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Craig
01-05-2003, 02:28 PM
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Homeless cited in mouthwash thefts

High alcohol content spurs street popularity

By David Abel, Globe Staff, 1/5/2003

It's when the shakes start, sometime after midnight or on a Sunday afternoon, that Michael McGlaulin sets out to score a bottle of ''cheap whiskey'' or what merchants call ''wine for the homeless.''

It's a stiff brew with a sharp aftertaste. But unlike other cocktails, this one has a few distinct advantages - it's among the cheapest on the market, it's available anytime, any day, and in addition to freshening breath, according to manufacturers, it helps fight gingivitis.

''I drink the big bottle every day,'' says McGlaulin, 55. He explains one recent night, while drinking on the steps of a church, that he steals it or panhandles to buy it. ''I can't stand the taste, but it carries me over; it prevents the seizures.''

In recent months, with more homeless on city streets, police say downtown convenience stores have seen a spate of thefts. The most stolen item: mouthwash. At $3.99 for a 50-ounce bottle, Listerine and similar brands pack a punch - with as much as 27 percent alcohol content, compared with about 12 percent for the typical bottle of wine. Another perk: drinking it is legal. Police can't arrest anyone for drinking mouthwash in public.

In response to the thefts and abuse, the owner of three 7-Eleven stores in the area decided to cut the number of brands he sells and keep the remaining bottles behind the counter. At the new Walgreen's on Summer Street, managers and clerks say they keep watch whenever people who are believed to be homeless enter the store.

And at several downtown CVS stores, signs next to the bottles of mouthwash read: ''Selected products have been protected by the manufacturer against theft.''

But the thirsty are rarely swayed from their objective. ''They don't care - the signs don't mean anything to them,'' says Michelle Jimenez, a cashier at the CVS on Summer Street. ''They either take a bottle and walk out, or they pay. We can't not sell it to them. ''

When the homeless walk into the 7-Eleven across the street, where the franchise owner estimates he has lost tens of thousands of dollars in thefts at his store this year, the clerks are told to try to dissuade them from buying mouthwash. ''I say, `Try to steer the customer away,''' says J.R. D'Avila, the manager of the 7-Eleven on the corner of Arch Street. ''The stuff's just not good for them.''

However, health officials and outreach workers, who say they've seen a rise in the abuse of mouthwash by homeless alcoholics in recent years, argue it would be dangerous for stores to refuse to sell them mouthwash, especially on holidays or during the stretch between Saturday night and Monday morning when the state's liquor stores are closed.

Without a fix for too long, alcoholics suffer withdrawal - and some die from it. Studies of Boston's homeless population over the past decade have shown that more suffer seizures and die when they can't get a drink.

A study of 14 homeless people who died between 1998 and 1999 found nearly all died on Sunday or early Monday morning, according to Healthcare for the Homeless, the study's author. Three years earlier, a study of 1,700 emergency calls from shelters to police found that 25 percent of the calls were for seizures, with 75 percent of the calls on a Sunday or Monday.

''There's really a tough ethical dilemma,'' says Dr. James O'Connell, president of Healthcare for the Homeless, adding that mouthwash does not have any more severe medical consequences than other alcohol. ''There are no easy answers. The real problem is alcoholism. But from a harm-reduction point of view, it's better to let them drink Listerine than to have a seizure,'' which can cause brain damage.

The best solution, O'Connell and others said, is to get the person into a detox facility or substance-abuse program. But with more drug and alcohol abusers on the streets, there aren't enough beds.

The annual census of Boston's homeless, conducted earlier this month, found there are now about 6,200 men and women living on the streets, nearly double the number there were a decade ago. Combined with budget cuts, the increase has put huge pressure on agencies that help the homeless.

As Jim Greene prowls city streets in his job as the daytime outreach coordinator of the Pine Street Inn, the region's largest shelter, he now finds only one detox bed for every 10 people he finds who could use one - up from a bed for every three people he met a few years ago. ''The people who drink Listerine are the people most gravely in need,'' he said. ''These are end-stage alcoholics who are in the most need of our attention.''

They have gotten the attention of local business owners and police, who raised the issue of mouthwash theft and abuse at a recent gathering of the Downtown Crossing Association, a local business group, and at a meeting last month of city officials, emergency personnel, and homeless advocates.

