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Craig
12-12-2002, 03:49 AM
http://www.abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap200...021212_336.html (http://www.abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20021212_336.html)

Chinese Debate Expulsion of Student Pair
Expulsion of Chinese Student Couple Sparks Debate Over Sexual Morals

The Associated Press

SHANGHAI, China Dec. 12— The expulsions of a pregnant student and her boyfriend from a Chinese university have touched off a rare public debate about sexual morality in this fast-changing society.

The pair was expelled in October after a school doctor found the 19-year-old woman was pregnant, according to numerous reports in state media.

The reports did not release the names of the couple or their school in Chongqing, central China's largest city and home to many colleges and universities.

The doctor reported the pregnancy to school officials, who forced the woman, a student of law and economics, to write a confession naming her 21-year-old lover, where and when they met and how many times they had sex.

Some reports said her parents are considering suing the university for damages, saying it violated her privacy.

Hundreds of postings have filled popular Web sites, mostly expressing outrage at the expulsions and the conservative attitudes behind them, although a few sided with the university.

Such Web sites are monitored by censors who enforce government content guidelines and remove comments considered too critical. But they can allow more freewheeling discussions, particularly on subjects deemed less politically sensitive.

"China is not America. We can't allow sexual freedom," said an unnamed user on Sina.com. "Too often, we end up treating America's bad things as valuable, as fashions, as things to emulate."

But most online comments defended the couple.

"Love is the right of every citizen, and schools are too conservative. They're not able to prepare students for modern society," said another user who did not give a name.

Another posting, signed sunny spider, said, "We are all adults after age 18, and this has nothing to do with the school. Schools only care about their own reputation and order students around."

The incident highlights the tension between expanding personal freedoms as China eases controls on the economy and society, and the still-intrusive official regulation of morality.

Dating, holding hands and kissing in public activities once unthinkable are now commonplace in Chinese cities and on college campuses, and there is growing acceptance of premarital sex.

At the same time, Beijing bans sexually explicit novels and excises bedroom scenes from foreign movies, though unauthorized copies of American films that include full-frontal nudity and sex are sold openly.

Unmarried couples have been fined for living together, and the government retains a one-child birth control policy. In part to lower the birth rate, the minimum age for marriage is set relatively high at 20 for women and 22 for men.

The incident has received prominent coverage in China's increasingly feisty popular press. The Shanghai Youth Daily newspaper devoted a full page to the incident Tuesday, citing academics who were unanimous in criticizing the expulsions.

"If this sort of problem happens again in the future, female university students will be afraid of punishment and secretly seek abortions at illegal clinics," Xu Anqi, a women's studies researcher at the Shanghai Academy of Social Sciences, was quoted as saying. "This may do great harm to their health."

SunWuKong
12-12-2002, 08:24 AM
bah! same bullshit everywhere. denounce sexual freedom in the open, but look the other way at prostitution and pornography.

wylin
12-12-2002, 08:26 AM
its all bout money she has sex for free, she shoulda charged him and it'd be all good!

ChinaLama
12-12-2002, 08:46 AM
bring back Mao! bring back Mao! Keep the East Red.

Anyway, nothing wrong w/ expelling students for having sex and esp getting a woman pregnant. If you wanna attend a Chinese school, you follow their rules. If you don't, get yourself on a boat and go to a place where you CAN have sex in college.

kitty
12-12-2002, 10:00 AM
not everyone can afford to immigrate... and why should they if they love living in china 'cept for this one thing...?

it does seem a bit like it's not the school's business, but the same kinds of thing happen in the u.s. as well.

ChinaLama
12-12-2002, 10:22 AM
everyone can afford to immigrate... and why should they if they love living in china 'cept for this one thing...?

Yes, but if they HAVE to live in China and they HAVE to go to Chinese Unis, then they should follow the rules. I can't afford to immigrate to Saudi Arabia, does that mean I should be allowed to kill my wife for adultery because I love America except for this one tiny law?

SunWuKong
12-12-2002, 10:25 AM
nah CL, those school officials are just being jackasses. i don't think there's any written rules about pre-marital sex in the school regulations.

ChinaLama
12-12-2002, 10:29 AM
nah CL, those school officials are just being jackasses. i don't think there's any written rules about pre-marital sex in the school regulations.


there aren't a lot of written, at least fast clear, rules in China, huh. :(

"but i thought i scored high enough to get into Qinghua!"

"you didn't pay the entrance fee."

"you didn't say anything about an entrance fee..."

"COUNTER REVOLUTIONARY! FAN GEMIN! We're gonna have to xi ni de nao and make you a good soldier of socialism!"

deez nuts
12-12-2002, 10:32 AM
Least they went out with a bang.

kitty
12-12-2002, 10:33 AM
:D why is that so funny?

i mean, CL, you're right... who are we to tell chinese how to run their own schools and government?

SunWuKong
12-12-2002, 10:37 AM
i mean, CL, you're right... who are we to tell chinese how to run their own schools and government?


perhaps chinese people in china may feel differently, but i consider myself overseas chinese and i feel like i have a place to complain about it. and if you ask university students in china about this issue, they'd tell you too that those officials are being dickwads.

MellowDrama
12-13-2002, 11:02 AM
[sarcastic bastard]

Cuz we all know there was neeeever any premarital sex in China before. :rolleyes:

[/sarcastic bastard]

Chances are that the dudes enforcing the rules fucked around when he was those kids' age. What hypocrisy! :angry: