Bein' Poor Ain't Enough If You're Asian

[achtungbaby]

kasia writes:

Are Obstacles Created Equal?
By Daniel Golden

IRVINE, Calif. -- Stanley Park felt as if the University of California, Los Angeles, had revamped its admissions criteria just for him. UCLA was looking for students who had overcome "life challenges," such as family illness, being raised by a single parent or being the first in the family to go to college.

After Mr. Park's parents, Korean immigrants of modest means, divorced three years ago, he lived with his mother. When she developed breast cancer, he began tutoring children to help pay the rent. Despite his work commitment, he scored an impressive 1500 out of 1600 on his SAT college-admissions exam.

UCLA and the state university's other elite campus, Berkeley, both rejected Mr. Park.

(read more) (http://yellowworld.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=83)

[ChinaLama]

hey, whatever, if UCLA doesn't want a 1500 kid from a poor family, us East Coasters would be HAPPY to take him. If those number-crunching heartless West Coast upstarts don't think he's good enough, he can go to a REAL Ivy League school instead, and w/ need-based financial aid, he may even be able to pay for it. (my parents only paid like 3 to 5k my first yr in college).

It's a shame that a program is somehow twisted into BIASING against POOR Asians, one of the very groups hurt by the model minority myth that should be helped by a low-income outreach program.

[DaBestSpooner]

this is as rediculous as basketball players getting into colleges with 600 SAT scores.

[SunWuKong]

[quote:bc742b3533="DaBestSpooner"]this is as rediculous as basketball players getting into colleges with 600 SAT scores.[/quote:bc742b3533]


that's why schools should get rid of athletics based admission criteria and scholarships. is higher education about sports or education?

[achtungbaby]

[quote:108ea550c8="SunWuKung"]

that's why schools should get rid of athletics based admission criteria and scholarships. is higher education about sports or education?[/quote:108ea550c8]

Well to be fair to the jocks, athletic scholarships represent a very small minority and in no way are really indicative of a university's IQ.

[tapestrybabe]

[quote:ac3dd7891d="SunWuKung"][quote:ac3dd7891d="DaBestSpooner"]this is as rediculous as basketball players getting into colleges with 600 SAT scores.[/quote:ac3dd7891d]


that's why schools should get rid of athletics based admission criteria and scholarships. is higher education about sports or education?[/quote:ac3dd7891d]

i gotta about 600 on my SAT scores when i first took it. so yeah, i just did plain poorly. And i feel i got accepted into college thru recommendations thru my professors, my art portfolio, my extra curricular activities, my interview, etc.. And i got accepted as an E.O.F student.. a program ensuring higher education for ppl that come from backgrounds of economic and educational disadvantage. And my first semester in college.. as a full time student-- thru hard work and diligence.. i got straight A's..

So like, when it comes to my SAT scores.. i dont think its really a reflection of what i'm capable of doing... cuz i feel i have a lot more intelligence than what my SAT scores actually tell me...

[deez nuts]

[quote:219ac528ba="ChinaLama"]hey, whatever, if UCLA doesn't want a 1500 kid from a poor family, us East Coasters would be HAPPY to take him. If those number-crunching heartless West Coast upstarts don't think he's good enough, he can go to a REAL Ivy League school instead, and w/ need-based financial aid, he may even be able to pay for it. (my parents only paid like 3 to 5k my first yr in college).

It's a shame that a program is somehow twisted into BIASING against POOR Asians, one of the very groups hurt by the model minority myth that should be helped by a low-income outreach program.[/quote:219ac528ba]

I agree. It's bullshit what they did. Yah for the sake of diversity and maintaining the Asian quota, they turn down a perfectly qualified student, what a crock.

[DaBestSpooner]

Well to clarify I did not say SAT's were an accurate measure of one's intelligence. You had your grades, extra curricular activities as a display of your true potential to the colleges that you applied to. I knew a lot of kids who just played basketball, didnt goto school most of the time, flunked every class, couldnt do 7th grade level math, and cant even speak a sentence in proper english but they get a full four year scholarship to big name school. WTF is that?

[quote:89fd10d51a="Tapestrybabe"]
i gotta about 600 on my SAT scores when i first took it. so yeah, i just did plain poorly. And i feel i got accepted into college thru recommendations thru my professors, my art portfolio, my extra curricular activities, my interview, etc.. And i got accepted as an E.O.F student.. a program ensuring higher education for ppl that come from backgrounds of economic and educational disadvantage. And my first semester in college.. as a full time student-- thru hard work and diligence.. i got straight A's..

So like, when it comes to my SAT scores.. i dont think its really a reflection of what i'm capable of doing... cuz i feel i have a lot more intelligence than what my SAT scores actually tell me...[/quote:89fd10d51a]

[ChinaLama]

but the thing is, college is NEVER about academics or intelligence. That's a myth. Colleges don't really have any specific "criteria," so if one of them is being a great athlete and bringing the school fame for Division I, well, there's nothing wrong with it. Another (somewhat hidden) criterion is creating a dynasty and milking alumni for money, so legacies also are given a break when they get in. I don't think anyone can really complain that much about college admissions cuz there's no firm set of criteria that they're based on; to some extent it's just random.

[deez nuts]

I don't think we should hate on the ballers. They have a talent, if a school especially a Division I school is willing to give you a free ride, with the national exposure and the chance to go lottery and make some money in the pro's. I say go for it. Or even a free ride for an education based on your athletic abilities, I see nothing wrong with that.

I have more respect for those guys, than the ones whose rich mommy and daddy decided to buy their children's admission into a college or university.

[angelnympho]

[quote:713f759e58="ChinaLama"]but the thing is, college is NEVER about academics or intelligence. That's a myth. Colleges don't really have any specific "criteria," so if one of them is being a great athlete and bringing the school fame for Division I, well, there's nothing wrong with it. Another (somewhat hidden) criterion is creating a dynasty and milking alumni for money, so legacies also are given a break when they get in. I don't think anyone can really complain that much about college admissions cuz there's no firm set of criteria that they're based on; to some extent it's just random.[/quote:713f759e58]
Exactly. The politics of college acceptance is extremely fucked up. A lot of schools accepted people who spend their entire four years of high school copying off of me, but rejected me, even though my SAT scores were like 200 points higher. *Shrug* Shit happens, you can't really blame it on being poor or being Asian or being anything...

[DaBestSpooner]

thank god we're the number one candidates when it comes down accounting, it, finance jobs cus of the stereotypes

[SunWuKong]

[quote:9bf032fb70="DaBestSpooner"]thank god we're the number one candidates when it comes down accounting, it, finance jobs cus of the stereotypes[/quote:9bf032fb70]


but the down side of the model minority myth is that people have higher expectations out of you so when you don't meet those skewered expectations, they think you haven't accomplished enough.

[UVA04]

I actually thought asian men were discriminated against in finance jobs on wall st. Anyhow, I was dissapointed to see that the Wall Street Journal was not properly credited with the original article...

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