Have you ever been watched while shopping?

[kasia]

racial profiling was a problem i thought only applied to blacks.

last year though, i found that many asian high school girls were being profiled at the malls. followed and harassed by security guards. called "chinks" when actually caught stealing.

i know none of us are theives ( :wink: ) but have any of you all been targeted racially at the malls?

'the icing', i heard, was a store that profiled young asian girls.

[Josh12]

I am not a little Asian girl but I have gone into my local supermarket. The cracker saw me while I was walking in the opposite direction by him. I could see out of the corner of my eye the round-eye was staring. Then I went down a aisle to get some food and he made sure to walk by me and stare. Then when I was in line he made sure to be around the area and stare at me. This has also happened else where. So I say the fuck them for doing that. :evil:

[ImrkevinpakI]

Hey josh. I would;ve asked what the fuck are you following me around for. It happened at the mall too. I am not a female, but this white guy was following me around alot and i asked why the hell are you following me ( yes those were my lines...) he just gave alittle smile and walked off.

I feel sorry for the asian girls.

[kasia]

i guess my point is that they're starting to see past the model minority myth. and i don't know if that's a good or bad thing.

[achtungbaby]

[quote:ac66853c70="kasia"]i know none of us are theives ( :wink: ) but have any of you all been targeted racially at the malls?

'the icing', i heard, was a store that profiled young asian girls.[/quote:ac66853c70]

Wow, alright! Now white people know we're not just geniuses, dragon ladies and kung-fu masters, but we'll still your shit, too!

[angelnympho]

people stare at anyone they're initially suspicious of... i know a lot of non-asians who get followed too. i think its just a sign that we're beginning to become part of the american society... yay!

[inkpainter]

...i think people fear or are leary of things/people/cultures they don't understand...what i've experienced here in the south is that most people more so older people than younger...tend to judge people based on the stereotypes of their cultures...which is sad...people are people...(kick's away soap box)...and teenage girls are just that teenagers...not matter what their ethnicity......i'd have every asian organization i could think of breathing down that security companies neck..and help give them some unwanted publicity in a couple of local papers...it's amazing when you hit they're bottom line how they squirm...just look what happened to denny's in florida....lost millions in a lawsuit because of racial descrimination towards african americans

[DaBestSpooner]

My gf always gets harrassed by black guys and spanish guys. She's always getting groped or followed. For the most part I think it has to do with the way asian parents teach their kids not to make a scene, so they usually keep it quiet instead of making a ruckus, or because this sort of thing doesnt happen in asia. I tell her all time, that she has nothing to be embarassed about when your embarassing the guy by making a scene. I also told her to spray pepper spray in their eyes, ears, mouth, and crotch.

[Focker]

nah dude, esp since the stereotypes still in their minds, you don't want your girl to be startin trouble. guessin she's a skinny asian girl that other colors see as exotic and shit. don't have her do anything that makes her uncomfortable, if its not her, they'll be able to tell and react to it. just buy her a gun.

[achtungbaby]

[quote:893edbc0dd="DaBestSpooner"]I also told her to spray pepper spray in their eyes, ears, mouth, and crotch.[/quote:893edbc0dd]

A pepper bath!

[Saiko]

Egh. I get groped, followed, hit on, and harassed too. Sometimes it's "Damn, look at that booty" and sometimes it's "Out of my way, stupid Chink". Usually I quicken my pace and keep going, but sometimes I just tell them to shove it. Depends what they're doing or saying. But man, it's freaky when it's dark and the streets are empty except for one person that seems to be going wherever you go. It's even freaky in daylight. I've been followed by two guys in a van once. Not fun.
I'm even banned from a store for doing absolutely nothing.
I'm being raised in an area with very few Asians. Not that I mind. But it makes it more likely to get racially discriminated. Blech. Racism can go bite me.

[princess]

ive had security guards follow me around before or stop me and start quetioning me for no apparant reason. i tend to hang out in areas with lots of asians, tho, so it doesnt happen around there -- only when im in areas where there arent many.

[kasia]

[quote:7706eab048="princess"]ive had security guards follow me around before or stop me and start quetioning me for no apparant reason. i tend to hang out in areas with lots of asians, tho, so it doesnt happen around there -- only when im in areas where there arent many.[/quote:7706eab048]

where in cali do you get profiled?

[kasia]

[quote:8a5f74a166="princess"]ive had security guards follow me around before or stop me and start quetioning me for no apparant reason. i tend to hang out in areas with lots of asians, tho, so it doesnt happen around there -- only when im in areas where there arent many.[/quote:8a5f74a166]

where in cali do you get profiled?

[Josh12]

If you are going to offend them back (specifically towards whites).
Just tell them white people are potential human beings...they haven't evolved yet.

[princess]

[quote:a1b221b93b="kasia"][quote:a1b221b93b="princess"]ive had security guards follow me around before or stop me and start quetioning me for no apparant reason. i tend to hang out in areas with lots of asians, tho, so it doesnt happen around there -- only when im in areas where there arent many.[/quote:a1b221b93b]

where in cali do you get profiled?[/quote:a1b221b93b]

it happened to me up in watsonville and petaluma. i go up there a lot.

[ChinaLama]

Hmm ok w/ all the profiling of Arabs cuz supposedly a lot of them are terrorists, I started thinking about who we DONt think of profiling.

Who are the most threatening people who hate the American gov't in this country?? What was the SECOND largest terrorist attack on domestic soil??

Oklahoma City, 1994.

Militias, neo-Confederates, Christian Fundamentalist Cultists.

Second to Arabs, THOSE are the ppl we think are most dangerous to the Fed Gov't. so how come ppl w/ Southern or Midwestern accents, where these organizations are located, are NOT profiled at airports or when entering gov't buildings? Don't they have a greater "statistical" likelihood of blowing up buildings, at least fed gov buildings?


I think part of racism isn't so much what people DO see, but what they choose NOT to see as well...

[princess]

oh and i juss remembered...when we were in pennsylvania we were watched VERY CAREFULLY almost everywhere we went cuz we were the only asians. i remember walking into a mcdonalds and for the first time in my life i was the only minority in the restaurant of the golden arches.

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by ChinaLama@Jul 2 2002, 09:55 PM
Second to Arabs, THOSE are the ppl we think are most dangerous to the Fed Gov't. so how come ppl w/ Southern or Midwestern accents, where these organizations are located, are NOT profiled at airports or when entering gov't buildings? Don't they have a greater "statistical" likelihood of blowing up buildings, at least fed gov buildings?


I think part of racism isn't so much what people DO see, but what they choose NOT to see as well...

Yep, American Psychos scare me much more than any Osama. I can at least understand Osama at some level -- he has an agenda and those white devils are constantly in his way. But guys like David Koresh or Timothy McVeigh...?!

Maybe the underlying message is really, "white people are scarier than anyone else"... :twisted:

[Arex]

Racial profiling of Asian-American youths (including females) in California is not a new thing. I'm sure you heard about the "gang books" that the police in Orange County were compiling back in 1994? Apparently, the police in Westminster would randomly stop and detain Asian-American youths on the street and take their photographs for their books merely on the suspicion of associating with gangs. The stats I read showed that of 716 photographed in Westminster, 72% were Asian and 21% Latino, while Westminster is 69.8% white.

Though I'm not a little Asian girl, I've experienced racial profiling as an Asian on at least two occasions.

The first time, my Chinese-American friend and I were driving through Westwood in his then new 1995 Accord during the early evening hours. We drove by an LAPD officer at all times obeying the traffic laws. Next thing we know, we're being pulled over. When he gets to the window, the cop says the reason we're being pulled over is because "it's a new car (i.e., no plates) and [he] just wanted to make sure it wasn't stolen." He asks to see my friend's license and has him remove the paper registration from the window. Then he lets us go on our merry way. Though it's possible that the dude pulls over every new car that drives by, I sincerely doubt we would've been pulled over had we been Caucasian. This is at fucking UCLA!!

Second time, I was driving up from Buena Park in my brother's then-new 3 Series convertible with the top down. I see the CHP officer creeping up from behind so I set the cruise to 65 and pull over to the second lane. Next thing I know, the motorcycle pulls along side me, takes a quick look at my face, drops back behind me and pulls me over. The first words out of his mouth? "Is this your car?" Of course this is my fucking car (or at least my brother's) you fucking dumbass pig. Out of fairness to the officer, he might just have been "agist" as I was only 21 at the time and probably looked closer to 18 or so and maybe it looked kind of weird that I was driving a relatively nice car. Or, he may have mistakenly racially profiled me as a Latino (which is every bit as bad) as I did have a shaved head at the time. Then again, he got a good look at my face when he pulled up next to me so I'm pretty sure I was profiled as an Asian.

I don't even want to imagine what it's like elsewhere...

Alex

[kasia]

let's go to riverside and start speeding up and down the highways one day.

[blkazngirl]

Racism is due to another persons being un-comfortable with the opposite race.

:angry:

[Green_Circle]

regarding the security guards it may be that they are perverts and are using their color of authority to follow you around when actually they are being lecherous and doing a good job of hiding it since none of you has suspected it yet, right? Then they have a pretext to grope and search you and will even try to make you strip search if they thought they could get away with it. :ph34r:

[kasia]

Originally posted by Green_Circle@Oct 4 2002, 10:47 AM
regarding the security guards it may be that they are perverts and are using their color of authority to follow you around when actually they are being lecherous and doing a good job of hiding it since none of you has suspected it yet, right? Then they have a pretext to grope and search you and will even try to make you strip search if they thought they could get away with it. :ph34r:
i wouldn't strike that out as a possibility. they may target young girls because they are less likely to recognize sexual harrassment and/or less likely to know how to report it. i don't even know if this is a stereotype or not, but asian girls tend to be less vocal when picked on.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by ChinaLama@Jul 3 2002, 05:55 AM
Hmm ok w/ all the profiling of Arabs cuz supposedly a lot of them are terrorists, I started thinking about who we DONt think of profiling.

Who are the most threatening people who hate the American gov't in this country?? What was the SECOND largest terrorist attack on domestic soil??

Oklahoma City, 1994.

Militias, neo-Confederates, Christian Fundamentalist Cultists.

