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achtungbaby
07-05-2002, 12:46 AM
By ERIC SCHMITT
New York Times

WASHINGTON, July 4 — An American military planning document calls for air, land and sea-based forces to attack Iraq from three directions — the north, south and west — in a campaign to topple President Saddam Hussein, according to a person familiar with the document.

The document envisions tens of thousands of marines and soldiers probably invading from Kuwait. Hundreds of warplanes based in as many as eight countries, possibly including Turkey and Qatar, would unleash a huge air assault against thousands of targets, including airfields, roadways and fiber-optics communications sites.

Special operations forces or covert C.I.A. operatives would strike at depots or laboratories storing or manufacturing Iraq's suspected weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to launch them.

None of the countries identified in the document as possible staging areas have been formally consulted about playing such a role, officials said, underscoring the preliminary nature of the planning. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld visited American bases in Kuwait and Qatar and the Fifth Fleet in Bahrain on his most recent trip to the Persian Gulf region in June.

The existence of the document that outlined significant aspects of a "concept" for a war against Iraq as it stood about two months ago indicates an advanced state of planning in the military even though President Bush continues to state in public and to his allies that he has no fine-grain war plan on his desk for the invasion of Iraq.

Yet the concept for such a plan is now highly evolved and is apparently working its way through military channels. Once a consensus is reached on the concept, the steps toward assembling a final war plan and, most importantly, the element of timing for ground deployments and commencement of an air war, represent the final sequencing that Mr. Bush will have to decide.

Mr. Bush has received at least two briefings from Gen. Tommy R. Franks, the head of the Central Command, on the broad outlines, or "concept of operations," for a possible attack against Iraq. The most recent briefing was on June 19, according to the White House.

"Right now, we're at the stage of conceptual thinking and brainstorming," a senior defense official said. "We're pretty far along."

The highly classified document, entitled "CentCom Courses of Action," was prepared by planners at the Central Command in Tampa, Fla., according to the person familiar with the document.

Officials say it has already undergone revisions, but is a snapshot of an important, but preliminary stage, in a comprehensive process that translates broad ideas into the detailed, step-by-step blueprint for combat operations that the Pentagon defines as a "war plan."

Still, the document, compiled in a long set of briefing slides, offers a rare glimpse into the inner sanctum of the war planners assigned to think about options for defeating Iraq.

"It is the responsibility of the Department of Defense to develop contingency plans and, from time to time, to update them," Victoria Clarke, the Pentagon spokeswoman, said today. "In fact, we have recently issued new general planning guidance, and that generates activity at the staff level."

Officials said neither Mr. Rumsfeld, nor the Joint Chiefs of Staff or General Franks had been briefed on this specific document as yet.

The source familiar with the document described its contents to The New York Times on the condition of anonymity, expressing frustration that the planning reflected at least in this set of briefing slides was insufficiently creative, and failed to incorporate fully the advances in tactics and technology that the military has made since the Persian Gulf war in 1991.

Administration officials say they are still weighing options other than war to dislodge Mr. Hussein. But most military and administration officials believe that a coup in Iraq would be unlikely to succeed, and that a proxy battle using local forces would not be enough to drive the Iraqi leader from power.

Nothing in the Central Command document or in interviews with senior military officials suggests that an attack on Iraq is imminent.

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DaBestSpooner
07-05-2002, 06:59 AM
better tell everyone you're canadian for the next 20 years, thanks bush.

ImrkevinpakI
07-05-2002, 07:29 AM
I don't think bush should do this. or unless he wants terror attacks against the US in the next 30 years, hes asking for it.

DaBestSpooner
07-05-2002, 07:38 AM
well bush has to keep doing stuff like this to keep his popularity up among the "majority of the country aka flyovers" up. Has anyone questioned his motives for military action? Looking at his background it goes beyond peacekeeping. Look at his ties to mediamilitarydefense technologyoil business. Its all about $$$$$$

[quote:4764ee766f="ImrkevinpakI"]I don't think bush should do this. or unless he wants terror attacks against the US in the next 30 years, hes asking for it.[/quote:4764ee766f]

deez nuts
07-05-2002, 07:45 AM
I'm kinda ambivalent about this one, to be honest. I really, really don't want to experience what I went through on 9/11. My brother also, since he worked in the World Trade Center and was walking up from Chambers Street to see the second tower collapse. He saw people jump from the top floors. I don't want to experience the sheer chaos, anxiety, sadness, fear and anger I felt working for 5 days straight at the hospital and volunteering to go down to St. Vincents to lend a hand. That week at ground zero will forever be etched in my mind. Honestly, that was the first time I cried since I was a kid.

