Asians getting better at soccer/football [Archive]

Gobbledycnk

12-20-2007, 02:34 AM

Does anyone like soccer in here?

Theres more and more azn players in Europe. Korean and japanese ones led the way but we can now see a few chinese players turning up in clubs like Charlton or even Manchester United.

Alot of specialists agree that Park Ji Sung is one of the most useful player in the mancunian squad. He was injuried for several months but hes gonna be back on track for Xmas.

He nearly won the champions League in 2005 with PSV Eindhoven, a dutch club and still has a big reputation in Johan Cruijff's country. He was champ with M.United last year. It meant a lot. Here's a video of him on youtube.

uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kKHaSdygeHQ

Im sure uve heard of him last year during last WC in Germany. You need to know that those players are like the face of Asia in Euro countries since there isn't many azns on TV over here.

CBC guy

12-20-2007, 04:16 AM

Hmmm...

Yes I know Park Ji Sung, he's one of the most recognizable Asian players. Ahn Jung Hwan, who became a National hero almost on par with Yi Sun Shin overnight when he scored vs Italy in 02. Lee Woon Jae seems like a pretty good goalie, but I think he got busted for something and is now suspended? There's the other Korean guy on Tottenham Hotspur (name?).

For Japan,Yanagisawa Atsushi and Nakata Hidetoshi led the way (Nakata now refuses to conduct interviews in his native Japanese, odd enough. Apparently loathed the Japanese media but didn't mind foreign media, haha) and I think Nakamura Shunsuke might surpass him in the future as "best-known Japanese player of all time" kinda thing. Nakamura is already a fan favourite at Celtic Park and has a good array of free kicks. I started cheering for Celtic (Over Rangers) because they had an AZN brotha on the squad! Hahaha

Hmm... China? Well, Sun Jihai played for Man City for a time. Shao Jiayi was actually a starting striker for the hapless Munich 1860, Zheng Zhi plays somewhere (don't remember where) and Dong Fangzhuo (I think) is on the reserve squad for Man U? He played in the game against Roma last week, replacing Rooney haha, and from what I heard didn't look TOO out of place LOL. Team PR China is considerably weaker than Korea or Japan, and will take longer to get to their level. however, China DID produce Yao Ming and Yi Jianlian for the NBA, who's to say they can't produce some good soccer talent from 1.3 billion people? All I can do though, is hope. (As I can;t play soccer worth a damn myself haha)

Gobbledycnk

12-20-2007, 05:14 AM

There's the other Korean guy on Tottenham Hotspur

Thats Lee Young Pyo!!!

but I think he got busted for something and is now suspended?

Yeah he was busted for seeing prostitutes in Indonesia during the Asian cup lolz. What a douche, he let us down big time.

I think Nakamura Shunsuke might surpass him in the future as "best-known Japanese player of all time" kinda thing.

You're absolutely right, this fellas much more consistent than Nakata and his freekicks are just awesome.

We should give Asia some time but from what Ive seen recently, the level of new rookies bode well for Korea and Japan. China has an amazing potential im sure they'll catch up on the two northeast asian giants in no time.

thaite

12-20-2007, 12:03 PM

Does anyone like soccer in here?

Dude, soccer is the official sport of YellowWorld.org. :biggrin:

CBC guy

12-20-2007, 08:05 PM

Well China has produced some decent younger players recently, and from the matches I've seen (they broadcast them on CCTV-5 here in China, they are in WC qualifiers still) they at least try to play an uptempo attacking style, which is nice. What worries me is the D looks a little shaky at times, so the National Team as a whole may suffer from that. However, in terms of individual players, there are some decent guys out here who play in the domestic league, and perhaps one day one of them may rise to wear an European Club shirt on a daily basis. The potential is there, seeing as I see highlight-reel goals being scored right here in the local Tai'an City stadium (home of the fairly popular and very attack-oriented Shandong Luneng Club side, who are nicknamed "Team Holland" by Chinese commentators due to their orange uniforms.) they need to face stronger opposition in the form of Korea, Japan, more often rather than overruning minnows like Vietnam , Myanmmar or Malaysia. (they beat up those sides regularly anyway) yes I know China beat Myanmmar 7-0 in Guangzhou that tells me nothing as Myanmmar, no offence, is pretty damn weak at Soccer. Now I don't expect them to beat Brazil tommorow or anything, even Japan, arguably the most talented team in Asia, lost 4-1 to them, but if perhaps next time China can maybe hold, say, England to a 2-2 draw and perhaps beat Korea/Japan once or twice, then I could see them as having improved. There are good Chinese players, they just need to face stronger opposition on a more regular basis, then we will improve. China did win some kind of trophy a couple years ago, (2005?) that was a good sign I guess.

