Who's your favorite rapper? [Archive]

pfc beansprout

12-26-2002, 02:03 AM

biggie...lyrically, biggie has to be the tightest mc..don't get me wrong, i loved tupac back in his heyday..but towards the end there, he got crazy...doggin everyone and all..and wtf is the deal w/a new record every year? his mom milkin his shit...

~besides big, pac, mos def, nas (umm..startin to get pop though), redman (heh..his rhymes funny and corny at same time), black thought (roots one of favorites to see live), outkast (well...fav group, not mc), ditto J5 (awesome in concert), dmx (fuck ja rule), pharoah monch, murray, eazy-e (call me crazy, but i liked his shit), cube (early years), prodigy, and goodie mobb (ehh, group).

iris

12-26-2002, 02:43 AM

Tupac. The Rose that Grew from Concrete.

537

12-26-2002, 08:24 AM

Havoc
Prodigy
Rza

artsfartsyjanet

12-26-2002, 09:10 AM

LL Cool J baby.
Outkast (group)... can't think of the name of the guy.

wylin

12-26-2002, 09:10 AM

oldies but goodies

- Run DMC
- Grand master flash
- whodini
- cybertron

and the legend

- kurtis blow!

other oldies i like

- Mc breed
- Warren G
- Gucchi Crew

ChairmanMah

12-26-2002, 09:32 AM

i'd have to say mobb deep, nas, beatnuts, fat joe, some tupac, some dilated ppls.

tony touch has some pretty good verses too.

and some of the older black moon/buckshot stuff

ChairmanMah

12-26-2002, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by VBKao@Dec 26 2002, 09:40 AM
Chino XL actually tore that Tupac a new asshole in some of his freestyles.

Favorite MC's:
Mos Def
Black Thought
Talib Kweli
Pharoahe Monch
Rakim
yeah, black thought and mos def too.

ism

12-26-2002, 02:02 PM

1980's: Run DMC, Grandmaster Flash, Slick Rick, Public Enemy
1990's: Redman, De La Soul, Das EFX, A Tribe Called Quest
2000's: Common, DMX, Rah Digga

537

12-26-2002, 02:04 PM

I forgot to add the Digables (Digable Planets)

man they had Blowout Comb, that shiat was the tightest.

rakovlam

12-26-2002, 04:01 PM

Nas!

"Yo, all I need is one mic, one beat, one stage
One nigga front, my face on the front page
Only if I had one gun, one girl and one crib"

wylin

12-26-2002, 04:33 PM

my fav 90's rappers

NWA, Dr. dre, coolio, snoop, puffy all has beens now

axi0m

12-26-2002, 04:41 PM

Jurrasic 5! Oh, and for a little international flavor, Dragon Ash. (Hope I don't get flamed for that one...)

-Satoshi-

Commando_turned_MD

12-26-2002, 04:43 PM

I'm not too big into Rap.......I find it very repulsive...
The only rapper that is bearable is ~Slim Shady~.
I prefer the good O' Country......Yeeeeeeehawwwwwwwwwwwww. "I beat the wife, get drunk, and shoot the dog".........Yeeeeeeeehawwwwwwww :P

applehead

12-26-2002, 05:26 PM

:gross:

mrazntre

12-26-2002, 05:56 PM

snoop dogg
kurupt
dialated peoples
black eyed peas
project pat
kid frost
warren g
epmd
geto boys
x to the z
too short
richie rich
e-40
mc eiht
dj quik

1 hit wonders:
paperboy
ahmad
mc breed

angel nympho

12-26-2002, 06:31 PM

OHHHH, I'm pissed. WHY doesn't anybody SHOW some fuckin' LOVE for KRS ONE?!????? He OWNS everybody else.

But other than that... j5, tribe, dilated, atmosphere, see yeah i kno whats up.

if anybody says "nelly" i'm gonna beat some ass.

Chi

12-26-2002, 07:02 PM

KRS ONE sucks... he's a good battle rapper, but that's it. There's more to it than just battling.

Nobody is as good as Pac... nobody will ever be in my opinion.

I'm surprised nobody has said Jay-Z... I think he's good.

I think Common is horrible... he just talks... what the hell is all that about? talking over a beat? it's like he's reciting a really bad poem over a beat. He was good when he was underground as commonsense, but he sucks now that he went mainstream.

iris

12-26-2002, 07:55 PM

Oh man. Forgot about Paperboy, but such a good 1 hit. Yeah Dilated Peoples. nice one.

iris

12-26-2002, 08:21 PM

Just downloaded:

Ditty - Paperboy
Let's Get Married - Jagged Edge (remix Run DMC)

Does anyone know of any songs with similiar chill beats and groove rhythems? I wanna make a mix.

axi0m

12-26-2002, 08:41 PM

I like KRS One too... he did a cool song with Zack de la Rocha and some others.. (I'm a big RATM fan too).