But, on the other hand I feel something needs to be done. But it seems that whatever we decide to do, it only comes back and hits us in the face.

achtungbaby
07-05-2002, 08:12 AM
I personally don't think the U.S. is extremely that hard-up at the prospect of invading Iraq, which is probably why we're even hearing about such a document in the first place, and why the President has been pretty vague on the particulars of U.S. intent (course it could be that he just didn't understand the question).

And contrary to popular perception, while the President is certainly pro-military and probably enjoys the notion of swinging the U.S. military-schlong on the international stage, I think the near-month that the Administration took to try and throughly investigate the 9/11 attack before invading Iraq is an indication (I know, I'm being optimistic) that they're not total morons, that they won't just jump into a fight at the first provocation, despite their heavy-handed talk. I doubt they'll be firing rockets at chemical labs prematurely, anyway.

And while no one seems to like the idea of having to deal with Iraq, the fact is is that the U.S. does indeed have interests in the stability of the region -- financially, and more importantly, security -- and the possibility of Hussein creating nasty bombs or rubbing shoulders with Al-Qaeda should definitely concern us.

It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out. I don't personally know any Afghans, but I would imagine that now with the Taliban out of the way, the prospect of a much-increased standard of living can be realized, and I think the U.S. should build on that: the people in Iraq, too, are suffering (and a lot from our own doing!). Whatever future policy the U.S. has on engaging Iraq, the humanitarian/economic relief carrot has to be used, because really, when we think of all these nations that hate us, it's not because of our "freedom" or "values" that they hate -- they just hate being poor.

deez nuts
07-05-2002, 08:24 AM
You're right Achtung. I agree with you that they better be damn sure on the repercussions of such an action, and take safeguards to prevent it. I would also like to believe that Bush, isn't that gung-ho in wagging the military schlong.

However, I am extremely diffident since the months following 9/11. The disclosure of FBI documents pointing th the fact that there was knowledge of an impending 9/11 attacks, still bewilders me on how nothing was done. What is even worse is that this was the second attack on the Trade Center. Making it a very hot target for terrorists.

achtungbaby
07-05-2002, 08:44 AM
[quote:7d9f485eca="Chasiubao_Boy"]The disclosure of FBI documents pointing th the fact that there was knowledge of an impending 9/11 attacks, still bewilders me on how nothing was done.[/quote:7d9f485eca]

I've really been out of it on current events. I haven't had a chance to read too much about the FBI documents, but from what I understood, the Administration did have information that an attack was being planned, but it was by no means "hard intelligence" or something they could bank on. An example of us having vague info was on New Year's Eve, 1999. Everyone was aware some nuts were making crazy threats about what they wanted to do to the U.S., but no one was sure exactly what was coming. It took a phone call from the King (or prince? i forget) of Jordan, who said that something was coming from up north...sure enough, they were lucky enough to stop the guy in Seattle who was carrying all those goodies.

But like you mentioned, it's hard not be cynical when we hear about some of the gross oversights these guys make. They get paid a lot of money, but in reality, they're no different than you and I. They're just people who pool together resources and make them "educated" guesses...kinda like playing fantasy football:P Actually I wasn't so much upset about the actually 9/11, cuz in reality, unfortunately, there ain't a whole helluva lot you can do to completely stamp out a really, really determined terrorist, and whoever thought an airplane could be used to cause so much destruction? I was more pissed because come around late November I think it was, the Administration was still saying they thought he was still in Afghanistan...yeah right! Come on! Did they think he would have had this whole elaborate plan to kill over 4,000 people but nothing more? He was probably out of Afghanistan sometime that *day*...