Second to Arabs, THOSE are the ppl we think are most dangerous to the Fed Gov't. so how come ppl w/ Southern or Midwestern accents, where these organizations are located, are NOT profiled at airports or when entering gov't buildings? Don't they have a greater "statistical" likelihood of blowing up buildings, at least fed gov buildings?


I think part of racism isn't so much what people DO see, but what they choose NOT to see as well...
It's easier to target minorities because of jsut that... they are minorities. The reason why it's called *racism* is because it's one race trying to exert power over another. It wouldn't make sense for white supremacists to target other whites, now would it?

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by achtungbaby@Jul 3 2002, 08:19 AM
Originally posted by ChinaLama@Jul 2 2002, 09:55 PM
Second to Arabs, THOSE are the ppl we think are most dangerous to the Fed Gov't. so how come ppl w/ Southern or Midwestern accents, where these organizations are located, are NOT profiled at airports or when entering gov't buildings? Don't they have a greater "statistical" likelihood of blowing up buildings, at least fed gov buildings?


I think part of racism isn't so much what people DO see, but what they choose NOT to see as well...

Yep, American Psychos scare me much more than any Osama. I can at least understand Osama at some level -- he has an agenda and those white devils are constantly in his way. But guys like David Koresh or Timothy McVeigh...?!

Maybe the underlying message is really, "white people are scarier than anyone else"... :twisted:
My boyfriend likes to scare the people he works with. They think they're all badass 'cuz they're black and whatnot, so he always just reminds them that all those creepy people-eating serial killers have all been white. He says "you can gang up on me and beat the crap out of me, but i'll turn around and feed your kids to you. us white people? yeah, we're CRAZY." hahaha. the black guys thought it was hilarious.

[amietron]

Originally posted by kasia@Jul 3 2002, 09:29 AM
let's go to riverside and start speeding up and down the highways one day.
i have family in riverside. my grandma, 2 uncles, 1 aunt, my uncle's longtime gf/wife, and cousin kevin. can't say that i've been pulled over on the road when with my parents or my cousin. he's 20.

as much as this profiling has to do with race, don't you think it has to do with social class also? if someone walks into your store wearing grungy rags i think you'd look at them for a few more seconds that you would at someone who is dressed in just a jeans and t-shirt. and again, you wouldn't think someone who has a gucci bag is gonna steal a bag of chips or something..

[kasia]

yeh, riverside was a bad example, b/c they don't really discriminate on the basis of race. they just mess with anybody and everybody. the chp's out there are actually the bad apples that have been kicked out of the other districts. so what you have in riverside are a whole bunch of officers with a history of uncontrollable tempers and excessive force.

i'm sure social class is a relevant factor because, at the minimum, you wouldn't be in highly surveilled places unless you belonged to a certain class. i still think that race is nonetheless a factor. here in so cal, and i'm sure mrazntre can testify, it doesn't matter how nice of a car an asian guy is driving. he'll get pulled over regardless.

[amietron]

Originally posted by kasia@Oct 5 2002, 02:53 AM
yeh, riverside was a bad example, b/c they don't really discriminate on the basis of race. they just mess with anybody and everybody. the chp's out there are actually the bad apples that have been kicked out of the other districts. so what you have in riverside are a whole bunch of officers with a history of uncontrollable tempers and excessive force.

i'm sure social class is a relevant factor because, at the minimum, you wouldn't be in highly surveilled places unless you belonged to a certain class. i still think that race is nonetheless a factor. here in so cal, and i'm sure mrazntre can testify, it doesn't matter how nice of a car an asian guy is driving. he'll get pulled over regardless.
so it's completely opposite of the bay? dangg. *cough* it's not only the cops in riverside who're the bad apples. *cough cough*

my riverside experiences are pretty limited. only go to places that they take me to. no choice in our whereabouts whatsoever.

[ChairmanMah]

here we go again. there's a stereotype in vancouver and the lowere mainland that young asian guys are all racers. you don't wanna know how much i've been fined for fuk all. fukn pigs. that's why asian girls that are so naive go for white guys. i don't mind too much but it makes us all look bad. they haven't done barely anythgin for us but fuk us around and hate us.

[Craig]

Doesn't the police profession in America attract a lot of people who are on power trips and are going to abuse their position ? I know in theory the cops are supposed to be the good guys, but ...

[ChairmanMah]

Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Oct 5 2002, 05:55 PM
that's why asian girls that are so naive go for white guys. i don't mind too much but it makes us all look bad. they haven't done barely anythgin for us but fuk us around and hate us.
that should say, that's why it kinda bugs me sometimes when i see asian girls w/ white guys because most of the racist ppl i've encountered are white. for some it is in their nature. they don't know any better. so why would you go for someone like that.

don't get me wrong, their are some valid relationships but alot of whites don't understand or care to.

[kasia]

Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Oct 5 2002, 05:55 PM
here we go again. there's a stereotype in vancouver and the lowere mainland that young asian guys are all racers. you don't wanna know how much i've been fined for fuk all. fukn pigs. that's why asian girls that are so naive go for white guys. i don't mind too much but it makes us all look bad. they haven't done barely anythgin for us but fuk us around and hate us.
so would there have to be an actual violation on your part for you to be pulled over? or would they just make something up? how many times *have* you been pulled over? and only by white cops? studies show, in fact, that cops are harsher on people of their own ethnicity. thus, if you had an asian cop, he probably wouldn't have been any nicer to you.

as for dating white guys, it varies with the guy of course. there are plenty of open-minded white guys, many of whom have grown up around minorities and aren't ethnocentric. then there are other white guys--like this guy my best friend dated throughout college. he specifically told her that he would not marry her, because he thinks that mixed asian and white kids (she's chinese) look like "mutants". he actually said that. i have no idea *how* she managed to stay with him as long as she did. she's since moved on to better guys and he's come back from a trip from france that made him realize that he "would marry her" and that "mixed kids don't look like mutants after all". she's probably not going to take him back (*fingers crossed*). <-- she thinks it's mean when i say this and doesn't quite understand why i dislike him so much.

[ChairmanMah]

Originally posted by kasia@Oct 5 2002, 06:08 PM

so would there have to be an actual violation on your part for you to be pulled over? or would they just make something up? how many times *have* you been pulled over? and only by white cops? studies show, in fact, that cops are harsher on people of their own ethnicity. thus, if you had an asian cop, he probably wouldn't have been any nicer to you.

as for dating white guys, it varies with the guy of course. there are plenty of open-minded white guys, many of whom have grown up around minorities and aren't ethnocentric. then there are other white guys--like this guy my best friend dated throughout college. he specifically told her that he would not marry her, because he thinks that mixed asian and white kids (she's chinese) look like "mutants". he actually said that. i have no idea *how* she managed to stay with him as long as she did. she's since moved on to better guys and he's come back from a trip from france that made him realize that he "would marry her" and that "mixed kids don't look like mutants after all". she's probably not going to take him back (*fingers crossed*). <-- she thinks it's mean when i say this and doesn't quite understand why i dislike him so much.
well i've had some minor violations but i've had stuff made up, other people let go and i had to take the fall. I've had police u-turn to get me as i made left turn. i've had an officer that just had just finished pulling someone else over as i came over the alex fraser bridge. he saw me in his rearview, and tried to let me go in front as he turned his lights on and tried to pull me over. i pulled over for a second after i had slowed down to 30km as the officer was right beside me w/ his lights on going the same speed down a 90Km speed limit highway. i pulled over, he looked down for a secondto do soemthing i guess like maybe finish writign his other ticket. I put it in gear and took off passing ppl going 160km up the hill!!! i pulled into a neighborhood and pulled into someones driveway, jumped out and hid in the bushes. He went down the road i turned off of. i got away haha :o :lol: . lowered cars are great for cornerign. i admit that was stupid but i was so sik of fucarounds that i was willign to take the risk. cuz i know i could take out that dumb pig. i hate racist fukn pigs.

[ChairmanMah]

"as for dating white guys, it varies with the guy of course. there are plenty of open-minded white guys, many of whom have grown up around minorities and aren't ethnocentric. then there are other white guys--like this guy my best friend dated throughout college. he specifically told her that he would not marry her, because he thinks that mixed asian and white kids (she's chinese) look like "mutants". he actually said that. i have no idea *how* she managed to stay with him as long as she did. she's since moved on to better guys and he's come back from a trip from france that made him realize that he "would marry her" and that "mixed kids don't look like mutants after all". she's probably not going to take him back (*fingers crossed*). <-- she thinks it's mean when i say this and doesn't quite understand why i dislike him so much."

Kasia, you're friend is a moron. i myself have many a moron for friends also. Y'see i understand that not all white guys are bad and all. I have first hand experience, most of my close guy friends are white. no matter how long i've known some for, (almost my whole life since childhood) they still believe stupid things.

Everyone has their insecurities and they like to make themselves better by deeming others inferior. It is human nature to be competive that's why communism doesn't work. As sensitive and good natured as many are, people look out for themselves and themselves only.

[Craig]

As far as racial profiling goes, I along with a lot of my friends (who are mainly of East and South Asian descent) have learned to be extra careful when driving as we are more likely targets. I have been on extra alert ever since I got a ticket a few years ago for going 43 mph in a 40 mph zone.

On a side note, a few months ago a cop almost wrote me a ticket for being in the parking lot. This was like 15 minutes after the bookstore closed and I was talking to one of my friends on my cellphone. I got the pleasure of being called a lier, having my car searched, being frisked all the while when my cell phone was repeatedly ringing because my friend didn't know why I cut the call off.

[Green_Circle]

I have to say that, to their credit, cops have never ever pulled me over except when I was doing a righteous red light blowpast. This is in stark contrast to the women that grab their purses as i walk by though. Are these women fearful or what? Do they think that I fit their profile of a mugger or something? But meanwhile the cops look me over once if at all and never pay any interest to me and they should know better since they deal with it all the time. :HH:

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Oct 5 2002, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Oct 5 2002, 05:55 PM
that's why asian girls that are so naive go for white guys. i don't mind too much but it makes us all look bad. they haven't done barely anythgin for us but fuk us around and hate us.
that should say, that's why it kinda bugs me sometimes when i see asian girls w/ white guys because most of the racist ppl i've encountered are white. for some it is in their nature. they don't know any better. so why would you go for someone like that.

don't get me wrong, their are some valid relationships but alot of whites don't understand or care to.
If you really think it's possible to have a valid interracial relationship, it wouldn't bug you to see asian girls with white guys. Do you really think asian girls are that stupid to date a racist white guy? And if this white guy was so racist, what the fuck would he be doing with an asian girl?

