what right do I have

[kimpossible]

Let's pick on me. And substitute 'white' with 'non-Asian ethnicity of choice' as needed so it applies to everyone. Also, though I use myself as an example, treat the subject as objective. I'm using myself as the test subject to avoid potential flame wars.

I'm only 25% Asian. Although I don't actually consider myself Asian or Asian-American, what right do I have to talk about AA issues as if they pertained to me? Mainly, I'm interested in generating conversation on two points.

The first is: would there ever be a single *correct* answer to this? If I claim the AA identity does that mean I'm embracing my multi-ethnic heritage and supporting the AA community? Or, is it more like courting poser-ness? If I ignore that part of me or deny it, would I be a sell out or whitewashed?

The second is: do mixed Asians have a role in the AA community overall? Will we have a larger role (numbers wise) as more Asians marry out? How could this affect the AA community? Whether you directly support the 'AA community' or not verbally, your presence here means you are participating even if it's online. You might even produce some more mixed Asians of your own breeding considering most of us like fobs.

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Will we have a larger role (numbers wise) as more Asians marry out?

I remeber hearing this idea bandied around a lot at Census '00 time. "If 50% of Japanese-Americans are outmarrying and all of their children identify as Asian-American, we may (end up expanding our definition of asian-american/get a big political boost and lots of $$$ from the government/have insane amounts of lovin' with hapa hotties)"

but in reality, hapas I meet seem to be preferring either:

1. just to blend in with white people, cuz it's easy and you're surrounded by them growing up
2. hang in a crowd of various ethnicities and talk a lot about how unique you are with all your heritages, cuz it's easy and you don't actually get held to any social standards relating to the heritages you claim, just make it up as you go
3. where numbers permit, go chill with each other (e.g. that EANation dating survey from last year ... damn near everyone wanted to meet more mixed people for dating and friendship)
4. those who retain an interest in their culture end up either getting FOBified, or getting rejected by AAs and heading for option 1 or 2

any one of those is infinitely easier than dealing with the Asian-American community. (except maybe 4, which is arguable, but 1 and 2 are definitely the path of least resistance.)

in my experience it's difficult to find hapas who want to play a role in the AA community. too much of a pain in the ass. and in reality we don't get to contribute. politically, always some AA gonna play the race card "oh you don't understand how this issue affects us because you haven't had the experience of being on the wrong end of Evil Whitey's Structure of Power" to keep us from thinking too independently. contributing to development of AA "culture" in terms of writings, performance art, music, etc., it gets judged as either too whitewashed or as an expression of FOB-wannabe-ism.

[YuheiCarreau]

Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Mar 5 2003, 12:09 AM
The first is: would there ever be a single *correct* answer to this? If I claim the AA identity does that mean I'm embracing my multi-ethnic heritage and supporting the AA community? Or, is it more like courting poser-ness? If I ignore that part of me or deny it, would I be a sell out or whitewashed?
I do not consider myself to be an Asian American, but because I am percieved to be one and because many of the problems affecting AAs affect me in much the same way, I participate in discussions about AA social and political issues and offer my opinions and perspectives. I have yet to become an activist for any cause, even my own, so I can't really comment on whether or not Hapas have a valid role in AA activism.


The second is: do mixed Asians have a role in the AA community overall? Will we have a larger role (numbers wise) as more Asians marry out? How could this affect the AA community? Whether you directly support the 'AA community' or not verbally, your presence here means you are participating even if it's online. You might even produce some more mixed Asians of your own breeding considering most of us like fobs.

It really depends on how you identify. Not to paint with broad strokes or anything, but AAs identify as Americans of Asian descent; some Hapas do as well, some identify as Whites/Blacks/etc. of partial Asian descent, some identify as biracial, some as Orion Slave Girls. If you think of yourself as Asian American then you have a role in the AA community; if not, you don't (although just as an FOB would participate in AA discussions even though he doesn't consider himself American, so too may a Hapa who doesn't consider himself AA).

