Mr2 whoopdey doo...

[karizma]

>> so anyways...since my brother is set on NOT getting me a fricken 240 even though ive tried as hard as i could to convince him that they rock...i opted to go for a second choice...an mr2...and this wasnt a bad idea to him and he's looking into one now...so my q to you car gurus out there is what are the best mods for an mr2...oh and wylin you mentioned an engine swap? i talked to another friend about it and he said youd have to use 91 octane and yada yada blah blah...is this just for a certain engine..errr wha? sorry i know nothing about toyotas =/...

[wylin]

[quote:4b30e4addc="karizma"]>> so anyways...since my brother is set on NOT getting me a fricken 240 even though ive tried as hard as i could to convince him that they rock...i opted to go for a second choice...an mr2...and this wasnt a bad idea to him and he's looking into one now...so my q to you car gurus out there is what are the best mods for an mr2...oh and wylin you mentioned an engine swap? i talked to another friend about it and he said youd have to use 91 octane and yada yada blah blah...is this just for a certain engine..errr wha? sorry i know nothing about toyotas =/...[/quote:4b30e4addc]

good car unsafe ask sy thats why hez ass backwards most of the time in a spin.

the motor depends if its a non turbo or turbo. and the condition of the engine...if the motors F-ed up i recomended a motor swap to a JDM 3SGTE motor from an 245hp stock Gen 3 or Gen 4 (traction control). the probklem w/ those is they i hear require JDM spec 104 RON octane which is more like our 93-94 octane but is still too high for california w/ our wack 91 octane...

best mods intially if its turbo, Boost controller, Blow off valve to prevent some compressor surge, and exhaust. The car responds well to a lil more boost and exhaust.

[jizza]

[quote:63a5a8b647="wylin"]
good car unsafe ask sy thats why hez ass backwards most of the time in a spin.[/quote:63a5a8b647]

lol, how tru this is. handles well up to a point, but when that ass slides out, oh dang, u betta be ready....

[wylin]

[quote:260e5cb50e="jizza"][quote:260e5cb50e="wylin"]
good car unsafe ask sy thats why hez ass backwards most of the time in a spin.[/quote:260e5cb50e]

lol, how tru this is. handles well up to a point, but when that ass slides out, oh dang, u betta be ready....[/quote:260e5cb50e]

91 models are the least forgiving, 92 a lil more forgiving, 93+ are the most forgiving...forgiveness for what u might as karizma? Snap Oversteer...ass flying back balls on the wall spin 360 degrees snap oversteer.

[mrazntre]

i've never spun out.

btw i'm not sure about cab protection on the 240, it's pretty unsafe from what i've seen, talk about death trap. my fren hit a center divider on the driver side and his car bent like a banana. talk about a death trap. his compartment crushed to shit. luckily the point of impact was a few inches rear of his seat, otherwise he woulda been toast. what a piece of shit broadside protection. you might wanna watch it when you drive across those intersections will.

you act as if the mr2 is the only car that will slide out on a sharp turn. take any car and push it beyond its limit and watch it spin. FR RR MR RR. it's called physics.

so will, if you spin.. you won't be ass backwards? you'll magically be frontward? you sound like ikpaki.

91 and 92 have identical suspension. the only difference is that a few 92's are equipped with LSD, which may aid in traction. the 93+ suspension was basically widened to prevent snap oversteer.

people can't really appreciate the handling characteristics of a mid-engined car until they're really driven it. most of the talk comes from second hand information. . . . basically bullshit more or less.

[wylin]

lol sy,

i have driven an mr2 and specifically a 91 mr2, the car handles well it doesnt really understeer intially into turns like a Front Engine RWD drive car, but then its easy to over cook for a novice driver. For sumone like karizma who has no driving experience (no drivers lisc) i think it would be a poor choice overall, she doesnt understand yet the dynamics of turning and taking a line in turns, she probably would just drive the mr2 like anyother new driver...trust it into turns like a FWD car hoping understeer will catch you, but since theres none she will be dealing w/ a spin situation. Why an FR car like mine or jizza's supra is better, is because it has some push before it breaks loose...she can tell the cars not turning and will slow down hopefully and exibit safe understeer.