[kasia]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 5 2002, 08:48 PM
Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Oct 5 2002, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Oct 5 2002, 05:55 PM
that's why asian girls that are so naive go for white guys. i don't mind too much but it makes us all look bad. they haven't done barely anythgin for us but fuk us around and hate us.
that should say, that's why it kinda bugs me sometimes when i see asian girls w/ white guys because most of the racist ppl i've encountered are white. for some it is in their nature. they don't know any better. so why would you go for someone like that.

don't get me wrong, their are some valid relationships but alot of whites don't understand or care to.
If you really think it's possible to have a valid interracial relationship, it wouldn't bug you to see asian girls with white guys. Do you really think asian girls are that stupid to date a racist white guy? And if this white guy was so racist, what the fuck would he be doing with an asian girl?
asiaphiles are white. and commonly seen as racists.

[kimpossible]

Originally posted by kasia@Oct 5 2002, 10:08 AM
he specifically told her that he would not marry her, because he thinks that mixed asian and white kids (she's chinese) look like "mutants".
Sometimes I just have to tell myself that hearing about things like this is actually healthy for me. That way if I ever start automatically thinking of myself as white because I hang out with fobs or ABAs who feel I'm not Asian enough for their tastes, I can get that sharp slap in the face that reminds me that I never will be white.

Mutant. Gotta add that one to my list.

[kasia]

Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Oct 5 2002, 11:00 PM
Originally posted by kasia@Oct 5 2002, 10:08 AM
he specifically told her that he would not marry her, because he thinks that mixed asian and white kids (she's chinese) look like "mutants".
Sometimes I just have to tell myself that hearing about things like this is actually healthy for me. That way if I ever start automatically thinking of myself as white because I hang out with fobs or ABAs who feel I'm not Asian enough for their tastes, I can get that sharp slap in the face that reminds me that I never will be white.

Mutant. Gotta add that one to my list.
yeh, well, keep in mind that he (my friend's bf) isn't too hot himself either.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by kasia@Oct 5 2002, 10:49 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 5 2002, 08:48 PM
Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Oct 5 2002, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Oct 5 2002, 05:55 PM
that's why asian girls that are so naive go for white guys. i don't mind too much but it makes us all look bad. they haven't done barely anythgin for us but fuk us around and hate us.
that should say, that's why it kinda bugs me sometimes when i see asian girls w/ white guys because most of the racist ppl i've encountered are white. for some it is in their nature. they don't know any better. so why would you go for someone like that.

don't get me wrong, their are some valid relationships but alot of whites don't understand or care to.
If you really think it's possible to have a valid interracial relationship, it wouldn't bug you to see asian girls with white guys. Do you really think asian girls are that stupid to date a racist white guy? And if this white guy was so racist, what the fuck would he be doing with an asian girl?
asiaphiles are white. and commonly seen as racists.
Why are they racist? I don't quite fully understand the concept of an Asiaphile. I mean, what's wrong with being interested in Asian girls and being interested in the culture and stuff? That doesn't quite fit into the "racist" category, I don't think.

[kasia]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 5 2002, 11:04 PM
Why are they racist? I don't quite fully understand the concept of an Asiaphile. I mean, what's wrong with being interested in Asian girls and being interested in the culture and stuff? That doesn't quite fit into the "racist" category, I don't think.
check out www.asiaphiles.com

let me know what you think about the site.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by kasia@Oct 5 2002, 11:06 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 5 2002, 11:04 PM
Why are they racist? &nbsp;I don't quite fully understand the concept of an Asiaphile. &nbsp;I mean, what's wrong with being interested in Asian girls and being interested in the culture and stuff? &nbsp;That doesn't quite fit into the "racist" category, I don't think.
check out www.asiaphiles.com

let me know what you think about the site.
There is no asiaphiles.com http://www.figgaz.com/forums/images/smilies/plain.gif

Weird. Sometimes I feel like I'm the white supremacist of this web forum. http://www.figgaz.com/forums/images/smilies/lookaround.gif

[kasia]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 5 2002, 11:16 PM
Originally posted by kasia@Oct 5 2002, 11:06 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 5 2002, 11:04 PM
Why are they racist? I don't quite fully understand the concept of an Asiaphile. I mean, what's wrong with being interested in Asian girls and being interested in the culture and stuff? That doesn't quite fit into the "racist" category, I don't think.
check out www.asiaphiles.com

let me know what you think about the site.
There is no asiaphiles.com http://www.figgaz.com/forums/images/smilies/plain.gif

Weird. Sometimes I feel like I'm the white supremacist of this web forum. http://www.figgaz.com/forums/images/smilies/lookaround.gif
whoa! they finally took it down! i was waiting for that to happen. it was basically a site by some white dudes objectifying asian women. they love asian women, sure, but only as sex objects. (i'm speaking in reference to asiaphiles). it is their objectification of asian women and asian cultures that makes them asiaphiles.

i don't think you're a white supremacist.

[karizma]

>> isnt it www.mrasiaphile.com? try that one =)

>> as for the profiling biz...theres a highly concentrated amount of asians around here...the cops seem to zoom in on them and assume their all just one big gang. =/ stupidness...and the racing thing...they kinda spoiled it for us over here so even if asians wanted to race theres nowhere around here to go =/.

>> ive never really been watched too closely when i go into stores and such...and as for being called chink or whatever that hasnt happened often either...i remember this once incident this white chick screamed out the window while i sat at a bustop "ching ching chong chong" [how original] and i just looked at her like she was the stupidest person on earth which she very well may have been... if i had my drink on hand i woulda chucked it at her fat head...and whatta ya know they were driving an eclipse...fuckin idiot

[angel nympho]

Typically, I find that most of the racial comments I get are from people who actually have a problem with ME as a person, not ME as an Asian. And my being Asian is all they can really think of to comment on.

Except for sometimes when teachers expect more from me 'cuz I'm Asian. Or, like everybody else mentioned, those occasional run-ins with cops on a power trip. Once a cop asked me if I knew how to speak English as soon as he saw me. I was like "Um... *dirty look* Yeah."

[kimpossible]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 5 2002, 12:48 PM
Do you really think asian girls are that stupid to date a racist white guy? And if this white guy was so racist, what the fuck would he be doing with an asian girl?
It might not always have to do with stupidity on the Asian woman's part. Rice kings can be ultra nice to Asian women face to face, but say lousy racist things to Asian guys, about Asian culture, or wait until it's too late for an Asian woman to find out.

My own father has called me a slope/slopehead, jap and gook. He thought it wasn't racist but funny. He waited until he had kids with my mom before he revealed really racist attitudes. Also, since people don't always know that I'm part Asian, or figure I'm white too so I won't care, I've heard plenty of white guys with Asian fetishes say racist crap when they felt that 'no one Asian' was in the room.

I've been asked out by white guys on the premise of "Gee, I've never dated a Chinese chick before," after I just told them I was Japanese; and "I'd like to find out if I'm racist" as if I'm a friggin litmus test or something.

Rice kings like to [try to] dominate Asian men while simultaneously date Asian women.

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Oct 5 2002, 07:05 PM


Rice kings like to [try to] dominate Asian men while simultaneously date Asian women.
I've always kinda wondered about that, I thought it was just my paranoia. You're a very observant and wise woman HH. I ain't gonna be dominated by no rice king, if they do it to me, what goes around comes around. The playing field might not be even, but I'll hold my own.

Oh well back to the game.

The only person dominating me is achtunbaby, because I am his bizatch.

Sigh that's gonna be my sig. Might've well get used to it.



<!--EDIT|Chasiubao_Boy|Oct 5 2002, 07:26 PM-->

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Oct 6 2002, 12:05 AM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 5 2002, 12:48 PM
Do you really think asian girls are that stupid to date a racist white guy? And if this white guy was so racist, what the fuck would he be doing with an asian girl?
It might not always have to do with stupidity on the Asian woman's part. Rice kings can be ultra nice to Asian women face to face, but say lousy racist things to Asian guys, about Asian culture, or wait until it's too late for an Asian woman to find out.

My own father has called me a slope/slopehead, jap and gook. He thought it wasn't racist but funny. He waited until he had kids with my mom before he revealed really racist attitudes. Also, since people don't always know that I'm part Asian, or figure I'm white too so I won't care, I've heard plenty of white guys with Asian fetishes say racist crap when they felt that 'no one Asian' was in the room.

I've been asked out by white guys on the premise of "Gee, I've never dated a Chinese chick before," after I just told them I was Japanese; and "I'd like to find out if I'm racist" as if I'm a friggin litmus test or something.

Rice kings like to [try to] dominate Asian men while simultaneously date Asian women.
To an extent, I agree with you. Sometimes people make racist comments thinking that they're on good enough terms with you to be "allowed" to.

But if a guy was truly racist against Asians, why would he even bother dating them? And upon finding out that they don't often fit into the stereotype, why continue dating them? I don't know. This whole thing confuses me. I don't know what white people think, so I can't really try to figure this out.

I guess it just bothers me that sometimes people are so quickly written off as "Rice King," when all they're trying to do is understand the culture. Sometimes it's not their fault they're sometimes putting their foot in their mouths. With such a diverse group of people like Asians, what's offensive to one of us isn't offensive to all of us. Sometimes people just don't know what to say. I think when somebody makes a racist comment without realizing that it's racist or without intending it to be racist, we should point it out and let them know it's offensive, before quickly writing them off as a racist. They probably aren't really racist.



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[kimpossible]

Yeah, not every white guy [or any other ethnicity] who dates or marries an Asian woman is a rice king. But those that are rice kings usually have a distinct set of traits that includes racist attitudes towards Asian culture and men, while fetishisizing women.

Personally, I think Asian Americans are waaaay too caught up in the tired, beat to death topic of AF/WM romance. A grown woman can date whoever she wants to and it doesn't mean she's selling out or whatever nonsense. However, white males who have racist attitudes about Asians but still date Asian women exist. Why? How? I got no idea. Been trying to figure it out myself for years.