-Satoshi-

terence

12-26-2002, 08:50 PM

Big Daddy Kane...ain't no half steppin'

ism

12-26-2002, 09:19 PM

Originally posted by angel nympho@Dec 26 2002, 09:31 PM
OHHHH, I'm pissed. WHY doesn't anybody SHOW some fuckin' LOVE for KRS ONE?!????? He OWNS everybody else.
KRS One is the best freestyler but his studio work is not the greatest. It's kind of funny how violent and militant his earlier tracks are, considering he later got hammered by gangsta rap when he did Edutainment and started the HEAL project. His self-prescribed role as "The Teacha" doesn't really help commercially either. Music has galvanized the masses before but not the way he's been doing it. Kind of annoying, actually. For socially conscious east coast rap give me Public Enemy any day.

ism

12-26-2002, 09:44 PM

Originally posted by iris@Dec 26 2002, 11:21 PM
Just downloaded:

Ditty - Paperboy
Let's Get Married - Jagged Edge (remix Run DMC)

Does anyone know of any songs with similiar chill beats and groove rhythems? I wanna make a mix.
Run DMC - 30 Days (practically the same beat, cute song too, RIP JMJ)
Common - The Light (samples Bobby Caldwell lol)
A Tribe Called Quest - Can I Kick It?
A Tribe Called Quest - Electric Relaxation
De La Soul - The Magic Number
De La Soul w/ Redman - Oooh!
Digable Planets - Rebirth of Slick (the definition of cool)
Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five - The Message

Hito

12-26-2002, 11:47 PM

X-Clan (Brother J still has the best flow to this day)
KRS 1
Public Enemy
2-Pac
Del tha funky homosapien

TyroneK(prettypretty)

12-27-2002, 12:14 AM

Originally posted by ism@Dec 27 2002, 05:44 AM
Originally posted by iris@Dec 26 2002, 11:21 PM
Just downloaded:

Ditty - Paperboy
Let's Get Married - Jagged Edge (remix Run DMC)

Does anyone know of any songs with similiar chill beats and groove rhythems? I wanna make a mix.
Run DMC - 30 Days (practically the same beat, cute song too, RIP JMJ)
Common - The Light (samples Bobby Caldwell lol)
A Tribe Called Quest - Can I Kick It?
A Tribe Called Quest - Electric Relaxation
De La Soul - The Magic Number
De La Soul w/ Redman - Oooh!
Digable Planets - Rebirth of Slick (the definition of cool)
Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five - The Message
Method Man feat. D'Angelo - Make Ups 2 Break Ups
Bilal feat. Mos Def & Common - Reminisce
Craig David feat. Mos Def - 7 Days (Premier Remix)
Lauryn Hill - Sweetest Thing
OutKast - Player's Ball
Jonell feat. Method Man, Kool G Rap & Pharoahe Monch - Round & Round
Wu-Tang Clan - C.R.E.A.M.

kimiko

12-27-2002, 12:40 AM

tupac :luv:
im so happy to see that others still listen to him too...me against the world is my most favoritest albumn of all time :P although id have to say that smile is my favorite song...

second runners up:
black star, talib kweli, wu tang, xzhibit (i love paparazzi), dj quik, nas, dmx, e40, outkast, and you cant forget about de la soul!!

im convinced there is no way i could ever live without rap/hip hop music...ill be a tiny asian grandma rolling around in a wheelchair and still listening to it...

tvbdude

12-27-2002, 12:45 AM

nas

iris

12-27-2002, 04:42 AM

Originally posted by VBKao@Dec 27 2002, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by ism@Dec 27 2002, 05:44 AM
Originally posted by iris@Dec 26 2002, 11:21 PM
Just downloaded:

Ditty - Paperboy
Let's Get Married - Jagged Edge (remix Run DMC)

Does anyone know of any songs with similiar chill beats and groove rhythems? I wanna make a mix.
Run DMC - 30 Days (practically the same beat, cute song too, RIP JMJ)
Common - The Light (samples Bobby Caldwell lol)
A Tribe Called Quest - Can I Kick It?
A Tribe Called Quest - Electric Relaxation
De La Soul - The Magic Number
De La Soul w/ Redman - Oooh!
Digable Planets - Rebirth of Slick (the definition of cool)
Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five - The Message
Method Man feat. D'Angelo - Make Ups 2 Break Ups
Bilal feat. Mos Def & Common - Reminisce
Craig David feat. Mos Def - 7 Days (Premier Remix)
Lauryn Hill - Sweetest Thing
OutKast - Player's Ball
Jonell feat. Method Man, Kool G Rap & Pharoahe Monch - Round & Round
Wu-Tang Clan - C.R.E.A.M.
you guys rock! *hugz*

Fireblade

12-27-2002, 05:48 AM

Tu-Pac (always my fav.)

ll cool j's earlier stuff
black eye peas
wutang
bone thugs
jurassic five
freestylers
dre, eminem
ice cube's earlier stuff
snoop dogg
eve, nelly

There was this one guy named JIN who's supposedly with Ruff Ryders now. He was the chinese guy who beat out everyone else in BET Freestyle Fridays, or some shit like that. He's HELLA GOOD. I wanna see what he puts out. If he's successful, that'd be sweet. Of course, it'd be another Eminem thing going on, cuz you know... race matters. *shrug*

atyc

12-27-2002, 05:53 AM

Originally posted by axi0m@Dec 27 2002, 04:41 AM
I like KRS One too... he did a cool song with Zack de la Rocha and some others.. (I'm a big RATM fan too).

