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achtungbaby
08-07-2002, 01:27 PM
By ADAM LIPTAK
New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/06/national/06ABOR.html?ex=1029384000&en=c282611dfa223a61&ei=5040&partner=MOREOVER)

Pennsylvania judge allowed a woman yesterday to end her pregnancy after a week's delay during which he had considered her ex-boyfriend's objections.

Legal experts said the ruling was required by Supreme Court precedents in Roe v. Wade and other cases, and they expressed surprise that the judge had prohibited the abortion even for a week. They also questioned his decision to hold a hearing to consider evidence and to appoint a guardian for the fetus.

The woman, Tanya Meyers, 22, of Kingston, Pa., had planned to have an abortion last Tuesday, when she was nine weeks pregnant. But on the afternoon before, her ex-boyfriend, the father of the child, filed a lawsuit seeking to stop her.

"My preborn child at this moment is a living being who can feel and respond to pain, whose heart beats, who moves in Tanya's womb, who has brain activity and fully functional organ systems," John Stachokus, 27, said in legal papers. "He or she is a living human being."

In an interview, Ms. Meyers said that having to explain herself to the court and then wait to hear what she would be allowed to do was hard.

"It's not something the court system should entertain," she said. "I felt extremely violated. I still feel violated that my life was made so public. It's just been emotional torture."

Mr. Stachokus, who lives in Plains, Pa., and works as an emergency dispatcher, did not return calls for comment. He had told the court that he would take responsibility for the child's welfare once born.

The couple recently ended a 10-month relationship. On the same day Mr. Stachokus filed suit, Ms. Meyers sought a court order forbidding him from contacting her. A hearing on the order will be held tomorrow.

On July 29, Judge Thomas F. Burke Jr. of the Court of Common Pleas in Wilkes-Barre entered a temporary order forbidding Ms. Meyers to have an abortion. Another judge of that court, Michael T. Conahan, held a hearing two days later. He kept the order in place until he issued yesterday's decision.

Mr. Stachokus also sued Ms. Meyers' mother, Tracey Curry. He said Ms. Curry had coerced her daughter into seeking the abortion because Ms. Curry disliked him.

In an interview, Ms. Curry said that was false, though she did not express any fondness for Mr. Stachokus.

"She's 22," Ms. Curry said of her daughter, "and she can make her own decisions."

Ms. Meyers's lawyer, Linda Rosenthal of the Center for Reproductive Law and Policy, said the decision was her client's alone.

"The only coercion regarding the abortion came from the boyfriend," Ms. Rosenthal said.

"Do you want to have an abortion?" she asked her client at the hearing on Wednesday.

"Very much," Ms. Meyers said.

Mr. Stachokus testified that the couple had discussed what to name the child and had chosen godparents.

After Judge Conahan declined to issue a ruling on Wednesday, Ms. Meyers tried two sets of emergency appeals, one to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court. The appeals courts declined to take immediate action.

Sylvia Law, who teaches constitutional and family law at New York University, said the case was straightforward and should have been rejected out of hand.

"A lot of issues in this area are, honestly, difficult," Ms. Law said. "This is not one of them. This is crystal clear."

She added: "The law on the question of fathers' or husbands' capability to veto a woman's ability to have an abortion has always been that it's completely unconstitutional."

In the Supreme Court's most recent major abortion ruling, in 1992, the court struck down an aspect of a Pennsylvania law that prohibited a doctor from performing an abortion on a married woman unless she confirmed in writing that she had notified her husband.

Ms. Rosenthal said the 1992 decision should have ended the recent lawsuit before it began. "If you don't have to notify a spouse," she said, "you certainly don't give a veto right to a former boyfriend."

Courts in Pennsylvania and elsewhere have rejected suits similar to the one filed by Mr. Stachokus.

In an interview before the court ruled yesterday, Mr. Stachokus's lawyer, John P. Williamson, said the law in this area was unsettled, but he did not explain how. Mr. Williamson said his client's case was strong.

"What's at issue here is a child's life," he said. "A baby doesn't realize that all these lawyers are trying to abort it."

In his ruling, Judge Conahan said that both Ms. Meyers and Mr. Stachokus were "credible and sincere." But he held that Ms. Meyers had a constitutional right to have an abortion.

"This right is not subject to being vetoed by a woman's husband or partner," Judge Conahan wrote. "Neither an ex-boyfriend nor a fetus has standing to interfere with a woman's choice to terminate her pregnancy."