Korea and Japan are fast improving. It will be extremely difficult for an Asian side to ever WIN the World Cup, but if they keep this up Korea and Japan might become the new "Croatia" or maybe even "Portugal" of the soccer world in that they probably won't win but would likely scare a team or two.

Flow to Live

12-21-2007, 12:08 AM

Lee Nguyen is an Vietnamese- American player who plays in Holland.

Flow to Live

12-22-2007, 09:48 AM

Look at this wonderful save by Sun jihai:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud9ev2dp5xw

Asian_Casanova

12-22-2007, 12:41 PM

Not true; Asians aren't really respected; they're seen more like the shirt selling players than anything else; I don't know why I'm responding because I think soccer sucks.

thaite

12-22-2007, 05:09 PM

well, you can just move right along, then.

great save.

Zdrav

12-23-2007, 09:56 AM

Not true; Asians aren't really respected; they're seen more like the shirt selling players than anything else; I don't know why I'm responding because I think soccer sucks.

Cha Bum Keun is a legend of German soccer, and Hidetoshi Nakata was very well regarded in Italy during his Roma years. Park Ji Sung is a respected if unspectacular member of Manchester United, and Shunsuke Nakamara is easily the best player in the Scottish league (though that's not saying that much).

Asian_Casanova

12-23-2007, 10:18 AM

thaite, i was going to move right along

Zdrav, Cha who? Never heard of him; Nakata was an average player at best; Park is seen as too "lightweight" to be a good player - I don't think anybody takes him seriously apart from other Koreans/Asians; Nakamura - well, you've answered your own question though he is very good at free-kicks - i'll give you that.

Gobbledycnk

12-24-2007, 12:40 AM

Cha who?

You've never been in germany? Well you should coz the girls alone is a good reason to go there. Leverkusen is a neat place, consider it for ur next holiday ;-)

Nakata was an average player at best

Nakata did great in Italy, he even won the championship with AS roma under Cappello's command. But I think his season with Perugia was the most amazing one. Admettedly he was less good than expected in England but Bolton isnt exactly chelsea, its never easy to win something if u dont play for one of the big four.

Park is seen as too "lightweight" to be a good player

Park is an excellent squad player, if it wasnt for him, Ronaldo and Giggs would have been tuckered at the end of the season and Man U wouldnt have won the Premier League title. His apparences were decisive. Dont forget he was often injuried, give him some benefit, hes a great player and Ferguson often says hes underrated.

well, you've answered your own question though he is very good at free-kicks

Hes got good vision of the game as well.

Happy holiday to every1.

CBC guy

01-25-2008, 10:29 AM

Alright, I actually found out Zheng Zhi is in the regular starting 11 of Charlton in England and has already scored 9 goals in all competitions, pretty good for a "defensive" MF Haha. He's a fan favourite, I think the Valley faithful already made a song about him LOL. Great to see and a boost of confidence for the PRC Captain.

Chooky

01-25-2008, 02:06 PM

........and I think Nakamura Shunsuke might surpass him in the future as "best-known Japanese player of all time" kinda thing. Nakamura is already a fan favourite at Celtic Park and has a good array of free kicks. I started cheering for Celtic (Over Rangers) because they had an AZN brotha on the squad! Hahaha

In case you guys didn't know, Nakamura was named Scottish Player of the Year for last season.

This achievement is all the more impressive when you consider that the European game (especially in the U.K) is based on strength and stamina. Standing at 5'10" and 147lbs Nakamura is scrawny by European standards so for him to succeed in a tough, physical league shows great determination and considerable ability.