But I've never gone for the FOBs. At the moment I'm all about the cute Hapa girl in my Japanese class... :D

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Mar 5 2003, 01:54 AM
(e.g. that EANation dating survey from last year ... damn near everyone wanted to meet more mixed people for dating and friendship)
well, that was conducted by EANation. considering that most people who read it probably have an easier time identifying as mixed instead of opting to just blend in, i think the results are not surprising.

anyway... please ignore me and continue with the discussion. i was just being a stats nerd. :P

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Mar 5 2003, 03:17 AM
well, that was conducted by EANation. considering that most people who read it probably have an easier time identifying as mixed instead of opting to just blend in, i think the results are not surprising.

anyway... please ignore me and continue with the discussion. i was just being a stats nerd. :P
yeah, but even then, white people ranked above east asians as preferred dating partners for both sexes.

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Mar 5 2003, 06:09 AM

The first is: would there ever be a single *correct* answer to this? If I claim the AA identity does that mean I'm embracing my multi-ethnic heritage and supporting the AA community? Or, is it more like courting poser-ness? If I ignore that part of me or deny it, would I be a sell out or whitewashed?

The second is: do mixed Asians have a role in the AA community overall? Will we have a larger role (numbers wise) as more Asians marry out? How could this affect the AA community? Whether you directly support the 'AA community' or not verbally, your presence here means you are participating even if it's online. You might even produce some more mixed Asians of your own breeding considering most of us like fobs.
First: No there will never be a correct answer. To some people, they will be negative to you no matter what you do, and others will readily accept you. There is no right answer, but also no wrong answer.

Second: We will have a larger role as more asians marry out.. only if immigration stops. At the instant where mixed AAs outnumber full blooded AAs, the power within the group will be passed to us. Lord knows that that would be a disaster for political organization, since it would be driven by these people who think they are SOOOO UNIQUE.. and very individualistic. And that there is no hapa community, nor will there ever be in my opinion. As of now tho, the only thing AAs get out of counting us as AAs is higher numbers. Many AAs were angry that the census in 2000 allowed us to put all of our ethnicities on the card because it takes away from their numbers. While at the same time, it does not help mixes at all. In my case, 1/2 tally to asians, 1/2 tally to whites. No tallys to 1/2white 1/2asians. my needs, nor my existence still not being adressed at all.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Mar 5 2003, 07:19 PM
Many AAs were angry that the census in 2000 allowed us to put all of our ethnicities on the card because it takes away from their numbers.
hah! that's so dumb.

[YuheiCarreau]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Mar 5 2003, 11:15 PM
hah! that's so dumb.
The NAACP didn't like the multiracial option for the same reason.

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Originally posted by YuheiCarreau@Mar 6 2003, 01:36 AM
The NAACP didn't like the multiracial option for the same reason.
I'm personally less offended by NAACP objecting to "check all that apply" than , because first, a lot of people who consider themselves black and have two parents who consider themselves black might nevertheless have checked off "white" as one of their races because they know there are white people somewhere back in their family try; and second, because by and large the black community doesn't exclude mixed-race blacks who act black and self-identify as black, to anywhere the same extent that the Asian-American community (represented by all the Asian-American organizations which complained) excludes hapas who act Asian and try to self-identify as Asian.

[VV o n g B a]

Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Mar 5 2003, 12:54 AM
any one of those is infinitely easier than dealing with the Asian-American community. (except maybe 4, which is arguable, but 1 and 2 are definitely the path of least resistance.)


i'm certainly not in a position to invalidate your experiences, but i will say that of the hapas i met at college, one was a militant asian american activist. the other never seemed to have problems hanging out with asian americans (me and the peeps in the asian association on campus). if fact, until she got a boyfriend, we used to hang out all the time.

[YuheiCarreau]

Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Mar 6 2003, 01:18 AM
I'm personally less offended by NAACP objecting to "check all that apply" than , because first, a lot of people who consider themselves black and have two parents who consider themselves black might nevertheless have checked off "white" as one of their races because they know there are white people somewhere back in their family tree
I honestly don't think that would have happened. I think most of the biracials who solely identify as Black would have simply marked 'Black' and not checked White. Also, it's not like the multiracial option makes it so less people (of any color) show up on the statistics.


and second, because by and large the black community doesn't exclude mixed-race blacks who act black and self-identify as black, to anywhere the same extent that the Asian-American community (represented by all the Asian-American organizations which complained) excludes hapas who act Asian and try to self-identify as Asian.
That has not been my experience, although I am not the most qualified judge of how members of either community treat one another.

[yoMAMA]

Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Mar 4 2003, 10:09 PM
Let's pick on me. And substitute 'white' with 'non-Asian ethnicity of choice' as needed so it applies to everyone. Also, though I use myself as an example, treat the subject as objective. I'm using myself as the test subject to avoid potential flame wars.