He continued: "The delay in her procedure has inflicted significant and extreme emotional distress on Meyers, and she faces increased medical risks due to the delay in her procedure."

Judge Conahan did not explain why he had delayed the procedure.

Ms. Rosenthal said that she was pleased by the ruling but that it had taken too long.

"The federal law as well as Pennsylvania court decisions make clear that a man does not have a right to overrule a woman's choice," she said. "It's appalling that this process took as long as it did, and it's shameful that every court in the Pennsylvania court system touched this case and still failed to apply the law."

Mr. Williamson was not available for comment after the ruling. Asked whether Mr. Stachokus will appeal, an assistant to Mr. Williamson, Charles Mammucari, said, "Mr. Williamson is taking every avenue he can to protect the life of the child and the health of the mother."

Ms. Meyers declined to say what her plans were concerning the abortion.

kasia
08-08-2002, 03:45 AM
this issue was raised in 'legally blonde'!


it is odd how that the father is obligated to pay child support if the child is born but he is given no say as to whether the child ought to be born.

i guess...although the child is his, she is the one who will be pregnant for nine months and he has no right to place that obligation on her. on the other hand, nine months is a relatively short period of time in comparison to the entire life of the child.

i forgot what reese witherspoon said--does anyone have the movie?

kasia
08-08-2002, 03:52 AM
to allow guys to have a say just by virtue of them being the father could potentially raise a lot of difficult issues. should we allow guys who donate to sperm banks track where their sperm goes to ensure that the child is born? i guess we can have guys in those situations sign waivers.

just a thought.

artsfartsyjanet
08-15-2002, 10:54 AM
This topic is a repeat of my Medical Ethics class. I shall dive into it later. :D

kasia
11-11-2002, 06:06 PM
*bump*

what to do if *he* won't let you...

lethal
11-11-2002, 10:12 PM
There was this episode of "Sex and the City" where the girls were discussing if they should even tell their partners if they were pregnant and considering an abortion.

As a guy, I'd like to have some say in the decision, but I'm not the one carrying the child for 9 months. I'm not the one undergoing changes in my body and I'm not the one experiencing the pains of giving birth.

Even if the child is born, the mother is still legally responsible for 50% of the costs of raising the child.

It does seem inequitable, that the father has 50% of the reponsibility of the child, if born, but 0% of the input on whether the child will be born.

I suppose the justification is that the woman bears 100% of the burden of carrying and giving birth to the child, so she should have 100% of the decision making power over having the child.

mrazntre
11-11-2002, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by kasia@Aug 8 2002, 09:45 AM
this issue was raised in 'legally blonde'!


it is odd how that the father is obligated to pay child support if the child is born but he is given no say as to whether the child ought to be born.

i guess...although the child is his, she is the one who will be pregnant for nine months and he has no right to place that obligation on her. on the other hand, nine months is a relatively short period of time in comparison to the entire life of the child.

i forgot what reese witherspoon said--does anyone have the movie?
good point kasia.

what bullshit.

But I think it all goes back to the judge. Whether he/she be a liberal/conservative, it's up to the nurtured beliefs of the judge. It is disconcerting to know that judges are not objective beings and bring into cases their own thoughts and feelings. This is not to say that the particular judge in this case acted in this way. However, there are judges who make preconceptions concerning different situations and apply those preconceptions to every case, regardless of the details involved.

If a man were to say, "abort it," and the woman were to say "I want to have it," the usual justification is, "I wasn't the only one there, it takes two to tango." Or, when things go sour, "It's my body I can do whatever I want." It's quite ironic, don't you think? Each position is solidified by not what is right, rather it is taken in regards to how the situation can benefit the other person.


just a broken thought.

enygma
11-11-2002, 10:20 PM
wow, this is a tough issue. personally, i'm not a huge fan of abortion but in any case, it kinda sucks for the guy. he wanted the baby and was willing to take care of her/him after he/she was born so i feel bad for him. but i guess she's the one that will be carrying the baby. i suppose the idea of a surrogate mother will raise further issues.

angel nympho
11-12-2002, 03:00 AM
Originally posted by enygma@Nov 12 2002, 05:20 AM
wow, this is a tough issue. personally, i'm not a huge fan of abortion but in any case, it kinda sucks for the guy. he wanted the baby and was willing to take care of her/him after he/she was born so i feel bad for him. but i guess she's the one that will be carrying the baby. i suppose the idea of a surrogate mother will raise further issues.
Well it sucks for the millions of women out there who are raising children alone because of loser deadbeat dads.

