if you rape a girl and nobody finds out...

[kasia]

you're with a girl. she's on some sort of drug that will ensure that she will not remember anything the next morning. she's all over you. if she were sober, though, you know that she probably would not consent to sex. if you have sex with her, there is no chance that anybody would find out - even her.

would you do it?

[applehead]

omg. i hope all the guys answer NO.
that's horrible.
and .. um. pretty pathetic.

[kasia]

no, no, no...i hope the guys give honest answers :P

edit: we actually had this discussion in one of my philosophy classes in undergrad. rape is only immoral because you're harming the victim, right? but if she doesn't find out - and if nobody else finds out - there's no physical or emotional harm. and according to the utilitarian theory, you may even be morally obligated to rape her - because that would create the greatest amount of happiness. you'll be a happier man after getting laid - and nobody would be hurt.

[nudel]

i read that its rape if the girl says no in the middle of intercourse. some guy got sent to jail because she changed her mind in the middle. what do you guys think about this one.

about a girl on drugs, hells no.

[applehead]

well...then...

[TyroneK(prettypretty)]

Rape is sex without consent of the woman. If the woman's too zonked out of her mind to form any kind of legitimate consent (e.g. near-unconsciousness) then it's rape as far as I'm concerned.

So... no.

[applehead]

Originally posted by nudel@Feb 6 2003, 02:25 PM
i read that its rape if the girl says no in the middle of intercourse. some guy got sent to jail because she changed her mind in the middle. what do you guys think about this one.

about a girl on drugs, hells no.
well. if she says no, why keep thrusting??
i mean really.

[SunWuKong]

tough call

[nudel]

legally, when a girl says no, you stop everything, zip up and thats that. i'm thinking now, your just about to cum and she says no, tough to just pull out.

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by kasia@Feb 6 2003, 05:17 PM
you're with a girl. she's on some sort of drug that will ensure that she will not remember anything the next morning. she's all over you. if she were sober, though, you know that she probably would not consent to sex. if you have sex with her, there is no chance that anybody would find out - even her.

would you do it?
Given that exact scnerio and I didn't give her the drug or drink and she's all over me. Hell yeah, I'll go in for the kill. So long as she didn't say "no" before or during the act of intercourse. Sober or not, she's all over me. I'm getting mine, that's the green light.

As a matter of fact, I'll make breakfast for her the next morning, so she'll know we did the nasty too. Given that exact scenerio, I got nuthing to hide.

[kasia]

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Feb 6 2003, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by kasia@Feb 6 2003, 05:17 PM
you're with a girl. she's on some sort of drug that will ensure that she will not remember anything the next morning. she's all over you. if she were sober, though, you know that she probably would not consent to sex. if you have sex with her, there is no chance that anybody would find out - even her.

would you do it?
Given that exact scnerio and I didn't give her the drug or drink and she's all over me. Hell yeah, I'll go in for the kill. So long as she didn't say "no" before or during the act of intercourse. Sober or not, she's all over me. I'm getting mine, that's the green light.

As a matter of fact, I'll make breakfast for her the next morning, so she'll know we did the nasty too. Given that exact scenerio, I got nuthing to hide.
what would you make for breakfast? just curious :huh: :)

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by kasia@Feb 6 2003, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Feb 6 2003, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by kasia@Feb 6 2003, 05:17 PM
you're with a girl. she's on some sort of drug that will ensure that she will not remember anything the next morning. she's all over you. if she were sober, though, you know that she probably would not consent to sex. if you have sex with her, there is no chance that anybody would find out - even her.

would you do it?
Given that exact scnerio and I didn't give her the drug or drink and she's all over me. Hell yeah, I'll go in for the kill. So long as she didn't say "no" before or during the act of intercourse. Sober or not, she's all over me. I'm getting mine, that's the green light.

As a matter of fact, I'll make breakfast for her the next morning, so she'll know we did the nasty too. Given that exact scenerio, I got nuthing to hide.
what would you make for breakfast? just curious :huh: :)
I would greet her with a big juicy smile and say: "hey baby doll, how do you like your eggs, do you want sausage or bacon on the side and will it be white or whole wheat." All while running my fingers through her hair.

[kasia]

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Feb 6 2003, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by kasia@Feb 6 2003, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Feb 6 2003, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by kasia@Feb 6 2003, 05:17 PM
you're with a girl. she's on some sort of drug that will ensure that she will not remember anything the next morning. she's all over you. if she were sober, though, you know that she probably would not consent to sex. if you have sex with her, there is no chance that anybody would find out - even her.

would you do it?
Given that exact scnerio and I didn't give her the drug or drink and she's all over me. Hell yeah, I'll go in for the kill. So long as she didn't say "no" before or during the act of intercourse. Sober or not, she's all over me. I'm getting mine, that's the green light.

As a matter of fact, I'll make breakfast for her the next morning, so she'll know we did the nasty too. Given that exact scenerio, I got nuthing to hide.
what would you make for breakfast? just curious :huh: :)
I would greet her with a big juicy smile and say: "hey baby doll, how do you like your eggs, do you want sausage or bacon on the side and will it be white or whole wheat." All while running my fingers through her hair.
and while you're frying the bacon, she calls the police on her cell phone. hahaha.

edit: would this be illegal? i'm thinking yes, especially if he knew she was on some sort of drugs - even if he didn't give them to her.

