the goal of yellowworld

[kasia]

...is to cultivate asian american consciousness. how has the site influenced your view of being an asian-american?

[SunWuKong]

your avatar... it's staring at me... i feel like i need to be on my best behavior...

[lethal]

I think I'm more militant than I used to be. Maybe in the past I would have ignored a slight or just dismissed it as some ignorant fool. Now, I'm more inclined to take action to correct a fault or to educate the unaware. Maybe this makes me more militant.

I'm definately more aware of different ideas by and of Asian Americans.

[SunWuKong]

hey! you didn't need to change your avatar! it's a good pic!

[lethal]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jan 13 2003, 12:02 AM
hey! you didn't need to change your avatar! it's a good pic!
Bring back kasie!

[mrazntre]

AND so that we can have stimulating meetings such as in the case of Anna Guo.

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by mrazntre@Jan 12 2003, 09:14 PM
AND so that we can have stimulating meetings such as in the case of Anna Guo.
Would've been more stimulating if we kicked that guy's ass.

[AliBabaIncorporated]

to be honest I'm a bit uncomfortable to think of the goal of yellowworld as being "the promotion of Asian-American consciousness." Despite living in the US and being Asian, I can't be an Asian-American. I'm not sure I'd want to claim that identity as my own anyway.

essentially, what I have learned from participating in Asian-American sites in general, of which YW is the latest, is that the Asian-American identity is focused on the relations of Asians in the US to white mainstream America, to the exclusion of addressing our internal problems or developing our cultures and communities to leave a legacy we can pass on to our children. attempts to address those problems inevitably break down into argument and lead to no action.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Jan 13 2003, 12:55 AM
Despite living in the US and being Asian, I can't be an Asian-American. I'm not sure I'd want to claim that identity as my own anyway.

you feel you can't be an asian american? because of how other asians in the US perceive you because you're mixed?

yeah i've been a little unsure about claiming asian american as an identity. i feel first and foremost overseas chinese, then chinese american. not so sure about asian american and in fact it was pretty apparent today when i helped an old korean lady out and she didn't speak english. i was thinking - well me helping her out is no different than a white dude helping her out.


Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Jan 13 2003, 12:55 AM
the Asian-American identity is focused on the relations of Asians in the US to white mainstream America, to the exclusion of addressing our internal problems or developing our cultures and communities to leave a legacy we can pass on to our children.

definitely agreed.

[kasia]

Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Jan 12 2003, 09:55 PM
to be honest I'm a bit uncomfortable to think of the goal of yellowworld as being "the promotion of Asian-American consciousness." Despite living in the US and being Asian, I can't be an Asian-American. I'm not sure I'd want to claim that identity as my own anyway.

essentially, what I have learned from participating in Asian-American sites in general, of which YW is the latest, is that the Asian-American identity is focused on the relations of Asians in the US to white mainstream America, to the exclusion of addressing our internal problems or developing our cultures and communities to leave a legacy we can pass on to our children. attempts to address those problems inevitably break down into argument and lead to no action.
how would you define "asian-american"?

re: addressing internal problems/developing our own cultures and communities - i think those are important issues. let's do it. and try to refrain from getting at each others throats. at least the first one -- i think you're correct in saying that it hasn't been seriously discussed.

[kasia]

Originally posted by lethalweapon@Jan 12 2003, 09:05 PM
Bring back kasie!
but i feel like being a monster right now :)

i will bring it back - thanks for editing them for me, LT.

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Originally posted by kasia@Jan 13 2003, 04:28 AM
how would you define "asian-american"?
by recursion. :lol: :lol: :lol: WARNING: if you understand this joke, you are a nerd. seek professional help.

Seriously, I would define as Asian-American anyone who claims that their primary identity is that of "Asian-American" (as opposed to saying first that they are overseas Chinese, Chinese-American, a "person of color," or identifying with another race to which they trace their ancestry), and is accepted by most other self-identified Asian-Americans as an Asian-American.

(recursion without a base case? ah nuts, there goes the stack :lol: :lol: :lol: :nerd: )

[contra_diction]

hmmm, i never thought about asian-american like that. makes me think, now.

[kasia]

Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Jan 13 2003, 01:48 AM
by recursion. :lol: :lol: :lol: WARNING: if you understand this joke, you are a nerd. seek professional help.