[ChairmanMah]

it is called mrasiaphile.com :pissed:

[kasia]

Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Oct 6 2002, 02:28 AM
it is called mrasiaphile.com :pissed:
i can't get to it....maybe it's been taken down?

[terence]

I think the last time I experienced any sort of profiling was back around 1995. I used to get pulled over a lot because I, like a lot of asians in SoCal had a fixed up Honda. They would always ask me what gang I was from, check my car for illegal modifications or drugs/weapons. After about two years of this occuring repeatedly, I decided I had enough of that crap. So now, I drive a nice, friendly little, non-fixed up Civic. Haven't had any problems since.

[wylin]

always happened around uc irvine. u get used to it.

[Commando_turned_MD]

If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck.........what is it? A duck......

You dress like a thug and act like a thug, don't bitch and whine when someone pulls you over.........."License and Registration please"

[Hiroshi2]

Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Oct 5 2002, 03:05 PM
It might not always have to do with stupidity on the Asian woman's part. Rice kings can be ultra nice to Asian women face to face, but say lousy racist things to Asian guys, about Asian culture, or wait until it's too late for an Asian woman to find out.

My own father has called me a slope/slopehead, jap and gook. He thought it wasn't racist but funny. He waited until he had kids with my mom before he revealed really racist attitudes. Also, since people don't always know that I'm part Asian, or figure I'm white too so I won't care, I've heard plenty of white guys with Asian fetishes say racist crap when they felt that 'no one Asian' was in the room.

I've been asked out by white guys on the premise of "Gee, I've never dated a Chinese chick before," after I just told them I was Japanese; and "I'd like to find out if I'm racist" as if I'm a friggin litmus test or something.

Rice kings like to [try to] dominate Asian men while simultaneously date Asian women.
And that is what angers me about white men sometimes. I try not to harbor racist feelings, etc. but I every time I read or see something first-hand about this type of behavior, it makes me dislike white men more and more.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by armycommando_turned_doctor@Dec 25 2002, 06:41 PM
If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck.........what is it? A duck......

You dress like a thug and act like a thug, don't bitch and whine when someone pulls you over.........."License and Registration please"
riiiiigghhht..... :confused:

i thought the pigs were paid to stop crime, not to harrass gangsta-wannabes.

[Commando_turned_MD]

There are some preventional properties of harassment......it'll make think twice before doing something illegal........

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by armycommando_turned_doctor@Dec 25 2002, 07:06 PM
There are some preventional properties of harassment......it'll make think twice before doing something illegal........
and how well that has worked

i doubt cops stopping people in their cars really intimidate them. just makes them hate the law even more and want to break the law even more.

[Commando_turned_MD]

That's why I would not be a good cop. I've probably get fired after the first day...I believe those sacks-of--shit, gangsta-wannabes, do not deserve to live in this society. THEY are NOT productive members of society...All they are doing is draining the my tax dollars and every other hard-working American's tax dollars........

If I could, I would round them(asians, blacks, mexican,etc, etc, thugs) ALL up and shoot them.......for the goodness of society. Crime would be down and life would better for everyone in the city.......

Yeah, I know I will get flame for this...................

Just .02

[Commando_turned_MD]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Dec 25 2002, 04:09 PM
and how well that has worked

i doubt cops stopping people in their cars really intimidate them. just makes them hate the law even more and want to break the law even more.
You're right..........

It will make them want to test the limits of the law.....But that's gonna increased their chances of going to prision or jailed..Good news for the hard-working Americans.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by armycommando_turned_doctor@Dec 25 2002, 07:17 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Dec 25 2002, 04:09 PM
and how well that has worked

i doubt cops stopping people in their cars really intimidate them. &nbsp;just makes them hate the law even more and want to break the law even more.
You're right..........

It will make them want to test the limits of the law.....But that's gonna increased their chances of going to prision or jailed..Good news for the hard-working Americans.
yes i love it. paying cops so they can indirectly encourage crime. tax dollars at work right there.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by armycommando_turned_doctor@Dec 25 2002, 07:13 PM
That's why I would not be a good cop. I've probably get fired after the first day...I believe those sacks-of--shit, gangsta-wannabes, do not deserve to live in this society. THEY are NOT productive members of society...All they are doing is draining the my tax dollars and every other hard-working American's tax dollars........

If I could, I would round them(asians, blacks, mexican,etc, etc, thugs) ALL up and shoot them.......for the goodness of society. Crime would be down and life would better for everyone in the city.......

Yeah, I know I will get flame for this...................

Just .02
since when does the way someone dress make them a non-productive member of society? what's not productive is cops sitting on their asses all day eating donuts and then harrassing people when they're bored.

[wylin]

lets just draft everyone and make them soldiers for peace ! and regulate what everyone wears.

- men wear wife beaters and sum dickies and when its cold a bendavis or dickies shirt
- women all can wear madona bustie's and cross colors baggy pants!

those where the days!

[Chinkaholic]

Sometimes I think it's part of life. At my bus stop, latino guys would make rude kissing sounds when i walk by. Or, when i'm just walking home, i can see them from the corner of my eye dogging me in a weird way. Sometimes it is freaky.. :ph34r:

[Commando_turned_MD]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Dec 25 2002, 04:21 PM
Originally posted by armycommando_turned_doctor@Dec 25 2002, 07:13 PM
That's why I would not be a good cop. I've probably get fired after the first &nbsp;day...I believe those sacks-of--shit, gangsta-wannabes, do not deserve to live in this society. THEY are NOT productive members of society...All they are doing is draining the my tax dollars and every other hard-working American's tax dollars........

If I could, I would round them(asians, blacks, mexican,etc, etc, thugs) ALL up and shoot them.......for the goodness of society. &nbsp;Crime would be down and life would better for everyone in the city.......

Yeah, I know I will get flame for this...................

Just .02
since when does the way someone dress make them a non-productive member of society? what's not productive is cops sitting on their asses all day eating donuts and then harrassing people when they're bored.
There is a correlation between productivity and attire.........

Dickies, Doo-rag, etc.....etc.......= i'm want to rape, kill, and be the bane to society.
This is person is not doing nothing productive.


Cops do not harrass people............That's just a myth.........It's because you're doing something wrong...........I.e., Rodney King, putting everyone's life in danger when he was evading arrest.....Try to assault the cops.......Cops gave him an Ass whooping that he deserve........ :lol:

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by armycommando_turned_doctor@Dec 25 2002, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Dec 25 2002, 04:21 PM
Originally posted by armycommando_turned_doctor@Dec 25 2002, 07:13 PM
That's why I would not be a good cop. I've probably get fired after the first day...I believe those sacks-of--shit, gangsta-wannabes, do not deserve to live in this society. THEY are NOT productive members of society...All they are doing is draining the my tax dollars and every other hard-working American's tax dollars........

If I could, I would round them(asians, blacks, mexican,etc, etc, thugs) ALL up and shoot them.......for the goodness of society. Crime would be down and life would better for everyone in the city.......

Yeah, I know I will get flame for this...................

Just .02
since when does the way someone dress make them a non-productive member of society? what's not productive is cops sitting on their asses all day eating donuts and then harrassing people when they're bored.
There is a correlation between productivity and attire.........

Dickies, Doo-rag, etc.....etc.......= i'm want to rape, kill, and be the bane to society.
This is person is not doing nothing productive.


Cops do not harrass people............That's just a myth.........It's because you're doing something wrong...........I.e., Rodney King, putting everyone's life in danger when he was evading arrest.....Try to assault the cops.......Cops gave him an Ass whooping that he deserve........ :lol:
myth? suuuurre... tell that to the cops that asked for my green card.

this is person not doing nothing productive

very good there.

yeah great lets harass people that are perceived to be not productive. next stop: the nursing home! first i'd like to see some numbers correlating between "productivity" and socially acceptable attire. then i'd like to see how "productivity" or the lack thereof automatically means crime.

[MellowDrama]

Yeah, that's some excellent logic there. You dress like Mr. X, who portrays an image of being a bad ass on TV (Yes, most of it is just image), and therefore you are more likely to commit crimes. Yes, brilliant deduction.

[artsfartsyjanet]

i can't remember a time when I was racially profiled. I was stopped by a cop once for speeding and he asked me if i was born here (which had nothing to do with my speeding). Anyway, he just gave me a verbal warning, but what the hell does my citizenship have to do with my actions? Racial profiling or not? Perhaps.

[angel nympho]

Honestly, when it comes to judging people by the way they look.... here's my opnion.

it's FUCKED and WRONG to judge somebody based on something they CANNOT CONTROL... such as ethnicity. But I judge people based on their demeanor and their clothing and stuff like that all the time. That's the kind of stuff people do BY CHOICE. If somebody WANTS to dress like a thug, they obviously want to be SEEN as a thug, right? If somebody WANTS to walk down the street like they're badass doin' that stupid *thug walk,* they OBVIOUSLY want people to SEE that... so doesn't that mean that person is ENCOURAGING people to judge them that way? But those random people out there who just like the look and don't really want to be seen in that light are usually the ones who're walking down the street with a more friendly demeanor. Those people, i wouldn't really be so quick to judge as a thug. So if you're gonna judge people based on shit like that, you gotta look from a little bit of a wider angle.

[kasia]

Originally posted by armycommando_turned_doctor@Dec 26 2002, 12:06 AM
There are some preventional properties of harassment......it'll make think twice before doing something illegal........
like driving while black?

[dru]

damn. i hate racial profiling on anyone. i just give them the cock.

[Commando_turned_MD]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Dec 27 2002, 07:28 PM
Honestly, when it comes to judging people by the way they look.... here's my opnion.

it's FUCKED and WRONG to judge somebody based on something they CANNOT CONTROL... such as ethnicity. But I judge people based on their demeanor and their clothing and stuff like that all the time. That's the kind of stuff people do BY CHOICE. If somebody WANTS to dress like a thug, they obviously want to be SEEN as a thug, right? If somebody WANTS to walk down the street like they're badass doin' that stupid *thug walk,* they OBVIOUSLY want people to SEE that... so doesn't that mean that person is ENCOURAGING people to judge them that way? But those random people out there who just like the look and don't really want to be seen in that light are usually the ones who're walking down the street with a more friendly demeanor. Those people, i wouldn't really be so quick to judge as a thug. So if you're gonna judge people based on shit like that, you gotta look from a little bit of a wider angle.
Exactly the message I was trying to convey............Although Angel N. posting is a little more tactful than mine...... B)

No hard-working American citizen want these POS in their society......

[Commando_turned_MD]

Originally posted by kasia@Dec 27 2002, 08:01 PM
like driving while black?
Cops are not going to pull you over because you're Black......They get pulled over because driver is doing something stupid, e.g., exceeding the speed limit, changing lane w/o signaling, etc........etc.....

Then they argue and make everything into a race issue........ Bull-shit Bull-shit....... The situation is worsen when these BS civil rights group gets involve..Always turning everything into a freaking race issue. Especially that Rev Jackson fellow....He ought to be shot for the goodness of society....E.g. ..Not enough BLK people working here...Either hire more underqualify BLK folks or I'll turn this into a Big race issue ....Why should a company be force to hire unqualified BLK (or Asian, Mex, etc) folks.......Wait, to have a diverse workforce. Bull Shit..............

e.g.
So when you go to the hospital, do you want a highly qualify doctor--he happens to be white--- to treat you or a underqualified--barely made it through med school--- doctor ( he happens to be BLK) to treat you....

Yeah, I'm going off on a tangent :P

[kasia]

Originally posted by armycommando_turned_doctor@Dec 29 2002, 11:27 PM
No hard-working American citizen want these POS in their society......
how would you determine who the "POS" are? by their choice of dress? it isn't illegal to dress a certain way. but it is illegal for the government to stop a person based on the way that he or she dresses - i.e., it would be violative of that person's 1st Amendment right to freedom of expression.

[kasia]

Originally posted by armycommando_turned_doctor@Dec 29 2002, 11:31 PM
Cops are not going to pull you over because you're Black......They get pulled over because driver is doing something stupid, e.g., exceeding the speed limit, changing lane w/o signaling, etc........etc.....

Then they argue and make everything into a race issue........ Bull-shit &nbsp;Bull-shit....... &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; The situation is worsen when these BS civil rights group gets involve..Always turning everything into &nbsp;a freaking race issue. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Especially that Rev Jackson fellow....He ought to be shot for the goodness of society....E.g. ..Not enough BLK people working here...Either hire more underqualify BLK folks or I'll turn this into a Big race issue ....Why should a company be force to hire unqualified BLK (or Asian, Mex, etc) folks.......Wait, to have a diverse workforce. Bull Shit..............
you're right. 'driving while black' is an actual campaign. but i suppose it is your opinion that the thousands of individuals involved -black, white, latino, and asian- are just 'playing the race card'?

how do you know that cops only pull people over because they are 'doing something wrong'? many people, including members of yellowworld, have claimed that they were pulled over for no reason at all. is it your position that the claims of these individuals do not count because they are contradicted by what the officers say? how would you check for any abuses of power on the part of law enforcement? or is it your opinion that such abuse of power could never exist?

[Commando_turned_MD]

Originally posted by kasia@Dec 29 2002, 11:38 PM
how would you determine who the "POS" are? &nbsp;by their choice of dress? &nbsp;it isn't illegal to dress a certain way. &nbsp;but it is illegal for the government to stop a person based on the way that he or she dresses - i.e., it would be violative of that person's 1st Amendment right to freedom of expression.

POS---burden to society. e.g., your typical gang banger.......People who dress like these thugs are likely to commit crimes. I went to high school in Long Beach, Cali......Saw the same crap everyday.....Same thing around SC....

Kasia, you attend USC.......You know the neighborhood.......

[Commando_turned_MD]

I find it hard for a Cop to pull you over for no reason.......I've lived in 5 different states, and I have never been harrassed by any cop....When a Cop pulls you over, he/she gives you the reason why you were pulled over... e.g. Illegal exhaust, loud music, improper suspension height, etc...

[kasia]

Originally posted by armycommando_turned_doctor@Dec 29 2002, 11:48 PM

POS---burden to society. e.g., your typical gang banger.......People who dress like these thugs are likely to commit crimes. I went to high school in Long Beach, Cali......Saw the same crap everyday.....

Kasia, you attend USC.......You know the neighborhood.......
indeed, i do. in fact, i deliberately chose to live in a high-crime neighborhood so that when i understand crime from a real-life, and not merely a conceptual, point of view.

an excerpt from my journal (when i was 22 :) ) so you can see where i'm coming from:

***************************

10th December, 2001. 11:06 pm.

"I have come to realize that an embrace from Lisa, the epileptic welfare mother, means more to me than the approval of a Ph.D." --Law School Applicant

This quote was taken from a personal statement written by my friend when he was applying to law school. We both belonged to a very liberal group of friends, working under the supervision of a fairly conservative and renowned criminologist.

We have since moved on to law school and have lost touch. He was admitted into one of the top law schools in the nation; sometimes, as I struggle with my career focus, I think about whether he had begun to lose his passion for humanity as well.

Law school does strange things to you. It opens the door to many opportunities. What we don't realize, however, is that it can also shut some doors if we do not pay attention.

People often wonder why I chose to move to Koreatown. The answer most definitely is not that I had a Korean fetish. In fact, aside from one of my closest friends, I despised (and was intimidated by) most Korean people. I moved into this area for a simple reason--I wanted to live in a crime-filled environment in order to better evaluate the efficiency and fairness of our current criminal justice system.

Experiences during this past year that I will unlikely forget:

Calling 911 for the first time in the middle of the night because someone was trying to break into my apartment. Six armed officers surrounded my building and ordered the perpetrator to surrender. Turned out to be a false alarm.

The fight that broke out directly outside my apartment and the Korean boy who was banging on everybody's door for help. Later walking into the hallway to discover blood smeared along the walls and banister.

Returning home to a large group of police officers. Overhearing one announce to his partner, "I don't know how to characterize it--211/288/home invasion?" Being informed by my manager that I don't want to know what happened, but that it was "something really bad." But I was familiar with the codes for rape and robbery because of my former job at the california youth authority (a.k.a kiddie prison).

The numerous, almost routine, sounds of domestic abuse.

The Mexican couple across the quad who have sex loudly with their window open in the middle of the night. The angry cries of the rest of the neighbors, telling them to shut up.

Carrying my tazor gun with me to walk from the downstairs parking lot to my apartment upstairs.

Having to live so close to people I hardly know. Having to put up with little kids roller-skating and playing ball early Saturday morning in the quad downstairs, because they don't have a backyard of their own. Having to listen to the little girl across the quad obnoxiously sing the same tune every morning. Yelling at a little kid to shut up for the first time in my life. When you are poor, indeed, you have very little privacy and less tolerance.

As the year is coming to an end and I am moving out of this apartment, I often think about what I have accomplished from living here. I now understand the need for our legal system, particularly our criminal justice system; I have personally lived the debate between justice and safety.

But there is more.

As Christmas is nearing, I have seen many of my neighbors hang up their lights. I look out my window, across the quad, and see Christmas trees in many of the apartments.

This is only a place that I have stayed temporarily. I have experienced what I have come to experience and come next year, I will be living in a much safer place. But this is their home. This is where they put up their Christmas trees, where their extended family comes to visit, where their children will grow up.

Perhaps I am remembering now why I chose to come to law school.

******************************

i lived amongst these so-called 'thugs'. i can tell you that the majority of my neighbors, despite their way of dress, were not criminals. and although i admit that i was scared on many occasions by people i had to share elevators with or walk down the hall with, i would be utterly *disgusted* if an officer came into our building and started checking the IDs of every black person with a bandana on his head.

[Commando_turned_MD]

Originally posted by kasia@Dec 29 2002, 11:42 PM
. &nbsp;is it your position that the claims of these individuals do not count because they are contradicted by what the police says? &nbsp;how would you check for any abuses of power on the part of law enforcement? &nbsp;or is it your opinion that such abuse of power could never exist?
. is it your position that the claims of these individuals do not count because they are contradicted by what the police says?

I have to hear both side.......... But mostly likely the cops did nothing wrong...There is probably something wrong w/ the vehicle----ILLEGAL MODIFICATIONS, etc......etc....
This is the thing I hear my friends bitch and whine about: They get pulled over by the cops because they illegally modify their vehicles(RICE ROCKET), then complain the cops are harrassing them...Bull-shit...

how would you check for any abuses of power on the part of law enforcement?

Research..... I know its a cop-out answer :P

or is it your opinion that such abuse of power could never exist?
It could exist, but not at that rate......Maybe .002% of the police officers abuse their power... I find it hard to believe its occurring at a higher rate than that.......I drive a Cobra....Never been harrassed......

[kasia]

Originally posted by armycommando_turned_doctor@Dec 30 2002, 12:16 AM
It could exist, but not at that rate......Maybe .002% of the police officers abuse their power... I find it hard to believe its occurring at a higher rate than that.......I drive a Cobra....Never been harrassed......
the fact that you have never been does not discount the fact that numerous others have.

[Commando_turned_MD]

Originally posted by kasia@Dec 30 2002, 12:12 AM
Originally posted by armycommando_turned_doctor@Dec 29 2002, 11:48 PM

POS---burden to society. e.g., your typical gang banger.......People who dress like these thugs are likely to commit crimes. I went to high school in Long Beach, Cali......Saw the same crap everyday.....

Kasia, you attend USC.......You know the neighborhood.......
indeed, i do. in fact, i deliberately chose to live in a high-crime neighborhood so that when i understand crime from a real-life, and not merely a conceptual, point of view.

an excerpt from my journal (when i was 22 :) ) so you can see where i'm coming from:

***************************

10th December, 2001. 11:06 pm.

"I have come to realize that an embrace from Lisa, the epileptic welfare mother, means more to me than the approval of a Ph.D." --Law School Applicant

This quote was taken from a personal statement written by my friend when he was applying to law school. We both belonged to a very liberal group of friends, working under the supervision of a fairly conservative and renowned criminologist.

We have since moved on to law school and have lost touch. He was admitted into one of the top law schools in the nation; sometimes, as I struggle with my career focus, I think about whether he had begun to lose his passion for humanity as well.

Law school does strange things to you. It opens the door to many opportunities. What we don't realize, however, is that it can also shut some doors if we do not pay attention.

People often wonder why I chose to move to Koreatown. The answer most definitely is not that I had a Korean fetish. In fact, aside from one of my closest friends, I despised (and was intimidated by) most Korean people. I moved into this area for a simple reason--I wanted to live in a crime-filled environment in order to better evaluate the efficiency and fairness of our current criminal justice system.

Experiences during this past year that I will unlikely forget:

Calling 911 for the first time in the middle of the night because someone was trying to break into my apartment. Six armed officers surrounded my building and ordered the perpetrator to surrender. Turned out to be a false alarm.

The fight that broke out directly outside my apartment and the Korean boy was banging on everybody's door for help. Later walking into the hallway to discover blood smeared along the walls and banister.

Returning home to a large group of police officers. Overhearing one announce to his partner, "I don't know how to characterize it--211/288/home invasion?" Being informed by my manager that I don't want to know what happened, but that it was "something really bad." But I was familiar with the codes for rape and robbery because of my former job at the california youth authority (a.k.a kiddie prison).

The numerous, almost routine, sounds of domestic abuse.

The Mexican couple across the quad who have sex loudly with their window open in the middle of the night. The angry cries of the rest of the neighbors, telling them to shut up.

Carrying my tazor gun with me to walk from the downstairs parking lot to my apartment upstairs.

Having to live so close to people I hardly know. Having to put up with little kids roller-skating and playing ball early Saturday morning in the quad downstairs, because they don't have a backyard of their own. Having to listen to the little girl across the quad obnoxiously sing the same tune every morning. Yelling at a little kid to shut up for the first time in my life. When you are poor, indeed, you have very little privacy and less tolerance.

As the year is coming to an end and I am moving out of this apartment, I often think about what I have accomplished from living here. I now understand the need for our legal system, particularly our criminal justice system; I have personally lived the debate between justice and safety.

But there is more.

As Christmas is nearing, I have seen many of my neighbors hang up their lights. I look out my window, across the quad, and see Christmas trees in many of the apartments.

This is only a place that I have stayed temporarily. I have experienced what I have come to experience and come next year, I will be living in a much safer place. But this is their home. This is where they put up their Christmas trees, where their extended family comes to visit, where their children grow up.

Perhaps I am remembering now why I chose to come to law school.

******************************

i lived amongst these so-called 'thugs'. i can tell you that the majority of my neighbors, despite their way of dress, were not criminals. and although i admit that i was scared on many occasions by people i had to share elevators with or walk down the hall with, i would be utterly *disgusted* if an officer came into our building and started checking the IDs of every black person with a hankerchief on his head.
I understand your POV...........placing yourself in that situation tends to change your perspective.......being more open-minded

That fact that you were scare proves my point. These so-called thugs dress the way they do to instilled fear in other people...The clothes is only one part of the equation. Their demeanor is the other part.....
That means they are impeding on your rights.....THAT should never happen.....You have been wronged by these folks. That's what gets my blood boiling......No citizen should have to live in fear.

Thank you for sharing your private journal entry w/ me :P
I assumed you are in a better part of town now, Brentwood perhaps :P

[Commando_turned_MD]

Kasia, you should have applied for the conceal carry permit......It's difficult to get the CLEO to sign off on the paperwork, but it's not impossible.........
Better to have a sidearm , than a tazor :P

[kasia]

i think you missed my point. my fear was based on my own preconceptions. not them. they didn't do anything wrong. they did not "impede" on my rights. i just grew up sheltered.

ugh. no way would i live in brentwood. i ended up moving just a couple blocks down. the ghetto's grown on me.

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by armycommando_turned_doctor@Dec 30 2002, 02:31 AM


e.g.
So when you go to the hospital, do you want a highly qualify doctor--he happens to be white--- to treat you or a underqualified--barely made it through med school--- doctor ( he happens to be BLK) to treat you....

The top two neurosurgeons in the US are black.

One is Ben <something> the last name eludes me

The other is one is on the forefront of "stereotactic radiosurgery" and the use of the gamma knife used to treat deep seated intracranial lesions without open skull surgery. Hence a highly non-invasive procedure used to treat deep seeded brain tumors. Really cool procedure, I was fortunate enough to assist in one at MSKCC.

They're both at Hopkins.

[wylin]

Originally posted by armycommando_turned_doctor@Dec 30 2002, 12:16 AM
. is it your position that the claims of these individuals do not count because they are contradicted by what the police says?

I have to hear both side.......... But mostly likely the cops did nothing wrong...There is probably something wrong w/ the vehicle----ILLEGAL MODIFICATIONS, etc......etc....
This is the thing I hear my friends bitch and whine about: They get pulled over by the cops because they illegally modify their vehicles(RICE ROCKET), then complain the cops are harrassing them...Bull-shit...

how would you check for any abuses of power on the part of law enforcement?

Research..... I know its a cop-out answer :P

or is it your opinion that such abuse of power could never exist?
It could exist, but not at that rate......Maybe .002% of the police officers abuse their power... I find it hard to believe its occurring at a higher rate than that.......I drive a Cobra....Never been harrassed......
And the point of this other then boost ur ego and insult other members is?

[Commando_turned_MD]

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Dec 30 2002, 05:22 AM
Originally posted by armycommando_turned_doctor@Dec 30 2002, 02:31 AM


e.g.
So when you go to the hospital, do you want a highly qualify doctor--he happens to be white--- to treat you or a underqualified--barely made it through med school--- doctor ( he happens to be BLK) to treat you....

The top two neurosurgeons in the US are black.

One is Ben <something> the last name eludes me

The other is one is on the forefront of "stereotactic radiosurgery" and the use of the gamma knife used to treat deep seated intracranial lesions without open skull surgery. Hence a highly non-invasive procedure used to treat deep seeded brain tumors. Really cool procedure, I was fortunate enough to assist in one at MSKCC.

They're both at Hopkins.
No doubt there are countless highly qualify MDs (minority type) out there.
The message I was trying to convey succinctly is people should be hired based on ABILITIES not on race......But people like Rev. Jackson are extorting companies for not having a diverse workforce. I would not care if a hospital employs all BLK MD; as long as they are equal or superior to their White or Asian counterparts..But to hire an underqualified MD for the purpose of having a diverse workforce is Bull-shit............I know I don't want to be treated by an incompetent MD----BLK, white, Asian, arabic, etc.....etc----------and neither does anyone else out there.. :P

[Commando_turned_MD]

Originally posted by wylin@Dec 30 2002, 08:12 AM
Originally posted by armycommando_turned_doctor@Dec 30 2002, 12:16 AM
. &nbsp;is it your position that the claims of these individuals do not count because they are contradicted by what the police says?

I have to hear both side.......... But mostly likely the cops did nothing wrong...There is probably something wrong w/ the vehicle----ILLEGAL MODIFICATIONS, etc......etc....
This is the thing I hear my friends bitch and whine about: They get pulled over by the cops because they illegally modify their vehicles(RICE ROCKET), then complain the cops are harrassing them...Bull-shit...

how would you check for any abuses of power on the part of law enforcement?

Research..... I know its a cop-out answer :P

or is it your opinion that such abuse of power could never exist?
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; It could exist, but not at that rate......Maybe .002% of the police officers abuse their power... I find it hard to believe its occurring at a higher rate than that.......I drive a Cobra....Never been harrassed......
And the point of this other then boost ur ego and insult other members is?
:o
How does this boost my ego or insult other members? I'm aware you're an avid car tuner...

What I am stating is fact. I have friends who are into the whole "Import Scene".......They illegally modify their vehicles, e.g., putting an Air intake on a vehicle w/o the that "Cali Clean Air Act" sticker on it, lower the vehicle too much------Headlights are no longer at the appropriate level, safety, safety issue, exhaust that is tooo loud, blue headlights------you're not fooling anyone w/ those pseudo HID lights (another safety issue), white clear corner w/ blue bulbs, NOS, etc........etc...........

You are aware these items are illegal. :D You customize your vehicle because you want your car to be unique. So you can customize your car all you want. But on the public highway, your car is a safety hazard....White-out rear tail lights....If I rear-end you, I will claim I did not see your tail lights.......Guess who the judge is going to believe......Then I will get millions of dollar is compensation...Due to the fact the lights were not SOT approve..

My beef is don't bitch and whine when the cop pulls you over and ask to examine your vehicle......and then claim harrassment..... :P
If you're going to modify your vehicle, make it a sleeper......Don't advertise with a BIG NOS stickers on the vehicle...Cops see that, they are going to pull you over......... :P

If I decide to add NOS kit to my cobra and if I get caught on the highway w/ it, I am man enough to accept the conseqences......I'm not going to bitch and whine like my buddies......


How is that insulting to other members or boosting my ego.......because I fail to see that

Just my .02

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by armycommando_turned_doctor@Dec 30 2002, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Dec 30 2002, 05:22 AM
Originally posted by armycommando_turned_doctor@Dec 30 2002, 02:31 AM


e.g.
So when you go to the hospital, do you want a highly qualify doctor--he happens to be white--- to treat you or a underqualified--barely made it through med school--- doctor ( he happens to be BLK) to treat you....

The top two neurosurgeons in the US are black.

One is Ben <something> the last name eludes me

The other is one is on the forefront of "stereotactic radiosurgery" and the use of the gamma knife used to treat deep seated intracranial lesions without open skull surgery. Hence a highly non-invasive procedure used to treat deep seeded brain tumors. Really cool procedure, I was fortunate enough to assist in one at MSKCC.

They're both at Hopkins.
No doubt there are countless highly qualify MDs (minority type) out there.
The message I was trying to convey succinctly is people should be hired based on ABILITIES not on race......But people like Rev. Jackson are extorting companies for not having a diverse workforce. I would not care if a hospital employs all BLK MD; as long as they are equal or superior to their White or Asian counterparts..But to hire an underqualified MD for the purpose of having a diverse workforce is Bull-shit............I know I don't want to be treated by an incompetent MD----BLK, white, Asian, arabic, etc.....etc----------and neither does anyone else out there.. :P
you are assuming that people are hiring based on abilities. if you are also perfectly at ease with a workplace that is not diverse at all, then you are assuming that minorities and women are naturally not as qualified to do certain jobs. well many people would disagree with you on that. it's basically discrimination.

if you think that women and minorities aren't less qualified because of their race and gender, then there's really not much that can explain a workplace that is not diverse.

and i have no idea why you all of a sudden started talking about affirmative action. you suddenly jumped from defending racial profiling to complaining about affirmative action. that just sounds to me like you have a problem with black people in general.

[wylin]

its the way its written, it sounds like ur basically trying to look supperior, but the writting style itself is hard to understand. maybe u should refer to an unspoken 3rd person in a different way then "YOU" because it sounds like an attack on everyone around you, also it sounds like u feel everyone falls into a stereotypical group that is why people have been responding so increasingly rudely to your responses maybe, it would be better to write in a more tact and less offesive way. just a suggestion.

Also from my perspective, your generalizing the ricers w/ the racers and that offends me and everyone else whose dedicated their time to tunning their car to go quicker, i think your effectively garnering all your information off a good watching of the fast and furious and have little understand of how exactly is the tuning industry and what differentiates trendy ricers from real hardened enthusiasts.

Technically, alot of the stuff u mentioned is technically legal, most of the ugly lights u see are DOT approved, meaning u can put them on any kind of vehicle. Actually intake doesnt do shit for the emission unless they disconnect the MAF sensor, technically cuz really most stock vehicles use sum sort of cold air induction system. U wanna really violate emissions laws u should run and remove ur catalyst for a lot better air flow, or remove the rest of the smog system such as weld shit the EGR valve. A well tuned vehicle N/A or Turbocharged should run relatively clean for example would be a Mr2 like ren has it has 2 catalysts a primary and secondary catalyst, u can remove either one of them 9typically 2ndary is eliminated w/ most AM exhaust units) and still pass (w/ a lil boost) if the car is tuned correctly. Also HID kits technically the blue lights people are moving away from them and going for a convetional and japanese style HID retrofitting, where the actual halogen system is converted over to an HID system using either adapted bulbs or the actual hid projector units from DOT HID equiped BMW's and Audi's...and also maintaining a legal cut off. Etc. Nitrous oxide not NOS, is illegal for use in california, on polution controlled vehicles... i dont see very many people actually using it either because it needs the same modifications and strenthening a turbocharged motor has but majority of the time is putting around cuz the nitrous bottle is either removed or closed. Stop watching the fast and furious and learn bout the tuner industry before u make idiotic claims based on an idiotic movie.

[loserbutt]

AA has two different outlooks

1. AA levels the playing field. the employment field is naturally biased

2. AA gives unfair advantage to minorities based on race


but anyways, in debates with black people over AA they've claimed that asians benefit from it too. true/not true?

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by loserbutt@Dec 30 2002, 01:54 PM
AA has two different outlooks

1. AA levels the playing field. the employment field is naturally biased

2. AA gives unfair advantage to minorities based on race


but anyways, in debates with black people over AA they've claimed that asians benefit from it too. true/not true?
i don't think AA helps asian americans in college acceptance. but it can definitely help in the workplace. the glass ceiling still exists, asian people often get stuck in middle management. asian people are getting paid less for doing the same things their white counterparts are doing. etc etc.

[Commando_turned_MD]

Originally posted by wylin@Dec 30 2002, 10:46 AM
its the way its written, it sounds like ur basically trying to look supperior, but the writting style itself is hard to understand. maybe u should refer to an unspoken 3rd person in a different way then "YOU" because it sounds like an attack on everyone around you, also it sounds like u feel everyone falls into a stereotypical group that is why people have been responding so increasingly rudely to your responses maybe, it would be better to write in a more tact and less offesive way. just a suggestion.

Also from my perspective, your generalizing the ricers w/ the racers and that offends me and everyone else whose dedicated their time to tunning their car to go quicker, i think your effectively garnering all your information off a good watching of the fast and furious and have little understand of how exactly is the tuning industry and what differentiates trendy ricers from real hardened enthusiasts.

Technically, alot of the stuff u mentioned is technically legal, most of the ugly lights u see are DOT approved, meaning u can put them on any kind of vehicle. Actually intake doesnt do shit for the emission unless they disconnect the MAF sensor, technically cuz really most stock vehicles use sum sort of cold air induction system. U wanna really violate emissions laws u should run and remove ur catalyst for a lot better air flow, or remove the rest of the smog system such as weld shit the EGR valve. A well tuned vehicle N/A or Turbocharged should run relatively clean for example would be a Mr2 like ren has it has 2 catalysts a primary and secondary catalyst, u can remove either one of them 9typically 2ndary is eliminated w/ most AM exhaust units) and still pass (w/ a lil boost) if the car is tuned correctly. Also HID kits technically the blue lights people are moving away from them and going for a convetional and japanese style HID retrofitting, where the actual halogen system is converted over to an HID system using either adapted bulbs or the actual hid projector units from DOT HID equiped BMW's and Audi's...and also maintaining a legal cut off. Etc. Nitrous oxide not NOS, is illegal for use in california, on polution controlled vehicles... i dont see very many people actually using it either because it needs the same modifications and strenthening a turbocharged motor has but majority of the time is putting around cuz the nitrous bottle is either removed or closed. Stop watching the fast and furious and learn bout the tuner industry before u make idiotic claims based on an idiotic movie.
its the way its written, it sounds like ur basically trying to look supperior, but the writting style itself is hard to understand. maybe u should refer to an unspoken 3rd person in a different way then "YOU" because it sounds like an attack on everyone around you, also it sounds like u feel everyone falls into a stereotypical group that is why people have been responding so increasingly rudely to your responses maybe, it would be better to write in a more tact and less offesive way. just a suggestion.

Yeah....When I'm posting I'm usually on the phone w/ gf. My post are usually short and to the point, thus it's not too tactful---sometimes....I'll take that into consideration. :P

Also from my perspective, your generalizing the ricers w/ the racers and that offends me and everyone else whose dedicated their time to tunning their car to go quicker, i think your effectively garnering all your information off a good watching of the fast and furious and have little understand of how exactly is the tuning industry and what differentiates trendy ricers from real hardened enthusiasts.

I associate the term Rice-Rocket with any japanese car modify to look fast but lack performances.....which is what my friends do----install three items on the car--header,air, &exhaust-----and claim the car to be fast.......what a joke.......On the other hand, there are real tuner out there, like yourself, who knows what is require to make a car run in the 12 sec(or faster) 1/4 mile range.



Technically, alot of the stuff u mentioned is technically legal, most of the ugly lights u see are DOT approved, meaning u can put them on any kind of vehicle. Actually intake doesnt do shit for the emission unless they disconnect the MAF sensor, technically cuz really most stock vehicles use sum sort of cold air induction system. U wanna really violate emissions laws u should run and remove ur catalyst for a lot better air flow, or remove the rest of the smog system such as weld shit the EGR valve. A well tuned vehicle N/A or Turbocharged should run relatively clean for example would be a Mr2 like ren has it has 2 catalysts a primary and secondary catalyst, u can remove either one of them 9typically 2ndary is eliminated w/ most AM exhaust units) and still pass (w/ a lil boost) if the car is tuned correctly. Also HID kits technically the blue lights people are moving away from them and going for a convetional and japanese style HID retrofitting, where the actual halogen system is converted over to an HID system using either adapted bulbs or the actual hid projector units from DOT HID equiped BMW's and Audi's...and also maintaining a legal cut off. Etc.

I've examined the cali code book...That's where I get my info regarding the legality of these items. I fully aware of all the items you listed above...........Not many people are going out and purchasing the real HID conversion kits, which cost about 700.00 and up....And they are doing is replacing the bulb w/ a aftermarket HID bulb from Pep Boys or other places......They just want to simulate what's on a luxury car--BMW, AUDi, BENZ,etc........

Stop watching the fast and furious and learn bout the tuner industry before u make idiotic claims based on an idiotic movie

Never watched the movie or have any intention of doing so. It may surpise you that I know a lot more about tuner industry than you think.........But how many people actually make tune their car to go fast......Not many.......

But it seem my post was taken out of contexts. My argument was simple: Don't bitch and claimed harrassment when you get pulled over by the cops..If you have something that is illegal on the car, like I mention in my previous post, deal with it....Dont want to get pull over, you should not have these items on your car.....If you feel it's legal, go TO court....I gurantee the Judge is going to rule in favor of the cops. :P ...This is what I tell my friends who have been ticketed for these items.............

I did it again...Well, I dont have time to revise my final paragraph to make it less personal.....Just know that I'm NOT attacking anyone out there :P

[wylin]

ur concerns in reverse order:

actually i just show my special get out of jail free card, not to mention im friends w/ a lota ppl in law enforcement. :dance:

Actually a professional installed DOT legal HID system costs 1000-3000$ depending on car...my friends are in the buisness and corespond mostly w/ phillips the HID balast manufactuer and work w/ phillips engineers on designing HID kits. As for me i just run cheapo OEM/ stock replacement bulbs cuz for lighting im not picky. But if i was going to need more lighting i'd take a european spec glass housing housing and shove a BMW 3 series projector w/ HID unit in there and be happy, because my car doesnt use multiform reflefctors or projectors making any HID kit retrofit pretty much useless.

2ndly drag racing isnt the only tuning you can do, u can set up the cars for winding roads or mountain racing, along w/ setting up for track events or drifting, i spent part of this weekend helping w/ a specific shop car being set up for high speed drifting (on track) and was fiddling w/ its suspension all day, it really doesnt have much other then intake and exhaust and blow off valve (stock sr20det) and its not that quick in straitline because the suspension is too stiff to produce consistent 60 foot times nor launch easily. but it turns like a MOFO. theres alot more to racing then drag, i personally fallow more the japanese tuning philosophy in japan, basically make the car accelerate briskly but make it handle like a demon. There is such thing as too much power per course.

[SunWuKong]

hmmm... maybe wylin and ATD would like to take the car discussion to the auto forums?
i think the original topic is racial profiling on asian girls. it's starting to get out of hand and filled with other rants.

[igcognito]

Being Asian helps Asian-Americans get jobs. You are viewed as hard working and are expected to be extremely smart. And well, on the female side of things, the same expected plus, alittle geisha on the side. -_-

[deez nuts]

Wow Commando you're like all over the map!

You're confusing me! How are you gonna handle yourself in gross anatomy that requires mad focus in one specific area of the body at a time? j/k :D. When do clinical rotations start for you guys at UCLA med? When are you taking your USMLE part I? You must be looking foward to clinical rotations. Seems like you're a down and about type of guy. Classroom instruction and lectures must be killing ya!

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by igcognito@Dec 30 2002, 02:54 PM
Being Asian helps Asian-Americans get jobs. You are viewed as hard working and are expected to be extremely smart. And well, on the female side of things, the same expected plus, alittle geisha on the side. -_-
yeah i think the model minority myth actually helps in certain specific situations. but asian stereotypes work against asians being promoted to higher paying jobs and jobs above middle management. and i believe sometimes the small stature of asian women work against them and let them be viewed as not mature enough to handle certain responsibilities.

[Craig]

To depart slightly from the recent tone of this forum, I just wanted to introduce this topic.

When I was younger and there were a lot fewer Asians around, I would often notice that store employees would seem to pay more attention to what I was doing, but not even talk to me. I am not talking about some employee noticing that I was looking around and offering to help, but just the thought that because I was a minority that I was going to steal something.

Anybody else experience this phenomenon and have any comments.

In particular I remember an incident when I was just looking around at one of the bookstores outside the university during the school break. After I left the store without buying anything, the senile asshole redneck (is that redundant ?) rent-a-cop followed me out of the store and harassed me, claiming that I was planning on stealing "pens" and threatening that if he ever saw me in the store again that he was going to call the cops.

[kasia]

here's a link to a related thread:

Racial Profiling of Little Asian Girls (http://forums.yellowworld.org/index.php?act=ST&f=36&t=551)

[iris]

An incident like that actually happened to me when I was younger. I'm not sure if it was an situation due to ageism or racism, but I suppose it could have been a combination of the two.

I was maybe 13 and my sister was 11. We were at our local (rural small-town Nowhere, USA) grocery store trying to buy flowers for mother's day. At first the counter lady wouldn't believe we had any money until we showed her and then while we were waiting for her to cut and wrap the flowers, another customer - and not security - walked over to us and told us she was "watching us," and that we'd "go to jail if we stole anything."

The nerve of that woman. In addition, I was thirteen, not three. Threats of police, doctors, dentists, or boarding school doesn't really work at that age anymore. Whenever I go back to Missouri to visit relatives, I get stares. Because I grew up there, I was used to it until I left for college and then moved to New York. Now when I come back for visits, I notice the looks more.

[lethal]

One time when I was younger, about 9 or so, I was reading magazines in a small drugstore. After about 5 minutes, the owner/pharmacist came up to me and grabbed my arm and led me to the counter where he accused me of plotting to steal the magazine.

He asked me for my name and threatened to call my parents. I was 9, so I got really scared. He then told me never to come back.

Looking back, I'd like to go back and slap a lawsuit on the guy. That was at least 3 intentional torts that I can think of.

Like iris, I grew up in a largely white area as well and the guy probably was shocked I could speak English at all.

[wylin]

i dont have a problem with that because as long as ur not doing anything wrong nothing will happen to you, and nowadays ur watched by unbiased camera's from multiple angles!

[Chris]

Originally posted by wylin@Jan 13 2003, 08:37 AM
i dont have a problem with that because as long as ur not doing anything wrong nothing will happen to you, and nowadays ur watched by unbiased camera's from multiple angles!
amen to that.

But seriously I think we all got watch when we were young especailly when you're 10-13 when you're more prone to take soemthing.

[kasia]

when you know you're being watched, doesn't it make you want to appear suspicious? for me, it would prompt me to find and glance suspiciously at each camera in the store, stand closer to merchandise, make eye contact with the cashiers and look away, etc. etc. i don't know why.

[iris]

Originally posted by kasia@Jan 14 2003, 04:44 AM
when you know you're being watched, doesn't it make you want to appear suspicious? for me, it would prompt me to find and glance suspiciously at each camera in the store, stand closer to merchandise, make eye contact with the cashiers and look away, etc. etc. i don't know why.
I know what you mean. I feel as though being watched actually does make me act more suspiciously because I'm no longer blissfully ignorant. It makes me nervous to touch or try on anything and do all the things you mentioned.

[Arex]

It's okay. I'm sure I've stolen something and gotten away with it for each time one of you were wrongfully harassed. So, in the end, it all evens out!=) j/k

Alex

[nudel]

i get wierd looks too. like i'm a born thief. i did take something once. but on accident. i had a lot of stuff in my hands and i wanted a roll of tape. i put it in my shirt pocket so i could carry the other stuff. paid for everything except the roll of tape.

[Jenny]

Weird, I always felt like because I was Asian-American, people assumed I was this goody-goody who would never even think about stealing lint off the floor. I actually did quite a bit of stealing a long time ago [gah, I'm not proud... :unsure:] and my friends used to always have me be the distraction because I looked the most "innocent".

[contra_diction]

in Europe, they used to watch me, but it was cos i was American, not Asian, and i don't know that it was necessarily bad, just that curiosity of a foreigner. also, stateside, i found the way i dress has a lot to do with being watched when shopping, especially depending on who else i'm with (or not with), but i've never had really had problems for being asian.

[AltimaGTR]

I used to live in this hick town called Wharton, TX and as the only asian kid I was constantly harrassed at school by black people who called me "Ching Chong" and crap like that... :pissed:

[blkazngirl]

Originally posted by AltimaGTR@Jan 17 2003, 03:30 AM
I used to live in this hick town called Wharton, TX and as the only asian kid I was constantly harrassed at school by black people who called me "Ching Chong" and crap like that... :pissed:
That's too bad you got picked on. They should know better seeing as the white's sure as hell picked on them. Instead of turning their angry on you, they should have focused it on something positive.

[nonamerasian]

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When fed up, I do the same thing.

Or, when I'm feeling really petty, I'll get an armful of merchandise and leave them in the wrong parts of the store. Or, I'll ask the person/people stalking me for a bunch of help and then say nevermind or say how much their place sucks and then walk out.

[cryptichash]

That's why I would not be a good cop. I've probably get fired after the first day...I believe those sacks-of--shit, gangsta-wannabes, do not deserve to live in this society. THEY are NOT productive members of society...All they are doing is draining the my tax dollars and every other hard-working American's tax dollars........

Oh really, and how many people on well fare are white???? (Statistics show that there are more whites on wellfare then any other race, so if you want to blame others for taking your tax dollars, then you must also blame the whites) Is that productive, sitting on your ass and making more babies? How productive is that? Do you have proof that these wannabe-gangsta aren't productive in society? You don't know that, you are assuming and besides how the hell do you think that they can afford hardware for their cars if they didn't work? Your tax-dollars and every other hard-working Americans, please, how much do you make? I am a permanent resident, hence I am not a US citizen, do you think the US gov't spares me from taxes??? I make 75,000 a year. I bet you that I pay more taxes than you have ever paid in your life buddy. (If this is incorrect, then I do apologize ahead of time). Do you think those tax dollars will ever go to people like me, NO! So, the next time you decide to generalize and think you are superior to everyone else, think again. Americans aren't the only ones paying taxes.

If I could, I would round them(asians, blacks, mexican,etc, etc, thugs) ALL up and shoot them.......for the goodness of society. Crime would be down and life would better for everyone in the city.......

Oh really, is that why the typical serial killer or serial rapist, is a white male!!!! Don't forget the sociopaths! So, please enlightnment me on how safety can be achieved by killing the asians, blacks, mexicans, etc..???

Yeah, I know I will get flame for this...................

If you thought before you spoke then you would have spared yourself from looking like an a$$. FOAD!!!!!

[cryptichash]

Yeah....When I'm posting I'm usually on the phone w/ gf. My post are usually short and to the point, thus it's not too tactful---sometimes....I'll take that into consideration.

Perhaps you should focus on one task at a time like windows.... hahaha!!! (No wonder Windboze is so popular, point, click and drool :) ~ j/king) . Tact has nothing to do with it. There is a fine difference between lack of tact and blatant generalizations.

[shy]

this happened to me just last year.

i was in a very nice liquor store... we were picking out a few bottles of wine for upcoming social gatherings and such.

this one security guard kept on following me. it was very noticable. and VERY irritating. for one thing, i already have a personal pet peeve of people hovering around me when i'm doing something... i like my space.

for another... there were a few noisey, agressive youngsters at the other end. and he paid no attention to them. not to say that they deserved to be followed... but why me??? what separated me from them?

i was so annoyed that i almost went up to him and asked him why he had to follow me so much... to be honest, i don't have enough info. to think that it was because i'm asian... and he's not.

but it was still damn annoying... whatever his reason were.

[SunWuKong]

<!--QuoteBegin-nonamerasian+Aug 19 2003, 04:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (nonamerasian @ Aug 19 2003, 04:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Or, when I'm feeling really petty, I'll get an armful of merchandise and leave them in the wrong parts of the store. [/b][/quote]
hahhah that's really funny.

[SunWuKong]

ok. let's tone down the personal comments and stick to the topic at hand.

[Ogumo]

I have not experienced this yet. If I did I was not aware of it. But is it surprising that these white americans do things like this to other races?

[BigLew]

This happened to my younger brother all the time when we were kids. He like to dress like he was a thug though. I'm sure that had a lot to do with it.

[Chester]

<!--QuoteBegin-shy+Aug 19 2003, 06:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (shy @ Aug 19 2003, 06:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i was so annoyed that i almost went up to him and asked him why he had to follow me so much... to be honest, i don't have enough info. to think that it was because i'm asian... and he's not. [/b][/quote]
I'd be tempted to assume that he was merely ogling.

I have never, as far back as my memory goes, been harassed in a store -- at least not in a way that made me feel as if the reason was my ethnicity.

[CruX]

i like just to be an ass when they start following me. I start asking questions about products, ask where the bathroom is, and stare back. or my favorite. do nothing but look at them watch how uneasy they get. :D

[YuheiCarreau]

<!--QuoteBegin-Ogumo+Aug 19 2003, 11:57 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ogumo @ Aug 19 2003, 11:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I have not expe