I'm only 25% Asian. Although I don't actually consider myself Asian or Asian-American, what right do I have to talk about AA issues as if they pertained to me? Mainly, I'm interested in generating conversation on two points.

The first is: would there ever be a single *correct* answer to this? If I claim the AA identity does that mean I'm embracing my multi-ethnic heritage and supporting the AA community? Or, is it more like courting poser-ness? If I ignore that part of me or deny it, would I be a sell out or whitewashed?

The second is: do mixed Asians have a role in the AA community overall? Will we have a larger role (numbers wise) as more Asians marry out? How could this affect the AA community? Whether you directly support the 'AA community' or not verbally, your presence here means you are participating even if it's online. You might even produce some more mixed Asians of your own breeding considering most of us like fobs.
I don't see why not.

I mean, there's no one on this planet who is 'pure'. We are all mixed with 'others' to some extent.


I suggest all different races fuck their way towards world harmony and peace. :D

[AliBabaIncorporated]

I mean, there's no one on this planet who is 'pure'. We are all mixed with 'others' to some extent.

well yeah, but most people still have two parents who identify as members of the same culture. so genes from some invaders 30 generations back have absolutely no effect on their identity or upbringing.

[chris_lewis108]

alot of people on other AA sites assume i automatically have no say as soon as they find out i am adopted, WTF?

i guess it's sort of the same thing, and as far as Hapa's go i find that most mixed asian/other people i know are very aware of aa issues even more so than some that think that they have a right just because they are 100% asian and have all asian parents, this is just like claiming white privalege to me

those people need education about issues just as much as anyone else, to disclude anyone because someone is only part asian (or adopted) is totally hypocritical to the cause in my eyes

[himura-dono]

Originally posted by yoMAMA@Mar 10 2003, 07:52 AM


I suggest all different races fuck their way towards world harmony and peace. :D
i know a lot of people who would be fine with this idea as long as the culture is retained. when me and Cindy were dead set on gettting married and suddenly she said she didn't wanna have kids, i was devastated. i told her i'll respect her decision, but i was curious as to why? she later told me because of how she feels about the opium war and the whole 8 powers ordeal. i was shocked that she would hold something like that against me based on my skin color. her major fear was that she was afraid that our kids wouldn't grow up knowing the culture and just adopting the amalgamated "white" culture. with time, she came to accept that i was gonna make damn sure that if we had kids that they would be speaking mandarin and learning more about chinese history and the culture before they are formally introduced to daddy's garbage culture. now she want's 3-4 (rofl).

but really, i was shocked at how strongly her worry of the chinese culture dying out, and feeling like a traitor for wanting to marry me was.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Originally posted by himura-dono@Mar 15 2003, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by yoMAMA@Mar 10 2003, 07:52 AM


I suggest all different races fuck their way towards world harmony and peace. :D
i know a lot of people who would be fine with this idea as long as the culture is retained. when me and Cindy were dead set on gettting married and suddenly she said she didn't wanna have kids, i was devastated. i told her i'll respect her decision, but i was curious as to why? she later told me because of how she feels about the opium war and the whole 8 powers ordeal. i was shocked that she would hold something like that against me based on my skin color. her major fear was that she was afraid that our kids wouldn't grow up knowing the culture and just adopting the amalgamated "white" culture. with time, she came to accept that i was gonna make damn sure that if we had kids that they would be speaking mandarin and learning more about chinese history and the culture before they are formally introduced to daddy's garbage culture. now she want's 3-4 (rofl).

but really, i was shocked at how strongly her worry of the chinese culture dying out, and feeling like a traitor for wanting to marry me was.
Also I think ultimately how much of a culture a child retains depends on his/her own upbringing and forces out of one's control. Even though parents force their kids to learn and practice the language doesn't necessarily mean that they will grow up embracing it and may instead reject it out of rebellion (i.e. me). In my case, I went back to learning Mandarin and Cantonese and poring into pages of Chinese history after I graduated from high school after years of pretty much wanting to look and act white.......and yea I admit it I latched onto the more superficial aspects and components of Chinese and perhaps other Asian cultures but thankfully it led to interest and submersal into issues that actually mattered, even though I still have a long way to go. Sometimes it's not always bad when you see people embracing pop stars and wearing shirts with weird ass Chinese characters on them, because you can't swim in great depths of the sea without first skimming and passing thru the surface.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by himura-dono@Mar 15 2003, 05:24 PM
Originally posted by yoMAMA@Mar 10 2003, 07:52 AM


