How do you show your pride?

[AngryABCGirl]

Living in a predominatly in the Asian San Gabriel Valley in LA, I find that it's easy for a lot of people to stay in there and never have to assert their Asian-consciousness. However for most of us, colleges, careers, and etc force us out into the predominantly white world outside of our neighborhood.
Often when a lot of when a young Asian-Americans leave, they get a culture shock.
Hey, the world is racist? What there's discrimination? What do you mean there's a different between you and me cause your skin's different and you grew up differently than me?
So how do people assert themselves in these new situations and be proud of their heritage? They can't a lot of the time and don't know how, and let themselves get pushed around and end up in the background.
Or else they end up clumping together with other Asians in the area, but sometimes that isn't an option.
So what's there do to? How do you stand up to the enviroment around you?

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Well, the Asian-Americans at Berkeley assert their pride by throwing beer bottles and shouting "Crackers stay away from our women" whenever they see white-looking hapas leaving parties with one of "their" women.

[rakovlam]

I criticize everything around me so that people no longer view me as the Chinese kid; but rather the annoying kid. Then I blast J-pop in my car.

[loserbutt]

damn I wish I could be at Berkeley

[teaz0r]

Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Jan 30 2003, 10:02 AM
Well, the Asian-Americans at Berkeley assert their pride by throwing beer bottles and shouting "Crackers stay away from our women" whenever they see white-looking hapas leaving parties with one of "their" women.
HAHaHAhhAH

i like how you summed it up.

[thaite]

I eat nuthin' but Asian food. I wear nuthin' but either fobby clothes, or Banana Republic. I got a crapload of tattoos with Asian writing that I don't understand -- same thing with my T-shirts. I speak Asian languages as much as I can, and look exasperated when I have to speak English to some white person -- "What? You can't speak X? Well, you better learn." I drive only Hondas, Toyota, Nissans or some other Asian manufacturer. I tried joining as many Asian clubs as I could, but I had to quit because they weren't as Asian as I am -- they just ain't militant enough, ya know. And I watch a lot of anime and listen to Asian pop.

All you Asians better be lookin' out for me, 'cuz I am THE up and coming Asian muthasuckuh!

:ph34r:

[Napoleon Chynamite]

I speak Chinese to everyone I talk to, even if they can't understand it, too bad. Asian pride, bitch.

[tvbdude]

I watch alot of HK tv series, movies, etc. I'm learning authentic chinese kung fu too.

[BeTheReds]

No one has taken this thread seriously. LOL

I show my pride by being punched in the face by Korean looking Koreans for being a White looking 1/2 Korean seen with an Asian girl in Koreatown.

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Jan 30 2003, 12:20 AM
No one has taken this thread seriously.  LOL
that's cuz Asian Pride is hard to take seriously.

the last thing Asian-Americans need is more of this "Asian Pride" racist materialism. How about learning something about Asian culture instead?

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Jan 29 2003, 09:20 PM
I show my pride by being punched in the face by Korean looking Koreans for being a White looking 1/2 Korean seen with an Asian girl in Koreatown.
Damnit, I already apologized for that! Let it go:(

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Jan 29 2003, 09:31 PM
that's cuz Asian Pride is hard to take seriously.

I don't think it's hard to take seriously in America.

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Jan 30 2003, 05:31 AM
that's cuz Asian Pride is hard to take seriously.

the last thing Asian-Americans need is more of this "Asian Pride" racist materialism. How about learning something about Asian culture instead?
I totally agree with you.

I can see how Koreans who live in Korea have Korean pride, or how Taiwanese can say they have Taiwanese pride, because those are based on nationalism in the face of struggles for small nations for recognition in Asia and the world.

I can't see a pan asian pride at all, because all those nations still bicker with each other over rocks in the sea, or because one head of state feels the need to honor his country's war dead. They backstab and posture over each other for attempt to get the upper hand.

I also can't see the whole Asian American pride for anything other than people who think they are special because they look different than the majority, and looking different gives them the right to look down on everyone and, especially white people, with the justification that they are combatting racism.

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Jan 29 2003, 10:32 PM
I also can't see the whole Asian American pride for anything other than people who think they are special because they look different than the majority, and looking different gives them the right to look down on everyone and, especially white people, with the justification that they are combatting racism.
I totally disagree. Growing up in the U.S., the notion of Asian Pride never meant looking down on others, including whites. Any resentment or bitterness you might detect from Asian Americans is a direct result from the racism they've endured from whites, et al. But that, to me anyway, is not what Asian Pride is about. Part of what is, for sure, as you mentioned, is a celebration and appreciation for our cultural heritage, and a recognition for how that has been transformed in the U.S.

I'm a Korean American. A professor in college who I was close with once tried to discourage me from seeking more of my cultural heritage out. He knew who "I was" and where I was from (Torrance) and in effect, tried to tell me I'd be wasting my time by going to Korea for a summer because that's not who I was, I was an American.

I think he only got it half right though.

[tapestrybabe]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Jan 30 2003, 01:32 AM
Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Jan 30 2003, 05:31 AM
that's cuz Asian Pride is hard to take seriously.

the last thing Asian-Americans need is more of this "Asian Pride" racist materialism. How about learning something about Asian culture instead?
I totally agree with you.

I also can't see the whole Asian American pride for anything other than people who think they are special because they look different than the majority, and looking different gives them the right to look down on everyone and, especially white people, with the justification that they are combatting racism.
Asian Pride-- i take it seriously...
pride in my race and ethnicity...

And yeah, i take pride in being Korean American...
and i dont think i look down on anyone...

[AngryABCGirl]

I didn't mean Asian Pride as in that stuff angry people spat out as a direct result of being discriminated against.
I mean more of what you can do to assert you identity when people assume things about you or when people try to tell you who are like the previous poster's professor did. It's about learning about your culture and not being afraid of who you are without being militant or discriminatory toward others.

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by achtungbaby@Jan 30 2003, 06:41 AM
I totally disagree. Growing up in the U.S., the notion of Asian Pride never meant looking down on others, including whites. Any resentment or bitterness you might detect from Asian Americans is a direct result from the racism they've endured from whites, et al. But that, to me anyway, is not what Asian Pride is about. Part of what is, for sure, as you mentioned, is a celebration and appreciation for our cultural heritage, and a recognition for how that has been transformed in the U.S.

I'm a Korean American. A professor in college who I was close with once tried to discourage me from seeking more of my cultural heritage out. He knew who "I was" and where I was from (Torrance) and in effect, tried to tell me I'd be wasting my time by going to Korea for a summer because that's not who I was, I was an American.

I think he only got it half right though.
Well if that's really what Asian Pride is all about then I have no objection about it.

However I feel that there is 2 types of Asian pride then. Intelligent Asian Pride, and Uninteligent aZn PriDeZ.

Do you know what I am saying?