The officer often called to ''clean up the mess,'' as he said, is Jim O'Malley, who for decades has spent the evening hours patrolling downtown. He often finds homeless alcoholics passed out with an ''overwhelming'' stench of mouthwash seeping through their pores. ''It's sad people can be that desperate,'' he said.

One of the men he occasionally finds inebriated on mouthwash is Dorchester native Donald Sullivan, who on a recent afternoon sat at the entrance of a Downtown Crossing T station guzzling a newly bought bottle from CVS.

''It tastes horrible, but it helps keep me warm,'' says Sullivan, 39, noting he's drinking the yellow CVS brand, the most potent for the price. ''You have to do what you have to do.''

Another man, a former painter named Mike, says he sometimes has to haggle with store clerks or ask passersby to get him a bottle. Even though it ''warps my brain a bit,'' caused him to tumble down a flight of stairs recently, and nearly got him thrown out of a shelter, the 50-year-old insists it's worth it.

''The truth is, it's easy to drink - and it makes the shakes go away,'' he said.

applehead
01-05-2003, 03:19 PM
augh... that's so heartbreaking.

angel nympho
01-05-2003, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by applehead@Jan 5 2003, 11:19 PM
augh... that's so heartbreaking.
Why? Technically, it's society's fault as a whole for looking down on alcoholics and homeless people instead of trying to help them.

Nonetheless, I really don't have much pity for homeless people. ..Except for kids, 'cuz usually they're homeless for other reasons.

applehead
01-05-2003, 03:50 PM
why?

because they're drinking mouthwash to "help make the shakes go away"??

angel nympho
01-05-2003, 04:10 PM
Originally posted by applehead@Jan 5 2003, 11:50 PM
why?

because they're drinking mouthwash to "help make the shakes go away"??
What's sad about it? The fact that they're drinking mouthwash? Or the fact that they have the shakes? The reason they have the shakes is their own damn faults. And they're drinking mouthwash is because they wanna drink it in public. And 'cuz they get more for their money.

SunWuKong
01-05-2003, 10:08 PM
what are "the shakes"?

lethal
01-05-2003, 11:57 PM
Isn't the alcohol in mouthwash the kind that you're not supposed to drink cause its somewhat poisonous?

applehead
01-06-2003, 03:29 AM
i don't know sarah.
i just have a soft spot for the poor and unfortunate...and just about anyone and anything.
it's a problem. <_< <_<

kimpossible
01-06-2003, 05:28 AM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jan 5 2003, 10:08 PM
what are "the shakes"?
It's a withdrawal symptom.

SunWuKong
01-06-2003, 08:00 AM
Originally posted by applehead@Jan 6 2003, 06:29 AM
i don't know sarah.
i just have a soft spot for the poor and unfortunate...and just about anyone and anything.
it's a problem. <_< <_<
i don't really care too much for the "homeless" here in america. yes some do end up sleeping on the streets, but there are shelters and very cheap places to live (like at the Bowery). the homeless in asia makes the homeless in america look like millionaires. i mean they actually do look like they've been living on the streets, they're extremely skinny, their clothes are in pieces hanging off their bodies, their hair may be long enough to touch the ground, they stink, and most are definitely mentally unstable (and probably as a result of living on the streets), as opposed to the homeless in america who pretty much always look like they had a bed to sleep on and warm meals to eat. i do take pity on the older homeless people though, and also the ones that are carting around a whole bunch of junk - that's a good indication that they've been on the streets for a while. but mostly i just have a hard time trusting all the stories they tell me in order to get me to give them money. i do usually give them a cigarette or two though. just yesterday i had a woman tell me that she just lost her baby a couple of days ago for sleeping out on the streets in the cold, and that she can't get into any shelters because she lost her ID, so she needs 15 dollars for a hostel. but shit, she looked like she was probably healthier and more alive than i was. i told her to go to the police and see what they can do about her lost ID, and she said she's waiting on her papers. yeah how convenient.