I suggest all different races fuck their way towards world harmony and peace.  :D
i know a lot of people who would be fine with this idea as long as the culture is retained. when me and Cindy were dead set on gettting married and suddenly she said she didn't wanna have kids, i was devastated. i told her i'll respect her decision, but i was curious as to why? she later told me because of how she feels about the opium war and the whole 8 powers ordeal. i was shocked that she would hold something like that against me based on my skin color. her major fear was that she was afraid that our kids wouldn't grow up knowing the culture and just adopting the amalgamated "white" culture. with time, she came to accept that i was gonna make damn sure that if we had kids that they would be speaking mandarin and learning more about chinese history and the culture before they are formally introduced to daddy's garbage culture. now she want's 3-4 (rofl).

but really, i was shocked at how strongly her worry of the chinese culture dying out, and feeling like a traitor for wanting to marry me was.
raise your kids in taiwan! :)
(cindy is taiwanese right?)

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Mar 5 2003, 07:19 PM
Second: We will have a larger role as more asians marry out.. only if immigration stops. At the instant where mixed AAs outnumber full blooded AAs, the power within the group will be passed to us. Lord knows that that would be a disaster for political organization, since it would be driven by these people who think they are SOOOO UNIQUE.. and very individualistic. And that there is no hapa community, nor will there ever be in my opinion. As of now tho, the only thing AAs get out of counting us as AAs is higher numbers. Many AAs were angry that the census in 2000 allowed us to put all of our ethnicities on the card because it takes away from their numbers. While at the same time, it does not help mixes at all. In my case, 1/2 tally to asians, 1/2 tally to whites. No tallys to 1/2white 1/2asians. my needs, nor my existence still not being adressed at all.
actually right now, despite Congress mandating "check all that apply," the Census Bureaucracy has given in to Susan Graham (a white woman married to a black man, who thinks she knows what is best for kids of mixed race, she even had her son give this disgustingly coached testimony in front of the congress about why he wants to be "multiracial" instead of checking both "black" and "white"), Project RACE, and their idiotic idea that all people checking more than one race somehow form a "multiracial community" and should be lumped into a separate category. Hence, for example, on the latest Census report on marriage and unmarried couples living together, Korean-Latinos and blacks with a white grandmother were all lumped together into the "Two or More Races" category. Despite the fact that Congress explicitly rejected using a separate "multiracial" category on the census in favor of check-all-that-apply, and warned the Census bureau against lumping all multiracials into a single multi-racial category.

The big political disaster coming from a lot of outmarriage isn't only a lot of hapa kids who think they're so unique and multicultural, but their parents.

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by himura-dono@Mar 15 2003, 10:24 PM
Originally posted by yoMAMA@Mar 10 2003, 07:52 AM


I suggest all different races fuck their way towards world harmony and peace.  :D
i know a lot of people who would be fine with this idea as long as the culture is retained. when me and Cindy were dead set on gettting married and suddenly she said she didn't wanna have kids, i was devastated. i told her i'll respect her decision, but i was curious as to why? she later told me because of how she feels about the opium war and the whole 8 powers ordeal. i was shocked that she would hold something like that against me based on my skin color. her major fear was that she was afraid that our kids wouldn't grow up knowing the culture and just adopting the amalgamated "white" culture. with time, she came to accept that i was gonna make damn sure that if we had kids that they would be speaking mandarin and learning more about chinese history and the culture before they are formally introduced to daddy's garbage culture. now she want's 3-4 (rofl).

but really, i was shocked at how strongly her worry of the chinese culture dying out, and feeling like a traitor for wanting to marry me was.
Yo...

I suggest you don't get married to her. It seems to me like it is desined for doom already. Also it sounds like she is settling for you.

This is only based on how you described it tho.

But calling your culture "garbage culture" indicates that you have no self worth.