Celebration and appreciation of cultural heritage and how it has been transformed is an intelligent thing to look for. I too have done the same thing on my travels to Korea, to my father's hometown, and various other spots that are not in seoul, so I certainly know what you are talking about here.

Some people make it the focus of their Asian Identity to hate white people. They also make it a prerequisite for being their friend or associating with them. They also shun other Asians who hang out with white people on a regular basis. You can not deny that there are people who trumpet Asian pride, and really are simply filled with hate, yet they justify it by saying they are combatting racism.

Unfortunately, I feel that Asian Pride most of the time, is in the form of the latter, rather than the former.

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by AzNBuffGrL@Jan 30 2003, 07:03 AM
It's about learning about your culture and not being afraid of who you are without being militant or discriminatory toward others.
I'd like to introduce you to the AASU at the University of Maryland. If you believe what you are saying, then you would get just as sick of it as I did.

[LCY]

I'll give it a shot.

I think what helps is seeking out other people who share your experiences of racism and discrimination and/or come from a similar background as yours. You find out that you're not alone and share effective ways to deal. I remember when I went to a very non-diverse college, I experienced major culture shock and my AASU sponsor (who was also Korean American) helped me a lot.

One way I deal is to teach everyone who wants to learn how to pronounce my Asian name correctly.

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Jan 29 2003, 11:07 PM
Well if that's really what Asian Pride is all about then I have no objection about it.

However I feel that there is 2 types of Asian pride then. Intelligent Asian Pride, and Uninteligent aZn PriDeZ.

Do you know what I am saying?

Definitely, and while I'm not gonna try to defend it, because some of its strains are a lil ridiculous, I would argue that AzIaN pRYYYde is sometimes a result of people, usually teenagers, searching for something to be prideful about, a result of peeps being (gasp) oppressed.

It's kinda like burning bras for women, or maybe even gay pride parade.

[Chris]

Well for me. I just show it by being able to speak, read and write in 3 asian language (Well mandarin and cantonse should be lump in to Chinese group). You can't get any more asian pride than that....other than having this kick ass black and gold Asian Pride TShirt I pick up a while back.

[Chris]

Originally posted by achtungbaby@Jan 29 2003, 11:29 PM

It's kinda like burning bras for women, or maybe even gay pride parade.
Werd. Too much gay pride annoy the HELL out of me. LOL If I see a quenny gay dude just because it is cool be like that. I be the frist one kick his ass. :lol:

[AltimaGTR]

Originally posted by Chris@Jan 29 2003, 11:39 PM
....other than having this kick ass black and gold Asian Pride TShirt I pick up a while back.
LOL that's cool Chris; I think blacklava.com also sells T-shirts like that...but w/ a more subtle message...

[SunWuKong]

there is no need to "show" my pride. i am what i am. i'm going read chinese on my computer. i'm going to read my chinese newspaper on the train. i'm going to use chinese names in the dummy data that i use at work. i'm going to speak chinese to my chinese colleagues (not at all times).

it is not done for anybody's benefit but my own. it is not done to "show" anything.

if they don't like it they can fuck off.

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by Chris@Jan 29 2003, 11:42 PM
Werd. Too much gay pride annoy the HELL out of me. LOL If I see a quenny gay dude just because it is cool be like that. I be the frist one kick his ass. :lol:
But how would you feel if you heard people criticizing "those damn flamin' gays and their crazy parades!" all the time?

I dunno, maybe it's just me...I may not drive in a rice rocket or lurk in AsianAvenue, but I get a little annoyed when non-Asians try and rip into something they know nothing about.

[moschikat]

labels are for jars and bottles.

:lol:

[Chris]

Originally posted by achtungbaby@Jan 30 2003, 12:00 AM
But how would you feel if you heard people criticizing "those damn flamin' gays and their crazy parades!" all the time?

I dunno, maybe it's just me...I may not drive in a rice rocket or lurk in AsianAvenue, but I get a little annoyed when non-Asians try and rip into something they know nothing about.
That is another story. I said IF I KNEW that these guys act they way just to play into a sterotype sorta liek the asian pride thing. I would Literally Kick their ass. Just to prove a point that gay guys don't fight? Well this one will just to prove a point.

Well As for the those people. I would point out that I am gay. But do you see me flaming and marching ia parade?" I guess people are entitle to ther own POV...... :rolleyes:

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jan 30 2003, 02:56 AM
there is no need to "show" my pride.  i am what i am.  i'm going read chinese on my computer.  i'm going to read my chinese newspaper on the train.  i'm going to use chinese names in the dummy data that i use at work.  i'm going to speak chinese to my chinese colleagues (not at all times).  

it is not done for anybody's benefit but my own.  it is not done to "show" anything.

if they don't like it they can fuck off.
word. if a guy's Asianness was something worth being proud of, he wouldn't need to be racking his brains for ways to "show his Asian pride." if you feel the need to show it off, it's probably not worth being shown. And i don't care whether some white American guy can pronounce my Asian name correctly or even knows what Hakka is. It's pretty well irrelevent to his life in an Anglophone country.

Asian-American culture in the US is just the white pop culture plus a few food dishes, knick-knacks, and automobile parts from the motherlands, and a large dose of racial cliquishness. Being proud of that is like being proud of the fact that you own an alarm clock, eat sandwiches, and hang out only with Knicks fans.

[kasia]

Originally posted by achtungbaby@Jan 29 2003, 11:29 PM
Definitely, and while I'm not gonna try to defend it, because some of its strains are a lil ridiculous, I would argue that AzIaN pRYYYde is sometimes a result of people, usually teenagers, searching for something to be prideful about, a result of peeps being (gasp) oppressed.
my thoughts exactly. a lot of those kids grew up in white suburbs and didn't feel comfortable asserting their asian identity until they hit middle school or high school. if you've been an asian kid in a predominantly white school, you may know what it's like hide your asianness. i was embarassed every time my parents packed me a chinese lunch (chasiubaos, potstickers, rice, etc.), the fact that my parents watched chinese television at home, my parents speaking chinese to me during open house, etc. the worst part was that i was in touch with my asian side. i also watched chinese television, listened to the chinese radio, enjoyed having dim sum in chinatown with my family every week. i kept this entire side of me from my white friends because they would have thought i was weird. (usually, kids at the elementary school and even middle school level aren't into asserting their individuality. conformity is key.)

and so...we have kids who have suppressed a whole side of themselves for much of their lives. then, they finally meet asian friends in middle school and high school who share common interests. i met my first non-white-washed asian friend from my school district in 8th grade during a slumber party. somehow during the night, we discovered that we both liked leon lai. mind you, until then, i had no other friends that were into chinese music. we immediately bonded, became best friends, and sang leon lai songs all night (the white kids thought we were crazy). but for the first time in both of our lives, we had our asian interests validated by a peer. for the first time, we realized that it could actually be "cool" to be asian. slowly, we sought out every asian kid in our school district, and asian pride became a huge thing for us. and yes, we were the kids who wrote 'azn pryde!' in our notebooks, who threw asian dances, who had asian club picnics, who even shouted 'asian pride' in the halls. some of us just felt very relieved and happy that it was acceptable to be asian-american.

frankly, i don't think one would understand the concept of "asian pride" unless has spent the vast of his childhood in the united states - especially in a white neighborhood.

[537]

I don't believe in taking pride in one's ethnicity. Pride for me is given only to what I have worked long and hard to achieve. I take pride in my work. The things I do. The way I carry myself. How I choose to act/react. I cannot and will not take pride in the fact I was born an asian male. That is something I cannot control.

However, knowing one's heritage is extremely important. To know your people, to identify with them, to carry on your lineage....that is something to take pride in.

Hope it doesn't seem like I'm contradicting myself....

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by 537@Jan 30 2003, 12:01 PM
However, knowing one's heritage is extremely important. To know your people, to identify with them, to carry on your lineage....that is something to take pride in.

Hope it doesn't seem like I'm contradicting myself....
Why can't you do both?

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jan 29 2003, 11:56 PM
there is no need to "show" my pride. i am what i am. i'm going read chinese on my computer. i'm going to read my chinese newspaper on the train. i'm going to use chinese names in the dummy data that i use at work. i'm going to speak chinese to my chinese colleagues (not at all times).

it is not done for anybody's benefit but my own. it is not done to "show" anything.

if they don't like it they can fuck off.
Awwww...does someone need a hug?:)

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Jan 30 2003, 10:56 AM
Asian-American culture in the US is just the white pop culture plus a few food dishes, knick-knacks, and automobile parts from the motherlands, and a large dose of racial cliquishness. Being proud of that is like being proud of the fact that you own an alarm clock, eat sandwiches, and hang out only with Knicks fans.
Awww, does someone need a hug?:)

[537]

Hey, you can do both, personally I just don't see how I can take pride in something I had no hand in doing. Of course, I am a proud asian male. But not because I am asian. I am proud of where I have taken my life, the choices I have made, and the people I choose to be near. I guess, for me, being asian is just that. I am an asian male, period. I won't shy away from letting that be known for any reason, so if that counts as 'asian pride' then I may just have all this terminology mixed up.

B)

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by achtungbaby@Jan 30 2003, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jan 29 2003, 11:56 PM
there is no need to "show" my pride.  i am what i am.  i'm going read chinese on my computer.  i'm going to read my chinese newspaper on the train.  i'm going to use chinese names in the dummy data that i use at work.  i'm going to speak chinese to my chinese colleagues (not at all times).  

it is not done for anybody's benefit but my own.  it is not done to "show" anything.

if they don't like it they can fuck off.
Awwww...does someone need a hug?:)
hahahah

well i just think the idea that pride needs to be "shown" is kind of funny, not to mention contradictory.

[kasia]

it doesn't need to be shown, but if you have it, it's inevitable that it is shown.

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jan 30 2003, 12:15 PM
well i just think the idea that pride needs to be "shown" is kind of funny, not to mention contradictory.
Well, like I said, when you think about the notion itself, in isolation, it can indeed seem funny. But then again when you grow up in the United States and then stir in the white-washing, having a renewed sense of pride in your heritage works.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by achtungbaby@Jan 30 2003, 03:17 PM
Well, like I said, when you think about the notion itself, in isolation, it can indeed seem funny. But then again when you grow up in the United States and then stir in the white-washing, having a renewed sense of pride in your heritage works.
oh yeah, i'm not saying that it's bad to have pride in your heritage. i'm just talking about the whole idea of deliberately showing it off.

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jan 30 2003, 12:23 PM
oh yeah, i'm not saying that it's bad to have pride in your heritage. i'm just talking about the whole idea of deliberately showing it off.
I think the whole practice of showing it off might be a legitimate one for some (gasp!) sell-outs though. As crazy as it sounds, there are a lot of Asian Americans in this country who'd rather be seen as "Americans" and certainly not aligned with the rabble-rousing "Asian" contingent.

[BeTheReds]

frankly, i don't think one would understand the concept of "asian pride" unless has spent the vast of his childhood in the united states - especially in a white neighborhood.

Raises hand!

I'm sorry, that's me, and I certainly don't understand it. Maybe it's different where you grew up. I grew up in the DC area and I had never tried to hide any of my Korean-ness. Perhaps it is diffeernt because I am a white looking mixed person, but I had my 2 or 3 Korean friends all through elementary school who I bonded with and we loved going to each others houses to watch bbo bbo boo and eat out at Korean restaurants with our parents. IT wasn't until Highschool came around and people started asserting their Asian pride, And I became marginalized as one of those white people who just doesn't understand. The cliquy asians went their way and I had no way in. Even my close friends from elementary school were now no longer close at all, because to be my friend would go against Asian pride.

So perhaps my situation is so different from yours that I can't see what good can come from Asian Pride, which I equate with cliqueyness and abandonment of any friends you may have who are not asian, or who don't look like they are. I suppose that if I was the only Asian kid in the whole school, and upon entering high school found the first other Asian person my age that I had ever encountered, then we'd have someting to talk about. But, in my situation I am simply angry and resentful towards Asian pride, simply because of my own experiences with it.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Jan 30 2003, 08:06 PM

Raises hand!

I'm sorry, that's me, and I certainly don't understand it. Maybe it's different where you grew up. I grew up in the DC area and I had never tried to hide any of my Korean-ness. Perhaps it is diffeernt because I am a white looking mixed person, but I had my 2 or 3 Korean friends all through elementary school who I bonded with and we loved going to each others houses to watch bbo bbo boo and eat out at Korean restaurants with our parents. IT wasn't until Highschool came around and people started asserting their Asian pride, And I became marginalized as one of those white people who just doesn't understand. The cliquy asians went their way and I had no way in. Even my close friends from elementary school were now no longer close at all, because to be my friend would go against Asian pride.

So perhaps my situation is so different from yours that I can't see what good can come from Asian Pride, which I equate with cliqueyness and abandonment of any friends you may have who are not asian, or who don't look like they are. I suppose that if I was the only Asian kid in the whole school, and upon entering high school found the first other Asian person my age that I had ever encountered, then we'd have someting to talk about. But, in my situation I am simply angry and resentful towards Asian pride, simply because of my own experiences with it.
well, it depends on what you think the term "asian pride" means. and don't forget that what you experienced was in high school. they're high school kids. stupidity that is laced with racism certainly is not the only type of stupidity that comes with the territory of being high school kids.

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jan 31 2003, 01:13 AM

well, it depends on what you think the term "asian pride" means. and don't forget that what you experienced was in high school. they're high school kids. stupidity that is laced with racism certainly is not the only type of stupidity that comes with the territory of being high school kids.
That high school mentality does carry on into college and afterwards.

[KiTTY2babe]

*aZN pRyDe*

:lol:

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Jan 30 2003, 08:24 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jan 31 2003, 01:13 AM

well, it depends on what you think the term "asian pride" means.  and don't forget that what you experienced was in high school.  they're high school kids.  stupidity that is laced with racism certainly is not the only type of stupidity that comes with the territory of being high school kids.
That high school mentality does carry on into college and afterwards.
alright fair enough. but from personal experience it really dies down when you're out in the work force.

[tapestrybabe]

Originally posted by KiTTY2babe@Jan 30 2003, 08:26 PM
*aZN pRyDe*

:lol:
Woo Hoo!!!
*aZn pRyDe*
here too :D

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jan 31 2003, 01:27 AM

alright fair enough. but from personal experience it really dies down when you're out in the work force.
I have yet to see the American workforce.. so I hope you are right.

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by tapestrybabe@Jan 31 2003, 01:29 AM
Originally posted by KiTTY2babe@Jan 30 2003, 08:26 PM
*aZN pRyDe*

:lol:
Woo Hoo!!!
*aZn pRyDe*
here too :D
GROAN

[kasia]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Jan 30 2003, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by tapestrybabe@Jan 31 2003, 01:29 AM
Originally posted by KiTTY2babe@Jan 30 2003, 08:26 PM
*aZN pRyDe*

:lol:
Woo Hoo!!!
*aZn pRyDe*
here too :D
GROAN
maybe you should try to view 'asian pride' from a different perspective. in saying "azn pryde", neither kittybabe or tb are being exclusive. they're hardly saying, "we asian, and you're not."

[tapestrybabe]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Jan 30 2003, 08:32 PM
Originally posted by tapestrybabe@Jan 31 2003, 01:29 AM
Originally posted by KiTTY2babe@Jan 30 2003, 08:26 PM
*aZN pRyDe*

:lol:
Woo Hoo!!!
*aZn pRyDe*
here too :D
GROAN
Woo Hoo...
*aZn pRyDe*

:D

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by kasia@Jan 31 2003, 01:34 AM

maybe you should try to view 'asian pride' from a different perspective.  in saying "azn pryde", neither kittybabe or tb are being exclusive.  they're hardly saying, "we asian, and you're not."
Well tell me what it is they are saying then.

It just reminded me of all the foolishness I have seen on other sites, as well as being a waste of 2.. oh wait, 3 posts, and contributing nothing to the discussion, which was getting interesting.

I know they are not excluding me from my identity, but what exactly did they accomplish?

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Originally posted by kasia@Jan 30 2003, 08:34 PM
maybe you should try to view 'asian pride' from a different perspective. in saying "azn pryde", neither kittybabe or tb are being exclusive. they're hardly saying, "we asian, and you're not."
that's difficult cuz we're intimately familiar with the fact that it's a continuum along the same mentality. they're not saying "we're asian and you're not," but the strengthening of "asian pride" and transformation into a more popular and socially acceptable concept among the young people just earns us more racialist bullshit from someone else who wants to express his "asian pride."

[tapestrybabe]

Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Jan 30 2003, 08:45 PM
that's difficult cuz we're intimately familiar with the fact that it's a continuum along the same mentality. they're not saying "we're asian and you're not," but the strengthening of "asian pride" and transformation into a more popular and socially acceptable concept among the young people just earns us more racialist bullshit from someone.
C'mon alibaba... and bethereads...
who cares about the others...

get into the spirit and i *dare* ya...
just type it out...

*aZn pRyDe*
*aZn pRyDe*
*aZn pRyDe*

:)

[kasia]

Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Jan 30 2003, 05:45 PM
that's difficult cuz we're intimately familiar with the fact that it's a continuum along the same mentality. they're not saying "we're asian and you're not," but the strengthening of "asian pride" and transformation into a more popular and socially acceptable concept among the young people just earns us more racialist bullshit from someone else who wants to express his "asian pride."
how so?

[ChairmanMah]

Originally posted by 537@Jan 30 2003, 08:01 PM
I don't believe in taking pride in one's ethnicity. Pride for me is given only to what I have worked long and hard to achieve. I take pride in my work. The things I do. The way I carry myself. How I choose to act/react. I cannot and will not take pride in the fact I was born an asian male. That is something I cannot control.

However, knowing one's heritage is extremely important. To know your people, to identify with them, to carry on your lineage....that is something to take pride in.

Hope it doesn't seem like I'm contradicting myself....
i posted something like this in AA like a year ago on the exact same topic.

i completely agree. you cant control being asian. How can you be proud of "asia" or "taiwan" or whatever.

You should have pride in your own accomplishments not all the mistakes of a whole race of people.

Guys like Bethereds who think i am an asian pride racist boy have got me all wrong.

Because i have no control over being asian and white ppl like to remind you of this in negative ways, i choose to retaliate and find reason to produce negativity for others who offend me.

My state of mind was partially created by society.

[ChairmanMah]

although i am proud of a lot of chinese accomplishments, in no way would i take credit for them.

[SunWuKong]

hmm... ok. less post whoring in this thread please. only relevant posts need be submitted.

thanks.

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by tapestrybabe@Jan 31 2003, 01:49 AM
C'mon alibaba... and bethereads...
who cares about the others...

get into the spirit and i *dare* ya...
just type it out...

*aZn pRyDe*
*aZn pRyDe*
*aZn pRyDe*

:)
It's reds not reads.

Someone who has Korean pride should not misspell that at all.

LOL j/k

[tapestrybabe]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Jan 30 2003, 08:55 PM
Originally posted by tapestrybabe@Jan 31 2003, 01:49 AM
C'mon alibaba... and bethereds...
who cares about the others...

get into the spirit and i *dare* ya...
just type it out...

*aZn pRyDe*
*aZn pRyDe*
*aZn pRyDe*

:)
It's reds not reads.

Someone who has Korean pride should not misspell that at all.

LOL j/k
sorry about the typo BeTheReds...
but yeah, how do i show my asian pride??

*aZn PrYde*

:) :) :)

[deez nuts]

People that do the excessive Asian Pride thing are annoying and so are the ones that complain excessively about those that do the Asian Pride thing.

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Jan 30 2003, 06:00 PM
People that do the excessive Asian Pride thing are annoying and so are the ones that complain excessively about those that do the Asian Pride thing.
Well said:)

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Jan 31 2003, 01:50 AM


Guys like Bethereds who think i am an asian pride racist boy have got me all wrong.

Because i have no control over being asian and white ppl like to remind you of this in negative ways, i choose to retaliate and find reason to produce negativity for others who offend me.

My state of mind was partially created by society.
That's an argument that murderers and rapists use to justify their crimes.