DaBestSpooner
07-05-2002, 09:21 AM
I hate to defend bush, but I think clinton administration knew way more than the bush administration about what was to come. it pisses me off that hilary clinton to publicly question bush about his knowledge of 9/11, when her husband knew way more. Bill Clinton also had the opportunity to arrest bin laden but passed on it.

[quote:5c3530e0d6="Chasiubao_Boy"]You're right Achtung. I agree with you that they better be damn sure on the repercussions of such an action, and take safeguards to prevent it. I would also like to believe that Bush, isn't that gung-ho in wagging the military schlong.

However, I am extremely diffident since the months following 9/11. The disclosure of FBI documents pointing th the fact that there was knowledge of an impending 9/11 attacks, still bewilders me on how nothing was done. What is even worse is that this was the second attack on the Trade Center. Making it a very hot target for terrorists.[/quote:5c3530e0d6]

deez nuts
07-05-2002, 09:58 AM
Achtung and DaBestSpooner, I agree with you guys. But, You have to realize that there was already one terrorist attack on the World Trade Center. And yes, achtung I agree the folks working at Intelligence are human, as well. But, with the information they had on the impending attacks, I really don't see how they would dismiss the Trade Center as one of the primary target.

However, like achtung stated there was no way anyone could have foreseen zealots using planes as a guided missle to attack civilians. A feat like this must've taking years to plan (like Dabestspooner said, probably during the Clinton administration).

But, somewhere deep inside me I would like to think the U.S. government did all that it could do. But, for some reason, I thought more could have been done. The whole emotional maelstrom I experienced during those weeks, I would not wish on my worst enemy.

I, personally am sick of every major holiday like Memorial Day and 4th of July wondering in the back of my mind if something will go down. Hospitals here have been on standby here for Memorial Day and July 4th. I hate that sinking feeling, I get when I get paged thinking "Oh, shit, " when I am out with my friends.

As, to the proposed military action against terrorism, I am just concerned at what cost.

ImrkevinpakI
07-05-2002, 11:17 AM
Got to say, Where the hell is Collin Powell when all this is going on? If hes the guy in charge of the US military actions, where is he?

achtungbaby
07-05-2002, 01:00 PM
[quote:407bc06619="DaBestSpooner"]it pisses me off that hilary clinton to publicly question bush about his knowledge of 9/11, when her husband knew way more.
[/quote:407bc06619]

weeeeerd. I heard her try and defend herself about it afterwards, saying she was misquoted by the press, that her intentions were for good, not evil, that she just wanted to bring to light what her constituents wanted to know...but shit, there are plenty of other ways to go about that, especially after Bush came through almost immediately on his promise to providing federal funding to NY that her and the governor had requested.

achtungbaby
07-05-2002, 01:14 PM
[quote:54cf8ab88c="Chasiubao_Boy"]
The whole emotional maelstrom I experienced during those weeks, I would not wish on my worst enemy.
[/quote:54cf8ab88c]

That's something I wish the anti-American critics would remember. It wasn't hip to point out the U.S.'s oppressive foreign policies precipitated the attack, but of course, they did come, and I fully understand that people do indeed hate the U.S...but I don't think many of its most ardent critics -- who aren't religious fanatics or Sadaam Hussein -- would ever wish that kind of devastation upon anyone. I may like to shove old ladies and steal candy from kids (okay, not really), but I just could not wish 9/11 on someone else...

[quote:54cf8ab88c="Chasiubao_Boy"]
As, to the proposed military action against terrorism, I am just concerned at what cost.[/quote:54cf8ab88c]

As silly as he may be, I think the President is a good man.

(waits for tomatoes to be thrown)

I love leadership and always get suckered in easily when someone is able to step up and [i:54cf8ab88c]really lead[/i:54cf8ab88c]. It's actually much harder to do in this present day and age I guess.

Having said that, even after being thankful immediately after 9/11 that Bush seemed to have a handle on things, right when he started talking aboout the "war on terrorism" I started to feel uneasy. As "righteous" as my anger was, I guess I took too many poli sci classes on college to simply ignore those types of statements and their implications.

So I guess the U.S. has found the Neo-Cold War it was looking for...