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Craig
12-11-2002, 09:22 AM
http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&...cat=8&id=242239 (http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=8&id=242239)

War is evil, 1st strike dangerous, Carter tells Nobel ceremony

Wednesday, December 11, 2002 at 09:30 JST

OSLO — Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter, winner of the 2002 Nobel Peace Prize, said Tuesday that war is always evil no matter how necessary it is and indicated his criticism of current U.S. foreign policy for leaning toward the use of force.

Carter made the remarks in his acceptance speech at the awards ceremony in the Norwegian capital where he was honored with a medal and 10 million Swedish kronor (about 130 million yen) for his efforts to find peaceful resolutions to international conflicts, such as those in the Middle East.

"We will not learn how to live together in peace by killing each others' children," Carter said.

"For powerful countries to adopt a principle of preventive war may well set an example that can have catastrophic consequences," warned Carter, the 38th president of the U.S. from 1977 to 1981.

"From a great distance, we launch bombs or missiles with almost total impunity, and never want to know the number or identity of the victims," he said.

Meanwhile, the Norwegian Nobel Committee apologized for a mistake it made 24 years ago when Carter's name was left off the awardees list due to red tape.

In 1978 the committee originally agreed to award Carter, Egyptian President Muhammad Anwar al-Sadat and Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin for their contributions to the so-called Camp David Accords on peace between Egypt and Israel in September that year after negotiations at the U.S. presidential retreat.

It then withdrew the decision because Carter was not among the candidates list submitted by the deadline of Feb 1 that year.

Carter is the third Nobel Peace Prize recipient among U.S. presidents, following Theodore Roosevelt in 1906 and Woodrow Wilson in 1920

ism
12-11-2002, 09:29 AM
Carter should run for President. =)

ChinaLama
12-11-2002, 11:17 AM
Carter's a preacher, so he's gonna be more idealistic than most. I'm not sure if a "war is always evil. we should always avoid it." is a realistic policy, though.

pfc beansprout
12-11-2002, 02:04 PM
GO JIMMY!!!! :lol:

BeTheReds
12-11-2002, 04:59 PM
Carter, the prez when i was born.

Lost to all the Reagan loving yuppies.

Can you imagine if the 80s were the Carter Mondale era insead of the Reagan era?

How would the rediculous materialistic anti-fashion might not have happened.

ism
12-12-2002, 11:20 AM
Was joking about a Carter run... even though, would be interesting to see a Nobel Peace Prize winner run during the midst of wars.

Can you imagine if the 80s were the Carter Mondale era insead of the Reagan era?
How would the rediculous materialistic anti-fashion might not have happened.

That's giving way more credit to the presidency than it deserves. It was an indication of the times, not a determinant of it.

pfc beansprout
12-12-2002, 11:35 AM
wars??? we're not at war..even though the media seems to think we are going....actions against iraq like jimmy carter said during his speech, would alienate the u.s. further from the rest of the world and make terrorism WORSE than it is today...our foreign policy sucks.... :pissed: we don't need to kill more innoncents overseas...give peace a fuckin chance...

BeTheReds
12-12-2002, 04:38 PM
Can you imagine if the 80s were the Carter Mondale era insead of the Reagan era?
How would the rediculous materialistic anti-fashion might not have happened.  


That's giving way more credit to the presidency than it deserves. It was an indication of the times, not a determinant of it.

No, I think Reaganomics of helping the rich be richer and creating a vastly powerful upper middle class of yuppies and spoiled children gave rise to the popularity of some of the messages in 80's pop, which in turn had implications on fashion like zebra spandex pants, pink mini skirts and leg warmers.

ism
12-12-2002, 08:44 PM
Are you serious? A lot of the fashion was driven by the fitness craze and Jennifer Beals at the beginning of the decade. The decline of the fashion coincided with the decline in people who exercised in the 1990's. While I can see fitness being a yuppie thing in the sense that they are superficial, the yuppie boom didn't come full swing until the fitness craze was well underway.

BeTheReds
12-12-2002, 09:26 PM
But during the 80s though... didn't you actually think it was cool.

Looking back now I can't imagine wearing a lot of that stuff. It was horible.

fat guys in jogging suits.. ugly gold digital watches..

tight t-shirts.. showing your chest hair

bald is beautiful

hot pink

crimped hair

$200 dollar shoes on kids whos parents can't afford lunch money

and JAMS god.. what was I thinking back then?

ChinaLama
12-13-2002, 02:00 AM
Thank God I was a kid and not an adolescent / young adult in the 80s. :)