I don't want to sound mean, but I suggest you rethink everything.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Mar 16 2003, 03:25 AM
But calling your culture "garbage culture" indicates that you have no self worth.
Maybe he was joking..........but I dunno....it's one of the problems of online communication :confused:

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Mar 16 2003, 06:25 AM
But calling your culture "garbage culture" indicates that you have no self worth.
this seems to be the opinion of many white american people that i know. either that or they think that the US doesn't have any culture. i don't understand why that is. culture is just the way people live.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Similarities between cultures exist all the time without the existence of a combined cultural identity, I suppose

[deez nuts]

remember we all gotta fight for your right to paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarty!

[kimpossible]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Mar 16 2003, 02:19 AM

raise your kids in taiwan! :)
(cindy is taiwanese right?)
It doesn't always work the way you think. A lot of people will judge halfsie kids in Taiwan based on their looks, names and if their dad or mom is the Chinese one. Think patriarchal. If the kids have English names and lighter hair, they aren't really treated like Chinese children. My friend's kids are raised in Taiwan with white daddy and even though the kids are fluent in Mandarin and were primarily raised in Taiwan, they have English names and probably look more white than Chinese. They get the equivalent of Go Back to China! from the Taiwanese kids. In their case they're told Go Back to America!

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Mar 17 2003, 01:07 AM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Mar 16 2003, 02:19 AM

raise your kids in taiwan!  :)
(cindy is taiwanese right?)
It doesn't always work the way you think. A lot of people will judge halfsie kids in Taiwan based on their looks, names and if their dad or mom is the Chinese one. Think patriarchal. If the kids have English names and lighter hair, they aren't really treated like Chinese children. My friend's kids are raised in Taiwan with white daddy and even though the kids are fluent in Mandarin and were primarily raised in Taiwan, they have English names and probably look more white than Chinese. They get the equivalent of Go Back to China! from the Taiwanese kids. In their case they're told Go Back to America!
But the instant that one of those kids becomes a celebrity, suddenly he's CHINESE! And all chinese people will affirm that he is.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Mar 16 2003, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Mar 16 2003, 02:19 AM

raise your kids in taiwan!  :)
(cindy is taiwanese right?)
It doesn't always work the way you think. A lot of people will judge halfsie kids in Taiwan based on their looks, names and if their dad or mom is the Chinese one. Think patriarchal. If the kids have English names and lighter hair, they aren't really treated like Chinese children. My friend's kids are raised in Taiwan with white daddy and even though the kids are fluent in Mandarin and were primarily raised in Taiwan, they have English names and probably look more white than Chinese. They get the equivalent of Go Back to China! from the Taiwanese kids. In their case they're told Go Back to America!
oh of course. i was only suggesting he does that if he really wants to fill the kid(s) with chinese/taiwanese culture.

[deez nuts]

to answer HH's question. i say she has every right. i won't even hesitate to say that outside of speaking, reading and writing chinese better than me. she knows a hell of a lot more about chinese culture, news and history than i do. as well as asian culture in america as a whole.

she has a lot more to contribute to YW than say, yours truly.

i am actually in pursuit of celtic culture and being the next michael flatley :D

/dances for HH/

am i doing this right? just call me pork o'bun

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Mar 16 2003, 08:27 PM
Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Mar 17 2003, 01:07 AM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Mar 16 2003, 02:19 AM

raise your kids in taiwan! :)
(cindy is taiwanese right?)
It doesn't always work the way you think. A lot of people will judge halfsie kids in Taiwan based on their looks, names and if their dad or mom is the Chinese one. Think patriarchal. If the kids have English names and lighter hair, they aren't really treated like Chinese children. My friend's kids are raised in Taiwan with white daddy and even though the kids are fluent in Mandarin and were primarily raised in Taiwan, they have English names and probably look more white than Chinese. They get the equivalent of Go Back to China! from the Taiwanese kids. In their case they're told Go Back to America!
But the instant that one of those kids becomes a celebrity, suddenly he's CHINESE! And all chinese people will affirm that he is.
not really. there are plenty of mixed celebrities in HK that people aren't going to forget are mixed. a part of the reason is probably because they think that mixed people are good looking. in some cases it even works backwards. some people suspect that some very good looking celebrities are mixed because they're so good looking. case in point would be daniel wu, some people think he's mixed, but he's actually not mixed. in other words, it pays to publicised that you're mixed if you're a HK celebrity because people like that. i don't know how it is in japan or korea though.