As you say, he's well known for his spectacular goals from free-kicks and for all round vision and flair.

proazn

01-28-2008, 01:36 AM

Don't forget the vietnamese players. There's Lee Nguyen who plays for PSV and USA national team.
There's also Toni Le Hoang who plays in Poland. and another vietnamese (i forget his name - Phong something) who was MVP in the Polish league.

and you all have to check out this vietnamese freestyler - Nam The Man Nguyen - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR4cglESi3s

Zdrav

01-28-2008, 08:18 AM

Above all, Asian players need good coaches. England's current status as a 2nd-tier soccer power can be attributed to lack of good schooling of young English players. So if even the most soccer-mad country in the world can't produce 11 good players without some decent coaching, what hope do generally apathetic (towards soccer) Asian countries have? And no, coming out every 4 years for the World Cup doesn't count as being soccer mad.

Gobbledycnk

01-28-2008, 09:38 AM

Don't forget the vietnamese players.

You're absolutely right. They could get more coverage if PSV did something major in european CL. Everything started to work out great when Park and Lee were in semi-finale. I really hope this young vietnamese player could get the same opportunity. He would prove then that theres also a lot of potential in South East Asia. Dont worry his time will come.

Above all, Asian players need good coaches.

I second that. Which is why i dont mind if a nice dutchman is imported. they know their shit.

England's current status as a 2nd-tier soccer power can be attributed to lack of good schooling of young English players. So if even the most soccer-mad country in the world can't produce 11 good players without some decent coaching, what hope do generally apathetic (towards soccer) Asian countries have? And no, coming out every 4 years for the World Cup doesn't count as being soccer mad.

Englands problem isn't at that level. They can produce good players. The academy of Liverpool is amazing, Arsenal, West Ham and Man U produced alot of amazing players, english or not.
The thing is they have shitty national coaches at top level. Mourinho, Wenger, ferguson or benitez were or still are the best coaches of Premiere League. I dont think a fella like redknapp would get entrusted by one of the big 4 anytime soon for example. English coaches are just not good enuff.
They have good players individuallywise, but they just seem unable to play together well, which is a shame mind u when ur team consorts of gerrard, lampard or even fucking Wayne rooney...

Chooky

02-01-2008, 11:28 PM

How about the ladies...........

http://www.soccertimes.com/usteams/roster/women/fair.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/women/7222387.stm

.................hot!!!

Chooky

03-25-2008, 06:27 AM

This one will throw you for a loop.

The first non-white man to play for the England national soccer team..................was half Chinese (Chinese father/English Mother) in the 1940's.....................

http://www.furd.org/default.asp?intPageID=31

CBC guy

03-25-2008, 04:49 PM

China plays Australia at home in a crucial match tommorow...

I'm not optimistic for China, every time I see them play (except that 7-0 against Myanmmar, but come on now Myanmmar is not exactly a soccer power) they fucking CHOKE it makes me sick sometimes.

Well, on another soccer note, there were some huge games on Sunday, Man U beat Liverpool 3-0 and Chelsea came back to beat Arsenal 2-1.

Arsenal looks like they are out of the title race now, just dropping points like mad.

C.Ronaldo.... don't like his attitude, but wow what an amazingly talented player.

Drogba came back in the clutch to score twice

But I think Man U will win the title again. What do you think?

Chooky

03-26-2008, 12:08 AM

^ Man. U all the way. They always seem more able to keep their nerve at critical times in the season. Plus, they're in form at the right time and are extremely confident.

CBC guy

03-26-2008, 08:41 AM

C.Ronaldo just can't stop scoring. he's not even a striker and he's leading the premiership in goals. That's really gotta count for something. He seems pretty cocky though, haha.

Since taking out AC Milan IN the San Siro (no easy feat) Arsenal has really stumbled back home, with the 4 ties in a row and now this loss against Chelsea. Chelsea haven't been int he best form either but did enough to win, and right now are really the only real challengers left for Man U it seems. However, with so few games remaining and 7 points (I think) to make up I think Man U's going to defend the title successfully.

On to the Champions League, here are a few of my predictions

Liverpool V Arsenal: I will go out on a limb here and say Liverpool "upsets" the gunners, mainly because Arsenal does NOT look in good form, and despite their last loss Liverpool HAS played well recently.