If you want to treat people like shit because they have treated you like shit, then go ahead, I have no problem with that.

But hating white people because one, or a few white people treated you like shit is what I don't understand.

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Jan 31 2003, 02:00 AM
People that do the excessive Asian Pride thing are annoying and so are the ones that complain excessively about those that do the Asian Pride thing.

Fine, annoying as it may be, I have to say what I beleive, in a thread discussing Asian pride.

[tapestrybabe]

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Jan 30 2003, 09:00 PM
People that do the excessive Asian Pride thing are annoying and so are the ones that complain excessively about those that do the Asian Pride thing.
yeah, i hear ya...
its not something that i usually do...
but when BTR... started downplaying it...
i think its what got me on a roll...

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Jan 30 2003, 06:05 PM
Right but only really annoying to those that do it.
No, they can just be annoying, period:)

It's a pretty simple premise: one person has one perspective and experiences and all the baggage that comes with it; another person has the opposite.

Let's stop bitching about either!

[ChairmanMah]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Jan 31 2003, 02:04 AM


But hating white people because one, or a few white people treated you like shit is what I don't understand.
that is not true.

i am on guard ready to strike when provoked.

[achtungbaby]

Please keep things civil.

[kasia]

Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Jan 30 2003, 06:17 PM
Originally posted by BeTheReds@Jan 31 2003, 02:04 AM


But hating white people because one, or a few white people treated you like shit is what I don't understand.
that is not true.

i am on guard ready to strike when provoked.
why do i find it both amusing and sad that you often sound like a 10-year-old?

check out our guidelines (http://forums.yellowworld.org/index.php?act=ST&f=33&t=149). and refrain from personal attacks, please.

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Jan 30 2003, 06:04 PM
But hating white people because one, or a few white people treated you like shit is what I don't understand.
Could the same principle be applied to Asian American college groups?:)

[SunWuKong]

i have started regulating this thread. certain posts have been deleted. don't make any bullshit posts or irrelevant posts because i'll delete those too.

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Jan 31 2003, 02:17 AM
Originally posted by BeTheReds@Jan 31 2003, 02:04 AM


But hating white people because one, or a few white people treated you like shit is what I don't understand.
that is not true.

i am on guard ready to strike when provoked.
So in your mind, all white people are the same, and should be dealt with in the same manner?

Is that what you are saying?

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by achtungbaby@Jan 31 2003, 02:19 AM
Could the same principle be applied to Asian American college groups?:)
No, because they communicate with each other and try to organize some political agenda which is bound to create similar attitudes in people akin to those who i loathed during my time at UMCP.

I am certainly open to meeting an AA college group that goes against my gripes. But I will go in with a preconcieved notion of what an AA college group is.

Just as when I first came to YW I was skeptical and thought I would see the same thing as on almost every other Asian website. It takes time for you to see what this is really about, and what direction and purpose it has. The same would have to be applied to an AA college group.

[SunWuKong]

the final answers to why your posts were deleted are found here. (http://forums.yellowworld.org/index.php?act=ST&f=36&t=2726)

[ChairmanMah]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Jan 31 2003, 02:19 AM

So in your mind, all white people are the same, and should be dealt with in the same manner?

Is that what you are saying?
wtf are you talking about?

i don't think that white ppl are the same but i do think most white ppl are at least slightly racist by default due to ignorance but if you brush me the wrong way on the wrong day i'm usually looking for someone to smash out.

I know it's wrong to punch ppl in the face but i feel good when i do things like that. Maybe it's the adrenaline. i used to be a real adrenaline junkie.

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Jan 30 2003, 06:26 PM
No, because they communicate with each other and try to organize some political agenda which is bound to create similar attitudes in people akin to those who i loathed during my time at UMCP.
...some political agenda that you think might be loathsome. The same could be said about white people ya know. Plenty of people here have had negative experiences with them and would make the mistake of disdaining any type of dialogue out of laziness.

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Jan 30 2003, 06:29 PM
I know it's wrong to punch ppl in the face but i feel good when i do things like that.
I like to pick my nose.

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Jan 31 2003, 02:29 AM


i don't think that white ppl are the same but i do think most white ppl are at least slightly racist by default due to ignorance
Couldn't you say that about practically everyone including (gasp) Asian Americans (or Canadians).

[achtungbaby]

Is it me or is this discussion going in circles?

[ChairmanMah]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Jan 31 2003, 02:32 AM
Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Jan 31 2003, 02:29 AM


i don't think that white ppl are the same but i do think most white ppl are at least slightly racist by default due to ignorance
Couldn't you say that about practically everyone including (gasp) Asian Americans (or Canadians).
i guess so.

everyone deserves a punch in the head.

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Originally posted by achtungbaby@Jan 30 2003, 09:31 PM
...some political agenda that you think might be loathsome. The same could be said about white people ya know. Plenty of people here have had negative experiences with them and would make the mistake of disdaining any type of dialogue out of laziness.
yeah but worse than than their political agenda, is their social agenda as well.

in my high school, there was one social event held by the Asian Society where a lot of people started showing up, and the security guy came by before the doors opened to say that not all the people outside were going to be able to come in because it would be a fire hazard and the school would get sued. solution? the Asian Society board members came up with the brilliant idea of letting in all the Asians. then afterwards when people bitched about it, they denied it, claimed they just had to make it into a "members only" event (despite all the Asian Americans around who didn't attend Asian Society meetings), and pointed to a few random girls who were friends with one of the board members, and me (I was already inside setting up a table with the HKSA) as examples of "white people who got in" when some guy from the school paper asked them about it.

I have no particular use for organizations which try to provide a social space which is segregated on the basis of race. religion or language, maybe, but not some appearance-base standard of Asianness. and that's a huge goal of every asian xyz-American Students Association I've ever run into.

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Jan 30 2003, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by BeTheReds@Jan 31 2003, 02:32 AM
Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Jan 31 2003, 02:29 AM


i don't think that white ppl are the same but i do think most white ppl are at least slightly racist by default due to ignorance
Couldn't you say that about practically everyone including (gasp) Asian Americans (or Canadians).
i guess so.

everyone deserves a punch in the head.
Wow. You cycling some serious shit or what? What are you on a Test Enanthate, Equipose, Dianabol, Nolva and Clomid cycle? I've met juice junkies at my gym at the peak of their sauce cycle with less anger than you but minus the bitterness.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Jan 30 2003, 09:41 PM
yeah but worse than than their political agenda, is their social agenda as well.

in my high school, there was one social event held by the Asian Society where a lot of people started showing up, and the security guy came by before the doors opened to say that not all the people outside were going to be able to come in because it would be a fire hazard and the school would get sued. solution? the Asian Society board members came up with the brilliant idea of letting in all the Asians. then afterwards when people bitched about it, they denied it, claimed they just had to make it into a "members only" event (despite all the Asian Americans around who didn't attend Asian Society meetings), and pointed to a few random girls who were friends with one of the board members, and me (I was already inside setting up a table with the HKSA) as examples of "white people who got in" when some guy from the school paper asked them about it.