Seriously, I would define as Asian-American anyone who claims that their primary identity is that of "Asian-American" (as opposed to saying first that they are overseas Chinese, Chinese-American, a "person of color," or identifying with another race to which they trace their ancestry), and is accepted by most other self-identified Asian-Americans as an Asian-American.

(recursion without a base case? ah nuts, there goes the stack :lol: :lol: :lol: :nerd: )
can't you do both? i identify myself culturally as a chinese-american, but politically as an asian-american - but arguably one can identify himself politically as both a chinese-american and asian-american. maybe i'll start a thread on this...

[ren28]

I feel the need to pass information, thoughts or help out if I can. Sometimes it's not worth it and sometimes it is. This site in particular has a lot of good folks with open minds and the ability to use objective reasoning. Some other sites have mostly lemmings, trolls, ego driven users and users that cannot believe the truth when it's staring them in the face. I hope this place does not turn into another meat market site with "a/s/l" and TyPinG LiKe DiS and thinking it's the way to type.

[axi0m]

Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Jan 13 2003, 09:48 AM
by recursion. :lol: :lol: :lol: WARNING: if you understand this joke, you are a nerd. seek professional help.

Seriously, I would define as Asian-American anyone who claims that their primary identity is that of "Asian-American" (as opposed to saying first that they are overseas Chinese, Chinese-American, a "person of color," or identifying with another race to which they trace their ancestry), and is accepted by most other self-identified Asian-Americans as an Asian-American.

(recursion without a base case? ah nuts, there goes the stack :lol: :lol: :lol: :nerd: )
Is it bad if I get this joke, and me and my friends make jokes like this all the time?

Oh, and I don't identify as Asian-American because I don't think I have enough Japanese blood in me to without seeming poser-ish. But, I plan on living in Japan and raising my kids as a normal Japanese family would.

-Satoshi-

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Jan 13 2003, 04:48 AM
by recursion. :lol: :lol: :lol: WARNING: if you understand this joke, you are a nerd. seek professional help.

Seriously, I would define as Asian-American anyone who claims that their primary identity is that of "Asian-American" (as opposed to saying first that they are overseas Chinese, Chinese-American, a "person of color," or identifying with another race to which they trace their ancestry), and is accepted by most other self-identified Asian-Americans as an Asian-American.

(recursion without a base case? ah nuts, there goes the stack :lol: :lol: :lol: :nerd: )
hahahah i need professional help then...

but i was thinking more long the lines of proving by induction. first you start with rice... :dance: :nerd:

[VV o n g B a]

Originally posted by ren28@Jan 13 2003, 05:45 AM
I feel the need to pass information, thoughts or help out if I can. Sometimes it's not worth it and sometimes it is. This site in particular has a lot of good folks with open minds and the ability to use objective reasoning. Some other sites have mostly lemmings, trolls, ego driven users and users that cannot believe the truth when it's staring them in the face. I hope this place does not turn into another meat market site with "a/s/l" and TyPinG LiKe DiS and thinking it's the way to type.
like it or not, its part of the online apa culture. while i tend to think ppl who use that typing are childish, i wouldn't mind seeing a little bit of it just b/c they are a significant part of the community. i wonder if some of them come here and feel like they're being straight-jacketed by all the normal typing. :P

[SunWuKong]

iris: a/s/l?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[iris]

65/hermaphrodite/hell (otherwise known as Bentonville, Arkansas) - I like long walks on the beach, poetry, and tons of roses. Swedish men, fast cars, and expensive dinners.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by iris@Jan 13 2003, 10:46 AM
65/hermaphrodite/hell (otherwise known as Bentonville, Arkansas) - I like long walks on the beach, poetry, and tons of roses. Swedish men, fast cars, and expensive dinners.
oh cool! you like long walks on the beach!

[artsfartsyjanet]

I think YW has good intentions, and the forums are very engaging, but the whole "Asian American" identity isn't just a simplified label that not everyone really identifies as their own. We are really a mosaic of endless hues and experiences. Perhaps, the label serves to unite, but the label may leave a lot of people feeling blurred about how they define themselves. These people have a lot to say and offer us as well even if they hesitate to label themselves as part of the Asian American consciousness.