Chelsea V Fenerbache: The Turks have had an excellent Cinderella run. The fans in Istanbul will put on a good show. but, asking lightning to strike three times (1st by advancing to the 1st round, 2nd beating Sevilla) is a TAD too much. Chelsea should be able to win this round, first by weathering the storm in Istanbul and then crushing them in Stamford Bridge like they did to Olympiakos.

Man U V Roma: Wow, Roma has quietly had a good season in Serie A and looked good value for money in dismissing those pretty boys in Real Madrid (LOL). Roma still has the memory of last year's 7-1 trauma at Old Trafford and will need no coaxing from their coach to play their best. Man U, however, has kept their nerve in these situations many times before, and again should be able to advance. Won't be suprised if Roma shocks Man U though, Roma's played great lately. (Still have a soft D, which C. Ronaldo should exploit)

Barca V Schalke 04: Like Fenerbahce, Schalke is probably happy just to be there, and with or without Messi Barca should dismiss Schalke like they did Glasgow Celtic. Like Celtic, the German fans here should give their boys a good reception but ultimately Barca (even without messi) is way, way too powerful.

As for the final winner... too early to call, ANY of these teams can catch fire and win it.

Chooky

03-26-2008, 12:42 PM

C.Ronaldo just can't stop scoring. he's not even a striker and he's leading the premiership in goals. That's really gotta count for something. He seems pretty cocky though, haha.

He is cocky! But he's a pretty damn good player too, although he tends to over-complicate his moves sometimes, and I have to admit I occasionally enjoy watching him trip over himself when he does one too many feints!:biggrin:

IMO Barcelona are the team to beat in the CL. When they beat Celtic they were phenomenal. The only English teams that have the same quality of play are Man U or Arsenal. Chelsea may have an outside chance of beating them but Liverpool would likely get overwhelmed IMO.

Roma and Schalke I don't know much about. Like you say, Fenerbahce are probably just happy for the extra T.V money!

Jimmyboi

04-04-2008, 04:58 PM

Nakata is considered the first Asian soccer superstar. Unfortunately he taking the same pate as David Beckham, seems like he'r more into fashion than soccer.

Same story with Ahn, Park Ji Sung is good.

shinji ono

CBC guy

04-05-2008, 11:42 PM

Well,

Liverpool 1 Arsenal 1: Sorry Arsenal, it'll be hard to win at Anfield now, and with the away goals thingie Liverpool should squeak through (IMO, unless Arsenal turns it around FAST)

Roma 0 Man U 2: With a 2-0 AWAY goals lead, Man U will have absolutely no trouble dispatching Roma at Old Trafford

Fener 2 Chelsea 1: The upset of the round so far, but if Chelsea grab a quick goal at Stamford Bridge, they should be able to hold out... Fenerbahce has nothing to lose, though, and has had a phenomenal run so far.

Schalke 0 Barca 1: Well Barca should dispatch the Germans at the Nou Camp, no problem.

Man U and Barca should go through, with the other 2 rounds too early to call, but perhaps I can sense Chelsea and Arsenal going out of the CL.

Chooky

04-06-2008, 01:51 AM

Well,
Fener 2 Chelsea 1: The upset of the round so far, but if Chelsea grab a quick goal at Stamford Bridge, they should be able to hold out... Fenerbahce has nothing to lose, though, and has had a phenomenal run so far.

Who saw this coming? But I still can't see Chelsea losing at home in the 2nd leg.

CBC guy

04-29-2008, 12:13 AM

Now Barca-Man U: Second Leg coming up later tonight...
Its at Old Trafford, both teams coming off losses in their domestic league... do or die time. Barca is better on paper but I still think Man U has been in better form recently... Barca has dissapointed me this year so far. So I'll pick Man U to win in Old Trafford tonight.

Chelsea-Liverpool: Wow, that own goal might really come back to bite Liverpool. Chelsea always seems to throw up stinkers in Anfield, but this time they got a little lucky with that horrendous own goal by Riise. What the hell was he thinking? Liverpool need to score early in Stamford Bridge to take the momentum... remember, if its a tie in Chelsea, Chelsea wins by default. (away goals rule)... by default I guess Chelsea should find a way not to lose in Stamford Bridge LOL.