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by kasia@Feb 6 2003, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Feb 6 2003, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by kasia@Feb 6 2003, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Feb 6 2003, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by kasia@Feb 6 2003, 05:17 PM
you're with a girl. she's on some sort of drug that will ensure that she will not remember anything the next morning. she's all over you. if she were sober, though, you know that she probably would not consent to sex. if you have sex with her, there is no chance that anybody would find out - even her.

would you do it?
Given that exact scnerio and I didn't give her the drug or drink and she's all over me. Hell yeah, I'll go in for the kill. So long as she didn't say "no" before or during the act of intercourse. Sober or not, she's all over me. I'm getting mine, that's the green light.

As a matter of fact, I'll make breakfast for her the next morning, so she'll know we did the nasty too. Given that exact scenerio, I got nuthing to hide.
what would you make for breakfast? just curious :huh: :)
I would greet her with a big juicy smile and say: "hey baby doll, how do you like your eggs, do you want sausage or bacon on the side and will it be white or whole wheat." All while running my fingers through her hair.
and while you're frying the bacon, she calls the police on her cell phone. hahaha.

edit: would this be illegal? i'm thinking yes, especially if he knew she was on some sort of drugs - even if he didn't give them to her.
Damn. I knew I shouldn't have called her baby doll!

What if I was inebriated too? Come on two drunk and high people hooking up, it's not that uncommon from what I've seen. I've done it and my friends have done it.

And giving your scenerio, I'm thinking the blame should go both ways. Me for having sex with her and her for not keeping herself in check and being all over me, I mean come on surely the woman has to be accountable for her actions as well. Why in this case does the sole burden fall on the guy?

[applehead]

being all over a guy=invitation for a fuck?

[Shuriken]

If someone murders you and nobody finds out, are you still dead?

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by applehead@Feb 6 2003, 06:23 PM
being all over a guy=invitation for a fuck?
No, but definitely at least for some hot making out! If it goes that far, so be it.

If I have to be accountable to keep my pants on. Why doesn't the woman have to be held accountable for how she got herself into that state to begin with, all pending on the fact that if she did it volunatarily.

[applehead]

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Feb 6 2003, 03:26 PM


If I have to be accountable to keep my pants on.
yeah. steve.
here's your trophy!
thanks for keeping your pants on.

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by applehead@Feb 6 2003, 06:31 PM
Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Feb 6 2003, 03:26 PM


If I have to be accountable to keep my pants on.
yeah. steve.
here's your trophy!
thanks for keeping your pants on.
Well, then here's a cup. I have to give you a urine tox before we go any further. I have to make sure you're of sound mind and spirit. Lab results usually take 48 hrs at the fastest. Damn, talk about a mood killer.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by applehead@Feb 6 2003, 06:23 PM
being all over a guy=invitation for a fuck?
to me, that's a green light definitely. unless she specifically stops me.

[Adaon]

nah. I mean maybe it's cuz I haven't gone that far yet, but as of right now the answer's no. And it will stay no.

Like Shuriken posted.....

[bigwong235]

happened to me before. i don't have it in me to take advantage of another girl. i don't have a killer instinct, in all situations, not just this one.

[contra_diction]

um, i don't think it's rape, but i couldn't do it. no way.

[tvbdude]

if the girl is hot, sure I'll do it

[wylin]

Drugged woman/ drunk woman rape is a common occurance in asian (especially korean) clubbing culture, personally i know many guyz who'd "hit it" when shez down, if theres no consquences...and a girl being drunk or high gives them even more incentive cuz she is more vulnerable to their predation.

So if ur one of those men i recomend u hit it and quit it, and be off like a ninja because u cant get none any other way.

[amietron]

If she were that zonked, couldn't you tell her to say "yes" and use that as your defense? "She said YES!"

[teaz0r]

if you rape a girl and nobody finds out..., is it still rape?

yes.

[DragonKnight]

Originally posted by kasia@Feb 6 2003, 02:17 PM
you're with a girl. she's on some sort of drug that will ensure that she will not remember anything the next morning. she's all over you. if she were sober, though, you know that she probably would not consent to sex. if you have sex with her, there is no chance that anybody would find out - even her.

would you do it?
No, I would not do it.

-Rich

[BaiginLong]

red light for me still

[LoneSwordsman]

i wouldnt do it
but what i would do is call one of her girl friends to help take her home
then call the next day to see how she is

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Originally posted by DragonKnight@Feb 7 2003, 09:26 PM
Originally posted by kasia@Feb 6 2003, 02:17 PM
you're with a girl. she's on some sort of drug that will ensure that she will not remember anything the next morning. she's all over you. if she were sober, though, you know that she probably would not consent to sex. if you have sex with her, there is no chance that anybody would find out - even her.

would you do it?
No, I would not do it.

-Rich
Call me fucked up, but to me the best part about getting girls and having sex or any type of physical contact is not the sex itself but the feeling of being loved or wanted............... :ph34r: :blush: kinda weird how that works......for me, knowing that you are about to get sex or about to date some hot girl is better than actually being on that date or in bed because then you gotta worry about all sorts of types of shit and it's usually overrated beyond a sudden rush or high...If you are desperate for sex, there is always your hand. In the throes of ecstasy, you cannot tell the difference between a girl, guy, sheep, goat, or hand. But you can't masturbate yourself so that you feel the appreciation, admiration, and respect of the opposite sex (i.e. things you could never get by raping someone). Feeling like all girls adore you is a 24 hour orgasm. I wonder if any or many girls feel the same way vice versa.

So anyways if she was like wasted beyond repair I don't think there would be a point to having sex with her because I wouldn't be getting the feeling that she was willing to have sex with me.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Btw Rich didn't mean to quote your response...I just meant to quote Kasia's initial question at the beginning but I was too lazy to back up to the first page.