enygma
11-12-2002, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Nov 12 2002, 02:00 AM
Originally posted by enygma@Nov 12 2002, 05:20 AM
wow, this is a tough issue.  personally, i'm not a huge fan of abortion but in any case, it kinda sucks for the guy.  he wanted the baby and was willing to take care of her/him after he/she was born so i feel bad for him.  but i guess she's the one that will be carrying the baby.  i suppose the idea of a surrogate mother will raise further issues.
Well it sucks for the millions of women out there who are raising children alone because of loser deadbeat dads.
that's true, too but this guy was willing to take the baby and wanted to take the baby.

angel nympho
11-12-2002, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by enygma@Nov 12 2002, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Nov 12 2002, 02:00 AM
Originally posted by enygma@Nov 12 2002, 05:20 AM
wow, this is a tough issue. personally, i'm not a huge fan of abortion but in any case, it kinda sucks for the guy. he wanted the baby and was willing to take care of her/him after he/she was born so i feel bad for him. but i guess she's the one that will be carrying the baby. i suppose the idea of a surrogate mother will raise further issues.
Well it sucks for the millions of women out there who are raising children alone because of loser deadbeat dads.
that's true, too but this guy was willing to take the baby and wanted to take the baby.
But I'm sure the woman didn't want to volunteer to be a deadbeat mom. She knew she didn't want to take care of her baby, and instead of having a child who's life she would refuse to be a part of, she didn't have the child.

Hanuman
11-12-2002, 02:56 PM
I've heard of a case where 2 women lovers wanted to have a baby. They talked a male friend into impregnating one of the women, and she subsequently had a baby. The 2 lovers broke up, and the mother of the child sued the father for child support. She won.

Just goes to show you, if it seems too good to be true...it is. I think we have a thread someone that says women are evil. hmmm*scratchs head*

angel nympho
11-12-2002, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by Tawee@Nov 12 2002, 09:56 PM
I've heard of a case where 2 women lovers wanted to have a baby. They talked a male friend into impregnating one of the women, and she subsequently had a baby. The 2 lovers broke up, and the mother of the child sued the father for child support. She won.

Just goes to show you, if it seems too good to be true...it is. I think we have a thread someone that says women are evil. hmmm*scratchs head*
That's fucked. The father shouldn't have won. The ex-lover should have to pay child support, instead.

Elizabeth A.
11-13-2002, 09:33 PM
If we ever want even a semblance of equality between men and women, it must be up to the woman, who is the one who carries the child for nine months and then gives birth to it, to decide what happens to her own body.
I do not believe abortion is a wonderful thing, but I believe the choice should always be there.

As for the father's guarantee that he will take care of the child: I'd like to think that he actually would, but more often once the baby comes the father skips out of the picture. My mother works in a program for pregnant teenage girls and those with babies, and that's what happens most of the time.

artsfartsyjanet
11-14-2002, 12:43 AM
My aunt had an abortion. She's had medical problems since she did it. Plus, I think it's because she suffered a miscarriage. I'm still fuzzy about the exact details. About this topic,
it is definitely very controversial and probably won't work towards any resolution BUT... I think that abortion should be an individual's choice, but if I were in that woman's situation, I would keep the baby. My life would change dramatically, and perhaps, it's too naive for me to make such a swift choice, but that's what i think.

mydnyht
11-16-2002, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Nov 12 2002, 10:17 PM
Originally posted by Tawee@Nov 12 2002, 09:56 PM
I've heard of a case where 2 women lovers wanted to have a baby.  They talked a male friend into impregnating one of the women, and she subsequently had a baby.  The 2 lovers broke up, and the mother of the child sued the father for child support.  She won.

Just goes to show you, if it seems too good to be true...it is.  I think we have a thread someone that says women are evil.  hmmm*scratchs head*
That's fucked. The father shouldn't have won. The ex-lover should have to pay child support, instead.
I agree with that. It was the two women's child... they chose to have the child raised with two women parental figures, instead of a woman and a man, so why bring the man into it?
I, personally, am against abortion, and that's kinda sad that the father wanted to keep the baby and couldn't... but, again, he wasn't the one carrying the baby in his womb for 9 months. I agree with Janet... I would definitely keep the baby, even if I am young... and I can't see myself getting into that situation, anyway, unless I was raped, because I plan on staying a virgin until I'm married.