-Satoshi-
RATM rocks but I think Zack has quit the band already. :( I remember 10 years ago when I first heard Killing in the name, it was so different but yet it was so damn good. I think they are the one who started this Rap Metal shit and they just kick ass.

Hito

12-27-2002, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by Hito@Dec 27 2002, 12:47 AM
X-Clan (Brother J still has the best flow to this day)
KRS 1
Public Enemy
2-Pac
Del tha funky homosapien
I totaly forgot
Michael Franti's groups Spearhread & the disposable heroes of hiphoprisy

and
Saul Williams

Ozomatli

contra_diction

12-27-2002, 01:05 PM

Chop-Jae (hmmm?)
Drunken Tiger (gayo fa life)
Ghostface Killah (so much enthusiasm)
J-Live (underground prodigy)
De la Soul (who can doubt)
Unorthadox (moondirt productions shout!)
Tupac (One!)
Nas (Jay-Z got destroyed)
E-40 (V-town represent)
KRS-One (stay true)
Syraquse (the homeboy in that Chokehold)
Jin (mad props)

axi0m

12-27-2002, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by atyc@Dec 27 2002, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by axi0m@Dec 27 2002, 04:41 AM
I like KRS One too... he did a cool song with Zack de la Rocha and some others.. (I'm a big RATM fan too).

-Satoshi-
RATM rocks but I think Zack has quit the band already. :( I remember 10 years ago when I first heard Killing in the name, it was so different but yet it was so damn good. I think they are the one who started this Rap Metal shit and they just kick ass.
Yes, Zack left the band. However, the remaining members picked up Chris Cornell (Soundgarden) and their new band Audioslave is pretty good. I bought the CD.

-Satoshi-

iris

12-27-2002, 03:18 PM

Got to see RATM twice, opening for U2 while Zac de la Rocha was still in the band. Put on a good show.

Chi

12-27-2002, 03:37 PM

2Pac's "Ambitionz Az A Ridah" has a chill beat

ChairmanMah

12-27-2002, 04:10 PM

i think you have to respect krs-1 but i think that he thinks he knows everything.

i don't think he has a good voice... either that or i'm just sick of hearing it.

well it seems like everyone is just making list of artists who they listen to so i'll add a few more.....

can't forget Guru & Gangstarr
pharcyde
kurupt
nore
roots
alkaholiks
kurupt
nate dogg
mr. cheeks
geto boys
group home
Tribe & Dela of course
J5
Big L

and many more

karizma

12-27-2002, 04:45 PM

gangster rap makes me wanna die :D...sorry haha

what happened to razael? haha he was cool =P

er...aesop rock...j5...talib...i like them

DaBestSpooner

12-28-2002, 02:44 AM

d&d crew\gangstarr
everyone from DITC
Zev Love X (not crazy about him being MF Doom now)
Zeebra from King Ghidorah
Big Daddy Kane
Grand Daddy IU
Big L
Biggie Smalls
Ultramagnetic M.C.'s
Kurious
Lord Finesse

terence

12-28-2002, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by Hito@Dec 26 2002, 11:47 PM
X-Clan (Brother J still has the best flow to this day)

Youuuuu suckaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!! :D

Hiroshi2

12-28-2002, 02:23 PM

nas, the roots, tupac, run dmc, naughty by nature, outkast

i like underground rap though

biggie was ok but a bit overrated.

BTW, RATM is awesome! My fav: Know Your Enemy.

ChairmanMah

12-28-2002, 03:00 PM

large prof
of the group main source.

Hito

12-28-2002, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by terence@Dec 28 2002, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by Hito@Dec 26 2002, 11:47 PM
X-Clan (Brother J still has the best flow to this day)

Youuuuu suckaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!! :D
do you mean...

Sissyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!

Faithless

07-05-2003, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by Chi@Dec 26 2002, 07:02 PM
KRS ONE sucks... he's a good battle rapper, but that's it. There's more to it than just battling.
KRS One has had his moments. Here's a partial from Why is That? It's controversial and political, whether it's true or not. :rolleyes:

Genesis chapter eleven verse ten
Explains the geneology of Chem
Chem was a black man, in Africa
If you repeat this fact they can't laugh at ya
Genesis fourteen verse thirteen
Abraham steps on the scene
Being a descendent of Chem which is a fact
Means, Abraham too was black
Abraham born in the city of a black man
Called Nimrod grandson of Kam
Kam had four sons, one was named Canaan
Here, let me do some explaining
Abraham was the father of Isaac
Isaac was the father of Jacob
Jacob had twelve sons, for real
And these, were the children of Isreal
According to Genesis chapter ten
Egyptains descended from {Hahm,Kam}
Six hundred years later, my brother, read up
Moses was born in Egypt
In this era black Egyptians weren't right
They enslaved black Isrealites
Moses had to be of the black race
Because he spent fourty years in Pharoah's place
He passed as the Pharoah's grandson
So he had to look just like him
Yes my brothers and sisters take this here song
Yo, correct the wrong
The information we get today is just wack

My Name Is...