[mr. x]

Man, that is a f-ed up thought

not much more to say.

Actually, let me say this: In war, especially invasions, male soldiers would rape women right, and we're talking about the same men who in their own society, went about their daily life without doing anything wrong really. Now they're sanctioned murderers and rapists, with no stigma attatched. Hows that for a mind fucker

[Aznsixian]

Wouldn't even cross my mind to do that type of thing.

[VV o n g B a]

utilitarianism itself is a bad philosophy. it tramples on the rights of minorities for "the greater good." not that other philosophies don't have their downfalls, but utilitarianism is almost diametrically opposed to what civil rights is about.

[blkazngirl]

This topic is too close for comfort. Close it

[BaiginLong]

Originally posted by LoneSwordsman@Feb 8 2003, 06:55 AM
i wouldnt do it
but what i would do is call one of her girl friends to help take her home
then call the next day to see how she is
werd

[lethal]

Does the guy know she's on the drug?

Rape involves a state of mind that the guy knows what he's doing and knows that it is wrong. If he doesn't know the girl is high, then its not rape. If he does know or has reason to know or should know...or gave her the drug himself then it is rape.

Tell you this...if I'm a single guy at a bar or club and a cute girl is all over me hitting on me and I don't know that anything's wrong with her judgment, I'm not pushing her away. Given that, if I know she's high...I'm not touching that with a 10 foot stick.

Allegations of rape are a reputation killer for a guy. I'm not putting myself in a position where my personal reputation can be compromised to a wide audience.

[Fireblade]

No. No one should try to bring that upon a girl, even if you can get away with it. It's not right in my book. Let's put it this way, if you're a guy, and you're past out on the bed, would you want a stranger to mess with you in bed? Be it a guy or girl, we ALL don't want to be bothered when we're not concious, at least not in that way.

[LoneSwordsman]

Originally posted by BaiginLong@Feb 9 2003, 06:04 PM
Originally posted by LoneSwordsman@Feb 8 2003, 06:55 AM
i wouldnt do it
but what i would do is call one of her girl friends to help take her home
then call the next day to see how she is
werd
how come?
i believe this way i will get her attention by being the nice guy

[BaiginLong]

Originally posted by LoneSwordsman@Feb 9 2003, 06:29 AM
Originally posted by BaiginLong@Feb 9 2003, 06:04 PM
Originally posted by LoneSwordsman@Feb 8 2003, 06:55 AM
i wouldnt do it
but what i would do is call one of her girl friends to help take her home
then call the next day to see how she is
werd
how come?
i believe this way i will get her attention by being the nice guy
errr not the reason I'd do it but i guess it's a side-effect
whether or not that happens I'd still do it cause it's the right thing to do thank you very much

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by lethalweapon@Feb 9 2003, 02:09 AM


Allegations of rape are a reputation killer for a guy. I'm not putting myself in a position where my personal reputation can be compromised to a wide audience.
My friend in college was in a similiar scenerio. The girl was all over him at a party we were at, she was drunk or something. He refused her advances, he escorted her and her friends back to her apartment and came back to join us.

Next morning I hear rumors of him being a p00say or people were questioning his heterosexuality because people saw what happened at the party. Even the girls were criticizing him, I mean I can see criticism from the guys, but the girls?!?!?!

It's like a double edged sword. Sometimes you just can't win with a woman.

[Azn Retribution]

Utilitarianism is kind of bad because its a extreme..
Fanaticism is self defeating...
anything taken to the extreme is usually bad.

[jimbo]

Nope wouldn't do it, absolutely no way, I was offered it on a plate once by a girl who was really hot but she was underage, I had to say no.

[ellsworth81]

Originally posted by blkazngirl@Feb 8 2003, 05:51 PM
This topic is too close for comfort. Close it
I would have to agree in most circumstances...

But I don't necessarily have any sympathy for ppl who voluntarily take recreational drugs/alcohol and get involved in some shit because of it. And I'm not talking about just unwanted sex either.

Besides, this sounds like a "if a tree fell in the forest, and no was around to hear it, did it happen?" When you don't get consent from someone in the right frame of mind, that's definitely taking advantage. That goes for both men and women. And that don't fly.

However, if the person is all over another person, then you should be accountable for your actions. Yes, grabbing a guy's package or a gal's boob is definitely a sign of interest, and it's instinctual for ppl to assume that. Though it may not be an invitation for intercourse, you must agree that sort of behavior really confuses everyone and will elicit some kind of not-so-desirable response.

Sure, there are two decisions being made here, but that blame needs to be shared between the two, and not placed solely upon the shoulders of one.

Hope I don't get flamed :unsure:

[ellsworth81]

Originally posted by kasia@Feb 6 2003, 02:17 PM
you're with a girl. she's on some sort of drug that will ensure that she will not remember anything the next morning. she's all over you. if she were sober, though, you know that she probably would not consent to sex. if you have sex with her, there is no chance that anybody would find out - even her.

would you do it?
How come this question is not posed to the ladies? There's lots of women out there who may have interesting responses to the question. So .. I guess I am asking :ph34r:

[Commando_turned_MD]

Originally posted by kasia@Feb 6 2003, 02:21 PM
no, no, no...i hope the guys give honest answers :P

edit: we actually had this discussion in one of my philosophy classes in undergrad. rape is only immoral because you're harming the victim, right? but if she doesn't find out - and if nobody else finds out - there's no physical or emotional harm. and according to the utilitarian theory, you may even be morally obligated to rape her - because that would create the greatest amount of happiness. you'll be a happier man after getting laid - and nobody would be hurt.
You are right Kasia.......