[wylin]

i thought the point of this site was to unite the old men Tre and AB with pubecent girls Karizma and Saiko. =X

[YuheiCarreau]

Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Jan 12 2003, 11:55 PM
to be honest I'm a bit uncomfortable to think of the goal of yellowworld as being "the promotion of Asian-American consciousness." Despite living in the US and being Asian, I can't be an Asian-American. I'm not sure I'd want to claim that identity as my own anyway.
There's no shame in that... I feel much the same way. I think it's something that a lot of American Hapas, especially those with a FOBish Asian parent, have to deal with. It's not so much that I think being an AA is bad, I just don't think it's what I am; I feel it would be disrespectful to my Caucasian American mother to claim only Asian American identity, as well as to my Japanese father, who never took my mother's citizenship when they married and had to be threatened with deportation by the INS before applying for a greencard. Ultimately, I consider myself a peripheral member of the AA community (or political movement, or 'figment of the imagination', or whatever you wanna call it :D ), because I'm percieved as AA by most Americans and most AA concerns overlap with Hapa issues, yet I don't ever expect to be held up as an example of Asian America or to have most AAs live my lifestyle.

[pfc beansprout]

ummm...skimmed thru replies so maybe thread got misdirected...but my answer to orig question....YW i think has helped me keep up to date on issues and news....matter of fact, i think it was the halloween article that i got the link from....the one w/that gay ass mask....ever since then, it's been a resource.... :rolleyes:

[Fireblade]

Originally posted by pfc beansprout@Jan 13 2003, 09:54 PM
ummm...skimmed thru replies so maybe thread got misdirected...but my answer to orig question....YW i think has helped me keep up to date on issues and news....matter of fact, i think it was the halloween article that i got the link from....the one w/that gay ass mask....ever since then, it's been a resource.... :rolleyes:
I agree with PFC. That's why I'm here. To really enlighten myself about the issues that surround the asian american community. If it's about injustice, cars, relationships, or what not. Yea, it's really just a community of people who share information, but it's all ok, because we can connect or relate in some way. And if not, we can debate about it, and still not end up hating those who oppose it.

Oh yea, I agree with Ren on the whole community that appears to be dicks in general. You won't believe the Aol chatrooms. Never have I felt more ashamed of online communities than hearing some bopper-ish girls talk in different colored font, asking some guys if they're flossing the ice, etc, etc. Or the guys who prey on that ONE girl in the chatroom, and the chick just savoring all the attention. <_<

That's why I'm here. Cuz this place is the best. :D

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Originally posted by YuheiCarreau@Jan 14 2003, 12:01 AM
There's no shame in that... I feel much the same way. I think it's something that a lot of American Hapas, especially those with a FOBish Asian parent, have to deal with. It's not so much that I think being an AA is bad, I just don't think it's what I am; I feel it would be disrespectful to my Caucasian American mother to claim only Asian American identity, as well as to my Japanese father, who never took my mother's citizenship when they married and had to be threatened with deportation by the INS before applying for a greencard. Ultimately, I consider myself a peripheral member of the AA community (or political movement, or 'figment of the imagination', or whatever you wanna call it :D ), because I'm percieved as AA by most Americans and most AA concerns overlap with Hapa issues, yet I don't ever expect to be held up as an example of Asian America or to have most AAs live my lifestyle.
Heh, actually I identify myself as overseas Chinese. My reluctance to identify as Asian-American stems from the cultural gap I feel between myself and AAs. Maybe at the beginning of high school I had some of the same issues and values as them ... but then I got turned into a quasi-FOB through my friends' aggressive program of Sinification (damn cultural imperialists, those HKers).

This identification as overseas Chinese is of course equally "disrespectful" to my mother, who was born in Philippines and raised in the US and considers herself a Filipina-American, and to my dad who was born and raised in California and identifies as a German-American. I've discussed it with them and they've reluctantly accepted that I don't identify with or in fact really care about either of their cultures. They came to realize, basically it's their fault cuz they both know they did absolutely nothing to expose me to the culture in childhood.