So... my prediction.... Chelsea V Man U in Moscow, with Man U coming out on top.

tommyhtown

04-29-2008, 08:03 AM

Chelsea-Liverpool: Wow, that own goal might really come back to bite Liverpool. Chelsea always seems to throw up stinkers in Anfield, but this time they got a little lucky with that horrendous own goal by Riise. What the hell was he thinking? Liverpool need to score early in Stamford Bridge to take the momentum... remember, if its a tie in Chelsea, Chelsea wins by default. (away goals rule)... by default I guess Chelsea should find a way not to lose in Stamford Bridge LOL.

So... my prediction.... Chelsea V Man U in Moscow, with Man U coming out on top.

If it's 0-0 tie it goes to Chelsea. A 1-1 tie result then penalty kick. A tie with more than one goal for each team, Liverpool takes it.

Gobbledycnk

05-02-2008, 05:49 AM

YEAH fucking yeah!!! MAN U reached the final!!!!!!

Park could be the first asian winning the CL.

The icing on the cake would be a St Petersbourh's victory over Rangers in UEFA cup. 2 koreans play there.

Zdrav

05-02-2008, 09:31 AM

Nakata is considered the first Asian soccer superstar.

What about Cha Bum Kun? He was one of the best strikers in the Bundesliga when the German league was the top league in the world. He's an oldie but a goldie.

Soccer is the most egalitarian of sports, in that there are players ranging from 5'5" (Aaron Lennon) to 6'7" (Peter Crouch) roaming the field, each capable of being dominant superstars. Thus, even if we accept the stereotype that Asians are smaller than average, there's no physical reason why Asians can't play soccer. It has more to do with national interest, level of coaching/development, and funding.

CBC guy

05-08-2008, 12:04 AM

Alright, its official, Man U-Chelsea in the Final.

Man U is in better form and IMO is better at just about every position. Expect the Red Devils to take it.

That said, Chelsea is no slouch either and will put up a fight. may the best team win.

CBC guy

05-11-2008, 09:56 PM

Man U 2 Wigan 0 FINAL
Chelsea 1 Bolton 1 FINAL

Man U wins the Premiership title twice in a row.

The Red Devils and the Blues will cross swords one last time this season in Moscow, and wil try to see who will suceed where Hitler failed... capture Moscow in a glorious fashion.

I'll be watching May 21st. (well, May 22nd in China, LOL)

P.S. C. Ronaldo is my player of the year for ALL of world soccer, if he doesn't win the trophy, UEFA hates the UK with a passion and is rigged LOL

Flow to Live

05-12-2008, 01:55 PM

Yep,im going with Man Utd for the CL. I think that Man Utd has too much quality at the moment to lose now. Ferguson definitely built a strong squad this season( something I wished Wenger could have done for my beloved Arsenal). I think Man Utd were very lucky to get past Baracelona this year(Scholes goal was amazing btw). If Ronadinhlo was playing, I think it'll be a very different game.

Ronaldo has done a lot for the team, and I do believe he is the best player atm. However, I like Messi more than him.

Flow to Live

05-12-2008, 01:55 PM

Gobbledycnk

05-13-2008, 03:47 AM

Good for Park Ji sung.

Hopefully Dong will make it too. Hes still young

noname

05-21-2008, 09:49 PM

Man Utd wins in a PK shootout, helped by Terry's slip and miss which have otherwise won it for Chelsea
Quite a game
Too bad Park wasn't picked to play in the final though

Gobbledycnk

05-22-2008, 05:16 AM

WELL DONE MAN U

PARK GOT A MEDAL HE WAS IN THE 25 M SQUAD

pAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARK

Zdrav

05-29-2008, 06:18 AM

Apparently, some people in Korea were outraged that Park wasn't part of the championship game. Some people there are so in the dark that they think that Park is one of the indispensable stars of the team. Between that sentiment and the opposite extreme of dismissing him as nothing more than an Asian cash cow, Park is squarely in the middle. He was good enough to be a starter in both legs against Roma and Barca, and he was an effective player in all those games. However, in a championship game, United just has so many good midfielders that some are bound to get left behind, especially with the likes of legendary veterans like Scholes and Giggs who are going to get playing time no matter what.