I am obligated to banged her per the utilitarian theory.........
Would I do it.......................Oh yes.....
If she is all over me and will give it to her.......

[BeTheReds]

no here...

I like my sexual partners sober. Drunk ones are okay too if you have already had sex with them when they were sober.

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Feb 10 2003, 01:38 AM
no here...

I like my sexual partners sober. Drunk ones are okay too if you have already had sex with them when they were sober.
so what if the drug has left her completely conscious and responsive, but just prevents her long-term memory from holding on to memories of the night?

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Feb 9 2003, 11:00 PM
so what if the drug has left her completely conscious and responsive, but just prevents her long-term memory from holding on to memories of the night?
I still say 'no'...what's the fun of doin' a dead fish?

[Commando_turned_MD]

Originally posted by achtungbaby@Feb 10 2003, 12:41 AM
I still say 'no'...what's the fun of doin' a dead fish?
No back talk :lol:

[Adaon]

Originally posted by ellsworth81@Feb 9 2003, 10:32 AM
I would have to agree in most circumstances...

But I don't necessarily have any sympathy for ppl who voluntarily take recreational drugs/alcohol and get involved in some shit because of it. And I'm not talking about just unwanted sex either.

Besides, this sounds like a "if a tree fell in the forest, and no was around to hear it, did it happen?" When you don't get consent from someone in the right frame of mind, that's definitely taking advantage. That goes for both men and women. And that don't fly.

However, if the person is all over another person, then you should be accountable for your actions. Yes, grabbing a guy's package or a gal's boob is definitely a sign of interest, and it's instinctual for ppl to assume that. Though it may not be an invitation for intercourse, you must agree that sort of behavior really confuses everyone and will elicit some kind of not-so-desirable response.

Sure, there are two decisions being made here, but that blame needs to be shared between the two, and not placed solely upon the shoulders of one.

Hope I don't get flamed :unsure:
well said.

[pfc beansprout]

no....if she's sweatin me, i'll holla at her the following day/catch up on what i missed....and leave w/blue balls...heh, fuck it; i'm thinking-hoping, the girl will appreciate me not taking advantage of her and hook up at another time when both parties are willing...........

[Chris]

I wouldn't do it. Even if I was straight. Rape is still rape.

[22drunk]

you're with a girl. she's on some sort of drug that will ensure that she will not remember anything the next morning. she's all over you. if she were sober, though, you know that she probably would not consent to sex. if you have sex with her, there is no chance that anybody would find out - even her.

would you do it?

there are two entirely diff questions here. rape is rape no matter who knows or doesn't know. but the above quote is different. she clearly is not in her right mind to make decisions from drugs or alcohol, but maybe she gets her jollies that way. if there isn't forced entry or signs of struggle or violence, she wanted it. unless you're the one to drug her. if she ever says no, you should stop. it may be morally wrong to hit it, but i think it's fair game. it's also a gamble. but then again, a major bitch can make claims of a man raping her and she would probably win.

-drunk

[537]

Originally posted by kasia@Feb 6 2003, 02:17 PM
you're with a girl. she's on some sort of drug that will ensure that she will not remember anything the next morning. she's all over you. if she were sober, though, you know that she probably would not consent to sex. if you have sex with her, there is no chance that anybody would find out - even her.

would you do it?
Negative.

Drugs are bad, mmmmkay?

But on a side note....

If you were to tape all this to prove she was all over you.....would it still be rape? Discuss!

[angel nympho]

If a girl is that fucked up on some kind of drugs, she should be ready to take whatever comes with it. I mean, if you were a nice guy, you wouldn't do it. But if you're not a nice guy, it's still not on you. It's pretty much a lesson for her to learn: don't get all crazy on drugs unless you WANT what you're gonna GET.

[wylin]

Originally posted by Chris@Feb 11 2003, 12:21 AM
I wouldn't do it. Even if I was straight. Rape is still rape.
You dropped ur soap chris, better carry soap on a rope! attack from behind! :lol:

[Chris]

Originally posted by wylin@Feb 11 2003, 08:44 AM
You dropped ur soap chris, better carry soap on a rope! attack from behind! :lol:
oh god....that was bad wylin :huh:

[ChinaLama]

Originally posted by kasia@Feb 6 2003, 10:17 PM
you're with a girl. she's on some sort of drug that will ensure that she will not remember anything the next morning. she's all over you. if she were sober, though, you know that she probably would not consent to sex. if you have sex with her, there is no chance that anybody would find out - even her.

would you do it?
I think it depends on whether she knowingly took the drug or not. if she took the drug knowingly and on her own, w/ no duress, then she's responsible for whatever effects the drug has on her. And if one of them is a wild urge for sex, well...then i don't think i'd be raping her if i consented to her advances.

[Fireblade]

I agree with ChinaLama. If someone knows the effects of the drugs, then he or she must take responsibility for her actions. Her altered state of concious, and choice, is still her choice. But would I do it? I've never been in that position, so I can't honestly say I wouldn't do it. I really wouldn't know what to do.

And probably by that time, she would have found out that I was a loser and would have moved on to the next guy... :unsure:

[kangal]

there was a case we study in class where the scenario happened....and the court found the guy guilty of rape...the fact that she never said yes or no was enough to so that there was not consent....silence apparantly doesn't equate to assent...so at least legally speaking, if the girl wanted to, she could bust your ass pretty easily....

[kangal]

How could they have a case if nobody finds out?


i'm not a chick..so i wouldn't know...but...wouldn't you ...kind of notice or feel a bit different or etc?