Though you seem to have a good grounding inthe cultures of both your parents and I don't mean to question your identification, personally I've always felt that for many EAs it's a bit odd to feel they're disrespecting their Asian parent by not "identifying" as Asian, since many of them are just plain old racially-mixed Americans, and to put it bluntly if they're worrying about disrespecting their Asian parent's cultural identity they've already committed a hell of a lot of disrespect by not knowing the language or how to function around the natives of the culture (the exact same problem of many unmixed AAs). Their parent is their parent, as long as the kid identifies with the parent personally and isn't ashamed to say "That's my dad, he's Asian," it shouldn't matter whether they want to include the word "Asian" in some part of how they label themselves and their identity. People should identify as a member of the culture(s) not just which they feel they can claim as their own based on ancestry, but in which they can actually function as an independent adult.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Jan 14 2003, 04:46 PM
but then I got turned into a quasi-FOB through my friends' aggressive program of Sinification (damn cultural imperialists, those HKers).
resistance is futile. you will be sinified.
first HH, now you. who's up next for sinification?

[lethal]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jan 14 2003, 04:54 PM
resistance is futile. you will be sinified.
first HH, now you. who's up next for sinification?
I thought you were going to fob up iris.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by lethalweapon@Jan 14 2003, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jan 14 2003, 04:54 PM
resistance is futile. you will be sinified.
first HH, now you. who's up next for sinification?
I thought you were going to fob up iris.
oh yeah...
well i'll be good to my fellow HK bros and let them do it to her

then they'll be doing the banana dance ---> http://www.slantedeyes.com/dancing_banana.gifhttp://www.slantedeyes.com/dancing_banana.gifhttp://www.slantedeyes.com/dancing_banana.gif

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Originally posted by ren28@Jan 13 2003, 11:45 AM
I feel the need to pass information, thoughts or help out if I can. Sometimes it's not worth it and sometimes it is. This site in particular has a lot of good folks with open minds and the ability to use objective reasoning. Some other sites have mostly lemmings, trolls, ego driven users and users that cannot believe the truth when it's staring them in the face. I hope this place does not turn into another meat market site with "a/s/l" and TyPinG LiKe DiS and thinking it's the way to type.
WhO'd wAnNa TyPe LiK DiS anyways? It takes way too long and I am way too lazy to make it happen.

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Jan 12 2003, 09:55 PM
to be honest I'm a bit uncomfortable to think of the goal of yellowworld as being "the promotion of Asian-American consciousness."
Actually, the official slogan is "Asian consciousness":)

[kasia]

Originally posted by FrozenPizza@Jan 14 2003, 03:49 PM
WhO'd wAnNa TyPe LiK DiS anyways? It takes way too long and I am way too lazy to make it happen.
there's a program that allows you to type like that...or so i've been told. i think it's kinda neat...in a way, it's part of the young asian american culture.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by kasia@Jan 14 2003, 07:39 PM
there's a program that allows you to type like that...or so i've been told. i think it's kinda neat...in a way, it's part of the young asian american culture.
i've written one before.
it's simple.

[lethal]

Its a program??? I never knew that...I thought Asian youth were just using the shift key a lot.

[igcognito]

[SIZE=14]Originally posted by lethalweapon@Jan 13 2003, 04:54 AM
I think I'm more militant than I used to be. Maybe in the past I would have ignored a slight or just dismissed it as some ignorant fool. Now, I'm more inclined to take action to correct a fault or to educate the unaware. Maybe this makes me more militant.

I'm definately more aware of different ideas by and of Asian Americans.
another psycho on the loose. :D


Well since I am not an Asian American, I can't say cool stuff like, "It made me proud to be an Asian American". But I can truthfully say, that though I may act very ignorant at times, I honestly, learn a lot from this site and boards. These boards, though they are focus'd on the "yellow"-side of things, can actually be very helpful and encouraging with other views.

Though some of the people disagree with what I say, and I find some people to be a little, conservative or militantly "pro-white". These boards are a good influence, on me. I would always stick up for something that was wrong, but I never knew exactly why it was wrong, ie oriental. I probably should not be posting here, I don't fit into ANY of the demographics for these boards, I am young and black, therefore meaning I am a criminal (damn sarcasm). Oddly enough I relate, "wasabi-wannabe", not to the issue itself, but it being applied to my culture or race. And I of course relate to the people, you guys are quite entertaining. I don't know where this is going. I know you guys may not feel this way, but I LOVE YOU GUYS, :cry: !! Well, not really but you guys know what I mean.

I think everyone knows, that if someone didn't want me. I would leave. It is not like, I "belong" sorta speak, but . . .