Chris
01-06-2003, 09:03 AM
I used to pity the homeless a the whole. But then i realize my dad is almost there age and still working his butt off with littel english skills and many hours. So I don't any more. Especially people my age. That even worse. Don't tell me they can't work.

applehead
01-06-2003, 12:30 PM
i read that a lot of homeless people hate going to the shelters because they're dirtier than the streets. i guess homeless people have their standards too. lol

this homeless man (so he said) was asking people for food or money while i was waiting for the train. so i gave him an apple. he threw it into the tracks and screamed " i don't fuckin need food, i need money!"
and my face went... :cry:

wylin
01-06-2003, 12:41 PM
give them some applehead loving sum free "ride for the homeless"

SunWuKong
01-06-2003, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by applehead@Jan 6 2003, 03:30 PM
this homeless man (so he said) was asking people for food or money while i was waiting for the train. so i gave him an apple. he threw it into the tracks and screamed " i don't fuckin need food, i need money!"
and my face went... :cry:
yeah i'm not surprised. do what i do. give the person a cigarette and tell him to stay warm.

deez nuts
01-06-2003, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by applehead@Jan 6 2003, 03:30 PM
i read that a lot of homeless people hate going to the shelters because they're dirtier than the streets. &nbsp;i guess homeless people have their standards too. lol

this homeless man (so he said) &nbsp;was asking people for food or money while i was waiting for the train. &nbsp;so i gave him an apple. &nbsp;he threw it into the tracks and screamed " i don't fuckin need food, i need money!"
and my face went... :cry:
I got attacked, clawed and almost bitten when I was doing free clinic rotations back in the day. I remember one homeless dude went ballistic and tore out his catheter. Homeless peeps with beef on the streets carries over to the clinic i.e. one took the others sleeping area or box. It was like "Bum Fights in the Free Clinic."

And you wanna talk about the smell? If you think that's bad imagine examing one up close and personal. One defecated right in the examining room.

They're unfortunate, but I would say 7 out of 10 times they're not looking to be helped due to whatever reason but mostly mental illness. So whatever. If they don't wanna be helped, I'm not gonna go out of my way to treat them if it means risking personal harm to myself. My friend got bitten and the homeless guy refused to let us draw his blood to see if he has any diseases. As a result my friend had to get prophylactic treatment and injections i.e. Hep, HIV etc etc. And constant blood tests once a month. Nooooooo thanks.

deez nuts
01-06-2003, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by lethalweapon@Jan 6 2003, 02:57 AM
Isn't the alcohol in mouthwash the kind that you're not supposed to drink cause its somewhat poisonous?
I think it's methanol not the usual ethanol found in liquors. Shrugz wild guess.

angel nympho
01-06-2003, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by applehead@Jan 6 2003, 11:29 AM
i don't know sarah.
i just have a soft spot for the poor and unfortunate...and just about anyone and anything.
it's a problem. <_< <_<
I do too. Unfortunately, a large number of homeless people are not poor or unfortunate. Their problems are caused by their own lack of responsibility. Most homeless people who panhandle in my area make more money in one day than I make in a week.

It really isn't all that hard to work at fucking mcdonalds or some shit like that. And don't tell me that none of these people have families. Maybe if they started having troubles, they could have tried to nip them in the bud early on... instead of let themselves become HOMELESS.

applehead
01-06-2003, 06:48 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jan 6 2003, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by applehead@Jan 6 2003, 03:30 PM
this homeless man (so he said) &nbsp;was asking people for food or money while i was waiting for the train. &nbsp;so i gave him an apple. &nbsp;he threw it into the tracks and screamed " i don't fuckin need food, i need money!"
and my face went... :cry:
yeah i'm not surprised. do what i do. give the person a cigarette and tell him to stay warm.
my cigarettes!! are you crazy!
my god...

applehead
01-06-2003, 06:51 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Jan 6 2003, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by applehead@Jan 6 2003, 11:29 AM
i don't know sarah.
i just have a soft spot for the poor and unfortunate...and just about anyone and anything.
it's a problem. <_< &nbsp;<_<
I do too. Unfortunately, a large number of homeless people are not poor or unfortunate. Their problems are caused by their own lack of responsibility. Most homeless people who panhandle in my area make more money in one day than I make in a week.