[VV o n g B a]

Originally posted by tazadar@Feb 17 2003, 12:50 PM
How could they have a case if nobody finds out? :P
she gets pregnant and has a kid w/ your genes.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Originally posted by tazadar@Feb 17 2003, 11:09 AM
That defeats the premise of the question, "nobody finds out".
If you have kids, you should consider them as precious gifts. Shielding your gifts away from the rest of the world is like viewing a colorless rainbow, like a computer that doesn't turn on, a heart that does not beat, a chair with no legs, a tree with no trunk, etc.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Am I speaking in tongues here?? Probly......... :unsure:

[kangal]

That defeats the premise of the question, "nobody finds out".

gotcha....well in that case...i dunno....someone said itd be like a dead fish....i would think that it would be more of a turn off if there's no,..umm...audio....

[VV o n g B a]

Originally posted by kangal@Feb 17 2003, 07:03 PM
gotcha....well in that case...i dunno....someone said itd be  like a dead fish....i would think that it would be more of a turn off if there's no,..umm...audio....
in the heat of the moment, a hole is just a hole. if u close your eyes it doesn't really matter what it is. kinda sad to say, but .... :mellow:

[kangal]

in the heat of the moment, a hole is just a hole.


hmm.....no.....i want mine to be at least a chick....hows that...and conscience.....holes arent all the same...unless you got some weird fetishes :confused:

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by tazadar@Feb 11 2003, 04:57 PM
That's a cruel stance. "But if you're not a nice guy, it's still not on you." No, it's still on the guy [that rapes].

I am curious. Are you being a devil's advocate here?
No. Technically, if a girl is willing to have sex with you... regardless of whether or not her consent is only based on the fact that drugs are involved, she's consented.

[kangal]

No. Technically, if a girl is willing to have sex with you... regardless of whether or not her consent is only based on the fact that drugs are involved, she's consented.

that's my kinda girl :lol: :D

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by kangal@Feb 17 2003, 06:13 PM
there was a case we study in class where the scenario happened....and the court found the guy guilty of rape...the fact that she never said yes or no was enough to so that there was not consent....silence apparantly doesn't equate to assent...so at least legally speaking, if the girl wanted to, she could bust your ass pretty easily....
Shit, then I can get a whole shitload of guys busted. Apparently, I get this sort of freeze reaction when a guy does something I don't want him to do.

[mr. x]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Feb 17 2003, 05:54 PM
Shit, then I can get a whole shitload of guys busted. Apparently, I get this sort of freeze reaction when a guy does something I don't want him to do.
didya tell em to stop? you gots to tell em to stop of course. And if you wait too long to bust em then the lawyers will bring your character into question

[mr. x]

oh, and i think s'bout time we close this thing, cuz the original question is pretty wrong.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by mr. x@Feb 18 2003, 03:08 AM
didya tell em to stop? you gots to tell em to stop of course. And if you wait too long to bust em then the lawyers will bring your character into question
My personal experiences aside, I was just making a point that at least I recognize the difference between rape and something that's MY BAD.... Just because you do something stupid doesn't mean you can blame somebody else and ruin somebody else's life over it.

[Fireblade]

but it still happens doesn't it? ;)

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by Fireblade@Feb 18 2003, 11:23 PM
but it still happens doesn't it? ;)
Yeah cuz some girls are bitches who thrive off drama.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Feb 18 2003, 03:24 PM
Yeah cuz some girls are bitches who thrive off drama.
Really?? Where??! Where???? :D

[Erendani]

I agree with what FrozenPizza said a while back about feeling loved and admired, etc.

Except for that "guy, sheep, goat" bit :blink:

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Originally posted by Erendani@Feb 18 2003, 04:08 PM
I agree with what FrozenPizza said a while back about feeling loved and admired, etc.

Except for that "guy, sheep, goat" bit :blink:
Huh? I don't remember or know which post ur talking about. But in either case.....er.......I'll take credit for all the stuff that you agree with, and the stuff you don't agree with.....hmm I usually just say that I didn't mean what I wrote and give u ma disclaimer..... :unsure: :P :)

[FlareZz]

well i hope this hasn't been mentioned already, but i can see that if the girl is on drugs and she is "not herself"
isn't this analogous to the underage thing?

so if a 12 year old girl comes up to you and starts humping your leg, you can't go have sex with her!!
in a certain scenerio, responsibility falls on the person most able to take it.

besides, just cuz someone is all over you doesn't mean they want sex right? haven't you had experiences where the person you are with only wants to take it so far?
again this reminds me of how some girls dress really sexxy out to clubs and stuff, but that doesn't directly/only
imply oh i want everyguy in the room to come pick me up.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by FlareZz@Feb 27 2003, 10:02 AM


besides, just cuz someone is all over you doesn't mean they want sex right? haven't you had experiences where the person you are with only wants to take it so far?
again this reminds me of how some girls dress really sexxy out to clubs and stuff, but that doesn't directly/only
imply oh i want everyguy in the room to come pick me up.
True... but if the girl never says "stop," why should you even think she wants to stop? If she was the one who started getting all up on you...

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Feb 27 2003, 12:43 PM
Originally posted by FlareZz@Feb 27 2003, 10:02 AM


besides, just cuz someone is all over you doesn't mean they want sex right? haven't you had experiences where the person you are with only wants to take it so far?
again this reminds me of how some girls dress really sexxy out to clubs and stuff, but that doesn't directly/only
imply oh i want everyguy in the room to come pick me up.
True... but if the girl never says "stop," why should you even think she wants to stop? If she was the one who started getting all up on you...
yeah really. if the girl doesn't tell me to stop, i ain't stopping!