SIMPLY PUT "YW 0VVnZ".







and can someone get blkazngrl to sleep with me lol

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by lethalweapon@Jan 14 2003, 10:34 PM
Its a program??? I never knew that...I thought Asian youth were just using the shift key a lot.
no, they hit the shift key a lot
it's just that i was bored one night during my prolonged unemployment and i decided to write a program that did that :P

[kasia]

Originally posted by igcognito@Jan 14 2003, 08:11 PM
Well since I am not an Asian American, I can't say cool stuff like, "It made me proud to be an Asian American". But I can truthfully say, that though I may act very ignorant at times, I honestly, learn a lot from this site and boards. These boards, though they are focus'd on the "yellow"-side of things, can actually be very helpful and encouraging with other views.

Though some of the people disagree with what I say, and I find some people to be a little, conservative or militantly "pro-white". These boards are a good influence, on me. I would always stick up for something that was wrong, but I never knew exactly why it was wrong, ie oriental. I probably should not be posting here, I don't fit into ANY of the demographics for these boards, I am young and black, therefore meaning I am a criminal (damn sarcasm). Oddly enough I relate, "wasabi-wannabe", not to the issue itself, but it being applied to my culture or race. And I of course relate to the people, you guys are quite entertaining. I don't know where this is going. I know you guys may not feel this way, but I LOVE YOU GUYS, :cry: !! Well, not really but you guys know what I mean.

I think everyone knows, that if someone didn't want me. I would leave. It is not like, I "belong" sorta speak, but . . .

SIMPLY PUT "YW 0VVnZ".
minorities need to stick together.

did you know that, in the california prisons, it's blacks and asians against mexicans and whites? not that i approve of the division, but it's strange how we end up as allies in prison. maybe we have more in common than we may think?

[deez nuts]

I don't buy into the fact that minorities always have to stick together. I would say Asians have to stick together more than all minorities have to stick together first. Sometimes the other minorities is the source of the problem for Asians.

That's odd about the prison thing. Because from what my NYPD friends tell me in the NY prisons you stick with your race and it's basically a free for all amongst the races in there. Asians tend to be picked on the most in there. But if anything, they told me it's the Latins that side with the Asians.

Relations between minorities is probably different in different states, What might apply to California, might not apply here in New York in some issues and cases.

[SunWuKong]

yeah doc, more viet and cambo gangs in cali probably.
i agree with bunboy, i don't subscribe to the idea that all minorities need to stick together.

[tapestrybabe]

Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated @ Jan 12 2003@09:55 PM
to be honest I'm a bit uncomfortable to think of the goal of yellowworld as being "the promotion of Asian-American consciousness."

Originally posted by achtungbaby@Jan 14 2003, 06:53 PM
Actually, the official slogan is "Asian consciousness":)
Eh... i knew i wasnt being delusional... thinking this site being towards Asian consciousness...

Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated @ Jan 13 2003@12:55 AM
essentially, what I have learned from participating in Asian-American sites in general, of which YW is the latest, is that the Asian-American identity is focused on the relations of Asians in the US to white mainstream America, to the exclusion of addressing our internal problems or developing our cultures and communities to leave a legacy we can pass on to our children.

but yeah, i agree with this statement...

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Jan 14 2003, 09:46 PM
People should identify as a member of the culture(s) not just which they feel they can claim as their own based on ancestry, but in which they can actually function as an independent adult.
I see what you are saying, but by that logic I have more claim to being culturally Japanese than culturally Korean. Blood certainly is not everything, but you can't ignore it alltogether.

[moschikat]

Originally posted by lethalweapon@Jan 14 2003, 07:34 PM
Its a program??? I never knew that...I thought Asian youth were just using the shift key a lot.
i just thought their shift key broke or something . . . :lol:


i am uhm, more aware of current issues - and i get homework help :P

[achtungbaby]

This discussion is being continued here: http://forums.yellowworld.org/index.php?ac...=ST&f=36&t=5661 (http://forums.yellowworld.org/index.php?act=ST&f=36&t=5661)

Closing...

[tapestrybabe]

the cultivation of a social and political asian consciousness...

is it just me whose just feeling it at the moment...
'Who Exactly is Asian American...
http://forums.yellowworld.org/index.php?s=...=36&t=833&st=45 (http://forums.yellowworld.org/index.php?s=&act=ST&f=36&t=833&st=45)

South Asians: Do you consider them your asian too??
http://forums.yellowworld.org/index.php?ac...&f=36&t=5698&s= (http://forums.yellowworld.org/index.php?act=ST&f=36&t=5698&s=)