It really isn't all that hard to work at fucking mcdonalds or some shit like that. And don't tell me that none of these people have families. Maybe if they started having troubles, they could have tried to nip them in the bud early on... instead of let themselves become HOMELESS.
there was this old couple in my building who lived with their grandkids and their son.. daughter. whatever. i'm not sure.
but i think the family threw out the grandparents because i've seen them pushing around those shopping carts and sleeping on the streets.

deez nuts
01-06-2003, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by applehead@Jan 6 2003, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jan 6 2003, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by applehead@Jan 6 2003, 03:30 PM
this homeless man (so he said) was asking people for food or money while i was waiting for the train. so i gave him an apple. he threw it into the tracks and screamed " i don't fuckin need food, i need money!"
and my face went... :cry:
yeah i'm not surprised. do what i do. give the person a cigarette and tell him to stay warm.
my cigarettes!! are you crazy!
my god...
at $7-$7.50 a pack! Werd.

SunWuKong
01-06-2003, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Jan 6 2003, 10:04 PM
Originally posted by applehead@Jan 6 2003, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jan 6 2003, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by applehead@Jan 6 2003, 03:30 PM
this homeless man (so he said) was asking people for food or money while i was waiting for the train. so i gave him an apple. he threw it into the tracks and screamed " i don't fuckin need food, i need money!"
and my face went... :cry:
yeah i'm not surprised. do what i do. give the person a cigarette and tell him to stay warm.
my cigarettes!! are you crazy!
my god...
at $7-$7.50 a pack! Werd.
ah... you crazy NYers.

here you go: http://www.cheapcig.us/pp/list.htm

applehead
01-06-2003, 07:39 PM
does it taste the same or does it taste stale??

angel nympho
01-06-2003, 07:43 PM
Originally posted by applehead@Jan 7 2003, 02:51 AM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Jan 6 2003, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by applehead@Jan 6 2003, 11:29 AM
i don't know sarah.
i just have a soft spot for the poor and unfortunate...and just about anyone and anything.
it's a problem. <_< <_<
I do too. Unfortunately, a large number of homeless people are not poor or unfortunate. Their problems are caused by their own lack of responsibility. Most homeless people who panhandle in my area make more money in one day than I make in a week.

It really isn't all that hard to work at fucking mcdonalds or some shit like that. And don't tell me that none of these people have families. Maybe if they started having troubles, they could have tried to nip them in the bud early on... instead of let themselves become HOMELESS.
there was this old couple in my building who lived with their grandkids and their son.. daughter. whatever. i'm not sure.
but i think the family threw out the grandparents because i've seen them pushing around those shopping carts and sleeping on the streets.
There's this guy who sits outside the bank I go to. At the end of every day, he puts the money he's collected into his bank account (which, by the way, has a balance bigger than mine). The guy who works in the bank and I chatted about it. Being homeless isn't something that HAPPENED to him. It's his occupation.

pfc beansprout
01-06-2003, 07:44 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Jan 6 2003, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by applehead@Jan 6 2003, 11:29 AM
i don't know sarah.
i just have a soft spot for the poor and unfortunate...and just about anyone and anything.
it's a problem. <_< &nbsp;<_<
I do too. Unfortunately, a large number of homeless people are not poor or unfortunate. Their problems are caused by their own lack of responsibility. Most homeless people who panhandle in my area make more money in one day than I make in a week.

It really isn't all that hard to work at fucking mcdonalds or some shit like that. And don't tell me that none of these people have families. Maybe if they started having troubles, they could have tried to nip them in the bud early on... instead of let themselves become HOMELESS.
umm...maybe in your area...but generalizations should be avoided ;) true there are those panhandlers who ask for a dime every time u walk pass...but u gotta think about the ones not visible and are strugglin for shit. their own responsibility? hmm, dunno...possibly...but what if u knew someone who was abused-physically or sexually...that really fucks them up...scars them for good....u got no pity for them? what could they do when they were young? maybe they did....run away?

SunWuKong
01-06-2003, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by pfc beansprout@Jan 6 2003, 10:44 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Jan 6 2003, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by applehead@Jan 6 2003, 11:29 AM
i don't know sarah.
i just have a soft spot for the poor and unfortunate...and just about anyone and anything.
it's a problem. <_< <_<
I do too. Unfortunately, a large number of homeless people are not poor or unfortunate. Their problems are caused by their own lack of responsibility. Most homeless people who panhandle in my area make more money in one day than I make in a week.