I have no particular use for organizations which try to provide a social space which is segregated on the basis of race. religion or language, maybe, but not some appearance-base standard of Asianness. and that's a huge goal of every asian xyz-American Students Association I've ever run into.
i think i would have bitched somebody out if i were you.

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Jan 30 2003, 06:41 PM
and that's a huge goal of every asian xyz-American Students Association I've ever run into.
Well that does indeed suck. I haven't had the same experience but I think it sucks that you have.

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jan 30 2003, 09:44 PM
i think i would have bitched somebody out if i were you.
yeah, I did. things went downhill fast from there. that's when all the rumors about me being a white guy with an asian fetish started. and that's when I changed from just being a guy who showed up at HKSA meetings sometimes cuz a fellow Hakka-speaker dragged me along and started getting seriously sinified.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Jan 30 2003, 09:48 PM
yeah, I did. things went downhill fast from there. that's when all the rumors about me being a white guy with an asian fetish started. and that's when I changed from just being a guy who showed up at HKSA meetings sometimes cuz a fellow Hakka-speaker dragged me along and started getting seriously sinified.
good for you man. that you didn't turn away from your heritage because of that experience.

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by achtungbaby@Jan 31 2003, 02:31 AM
...some political agenda that you think might be loathsome.  The same could be said about white people ya know.  Plenty of people here have had negative experiences with them and would make the mistake of disdaining any type of dialogue out of laziness.
No, not the politcal agenda, the attitude in some or most of the members is what I find loathsome.

The AA college political group is always trying to combat racism and increase awareness about Asian American issues, they do this by communicating with other AA groups and support each other oftentimes without thinking about the issue itself. They also welcome everyone to support their cause, wether they do it out of honest support for the cause, or if they do it because they hate some people on the other side. This leads to many people joining up to be around people who look like them or who want to socialize based on this look. It also lets the ignorance (as well as the positive things) move around freely. And I find that the ignorance leads to some of the things Eric was talking about in his last post.

White people on the other hand are not an organized network under the same agenda and aim. You can say that church is, and you can say that corporate america, or even white corporate america is, but i still don't see why that is any reason to think that every human with white skin is a vile racist and hater of all things asian.

[ChairmanMah]

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Jan 31 2003, 02:42 AM

Wow. You cycling some serious shit or what? What are you on a Test Enanthate, Equipose, Dianabol, Nolva and Clomid cycle? I've met juice junkies at my gym at the peak of their sauce cycle with less anger than you but minus the bitterness.
no sauce for me. but i know dudes that use stanzanol, winstrol, deca etc. i don't like unnecessary needles.

i've thought about taking stanzanol though because it's a pill.

am i that bitter? okay, i had an angry childhood okay.

[SunWuKong]

heheh at least the AA groups at your schools actually tried to, or pretended to, do something serious. the AA groups at my school just functioned to schedule events at which they proceeded to become highly inebriated.

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jan 30 2003, 09:51 PM
good for you man. that you didn't turn away from your heritage because of that experience.
actually, that's one of the things that always confused the hell outta me. I did give up on my heritage, if ya wanna call it that - I turned away from the people I was most culturally similar to at that time, other whitewashed kids who had immigrant relatives and some experience of Asian customs, and ended up assimilating with people with whom I really wasn't all that similar in terms of historical experience.

lots of other mixed-race kids go through the same thing. they just happen to end up in a mainstream clique instead.

heheh at least the AA groups at your schools actually tried to, or pretended to, do something serious. the AA groups at my school just functioned to schedule events at which they proceeded to become highly inebriated.

Well, so does everyone else. That's the purpose of student activities fees. It's like public assistance funds. If you can't afford beer, your club will buy it for you. :lol:

[tapestrybabe]

Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Jan 30 2003, 09:41 PM
I have no particular use for organizations which try to provide a social space which is segregated on the basis of race. religion or language, maybe, but not some appearance-base standard of Asianness.
i think this is where ppl's experiences vary...
your asian... but have a white look to you... which is why you have the attitude.. that looks shouldnt be important... and i agree with you... you shouldnt have to look asian in order to be considered asian...

altho, on the other hand... i admit, appearance plays a big role for me... when i'm with other asians that 'look' asian like me... its a new experience for me... being able to look at a mirror image of myself in others...

[achtungbaby]

Hey, I started a thread on bitterness here: http://forums.yellowworld.org/index.php?ac...=ST&f=38&t=5733 (http://forums.yellowworld.org/index.php?act=ST&f=38&t=5733)

Have at it!

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by tapestrybabe@Jan 31 2003, 03:05 AM

altho, on the other hand... i admit, appearance plays a big role for me... when i'm with other asians that 'look' asian like me... its a new experience for me... being able to look at a mirror image of myself in others...
If you grew up believing that everyone around you was different than you were, then I can understand why you would have that viewpoint.

I've always wondered what life must be like for adoptees. I wonder if mixed people and adoptees have similar experiences...

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by achtungbaby@Jan 30 2003, 06:41 AM


I'm a Korean American. A professor in college who I was close with once tried to discourage me from seeking more of my cultural heritage out. He knew who "I was" and where I was from (Torrance) and in effect, tried to tell me I'd be wasting my time by going to Korea for a summer because that's not who I was, I was an American.

I think he only got it half right though.
I don't get this guy, why would he discourage you from doing that? If really what he thought was true, then by going to Korea you would have learned that Korea is totally foreign to you and that would have reinforced what he was saying. He should have encouraged you to go so that you could come back knowing how American you really are.

Was this professor also a Korean American, or no?

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Jan 31 2003, 03:54 AM
Originally posted by achtungbaby@Jan 30 2003, 06:41 AM


I'm a Korean American.  A professor in college who I was close with once tried to discourage me from seeking more of my cultural heritage out.  He knew who "I was" and where I was from (Torrance) and in effect, tried to tell me I'd be wasting my time by going to Korea for a summer because that's not who I was, I was an American.  

I think he only got it half right though.
I don't get this guy, why would he discourage you from doing that? If really what he thought was true, then by going to Korea you would have learned that Korea is totally foreign to you and that would have reinforced what he was saying. He should have encouraged you to go so that you could come back knowing how American you really are.

Was this professor also a Korean American, or no?
hahahahaha how true :lol:
i think he didn't want him to become interested in making an effort to identify with just plain "Korean" more so than "Korean American".

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Jan 31 2003, 12:54 AM
I don't get this guy, why would he discourage you from doing that? If really what he thought was true, then by going to Korea you would have learned that Korea is totally foreign to you and that would have reinforced what he was saying. He should have encouraged you to go so that you could come back knowing how American you really are.