[FlareZz]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Feb 27 2003, 10:12 AM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Feb 27 2003, 12:43 PM
Originally posted by FlareZz@Feb 27 2003, 10:02 AM


besides, just cuz someone is all over you doesn't mean they want sex right? haven't you had experiences where the person you are with only wants to take it so far?
again this reminds me of how some girls dress really sexxy out to clubs and stuff, but that doesn't directly/only
imply oh i want everyguy in the room to come pick me up.
True... but if the girl never says "stop," why should you even think she wants to stop? If she was the one who started getting all up on you...
yeah really. if the girl doesn't tell me to stop, i ain't stopping!
but that goes back to the question of if she is not capable of taking responsibility for her actions, then if she doesn't stop, you still have to.
again like if a 12 year old doesn't stop, you still have to

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Maybe we should carry around consent contracts that are recognizable by virtually everyone in the country...and if the girl signs it then it's good to go. Ideally this piece of paper would be so distinguishable that even the most wasted girl could realize what she was getting into..... :unsure: :blush: :lol:

[VV o n g B a]

Originally posted by FlareZz@Feb 27 2003, 04:24 PM

but that goes back to the question of if she is not capable of taking responsibility for her actions, then if she doesn't stop, you still have to.
again like if a 12 year old doesn't stop, you still have to
hmmm.. wongba imagines a 12 yr old humping leg trying to seduce someone...

hahaahah

[FlareZz]

Originally posted by VV o n g B a@Feb 27 2003, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by FlareZz@Feb 27 2003, 04:24 PM

but that goes back to the question of if she is not capable of taking responsibility for her actions, then if she doesn't stop, you still have to.
again like if a 12 year old doesn't stop, you still have to
hmmm.. wongba imagines a 12 yr old humping leg trying to seduce someone...

hahaahah
you dirty dirty man... :lol: :lol:

[mr. x]

s'bout time we close this thing before someone gets ideas

[ChinaLama]

ehhh let it run. no one's doing damage. what say my fellow men mods?

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by FlareZz@Feb 27 2003, 10:24 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Feb 27 2003, 10:12 AM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Feb 27 2003, 12:43 PM
Originally posted by FlareZz@Feb 27 2003, 10:02 AM


besides, just cuz someone is all over you doesn't mean they want sex right? haven't you had experiences where the person you are with only wants to take it so far?
again this reminds me of how some girls dress really sexxy out to clubs and stuff, but that doesn't directly/only
imply oh i want everyguy in the room to come pick me up.
True... but if the girl never says "stop," why should you even think she wants to stop? If she was the one who started getting all up on you...
yeah really. if the girl doesn't tell me to stop, i ain't stopping!
but that goes back to the question of if she is not capable of taking responsibility for her actions, then if she doesn't stop, you still have to.
again like if a 12 year old doesn't stop, you still have to
Being under the influence of drugs and being underage are in no way equivalent. =T

[FlareZz]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Feb 28 2003, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by FlareZz@Feb 27 2003, 10:24 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Feb 27 2003, 10:12 AM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Feb 27 2003, 12:43 PM
Originally posted by FlareZz@Feb 27 2003, 10:02 AM


besides, just cuz someone is all over you doesn't mean they want sex right? haven't you had experiences where the person you are with only wants to take it so far?
again this reminds me of how some girls dress really sexxy out to clubs and stuff, but that doesn't directly/only
imply oh i want everyguy in the room to come pick me up.
True... but if the girl never says "stop," why should you even think she wants to stop? If she was the one who started getting all up on you...
yeah really. if the girl doesn't tell me to stop, i ain't stopping!
but that goes back to the question of if she is not capable of taking responsibility for her actions, then if she doesn't stop, you still have to.
again like if a 12 year old doesn't stop, you still have to
Being under the influence of drugs and being underage are in no way equivalent. =T
i wouldn't say they are EXACTLY equivalent, for instance the person under the influence had a choice whether she wanted to take the drug or not in the first place, or maybe she was forced, which is a very important question to ask by the way.

If she WAS forced to take the drug or was tricked into it, then it shares alot of similarities with the underage thing

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by FlareZz@Mar 1 2003, 07:38 AM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Feb 28 2003, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by FlareZz@Feb 27 2003, 10:24 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Feb 27 2003, 10:12 AM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Feb 27 2003, 12:43 PM
Originally posted by FlareZz@Feb 27 2003, 10:02 AM


besides, just cuz someone is all over you doesn't mean they want sex right? haven't you had experiences where the person you are with only wants to take it so far?
again this reminds me of how some girls dress really sexxy out to clubs and stuff, but that doesn't directly/only
imply oh i want everyguy in the room to come pick me up.
True... but if the girl never says "stop," why should you even think she wants to stop? If she was the one who started getting all up on you...
yeah really. if the girl doesn't tell me to stop, i ain't stopping!
but that goes back to the question of if she is not capable of taking responsibility for her actions, then if she doesn't stop, you still have to.
again like if a 12 year old doesn't stop, you still have to
Being under the influence of drugs and being underage are in no way equivalent. =T
i wouldn't say they are EXACTLY equivalent, for instance the person under the influence had a choice whether she wanted to take the drug or not in the first place, or maybe she was forced, which is a very important question to ask by the way.

If she WAS forced to take the drug or was tricked into it, then it shares alot of similarities with the underage thing
Yeah, but that's a lot different from the situation that was initially presented. ..That's like, a whole different genre.