[kimpossible]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Mar 16 2003, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by BeTheReds@Mar 16 2003, 08:27 PM

But the instant that one of those kids becomes a celebrity, suddenly he's CHINESE!  And all chinese people will affirm that he is.
not really. there are plenty of mixed celebrities in HK that people aren't going to forget are mixed. a part of the reason is probably because they think that mixed people are good looking. in some cases it even works backwards. some people suspect that some very good looking celebrities are mixed because they're so good looking. case in point would be daniel wu, some people think he's mixed, but he's actually not mixed. in other words, it pays to publicised that you're mixed if you're a HK celebrity because people like that.
Ooh. This is pretty interesting.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Mar 16 2003, 11:38 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Mar 16 2003, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by BeTheReds@Mar 16 2003, 08:27 PM

But the instant that one of those kids becomes a celebrity, suddenly he's CHINESE! And all chinese people will affirm that he is.
not really. there are plenty of mixed celebrities in HK that people aren't going to forget are mixed. a part of the reason is probably because they think that mixed people are good looking. in some cases it even works backwards. some people suspect that some very good looking celebrities are mixed because they're so good looking. case in point would be daniel wu, some people think he's mixed, but he's actually not mixed. in other words, it pays to publicised that you're mixed if you're a HK celebrity because people like that.
Ooh. This is pretty interesting.
well, i think local HKers have an inferiority complex when it comes to westerners or even HKers who have had a lot of western influence, like overseas chinese and mixed chinese. probably the same in mainland china. well, it's probably true that if you're an overseas chinese or a westerner in HK, you'd be earning more money than the average local HKer. but at the same time, media portrayal is so extremely stereotypical of westerners and overseas chinese. i swear, every overseas chinese character to ever appear on the big or small screen is either impossibly successful and/or snobby. it's kind of ridiculous because the overseas chinese character must always mix some english into his cantonese dialogue, even though in real life, most overseas chinese in HK would rather practice his cantonese as much as he has a chance to. and the worse is when the overseas chinese character's english is terrible (played obviously NOT by someone with fluent english), yet they insist on having the character do his english words. they like to portray overseas chinese as snobbish and must always show off their english.

[YuheiCarreau]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Mar 16 2003, 10:51 PM
(played obviously NOT by someone with fluent english)
:D This just might be the most unintentionally funny sentence ever.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by YuheiCarreau@Mar 17 2003, 01:53 AM
:D This just might be the most unintentionally funny sentence ever.
i don't get it... :confused:

[SunWuKong]

http://www.missosology.org/missw02hkgown.jpg

Victoria Jolly
she won 1st runner up (second place) at Miss Hong Kong 2002. she went on to represent Hong Kong at Miss World 2002. she is half British and half Chinese. there were also a couple of other mixed girls that made it as top 20 finalists. they're both acting/hosting for TVB (a TV channel in HK) now.

[kimpossible]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Mar 16 2003, 11:14 PM
i don't get it... :confused:
I don't either. But maybe you used foblish and I don't realize it because I'm used to it. Hey Yuhei, explain it for us slow kids in the class.

[himura-dono]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Mar 16 2003, 03:25 AM

Yo...

I suggest you don't get married to her. It seems to me like it is desined for doom already. Also it sounds like she is settling for you.

This is only based on how you described it tho.

But calling your culture "garbage culture" indicates that you have no self worth.

I don't want to sound mean, but I suggest you rethink everything.
this was back in the first 6 mo of our relationship. it's been 2 1/2 years of clear sailing afterward.

i know she isn't just settling with me because all the crap she's been through with me. i guess i shoulda mentioned at what point in our relationship that was. it does sound pretty bad, lol :lol: .

[YuheiCarreau]

Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Mar 17 2003, 08:39 AM
I don't either. But maybe you used foblish and I don't realize it because I'm used to it. Hey Yuhei, explain it for us slow kids in the class.
It's funny because he was criticizing Hong Kong actors portraying ABCs for having terrible English, but he wrote "played obviously NOT by someone with fluent english"... Which as far as I can tell was supposed to go something like "played by someone obviously NOT fluent in English".

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Mar 16 2003, 10:46 PM
not really. there are plenty of mixed celebrities in HK that people aren't going to forget are mixed. a part of the reason is probably because they think that mixed people are good looking.
the other reason being that a lot of them speak really bad to non-existent Cantonese.