Was this professor also a Korean American, or no?
Nope, he was white. His point was that I was an American and regardless of my ethnic background, I was more an American and always would be.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by achtungbaby@Jan 31 2003, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by BeTheReds@Jan 31 2003, 12:54 AM
I don't get this guy, why would he discourage you from doing that?  If really what he thought was true, then by going to Korea you would have learned that Korea is totally foreign to you and that would have reinforced what he was saying.  He should have encouraged you to go so that you could come back knowing how American you really are.

Was this professor also a Korean American, or no?
Nope, he was white. His point was that I was an American and regardless of my ethnic background, I was more an American and always would be.
well, that is, unless you move to korea and become very localised.

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jan 31 2003, 09:06 AM
well, that is, unless you move to korea and become very localised.
I don't even know about that. By his thinking, no matter how Koreanized I could become, I'd still be an American-born Korean, with the U.S. as my "natural" home...

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by achtungbaby@Jan 31 2003, 12:10 PM
I don't even know about that.  By his thinking, no matter how Koreanized I could become, I'd still be an American-born Korean, with the U.S. as my "natural" home...
eh... i know white americans that spent so much time living outside of america that they no longer call america their "natural" home. so i'd have to disagree with your prof there.

[achtungbaby]

I disagreed with him too:)

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by achtungbaby@Jan 31 2003, 12:30 PM
I disagreed with him too:)
kind of presumptious, too, if you ask me. him being white and telling you that...

[achtungbaby]

I was kinda surprised by it. I considered him a friend at the time. It's just one of those things people won't understand.

[kasia]

just for comparison's sake, how do those of you who are opposed to the concept of 'asian pride' feel about the concept of 'girl power'?

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by kasia@Jan 31 2003, 01:41 PM
just for comparison's sake, how do those of you who are opposed to the concept of 'asian pride' feel about the concept of 'girl power'?
if it means more sex for the fellas, i'm all for it! :D

[kasia]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jan 31 2003, 10:43 AM
if it means more sex for the fellas, i'm all for it! :D
well, why aren't you as critical of it as you are of 'asian pride'? and not all females share the same political agenda. certainly there are females of all classes and ethnicities who have conflicting interests.

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by kasia@Jan 31 2003, 01:41 PM
just for comparison's sake, how do those of you who are opposed to the concept of 'asian pride' feel about the concept of 'girl power'?
You mean the Spice Girls?

On the real, I'm down. But like i said too much in your face or anything taken to the extreme gets annoying for me.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by kasia@Jan 31 2003, 01:48 PM
well, why aren't you as critical of it as you are of 'asian pride'? and not all females share the same political agenda. certainly there are females of all classes and ethnicities who have conflicting interests.
hey i was just joking around. who says i oppose having pride in your heritage? i just dislike a deliberate show of how asian you are. that's a true sign of insecurity.

so how do you define "girl power"?

[kasia]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jan 31 2003, 10:51 AM
hey i was just joking around. who says i oppose having pride in your heritage? i just dislike a deliberate show of how asian you are. that's a true sign of insecurity.

so how do you define "girl power"?
well, i'm talking about the deliberate showing of 'girl power'. this is a high school thing, too. girl power stickers, etc.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by kasia@Jan 31 2003, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jan 31 2003, 10:51 AM
hey i was just joking around.  who says i oppose having pride in your heritage?  i just dislike a deliberate show of how asian you are.  that's a true sign of insecurity.

so how do you define "girl power"?
well, i'm talking about the deliberate showing of 'girl power'. this is a high school thing, too. girl power stickers, etc.
not being female myself, i'm indifferent to it.

but i certainly don't like how guys sometimes deliberately show how macho they are, for the sake of... showing people how macho they are.

[kasia]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jan 31 2003, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by kasia@Jan 31 2003, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jan 31 2003, 10:51 AM
hey i was just joking around. who says i oppose having pride in your heritage? i just dislike a deliberate show of how asian you are. that's a true sign of insecurity.

so how do you define "girl power"?
well, i'm talking about the deliberate showing of 'girl power'. this is a high school thing, too. girl power stickers, etc.
not being female myself, i'm indifferent to it.

but i certainly don't like how guys sometimes deliberately show how macho they are, for the sake of... showing people how macho they are.
how males act is beside the point. my belief is that 'asian pride' and 'girl power' are both responses by minority groups to a mainstream message. further, it is not necessary for the groups to have members who share identical political agendas or backgrounds for them to respond in an identical way. the reason why they have this shared response is not because they are same - it is because the message given to them by the mainstream society - how they have been treated - is the same.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by kasia@Jan 31 2003, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jan 31 2003, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by kasia@Jan 31 2003, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jan 31 2003, 10:51 AM
hey i was just joking around. who says i oppose having pride in your heritage? i just dislike a deliberate show of how asian you are. that's a true sign of insecurity.

so how do you define "girl power"?
well, i'm talking about the deliberate showing of 'girl power'. this is a high school thing, too. girl power stickers, etc.
not being female myself, i'm indifferent to it.

but i certainly don't like how guys sometimes deliberately show how macho they are, for the sake of... showing people how macho they are.
how males act is beside the point. my belief is that 'asian pride' and 'girl power' are both responses by minority groups to a mainstream message. further, it is not necessary for the groups to have members who share identical political agendas or backgrounds for them to respond in an identical way. the reason why they have this shared response is not because they are same - it is because the message given to them by the mainstream society - how they have been treated - is the same.
if by "respond in an identical way" you mean driving around in rice rockets and hanging out exclusively with asian people while looking down on FOBs and white people alike, etc etc etc, then i certainly don't agree with that. if by "respond in an identical way" you mean supporting each other's political agendas, then i can agree with that.

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Originally posted by achtungbaby@Jan 31 2003, 12:10 PM
I don't even know about that. By his thinking, no matter how Koreanized I could become, I'd still be an American-born Korean, with the U.S. as my "natural" home...
heh, weird ... I've never had trouble thinking of the Bay Area and California at large as my natural home, no matter how much my friends tried to sinicize me ... but America? man before high school the farthest I'd ever gone from home was Utah, and that definitely didn't feel like a part of the expanse of land I'd call "home" ... New England was like a foreign country.

[ChairmanMah]

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Jan 31 2003, 06:49 PM
You mean the Spice Girls?