It really isn't all that hard to work at fucking mcdonalds or some shit like that. And don't tell me that none of these people have families. Maybe if they started having troubles, they could have tried to nip them in the bud early on... instead of let themselves become HOMELESS.
umm...maybe in your area...but generalizations should be avoided ;) true there are those panhandlers who ask for a dime every time u walk pass...but u gotta think about the ones not visible and are strugglin for shit. their own responsibility? hmm, dunno...possibly...but what if u knew someone who was abused-physically or sexually...that really fucks them up...scars them for good....u got no pity for them? what could they do when they were young? maybe they did....run away?
yeah i always think to myself, well what if this guy is really really down on his luck? but i just have a problem believing their stories about why they need the money. and the thing is, most of them look pretty healthy to me.

pfc beansprout
01-06-2003, 08:49 PM
i hear ya to swk...specially those standing at the off ramps sayin they are vets, or laid off, etc....dunno. i'd rather give to salvation army or soup kitchens than trust the pan handlers.... :unsure: i hear too many stories bout those tax evaders....

angel nympho
01-07-2003, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by pfc beansprout@Jan 7 2003, 03:44 AM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Jan 6 2003, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by applehead@Jan 6 2003, 11:29 AM
i don't know sarah.
i just have a soft spot for the poor and unfortunate...and just about anyone and anything.
it's a problem. <_< <_<
I do too. Unfortunately, a large number of homeless people are not poor or unfortunate. Their problems are caused by their own lack of responsibility. Most homeless people who panhandle in my area make more money in one day than I make in a week.

It really isn't all that hard to work at fucking mcdonalds or some shit like that. And don't tell me that none of these people have families. Maybe if they started having troubles, they could have tried to nip them in the bud early on... instead of let themselves become HOMELESS.
umm...maybe in your area...but generalizations should be avoided ;) true there are those panhandlers who ask for a dime every time u walk pass...but u gotta think about the ones not visible and are strugglin for shit. their own responsibility? hmm, dunno...possibly...but what if u knew someone who was abused-physically or sexually...that really fucks them up...scars them for good....u got no pity for them? what could they do when they were young? maybe they did....run away?
Read what I wrote. I said I do have sympathy for those who are down on their luck. Unfortunately, not all homeless people are exactly down on their luck. So I don't really pity the people in the article because I'm not really sure exactly what their situations are. It sounds to me that they're just alcoholic losers who wanna get drunk. Shakes or not, those shakes are THEIR fault.

deez nuts
01-07-2003, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jan 6 2003, 10:26 PM
Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Jan 6 2003, 10:04 PM
Originally posted by applehead@Jan 6 2003, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jan 6 2003, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by applehead@Jan 6 2003, 03:30 PM
this homeless man (so he said) was asking people for food or money while i was waiting for the train. so i gave him an apple. he threw it into the tracks and screamed " i don't fuckin need food, i need money!"
and my face went... :cry:
yeah i'm not surprised. do what i do. give the person a cigarette and tell him to stay warm.
my cigarettes!! are you crazy!
my god...
at $7-$7.50 a pack! Werd.
ah... you crazy NYers.

here you go: http://www.cheapcig.us/pp/list.htm
Thanks MK.

But they're still $4.50'ish out on Long Island. So I pick up a carton or so when I go visit my folks.

AliBabaIncorporated
01-07-2003, 12:16 PM
anyone wanna bet how many busybody do-gooder legislators are gonna see this and conclude the solution is passing a law to regulate the alcohol content of mouthwash and using our tax dollars to hire inspectors to ensure that all mouthwash manufacturers comply and file the proper forms which prove their compliance?

SunWuKong
01-07-2003, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Jan 7 2003, 03:16 PM
anyone wanna bet how many busybody do-gooder legislators are gonna see this and conclude the solution is passing a law to regulate the alcohol content of mouthwash and using our tax dollars to hire inspectors to ensure that all mouthwash manufacturers comply and file the proper forms which prove their compliance?
nah if they do it, it wouldn't be because they're "do-gooders", it would be to further their political careers.