[Faithless]

Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Mar 4 2003, 10:09 PM
The first is: would there ever be a single *correct* answer to this? If I claim the AA identity does that mean I'm embracing my multi-ethnic heritage and supporting the AA community? Or, is it more like courting poser-ness? If I ignore that part of me or deny it, would I be a sell out or whitewashed?

The second is: do mixed Asians have a role in the AA community overall? Will we have a larger role (numbers wise) as more Asians marry out? How could this affect the AA community? Whether you directly support the 'AA community' or not verbally, your presence here means you are participating even if it's online. You might even produce some more mixed Asians of your own breeding considering most of us like fobs.
I hope you resolved this in yourself by now. :rolleyes:

It was only after I went to college, did I learn of the term Asian American Experience. Lane Hirabayashi, an Asian American studies teacher as San Francisco State, who is hapa himself, found it important to ascert that the AA experience is far reaching. I have no reason to doubt it, and a lot of the Asians in the class felt that the hapa experience was definitely apart of the AA experience, even if it is only 25%.

[kimpossible]

Originally posted by ChottoMatte@Jun 8 2003, 09:19 PM
Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Mar 4 2003, 10:09 PM
The first is: would there ever be a single *correct* answer to this? If I claim the AA identity does that mean I'm embracing my multi-ethnic heritage and supporting the AA community? Or, is it more like courting poser-ness? If I ignore that part of me or deny it, would I be a sell out or whitewashed?

The second is: do mixed Asians have a role in the AA community overall? Will we have a larger role (numbers wise) as more Asians marry out? How could this affect the AA community? Whether you directly support the 'AA community' or not verbally, your presence here means you are participating even if it's online. You might even produce some more mixed Asians of your own breeding considering most of us like fobs.

I hope you resolved this in yourself by now. :rolleyes:


There isn't much to resolve. I try to use myself when I bring up a less favorable example or controversial topic to avoiding singling out or offending someone else.

Everything was resolved a few years ago. I'm a foreigner and everything Chinese is superior. Or so I'm told.

[Faithless]

Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Jun 9 2003, 08:32 AM
I'm a foreigner and everything Chinese is superior. Or so I'm told.
Pleeeeease! Why don't they make cars, then? :rolleyes:

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by ChottoMatte@Jun 10 2003, 02:25 AM
Pleeeeease! Why don't they make cars, then? :rolleyes:
They do.

They just don't sell them in the USA.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Mar 16 2003, 11:58 PM
http://www.missosology.org/missw02hkgown.jpg

Victoria Jolly
she won 1st runner up (second place) at Miss Hong Kong 2002. she went on to represent Hong Kong at Miss World 2002. she is half British and half Chinese. there were also a couple of other mixed girls that made it as top 20 finalists. they're both acting/hosting for TVB (a TV channel in HK) now.
damn is it just me or are them Chinese genes too damn dominant? Seriously, I look more British than her, :HH: :lol:

[Fireblade]

Originally posted by FrozenPizza@Jun 11 2003, 11:43 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Mar 16 2003, 11:58 PM
http://www.missosology.org/missw02hkgown.jpg

Victoria Jolly
she won 1st runner up (second place) at Miss Hong Kong 2002. she went on to represent Hong Kong at Miss World 2002. she is half British and half Chinese. there were also a couple of other mixed girls that made it as top 20 finalists. they're both acting/hosting for TVB (a TV channel in HK) now.
damn is it just me or are them Chinese genes too damn dominant? Seriously, I look more British than her, :HH: :lol:
Guess you need some of her dna to look more chinese... :lol:

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by Fireblade@Jun 14 2003, 08:41 PM
Originally posted by FrozenPizza@Jun 11 2003, 11:43 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Mar 16 2003, 11:58 PM
http://www.missosology.org/missw02hkgown.jpg

Victoria Jolly
she won 1st runner up (second place) at Miss Hong Kong 2002. she went on to represent Hong Kong at Miss World 2002. she is half British and half Chinese. there were also a couple of other mixed girls that made it as top 20 finalists. they're both acting/hosting for TVB (a TV channel in HK) now.
damn is it just me or are them Chinese genes too damn dominant? Seriously, I look more British than her, :HH: :lol:
Guess you need some of her dna to look more chinese... :lol:
i'd like to give her some of my dna.

[AngryABCGirl]

Wow she's pretty.

[Deadpool]

She's alright.
Is she latino? (J/K) :lol: