Crappy schools in California ?

[Craig]

What are schools in California that somebody should avoid ? Any schools that have a bad reputation that graduating from there would be detrimental to one's future career ? Don't mean to sound like a troll, but just interested.

[angel nympho]

I don't think ANY school is DETRIMENTAL to one's career. There are just some that have better reputations than others.

[snuffles]

i agree with angel nympho...

i also think that California has the best college system in the US (UCs, Cal States, JCs...). if only other states/groups of states could do something like that too, then mebee college would be more affordable...

as for the pre-college education system, hrmmmm... i'll have to scratch my head on that. as an east coast person who went to college in ca, i wonder if i just went to a really good high school or my ca friends all went to bad high schools by chance, or ca high schools are really that bad... :blink:

[angel nympho]

I heard that UC's have more credibility in California. Elsewhere, nobody really cares as much.

[lethal]

Berkeley and to a lesser extent, UCLA have good reputations all over the country. The other UCs are just regular schools. Doubt too many people on the east coast would know the difference between UCSD and UC-Riverside, for an extreme example.

[amietron]

Cal Poly San Luis Obispo has a good rep. :)
Can't say the same for Pomona, though.

[Commando_turned_MD]

Originally posted by lethalweapon@Dec 5 2002, 12:44 PM
Berkeley and to a lesser extent, UCLA have good reputations all over the country. The other UCs are just regular schools. Doubt too many people on the east coast would know the difference between UCSD and UC-Riverside, for an extreme example.
Agree.........UCLA and Berkeley ARE the only TWO top public school in Cali.......Newsweek seems to agree........ :D

[deez nuts]

UCSF med school is off the charts :D

[Commando_turned_MD]

You are correct.!!!!!!!!


UCSF Med school is great!!!!!!!! It ranked as one of the top Med school in the country...........

Let me revise my previous statement.........
UCLA and Berkeley are the only two top public Undergraduate school in Cali. :D

[beachgerl]

Ahem...it's not the colleges that are crappy in California...it's the K-12 public school systems. I heard they're really crappy compared to the rest of K-12 education in the rest of the US (save for those inner cities schools, they're an exception). I never forgot when I met several California natives or grew up in California most of their lives, they had poor writing and reading skills. I was shocked. I mean, how did they manage to make it throughout college? It's a miracle but I'm sure everybody cheats one way or another through college. I got my h.s. ed. in other state, not California, although I'm living here and attending California university.

So, it's K-12 ed. system that is crappy, not colleges...some California colleges are ones of the best in the whole nation. :blush:

[kasia]

but some of the other uc's are still top tier...according to us news. e.g., ucsd, ucd, and uci.

as for K-12: regardless of the state, there will always be students with poor grammar skills. unless it can be shown that there is a higher proportion of cali natives that have poor grammar, it can hardly be concluded through several encounters with cali natives with poor grammar that all cali natives have poor grammar. additionally, in response to beachgerl's comments, perhaps the reason why she encountered more cali natives with poor grammar was because she was attending college in...cali. there is a larger representation of cali natives in california than natives of any other state. :huh:

anyhow, one would be surprised how most people make it through college - not just cali natives. it's similarly surprising how so many lawyers with poor grammar can make it through law school and pass the bar - lawyers from all states.

inner city public schools in cali, as with other states, usually aren't too great. (exception: lowell - where you actually have to take a test to get in ---ADAON's alma mater). so to answer craig's question: if i were to live los angeles or san francisco, i'd either 1) hope that my kid gets into lowell (s.f.), 2) move to the burbs, or 3) spend a fortune on private school.

[odomo]

Originally posted by beachgerl@Feb 5 2003, 07:05 PM
Ahem...it's not the colleges that are crappy in California...it's the K-12 public school systems.
Personally, I don't know enough people from other states to say that their school systems are good or bad. I guess quality of the school depends on so many things like the demographics, location, etc, but do you think the people you have met are a good representation of the students and school districts from our state as a whole?

[bigwong235]

Originally posted by kasia@Feb 5 2003, 08:35 PM
if i were to live  los angeles or san francisco, i'd either 1) hope that my kid gets into lowell (s.f.), 2) move to the burbs, or 3) spend a fortune on private school.
private school ain't all it's cracked up to be... mine sucked ass.

edit: on the other hand, you get out of school what you put into it. i stopped caring partway through. got the grades, but didn't do anything for my mind.

[kasia]

btw. d.v.c. - diablo valley college, a junior college in cali, was rated #1 in playboy for having the best looking female college students. i took classes there while i was in high school. i wonder if i'm included :D J/K!!!!

[bigwong235]

Originally posted by kasia@Feb 5 2003, 08:45 PM
btw. d.v.c. - diablo valley college, a junior college, was rated #1 in playboy for having the best looking female college students. i took classes there while i was in high school. i wonder if i'm included :D J/K!!!!
:o :o :o


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[lethal]

Originally posted by kasia@Feb 5 2003, 11:35 PM
but some of the other uc's are still top tier...according to us news. e.g., ucsd, ucd, and uci.
Those schools are top tier. I know they're good since I used to live in California, but before moving to California, I knew very little about those schools nor did I know how good they were. This is after I went through the college application process, so I had some information to base it on.

What I was saying is that even though those schools are very fine, nationally their reputation is not as well known. Like I said, I doubt that most east coast people could tell the difference between UCSD (probably the best one after the big 2) and UC-Riverside (perhaps the worst one).

[DonDaBomb2]

There's probably a lot of people on the west coast (besides Cali) who couldn't tell you the difference. I didn't know which was better and I think that a lot of people around here haven't heard of them.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Not saying that the reputation or quality of the institution doesn't matter (it definitely does but to a certain extent), but I still believe the most important thing is the individual's willingness to learn and 'retain' (emphasis on this) the information acquired. I'd say for the most part, the school doesn't really mean shit because the vast majority of college students I've seen are just like slightly more mature high school students in that they actually will make more of an effort to get a good grade in their class(es) but not necessarily give a shit about learning or changing or improving their way of thinking (good schools should always teach you how to think instead of just feeding you data, i.e. teaching you how to fish instead of simply shoving mackerel into your face each day). For people who actually value school and realize what it CAN do for them, the difference and benefit that will be reaped outshines and blows away any difference between most colleges/universities.

If I read my Human Anatomy book cover to cover (one single 1,000 page book) and i memorized and learned how to apply everything within, I'd be fucking smarter and more informed than 99.5% of the country. You don't need a prof to guide you thru it, you just read, you memorize, and then you think. Motivation is what it is, prestigious schools if anything often mean profs who have had great acclaim but that doesn't necessarily mean they are good teachers or know how to pass it on well. In my history of education, I have always learned more at community colleges (institutions of fairly low prestige and fame compared to 4-year colleges) than at my four-year institutions.