07-05-2003, 03:01 AM

Originally posted by 537@Dec 26 2002, 02:04 PM
I forgot to add the Digables (Digable Planets)

man they had Blowout Comb, that shiat was the tightest.
Good choice! I like the album cover a lot.

My Name Is...

07-05-2003, 03:03 AM

Originally posted by mrazntre@Dec 26 2002, 05:56 PM
snoop dogg
kurupt
dialated peoples
black eyed peas
project pat
kid frost
warren g
epmd
geto boys
x to the z
too short
richie rich
e-40
mc eiht
dj quik

1 hit wonders:
paperboy
ahmad
mc breed
Project Pat? Didn't he do that song "Chicken, chicken, chickenhead"?
I saw the video, and lemme say he and the rapper girl were :gross:.

Hiroshi2

07-05-2003, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by Fireblade@Dec 27 2002, 08:48 AM
Tu-Pac (always my fav.)

ll cool j's earlier stuff
black eye peas
wutang
bone thugs
jurassic five
freestylers
dre, eminem
ice cube's earlier stuff
snoop dogg
eve, nelly

There was this one guy named JIN who's supposedly with Ruff Ryders now. He was the chinese guy who beat out everyone else in BET Freestyle Fridays, or some shit like that. He's HELLA GOOD. I wanna see what he puts out. If he's successful, that'd be sweet. Of course, it'd be another Eminem thing going on, cuz you know... race matters. *shrug*
The thing about the Black Eyed Peas is that, now that they've got a #1 song out (Where is the Love?), it sucks. It sounds so watered down, and that's why some rappers really should stay underground. Once they go pop, lyrics and the songs in general start getting fucked with. I'm afraid that's what's gonna happen when that guy Jin from 106& Park releases a major label album. I hope it doesn't though, that dude was tight as hell.

Deadpool

07-05-2003, 04:26 PM

Dr.Dre
Eminem

pfc beansprout

07-05-2003, 05:45 PM

now...watch out for SHYNE...he got some mad potential...

coagulated fat

07-05-2003, 10:03 PM

Tupac (but everyone says that)
Nas
Mos Def
Talib Kweli
Jurassic 5
Jean Grae

Rappers I like for shallow reasons:
Eve - for her style
Nelly - for his cuteness

Faithless

07-06-2003, 09:25 AM

Seems that male rap artists seem to have an edge, here.

What happened to Queen Latifa? U.N.I.T.Y.

My Name Is...

07-06-2003, 09:32 AM

Well to be honest, there just aren't many rappesses (female word for rapper, which I made up) out there in the game. Hip-hop is a world dominated by Black men.

Faithless

07-06-2003, 09:41 AM

Yeah, you're probably right. Here's a list from about.com (b/w of popups):

http://www.rap.about.com/library/weekly/aa...htm?PM=ss04_rap (http://www.rap.about.com/library/weekly/aatpfemalesofalltime.htm?PM=ss04_rap)

M.C. Lyte
Queen Latifah
Bahamadia
(Lady of) Rage
Salt 'N Pepa
Monie Love
Li'l Kim
Foxy Brown
Lauryn Hill
Da Brat

My Name Is...

07-06-2003, 09:47 AM

I can think of two more:
Charli Baltimore and Rah Digga

My Name Is...

07-06-2003, 09:53 AM

There's also Angie Martinez.. but I question her rappin skills. Have you seen the video featuring Kellis called "take you home" or something like that? She CANNOT dance.
I think she should stick to her day job.

Everglaze

07-06-2003, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by angel nympho@Dec 25 2002, 10:49 PM
krs one can.
Exactly!

Krs-One is my favorite.

Everglaze

07-06-2003, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by Chi@Dec 26 2002, 07:02 PM
KRS ONE sucks... he's a good battle rapper, but that's it. There's more to it than just battling.

Nobody is as good as Pac... nobody will ever be in my opinion.

I'm surprised nobody has said Jay-Z... I think he's good.

I think Common is horrible... he just talks... what the hell is all that about? talking over a beat? it's like he's reciting a really bad poem over a beat. He was good when he was underground as commonsense, but he sucks now that he went mainstream.
Excuse me? why do you listen to Hip Hop?

obviously someone doesn't know their Hip Hop history here.

All respect goes to this list right here BEFORE any emcee out there PERIOD:

1. Krs-One
2. Rakim
3. Big Daddy Kane
4. Run-Dmc
5. Kool G Rap

Without these guys, there WOULD BE NO 2Pac..

Common is horrible? oh my god....what type of taste do you have in Hip Hop? Nelly? I bet you like Ja Rule too huh?

How can you say that he's reciting a really bad poem over a beat? obviously someone is not open-minded here. He's very soulful, have you heard his "Like water for chocolate" album? that's some nice Jazz with soul experimentation there, musically and lyrically well done. People need to learn to listen to Hip Hop beyond just dope flows and rhymes of the same repetitive stuff. This isn't 1996, it's 2003 and Hip Hop will continue to expand like it or not. It's a shame that all the people who think they know so much about Hip Hop yet don't even know Run-Dmc are still trapped in an era that's been gone a while now. If Hip Hop never elevates then we will always continue to hear the same tunes thus making the genre THAT much more boring.

As far as I'm concerned, the music that the pioneers made will never be surpassed. OLD SCHOOL Hip Hop in general will never be surpassed, that was when everybody was underground.

Oh yeah, I recommend a song for you if you beg to differ about the comparisons of current Hip Hop state.

Binary Star - Honest Expression.

coagulated fat

07-06-2003, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by My Name Is...@Jul 6 2003, 08:32 AM
Well to be honest, there just aren't many rappesses (female word for rapper, which I made up) out there in the game. Hip-hop is a world dominated by Black men.
Jean Grae!

I love the sound of rappesses.

hooligan

07-06-2003, 03:29 PM

rappesses? L'trimm and the Fanny Pack girls :)

um

my current favorites are these white, but concious rappers named anticon, specifically sage francis, atmosphere, slug (my friend michelle suggested them to me)

but krs-one is an awesome rapper. he's got a lot of good things to say. i'm kind of against the ghettoization of hip hop, so i'm not down with everything on mtv.

-ben

Everglaze

07-06-2003, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by hooligan@Jul 6 2003, 02:29 PM
rappesses? L'trimm and the Fanny Pack girls :)

um

my current favorites are these white, but concious rappers named anticon, specifically sage francis, atmosphere, slug (my friend michelle suggested them to me)

but krs-one is an awesome rapper. he's got a lot of good things to say. i'm kind of against the ghettoization of hip hop, so i'm not down with everything on mtv.

-ben
Anticon is a label developed by Sole and Slug. They have highly dropped since '98 but there's nothing wrong with experimenting. They're more on the "Free-form" side than the usual "Rhyme-form." For example, Sole's "Selling Live Water" compared to "Learning to Walk", a collection of old tracks when he used to rhyme.

Sage Francis is not an official Anticon member, the label distributes his CDs, that's about it but he's dope. Real abstract and witty on the spoken-word channel.

Slug is dope, he's not aligned nor associated with Anticon anymore though due to some personal issues concerning him and Sole over something I'm not too sure of.

Atmosphere is Slug's group although it's now only split to a duo instead of a trio (Spawn left after the first album). Slug is the emcee to listen to for deep love/depressive songs.

If you like Anticon's work, you should check out Aesop Rock from El-P's label Def Jux.

Also consider checking out Saul Williams if you like Sage's style.

hooligan

07-06-2003, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by Everglaze@Jul 6 2003, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by hooligan@Jul 6 2003, 02:29 PM
rappesses? L'trimm and the Fanny Pack girls :)

um

my current favorites are these white, but concious rappers named anticon, specifically sage francis, atmosphere, slug (my friend michelle suggested them to me)

but krs-one is an awesome rapper.  he's got a lot of good things to say.  i'm kind of against the ghettoization of hip hop, so i'm not down with everything on mtv. 

-ben
Anticon is a label developed by Sole and Slug. They have highly dropped since '98 but there's nothing wrong with experimenting. They're more on the "Free-form" side than the usual "Rhyme-form." For example, Sole's "Selling Live Water" compared to "Learning to Walk", a collection of old tracks when he used to rhyme.

Sage Francis is not an official Anticon member, the label distributes his CDs, that's about it but he's dope. Real abstract and witty on the spoken-word channel.

Slug is dope, he's not aligned nor associated with Anticon anymore though due to some personal issues concerning him and Sole over something I'm not too sure of.

Atmosphere is Slug's group although it's now only split to a duo instead of a trio (Spawn left after the first album). Slug is the emcee to listen to for deep love/depressive songs.

If you like Anticon's work, you should check out Aesop Rock from El-P's label Def Jux.

Also consider checking out Saul Williams if you like Sage's style.
thanks for the reply,

i've listened to a couple of aesop rock's stuff, it's not bad but i guess i wasn't in the right mood to enjoy it. ahah, thanks for the history lesson too. :) as for saul williams, i thought he was more of a spoken word artist, not a rapper. i saw him when he came to ucla. he was awesome, pretty inspirational too, and cracked some jokes about being distributed by mtv.

BeTheReds

07-06-2003, 05:58 PM

I have always liked Cypress Hill...

Faithless

07-07-2003, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Jul 6 2003, 04:58 PM
I have always liked Cypress Hill...
I go by and forth with Cypress Hill.

I was offended by the "Kill A Man" lyrics, because I thought they were thoughtless. I understand the sentiment, but I think it is the wrong justification for violence.

The lyrical style is cool, though.

Commando_turned_MD

07-16-2003, 10:03 AM

I dont like rap music, so I dont have a favorite artist to list

bluetrianglescott

07-16-2003, 10:53 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Everglaze @ Jul 6 2003, 03:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Also consider checking out Saul Williams if you like Sage's style.[/b][/quote]
Did anyone mention stic.man from dead prez? Sometimes his shit is scary good--you get that rush of recognizing that someone is saying some true shit that might get them killed--or might get somebody killed. "meet me up on capitol hill and we can get up on some real shit--assassination" "On the low from po po, so fuck the ho-lice, cause 'peace' to me is loaded under my seat"

Everglaze

07-19-2003, 09:51 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bluetrianglescott @ Jul 16 2003, 09:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Everglaze @ Jul 6 2003, 03:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Also consider checking out Saul Williams if you like Sage's style.[/b][/quote]
Did anyone mention stic.man from dead prez? Sometimes his shit is scary good--you get that rush of recognizing that someone is saying some true shit that might get them killed--or might get somebody killed. "meet me up on capitol hill and we can get up on some real shit--assassination" "On the low from po po, so fuck the ho-lice, cause 'peace' to me is loaded under my seat" [/b][/quote]
Dead Prez is very true. They're political Hip Hop and I can really relate to what their saying.

Good choice of Hip Hop to listen to.

Iconoclastic

07-19-2003, 01:42 PM

Try Kool Keith.  Funny as hell

Everglaze

07-22-2003, 09:12 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Iconoclastic @ Jul 19 2003, 12:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Try Kool Keith. Funny as hell [/b][/quote]
Yeah, Kool Keith is somewhat of a genius with the potential to soar along his own scale of good, dope, excellent to even mediocre. He's just full of surprises.
He's also been in the game for a long time, notably since the 80's when he was with Ultramagnetic MCs. His Dr.Octagon persona was rather dope, get that album, he only has one under that alias and it's fresh. Also check out his "Sex Style" album which got quite a praise and "First come, first served" under his Dr.Dooom alias. He has also done projects with Tim Dog and with Ice T as the Analog Brothers. "Pimp to Eat" is the album by them.

Anyway, anyone who wants to listen to Kool Keith should dig in the crates to find more of his earlier material done with Godfather Don and under his other genius personalities. He's still on my list of most creative emcees.

Oh yeah, about the whole "Not a lot of female emcees" in the game. There are a lot, just not a lot that are really good. The mainstream ones are usually the bad ones cause all they have is their sex styles and appeals but that is what sells records I guess in their perspective.

I suggest you listen to Jean Grae, Bahamadia, Lioness, Medusa, Apani B. Fly, Psalm One, Mz. Marvel, Mystic and perhaps even Jane Doe for the ill femcees who have lyrics that go beyond just the norm of sex appeal and whatnot.

Faithless

01-30-2004, 10:58 PM

nas, the roots, tupac, run dmc, naughty by nature, outkast
i like underground rap though
biggie was ok but a bit overrated.
BTW, RATM is awesome! My fav: Know Your Enemy.

Speaking of which, Outkast (http://zeero.zapto.org/tunes/Outkast/)

hooligan

01-30-2004, 11:03 PM

i'm becoming a fast fan of atmosphere

krazy

01-30-2004, 11:11 PM

i like eminem now, but back in the day tupac and biggie were awesome. the wu-tang clan had great lyrics, but that's what happens when you have like what 10 members collaborating on a project =) But c'mon guys what about will smith?? The Fresh Prince man!!

Faithless

01-30-2004, 11:40 PM

Ever since Robbery Homicide Division went off the air, I haven't been able to get my fill of Deltron 3030.

But then I found this link and their rap made TV theme 3030 (http://www.sactolounge.com/Deltron3030.htm)

moJo

01-31-2004, 02:29 AM

a tribe called quest, snoop (old stuff), tupac (old stuff), and ludacris. also, RATM. i never thought of them as rappers, though i suppose Zach was/is.

krazy

02-01-2004, 01:30 AM

RATM was so cool back in the day. They were by far the best rap/rock band imo. It's a pity they had to break up. Wonder what Zach up to these days....

Faithless

05-25-2004, 07:03 AM

Jumble of voices out-shouts Twista's talents (http://www.jsonline.com/onwisconsin/music/may04/231730.asp)
Posted: May 24, 2004
Rap rules the top 40 airwaves, tops the charts and, increasingly, influences the worlds of fashion, movies and video games.

The lyrically focused genre boasts charismatic and talented performers, including Chicago's motor-mouthed Twista, who headlined The Rave Sunday evening.

Rap superstars have helmed successful, large-scale national arena tours, such as recent package bills organized and headlined by the likes of Jay-Z and Dr. Dre.

But the truth is, rap will never be taken seriously as a legitimate force in live music until more of its artists start taking their performances seriously.

Sunday's Twista show was in many ways a textbook example of what's wrong with the genre when it moves from the studio to the live stage.

Twista has both lyrical wit and the impressive ability to deliver his rhymes at machine-gun pace. The rapper's years as a regional star but B-list national artist are finally behind him with the release of this year's "Kamikaze," which has already yielded the hits "Slow Jamz" and "Overnight Celebrity," both performed mid-set Sunday.

There are a handful of additional singles on the album just waiting to explode onto radio, including "So Sexy" and "Like a 24," both of which made the set list as well.

Twista also worked in a short freestyling interlude and reached as far back as 1997's "Adrenaline Rush" to please the sizable contingent of longtime fans.

Alas, too many members of Twista's posse milling around onstage had their own microphones - but not their stage-mate's formidable delivery talent. Instead of Twista's crisp staccato, songs too often dissolved into a muddle of competing voices.

Rap cliches that were worn out a decade ago were dutifully trotted out, shout-outs to "the ladies" and "the fellas" and entreaties to "make some (expletive) noise" among them.