I personally like how the mr2 handles because i like that do or die trailing throttle oversteer vs the push then swing oversteer that the 240 exibits, i prefer the lighter steering and more direct handling and the noise. Mr2 is an unforgiving MR car there are newer ones like the boxster and MR2-S that have more understeer dialed in, for safety...honestly is the mr2 a good car for a beginer?

=P

[jizza]

sw20 is definitely not the car for a throttle happy beginner. i love the agility and quickness, but the snap oversteer along with the snap back once corrected really scares the shiet out of me. two of my friends drive mr2's, one has a jspec turbo, re-built motor and a lsd, the other is running a small greddy upgraded turbo. both are quick cars in the straight line (low 13's), scary cars up in the mountains (angeles crest)..

with a good driver behind the wheel the mr2 can make an awesome track car, but for a newbie i'm not sure i'd recommend it.

as for the supra, oh man, u don't even want to know what thats like.. only way to take this car onto a track is to go with a very small single turbo with a very smooth/linear powerband, or have near perfect throttle control and a wide ass pair of tires (i'm talking 315/35/17). i swear to god, in sequential mode its almost impossible to keep the ass behind the front of the car anywhere above 4500rpm.

[karizma]

>> thanks you guys are a lotta help...youve also scared the shit outta me...thanks!! im gonna go put a down payment on that civic now ahhaha...but then again sy gave me a little hope =)...

[wylin]

see this is why u should get a 240sx instead of MR2 its more forgiving and has a back seat for you to romp in =X

[mrazntre]

karizma's only like 3 feet tall. she can romp anywhere.

let's start with the beginner's car theory.


what did you do with your first car?
i took mine to the parking lot to see what it could do. you test the limits of whatever car you're in. it's natural for people like us to do so. it definitely is a learning process, so normal people do so slowly.

the 93 suspension as been tamed a lot due to toyota's re-engineering, i've never taken a 93 turbo to the track but i have done some aggressive street driving in a 93 NA. it was pretty responsive around the turns and the ass stuck to the asphalt. this car is pretty much as point and shoot as u can figure for an mr2. of course when you do upgrade for more hp or even just buying a turbo, you risk breaking traction due to tire spin. which results in "uh oh."

i highly doubt that karizma would immediately take her new used car out and thrash it on the street. driver's need to respect the limits of their cars, and this is simply one of those situations. I know i have gotten careless on the street and frwy a few times and i've been real close to gettin bit in the ass, but after so many "o shits" you learn. you learn the feel of your car, you learn its' limits, and you know what to do.

if we're even talking about the topic of a car for a beginner, it shouldn't even be rear wheel drive anything. i would rather suggest an FF, like a civic, because it is more forgiving, plus you can drive in the snow (i dunno why you would want to).

just get a 4 door civic. you can hold 3 guys, it won't break loose in the rear, and you can move in and out throughout the whole car.

the rear of a 240 is only good for books and possibly a midget hoochie momma.

[karizma]

>> thats it....getting a geo metro.

>> the mr2 is okay if i drive sensibly right? which is what i plan on doing once i get the car...after i get used to it mebbe ill drive a little more agressively and move my way up...especially since you guys spooked me about crashing n burning. as for fixing it up...thats not til later down the line when i really know how to drive it...dont worry...i wont die...and hey if i crash it maybe i can get myself that 240 hah...

[ren28]

The MR2 is fine if you drive like a normal person. 93+ MR2's have revised suspension and it will not tend to have snap oversteer as much as the 91-92, which have the same suspension. 93+ also have a lot of other upgrades like the tranny and some have LSD (was optional). I believe the brakes are bigger on the 93+ also.

The key with this car is to not lift the throttle abruptly when going through a turn too quickly. That will cause the rear to snap around but the fun does not end there. It will snap back again in the other direction and that's where the fun really starts. Do your braking before the turn and there will be no problems. Driving like a normal person and making sure your tires are up to par are key if you don't want problems. This car can corner far better than many cars out there. It's ham-fisted driving that gets people into trouble.