[Faithless]

you're with a girl. she's on some sort of drug that will ensure that she will not remember anything the next morning. she's all over you. if she were sober, though, you know that she probably would not consent to sex. if you have sex with her, there is no chance that anybody would find out - even her.

would you do it?
I read the responses to this, but I think they were responses to something no completely phrased it right.

The drug you talk about, it only causes you to lose your memory? But you're saying it doesn't cause you to lose you judgement?

The "she's all over you" thing. How can you assume that if she's all over you, she's not going to consent to sex?

And when you say, "if you have sex with her..." are really talking about non-consensual sex?

[Icepak]

No, I wouldn't do it because knowing that rape is wrong (this is rape), I would still have to live with it. Anyone who can live with himself knowing that this is wrong and still does it is really screwed in the head.

[Mr.Lum]

you're with a girl. she's on some sort of drug that will ensure that she will not remember anything the next morning. she's all over you. if she were sober, though, you know that she probably would not consent to sex. if you have sex with her, there is no chance that anybody would find out - even her.

would you do it?

no. 1) shes fucked up and 2) thats wrong. you dont have sex with comatose girls. same thing. GRIMEY.

[PropellerheadCP]

One major thing wasn't discussed... and that if it's really that easy to spot a girl who's high on drugs and/or alcohol.

In my opinion, it is REALLY easy to spot someone who's been having a little fun with brain cell killing narcotics. Maybe it's me, but I believe that most guys know.

I mean, I've heard of this happening once, but when 2 people get drunk, it's not really that easy to do it. The woman's unconscious and hey... come on, guys... when you're too drunk to be aware, it's hard to get your member to swell up (assuming you aren't in the hospital due to alcohol poisoning).

So... when the girl's high, you're raping her. When 2 (or more) get together, it's never "Oh my god! I didn't mean it! I wasn't myself!" I think that's a lot of BS.

[Mr.Lum]

I know a girl who got gang raped by a bunch of dudes. shes a freshmen and they were all like seniors. her brother and a bunch of his friends got to gether and beath they ass.

[PropellerheadCP]

I know a girl who got gang raped by a bunch of dudes. shes a freshmen and they were all like seniors. her brother and a bunch of his friends got to gether and beath they ass.

What's about the police? These animals need to be in jail.

[Mr.Lum]

the kids were all on the football team. and the school would not do anything. she had class with two of them and the switched them so she wouldnt have to see them. she told her dad recently (this happened in like october) and he went to the cops. turns out, kids pop is the pig thats suposed to investigate. they do nothing. so lst week, it was like those 6 football guys and 7 or 8 Cambodian and Guamian guys in the bowling alley.

[Green_Circle]

True... but if the girl never says "stop," why should you even think she wants to stop? If she was the one who started getting all up on you...

I totally agree, Angel. :wink:

i love how your serious answer is juxtaposed against your boob-ilicious avatar.

love,
prof. frink

Nice pic. Is that you?

[John0101]

I could rape a girl and get away with it I would also kill her...

[lethal]

the kids were all on the football team. and the school would not do anything. she had class with two of them and the switched them so she wouldnt have to see them. she told her dad recently (this happened in like october) and he went to the cops. turns out, kids pop is the pig thats suposed to investigate. they do nothing. so lst week, it was like those 6 football guys and 7 or 8 Cambodian and Guamian guys in the bowling alley.

Careful...if the dude's dad is on the force, he could be going after his son's attackers. Of course, if he doesm then the rape allegations will come out.

I'd sue the city bro. Negligent police force. Put a real scare into em.

[kboy75]

i wouldn't want to have sex with someone who doesn't want to have sex with me. to be mutually wanted is part of the whole sexual turn-on and arousal... and the whole enjoyment.

[achtungbaby]

i wouldn't want to have sex with someone who doesn't want to have sex with me. to be mutually wanted is part of the whole sexual turn-on and arousal... and the whole enjoyment.

Stop stealing my lines! :biggrin:

[Faithless]

I could rape a girl and get away with it I would also kill her...
:frown:
Whoa, dude, that sounds eerie.

[rice cracker]

I could rape a girl and get away with it I would also kill her...

Just like hearing a rattlesnake's rattle.

[Green_Circle]

please don't rape me.


j/k.


love,
prof. frink


Professor, I wouldn't dream of it. ::stroking whiskaz:: :wink:

[John0101]

:frown:
Whoa, dude, that sounds eerie.

Just like hearing a rattlesnake's rattle.

yes I know, I am very special :wink:

[hooligan]

hell no.

[PropellerheadCP]

the kids were all on the football team. and the school would not do anything. she had class with two of them and the switched them so she wouldnt have to see them. she told her dad recently (this happened in like october) and he went to the cops. turns out, kids pop is the pig thats suposed to investigate. they do nothing. so lst week, it was like those 6 football guys and 7 or 8 Cambodian and Guamian guys in the bowling alley.

Yo, that's just frightening. I thought you can get other people to investigate it, since the kid's dad is on the case and there is a conflict, there.

Man. That's just scary.

[Emperor_Mike]

No. In my eyes that would morally reprehensible. Taking advantage of a girl in such a manner is simply too much and would constitute a gross violation of her rights. For an act so personal as sex to take place it is my firm belief that there *must* be consent and any less would not suffice.

[Faithless]

But is that too say that none of the guys have had sex while both of you were drunk?

And is someone saying, "whoa you might want to rethink that?"

[Green_Circle]

please don't rape me.


j/k.


love,
prof. frink

Professor, I don't believe in breast enhancement but in this case, I urge you!


:eek: But that chest wasn't you, eh?