Twista's set was itself anti-climactic, as scores of fans began heading to the exits as soon as a medley of the rapper's party anthems, including the booty-praising "Badunkadunk," wound down.

The rapper and his trio of would-be helpers stayed on the stage for another 15 minutes, however, talking to each other and demanding additional "hell yeah's" from the crowd before eventually wandering off.

Opening act White Boy was late arriving to the venue, and the 20 or so local rappers and hangers-on who attempted to warm the crowd up during the wait overstayed their welcome. The capacity crowd, already irked about waiting nearly 90 minutes past showtime for something to happen, grew increasingly restless until the sound was cut for the local rappers, who were then escorted from the stage by security.

White Boy finally arrived with his own entourage of a dozen or so people, several of whom also had microphones and took turns out-shouting him.

While nearly all of the producer-turned-rapper's scant half-hour set was a jumble of voices, shout-outs and reminders to buy his album "No Gray Area," the pop-rap appeal inherent in his better songs, notably the Kanye West-produced "U Know," shone through in brief glimmers, like diamonds in a dust heap.

capoeira

05-25-2004, 07:40 AM

Nas

KRS 1

Cormega

Talib kwali

Mobb Deep

The Diplomats

http://www.papermag.com/stylin/fashion/shows/03fall/new_york/backstage/baby_phat/images/camron.jpg Killa!

Hiroshi2

05-25-2004, 03:08 PM

Bhodi_Li

05-25-2004, 03:23 PM

DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince

Faithless

05-25-2004, 03:39 PM

World Class Wrecking Crew

capoeira

05-25-2004, 04:07 PM

^^^Wow....he takin' it back!

Faithless

05-25-2004, 04:42 PM

Not that I know "old school", but I used to have rap records that dated that far back.

Curtis Blow.
UTFO.
Whodini.
Newcleus.
Fat Boys.
Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five / Melle Mel.
Almost every record of Run/DMC upto a point.

capoeira

05-25-2004, 07:21 PM

i would pay through the nose for many of those albums! Do you realize you're sitting on a peice of history? Do you still have those records?

Faithless

05-26-2004, 07:55 AM

Nope. Sold them years ago.

Whodini was secretly very good.

Faithless

11-10-2004, 04:37 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/chottomatte/mclyte001.jpg

MC Lyte.

Lookin' tight
At 33.

Don't let the looks deceive you.

She can match the best of 'em word-for-word.

Espa Roba

11-10-2004, 04:53 PM

Eminem.

Hiroshi2

11-10-2004, 06:11 PM

^ I never have been able to really get into Em...............he has his moments, but I never *liked* him......................"Mosh" is good one though.

As far as my favorite rapper - well of course it changes all the time. Right now though - Common, David Banner, OutKast.................all of them with albums coming up sometime within the next few months. Lil Wayne's album was pretty tight too.......................even though he ain't a rapper, Lil Jon's new album is real hot down here, everybody tryin to get that one. I don't want it for real. I want real rappin. Kweli's album is so-so and Mos Def clowned on his new one, from what I heard. I can't stand Jadakiss' new one, even though "Why" was a real tight song.

BTW........................I now nominate Chingy as the lamest fuckin rapper alive. I can't stand that dude, with his weak ass songs.............."I'm a balla baby"...................shut the fuck up, man, and let your producers hook up with somebody more worthy of their beats. Fuck Ciara too (I know she ain't a rapper, but still). She can't sing, and yes I saw her live, about a couple of weeks ago. She barely can even lip sync. She just has Jazze Pha and Lil Jon producing her songs, which is why I like them. Not because she can actually sing. I told somebody that, and they were like, "well she hasn't learned to control her breath and tone of her voice yet." Wasn't she supposed to know how to do that *before* she got a recording contract??????

Kuchana

11-10-2004, 07:16 PM

BTW........................I now nominate Chingy as the lamest fuckin rapper alive. I can't stand that dude, with his weak ass songs.............."I'm a balla baby"...................shut the fuck up, man, and let your producers hook up with somebody more worthy of their beats. Fuck Ciara too (I know she ain't a rapper, but still). She can't sing, and yes I saw her live, about a couple of weeks ago. She barely can even lip sync. She just has Jazze Pha and Lil Jon producing her songs, which is why I like them. Not because she can actually sing. I told somebody that, and they were like, "well she hasn't learned to control her breath and tone of her voice yet." Wasn't she supposed to know how to do that *before* she got a recording contract??????

Isn't Ciara an Aaliyah wannabe? It seems like it to me.

Faithless

11-10-2004, 09:19 PM

...
BTW........................I now nominate Chingy as the lamest fuckin rapper alive.
Worse than "Fat Joe"? Or the Yin-Yang Twins? Or the Insane Clown Posse?

Actually any rapper with a "soft sound" puts me to sleep.

Kuchana

11-10-2004, 10:51 PM

Worse than "Fat Joe"? Or the Yin-Yang Twins? Or the Insane Clown Posse?

Actually any rapper with a "soft sound" puts me to sleep.

Hey hey! :) I like Fat Joe. Well only his What's Luv. But I can't stand his Lean Back. I don't get why it's playing in rotation so much now.