On the real, I'm down. But like i said too much in your face or anything taken to the extreme gets annoying for me.
like alanis morrisette. too much g. power in bad singing

[AngryABCGirl]

Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Jan 31 2003, 12:45 PM
heh, weird ... I've never had trouble thinking of the Bay Area and California at large as my natural home, no matter how much my friends tried to sinicize me ... but America? man before high school the farthest I'd ever gone from home was Utah, and that definitely didn't feel like a part of the expanse of land I'd call "home" ... New England was like a foreign country.
Yeah, America is kind of an ambigious term. If you think about it, America is actually really diverse in terms of how people live geographically.
I'm a sun-soaked Angelino whose married to her car and the city life. Up until I lived in New England(that place is more foreign to me than Shanghai) last summer I never I had been somewhere that wasn't diverse, and I had never been away from the city-life. That's kind of how I brought up this whole topic, although I didn't mean the whole "AzN pRyDe" thing because that's just lame and doesn't make much sense. It was really hard for me to deal with all these different kind of people because I wasn't use to being away from other ABAs. Most of my friends have all grown up with me in our predominatly Asian neighborhoods, and I think that gave us a chance to not Americanize as much as an Asian would living in a predominantly white community. The difference between me and them kind of opened my mind to how different and how angry we end up when we grow up. I'd react explosively to an assumption like, "All Asians are good at math," than the Asians who lived in white communities who didn't think it was a big deal.

[Commando_turned_MD]

What's the point?

We are all Americans here----meaning the folks who reside in the states.

I think all of this pride shit only separates us even more.....

Black history month...........BULLSHIT
ASIAN history month..................BULLSHIT
HISPANIC history month................Bullshit^10
Why not make a white history month as well.

[kasia]

Originally posted by armycommando_turned_doctor@Feb 2 2003, 01:13 AM
What's the point?

We are all Americans here----meaning the folks who reside in the states.

I think all of this pride shit only separates us even more.....

Black history month...........BULLSHIT
ASIAN history month..................BULLSHIT
HISPANIC history month................Bullshit^10
Why not make a white history month as well.
because every month is white history month.

out of curiosity, do you view diversity as a bad thing?

[Fireblade]

Originally posted by kasia@Jan 30 2003, 11:48 AM
my thoughts exactly. a lot of those kids grew up in white suburbs and didn't feel comfortable asserting their asian identity until they hit middle school or high school. if you've been an asian kid in a predominantly white school, you may know what it's like hide your asianness. i was embarassed every time my parents packed me a chinese lunch (chasiubaos, potstickers, rice, etc.), the fact that my parents watched chinese television at home, my parents speaking chinese to me during open house, etc. the worst part was that i was in touch with my asian side. i also watched chinese television, listened to the chinese radio, enjoyed having dim sum in chinatown with my family every week. i kept this entire side of me from my white friends because they would have thought i was weird. (usually, kids at the elementary school and even middle school level aren't into asserting their individuality. conformity is key.)

and so...we have kids who have suppressed a whole side of themselves for much of their lives. then, they finally meet asian friends in middle school and high school who share common interests. i met my first non-white-washed asian friend from my school district in 8th grade during a slumber party. somehow during the night, we discovered that we both liked leon lai. mind you, until then, i had no other friends that were into chinese music. we immediately bonded, became best friends, and sang leon lai songs all night (the white kids thought we were crazy). but for the first time in both of our lives, we had our asian interests validated by a peer. for the first time, we realized that it could actually be "cool" to be asian. slowly, we sought out every asian kid in our school district, and asian pride became a huge thing for us. and yes, we were the kids who wrote 'azn pryde!' in our notebooks, who threw asian dances, who had asian club picnics, who even shouted 'asian pride' in the halls. some of us just felt very relieved and happy that it was acceptable to be asian-american.

frankly, i don't think one would understand the concept of "asian pride" unless has spent the vast of his childhood in the united states - especially in a white neighborhood.
Wow. Living in the bay area, in San Francisco, it was actually quite the opposite for me.
From middle school up until my sophomore year in college, everyone around me was really really into Chinese/Asian culture. More than half my friends were immigrants who had immigrated to this country. Back then, all of them spoke chinese, and talked about Hong Kong constantly, and held conversations about Dragon Ball, and HK Pop Stars.
Even though my family was similar to theirs... like kasia's, which consisted of eating rice everyday, and watchin Chinese television, I wasn't as asian as the others. I sure as heck couldn't speak much cantonese. And I was way too far behind on Chinese Pop media. Like... Faye Wong's relationship with a 19 year old man, etc, etc. I was stuck with just playing my video games.
So for a while I was the outsider of my own culture. Even nowadays, some of my asian friends say "what?! U listen to John Mayer? What? You want to be white?" I mean, come on... I love my heritage. But do I gotta parade around and scream it out loud all the friggin time? No. Being cultural enlightened is good, but just pointing out the obvious is stupid.
I think, like in the past posts by other members, it's better to cherish and honor your culture, than list *AznPryde* all the time, and chant it's mantra all the time. When I was younger, I thought it was justified that I hate Whitey (I kinda still hold a grudge though) and all things were racist. Then I remember when I got sick of african-americans who said the exact same thing. So I shifted my point of view. I think it's more beneficial if you show your pride, by contributing to the community. My friend Ty Chea, is a great example of this. Though he puts out his "Cambodian Gene" (sorry if I spelled it wrong) a couple of times, (it's a running joke) he puts a lot of time and effort helping out disadvantaged kids at his workplace. He mentors students, and raises cultural awareness. That, to me is Asian Pride.
Anyway, this post has gone on long enough, and it's just my opinon. Spread the word good people. :lol:

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by kasia@Jan 31 2003, 06:41 PM
just for comparison's sake, how do those of you who are opposed to the concept of 'asian pride' feel about the concept of 'girl power'?
The empowerment of women is great, that is unless it carries double standards.

The women's movement for the most part advocates:
Equal employment and advancement opportunity and salaries for women.
For women to be considered as equals to men in sociality, including on sexual behavior, where a woman who sleeps with 15 guys will not be considered a slut, just as how a man who does the same is considered a stud by his peers.
To be free of the expectation to do housework and child care.

But women still expect:
Men to pay for everything.
Men to buy presents and surprise them.
Men to know what they are feeling and thinking at all times and act accordingly.
Men to open doors and pull out chairs for them.
Men to wait for them to get off of sinking ships.


LOL

I don't have any beef with the women's movement. Just I have beef with women's activists. Some of whom I have seen following men around with megaphones telling them that they can't have their cunts.

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by Fireblade@Feb 2 2003, 01:44 PM
Even nowadays, some of my asian friends say "what?! U listen to John Mayer? What? You want to be white?"
That's another one of those stupid things that I don't understand about Asian pride.

You can't like any form of art that isn't asian whitout people criticizing you.

[Great Emptiness]

The eyes see forms outside,
but inside there is nothing.
The ears hear external sounds,
but the mind does not know.

[angelwiththesword]

to cope with the fact that i live around many many horribly horribly old and dangerously senile white people, i became an old fashioned white washed gentleman.

but over the past few years, i have been seeking to embrace my heritage as a chinese person.
so yeah.
i show my pride by flaunting all the neato stuffs that chinese people have ^_^

[FlareZz]

my answer to the original question is that i started a student organization on campus and got involved politically and socially through internships and networking with other colleges.