[mr. x]

i love how your serious answer is juxtaposed against your boob-ilicious avatar.

love,
prof. frink

and i like how your feminine sexiness is juxtaposed with a nasty white dude's body

if thats your boyfriend im sorry

who the hell am i kidding, frink i may be fat and have red lines on my body but at least i dont have hair on my chest :biggrin: come to me

[John0101]

I know a girl who got gang raped by a bunch of dudes. shes a freshmen and they were all like seniors. her brother and a bunch of his friends got to gether and beath they ass.

thats pretty fucked up, if the cops don't do anything about it then I think they should have the right to take justice in their own hands.

[yoMAMA]

there's no way i can live with myself if i do something like that....

part of the trill of sex is the knowledge that the opposite sex regards you high enough that they are willing to have the most intimate contact with yourself....and that's not something that can be acomplished by rape.

[mrazntre]

I'd much rather have a nice big fat roast beef sandwhich instead.

[Irezumi Kiss]

I'd much rather have a nice big fat roast beef sandwhich instead.

When you say "have," you mean you'd rather have sex with that nice, big, fat roast beef sandwich?

And if you have sex with that sex with that nice, big, fat roast beef sandwich without it's consent, isn't that rape also?

:tongue:

[mrazntre]

When you say "have," you mean you'd rather have sex with that nice, big, fat roast beef sandwich?

And if you have sex with that sex with that nice, big, fat roast beef sandwich without it's consent, isn't that rape also?

:tongue:

but nobody will hear it scream....

[yoMAMA]

When you say "have," you mean you'd rather have sex with that nice, big, fat roast beef sandwich?

And if you have sex with that sex with that nice, big, fat roast beef sandwich without it's consent, isn't that rape also?

:tongue:

raping sandwhiches in this country is legal....


:wink:

[mrazntre]

just as long as i have a lot of mustard and mayonaise. it's all good baby.

[Irezumi Kiss]

just as long as i have a lot of mustard and mayonaise. it's all good baby.
The mustard might sting if it gets inside your dick.

Try olive oil instead.

Don't ask me how I know this. Just trust me.

:biggrin:

[kasia]

k, let's get back on the topic now. would you guys commit the act...or not?

[hooligan]

k, let's get back on the topic now. would you guys commit the act...or not?

would you?

[kasia]

would you?

ben. i'm not interested in girls.

but would i do it with a guy if i knew he wouldn't have otherwise wanted to but 1) he wanted to because of the drug and 2) there is no way that he or anyone else would know about the incident?

no. because that would be rape in my book.

edit: wait a second. are you asking me b/c you know i think you're a little girl?

[hooligan]

ben. i'm not interested in girls.

but would i do it with a guy if i knew he wouldn't have otherwise wanted to but 1) he wanted to because of the drug and 2) there is no way that he or anyone else would know about the incident?

no. because that would be rape in my book.

edit: wait a second. are you asking me b/c you know i think you're a little girl?

haha, a woman can still rape a woman i think. it doesn't matter if you're into girls or not. would you, given the circumstances, rape a girl if you could get away with it?

i love being a girl. <3

[Irezumi Kiss]

k, let's get back on the topic now. would you guys commit the act...or not?
Yes ma'am.

I went to reread the question to make sure I had it pegged right...

you're with a girl. she's on some sort of drug that will ensure that she will not remember anything the next morning. she's all over you. if she were sober, though, you know that she probably would not consent to sex. if you have sex with her, there is no chance that anybody would find out - even her.

would you do it?
No.

My character doesn't work that way.

Even though it's tempting to fantasize, but I'd feel like shit if I did that...

I MIGHT cop a titty feel, though...

:wink:

[Chester]

I MIGHT cop a titty feel, though...
I'd maybe fill up her hand with shaving cream and then tickle her ear.

[Fireblade]

Nope. Too many conflicts with my morality for that to happen. I'd take pictures though. Kinda like when Jigglypuff from Pokemon draws on people's faces when they're asleep? Yea... I'd do that and then take pictures.

[mrazntre]

I wouldn't commit the act because that's just plain wrong *munches on sangwhich*

[Irezumi Kiss]

Nope. Too many conflicts with my morality for that to happen. I'd take pictures though. Kinda like when Jigglypuff from Pokemon draws on people's faces when they're asleep? Yea... I'd do that and then take pictures.
I admit to taking pictures. You just can't let that slide.

Especially when they're drooling and the drool gets on their boob. Looks like they're prematurely lactating.

okay, back to topic! sorry!

[mr. x]

gosh kasia, do u really have so little faith in the men of yw? i honestly dont think one male member here (save the asiaphile trolls) would do it.

[yangbahn50]

you're with a girl. she's on some sort of drug that will ensure that she will not remember anything the next morning. she's all over you. if she were sober, though, you know that she probably would not consent to sex. if you have sex with her, there is no chance that anybody would find out - even her.

would you do it?


Well, if she becomes pregnant, she will know that somebody impregnated her because as far as the female victim is concerned, she does not consent to sex.

If she has a boyfriend, the police or law enforcement officials will zero in on him. They will compare the semen's DNA with the boyfriend's DNA.
If the DNA sample from the boyfriend match the semen's DNA, then the girlfriend-victim can sue the boyfriend and his family to help her raise the child.

If she decides to go through an abortion procedure, and ends up having health problems (i.e. internal bleeding) due to an abortion, the boyfriend will also be liable.

So the bottomline is guys should think twice before raping a girl.

Even if he wears a condom, won't the girl find out later?

[lethal]

Alright...this thread's been open a full year now. I'm going to close it soon, so if anyone has further *on-topic* thoughts, please post them now.