Hiroshi2

11-11-2004, 08:26 AM

Worse than "Fat Joe"? Or the Yin-Yang Twins? Or the Insane Clown Posse?

Actually any rapper with a "soft sound" puts me to sleep.

Yeah he's worse than the Ying Yang Twins. I can't stand them either...............actually now that I think about it, it might be a tie. But they got good club/party songs.

Chingy is just.........................ugh. Just super fuckin lame. That's all I have to say about that dude. All his songs are stupid ass little girl songs. He tried to be a little thug on a song with the entire DTP label (Ludacris, I-20, Titi Boi) called "We Got" but it didn't work cause Chingy ain't a thug and he don't look like one either.

@ Kuchana -

Now that I think about it.....................yeah. But nobody can replace Baby Girl. I remember having a crush on her back when I was like eight or nine years old and I saw her on TV doing one of her songs.............was it "Four Page Letter?" Or maybe "Back & Forth", "Age Ain't Nothin but a Number"? I can't remember. Anyway..............yeah, she was sexy.

Faithless

11-11-2004, 10:36 AM

Look at this hiphop timeline (http://www.b-boys.com/hiphoptimeline.html)

My awareness of it definitely hit stride in the early 80's.

It's through that timeline when I recalled the earliest version of the worst rapper ever --

The Egyptian Lover. :frown:

Newcleus was probably a close second with it's rappers that sounded like the Chipmunks.

Hiroshi2

11-11-2004, 12:17 PM

That site is interesting, but it's too bad it only goes to 2001.

The rap game changes all the time. Even in 3 years, shit done changed. 2000-2001 was around the time that the dirty south/crunk music thing first got started, and that's what we in the middle of right now, so you can't really discount that. It's just as important as any other "movement" in rap because it brought a whole new sound and perspective as opposed to just hearing a bunch of dudes from New York and California on the radio all the time.

Sorry I can't comment too much on anything before the early 90s. I'm only 17.

A lot of early rap was some of the first music I remember hearing. I actually remember quite a bit from my childhood, apparently more than most people, so yeah I can remember songs that I haven't heard since like '92 and '93. But of course rap music was already huge by that time. Anything that came out in the 80s, I'm probably only just now really getting into, like probably my favorite 80s rapper would be Rakim, he was that real shit to me. His style reminds me of Biggie (or I guess the other way around I should say).

And I don't care for the list anyway, it seems to be written from a very NY perspective when rap is a very regional thing right now - it didn't even mention Geto Boys' We Can't Be Stopped or OutKast's Southernplayasticadillacmusic from '93.....................that was big and opened the door for the southern/midwestern movement right now.

I see they mentioned Common's Resurrection but still. It still kinda irks me how the NY media ignores and doesn't respect southern rap, but that's cool......................

I saw the Dirty States of America DVD special on MTV2 a couple of months ago and it talked about certain artists (from NY) could get played in Atlanta, but Atlanta artists couldn't get played in NY. That's the type of thing that NYers did way back in the early 90s when California was coming up, they didn't like seeing folks from other places doing what they thought of as "their music", even if it was better than their shit and brought something new and original to the game.

Irezumi Kiss

11-11-2004, 01:50 PM

Afrika Bambaataa reorganized "The Organization" and renamed it to the "Zulu Nation". Bam, a previous gang leader (Black Spades) and social activist, created a collective of DJs, breakers and graffiti artists to bring social conscienceness to hip hop. Five b-boys joined him who he called the Shaka Zulu Kings, there were also the Shaka Zulu Queens which along side the"Nigger Twins", were the very first B-Boying crews ever.
Wow...(insert sarcasm accent here) amazing how we've EVOLVED since the 70s, ey?

:tongue:

Newcleus was hip-hop, but it was part of the electro/electrofunk side of the family...that I did grow up with and sorry, Chotts...but I miss that shit like crazy! It was original...

TB4000

11-11-2004, 02:45 PM

About the whole dirty south hip hop thing, it's gotten that rep for being too commercialized, man, point blank. Everybody got the same sound, everybody's got the same lyrical style...they need something to differentiate. That may be part of the reason why it's not getting the acclaim.

Hiroshi2

11-11-2004, 05:20 PM

^ Nah, that's just what you hear up north. You probably have to actually be in the south to hear the best southern rap (i.e. underground, unsigned artists obviously don't get exposure outside the region).

There's more to southern rap than Lil Jon and Cash Money, a lot more, trust me.

The thing about the south is that you have certain artists that are just as big as anybody on the radio, but they haven't had a single song played on the radio, Look at fuckin Mike Jones.................the whole Houston screw music thing is anything but commercial, UGK are some of the biggest stars out of there, and they call themselves the Underground Kings, not the fuckin Top 40 Kings or Pop Music Kings or 106 & Park Kings. Now a lot of the music out of Atlanta has gotten real commercial, but the thing is that every city has its own scene and its own artists, and IMO Houston's the hottest city right now, and like I said, the artists down there are anything but commerical and brag about selling 200,000 records by "word of mouth". That's a hell of an accomplishement IMO and shows how close to the streets and your core audience a given artist is. It proves he hasn't "sold out" or gone too pop.