Root of Japanese people

[kyopojin]

I found this English-subtitled video about the root of japanese people.

Delves into genetic research which has totally changed notions of who the Japanese are. Overturns Koreans' claim that the Japanese are descendants of Koreans.

Rather, the Japanese are a very diverse people made up of Ainu, Okinawan, Chinese, Korean, and various other genetic sequences.

The Modern Japanese were thought to be a mixture of ancient Jomon and Yayoi Peoples. Recent Genetic Research has proven that the Jomon and Yayoi People themselves were a mixed ethnicity even when they first reached the Japanese Islands.

Complete report .... http://oniazuma.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/idenshi/

[SunWuKong]

were they expecting that modern Koreans and modern Japanese are genetically the same? maybe i'm just not following their logic. i mean, are they going to show that the Japanese are not descended from African ancestors based on the little genetic similarities that modern day Japanese share with modern day sub-Saharan Africans?

[kyopojin]

Genetic connection between Ainu & 縄文 Jomon of Japan http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CguNE9vcd-8

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C5%8Dmon_period

[kyopojin]

were they expecting that modern Koreans and modern Japanese are genetically the same?



Nope ... Japanese are only related to Koreans by 24% on shared Tungusic origin ( proto-Siberian ).All facts point to modern day Korean race is mostly of Mongol & northern Han Chinese heritage.

Ancient Korea's Koryo Dynasty founder 王建 Wang Geon was of Han-Chinese-origin .

"Korean: there is one Chinese character for the surname Wang. Some sources indicate that there are fifteen Wang clans, but only two can be identified: the Kaesong 開城 Wang clan and the Chenam Wang clan. The Kaesong Wang clan, which originated in China, ruled the Korean peninsula for almost five hundred years as the ruling dynasty of the Koryo period (918–1392). There are some indications that the Kaesong Wang clan was present in the ancient Choson Kingdom (?194 bc). When the Chonju Yi clan seized power in 1392 and established the Choson kingdom, many of the members of the Kaesong Wang clan changed their names and went into hiding to avoid being persecuted by the new ruling dynasty. The Chenam Wang clan is also of Chinese origin. The Chenam Wang clan is much smaller than the Kaesong Wang clan."

As for the Wangs changing their last name,one theory was that they changed 王 to 全.

http://genealogy.familyeducation.com/surname-origin/wang


* Korean WANG CLAN

Korean Wang clan existed even before " LeLang Commandery " during China's Han Dynasty controlled northern part of Korea peninsula.One of the Ministers of Old Chosun (Wang Hyob:王俠) had Wang family name at the time of the destruction of Old Chosun (Han Shu and/or Post Han Shu). Wang In (王仁) of Baekje who transmitted Chinese characters 千字文 to Japan most probably came from this clan.

http://www.indopedia.org/Lelang_commandery.html

Massive Chinese immigrations,mainly from Yan ( China's Hebei province ) and Qi (Shandong peninsula ),continued without cessation,implanted Chinese cultures in the Korea peninsula.The Yan people came from Beijing via Liaodong ( today's China Liao-Ning province ) and the Qi people came across the Yellow Sea.Among them, the Wang clan,whose ancestor is said to have fled there from Qi in the 2nd century B.C., became powerful. It is presumed that most of Lelang Chinese spoke the Yan dialect.

No wonder,modern day Koreans have Chinese surnames like Yoon 尹 ( originated in 河北 = Hebei ) & Gong 孔 ( originated in 山東 = Shandong ) plus some others can trace ancestral roots to 河北 & 山東.:biggrin:

http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0043-8243(199202)23%3A3%3C306%3ACCACCT%3E2.0.CO%3B2-8

Japanese sources attribute to this scholar of Paekche in the Kojiki ( 古事記 ) & Nihon Shoki ( 日本書紀 ),the name of Wani (王仁) is linked to that of Achiki 阿直岐.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kojiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihon_Shoki

[kyopojin]

the Ainu are definitely Asians,and more precisely NE Mongoloids ( not Mongolians ! ).It is clear from biologic studies.

People from Okinawa and other Ryukyu islands are closer to Jomon people and to Ainu than Mainland Japanese. And they speak " Ryukyuan ", a sister language of Japanese.

[SunWuKong]

good lord...

[AngryABCGirl]

what's with this japan obsession here?

[Napoleon Chynamite]

and annoying ass bold print as if we're third graders

and anti-korean bias

[kyopojin]

Guess what ... 2005 S Korean epic TV drama " The Immortal Yi Shun Shin 李舜臣 " depicted massive atrocities & rapings commited by China's Ming Army in the Korea peninsula.

http://english.kbs.co.kr/spotlight/1330268_3178.html

Yes,it's based on real history record according to ' Annals of Chosun Dynasty.'

宣祖 91卷, 30年( 1597 丁酉 / (萬曆) 25年) 8月 7日 乙丑 6

漢城府啓曰: “當日到付中部主簿牒呈內, 本月初六日夕, 私奴世亨招內, 有一蒙白女人過去, 唐人扶執, 脅奸作計。 怒其牢拒不從, 拔劍剌腮及項, 又斬世亨十四歲童奴末叱山頭, 手持橫行云。 敢啓。” 頗遊擊管下軍李宗義及被傷女人德只等, 麻都督使頗遊擊取招, 則李宗義招辭以爲: “昨日失馬尋蹤之際, 兒童三人在路上牽去, 見我追去, 二兒走避, 一兒顚仆。 進捉詰問, 則只謂我强盜, 醉酒中拔劍殺之” 云。 德只以爲: “自市上從抄路轉過, 唐人一名逆來, 欲爲怯奸, 高聲走過, 則拔劍趕到, 刺傷右腮。 時有一兒從後來, 亦爲大呼强盜, 則返追兒童, 因爲擊殺” 云。 遊擊以女人之說爲實, 稟于都督, 斬首於鍾樓街上云。 上曰: “知道。”


宣祖 103卷, 31年( 1598 戊戌 / (萬曆) 26年) 8月 1日 甲寅

劉提督接伴使金睟馳啓曰: “衙門各將, 到全羅地方, 多發軍丁, 搜索遠近, 無髮者, 皆綁拿。 得病落髮者及僧髡, 亦皆被拿, 一日之間多至數百。 天兵因此出入村巷, 奪掠財産, 刦奸婦女, 至有强奸童女。 事覺, 提督梟其甚者。”

Source: http://sillok.history.go.kr/main/main.jsp

* Below 1 photo scene is reconstruction of Ming soldiers raping Korean women during Imjin War wiith Japan in the 2005 S Korean epic TV drama " The Immortal Yi Shun Shin 李舜臣 ".

Chinamen impregnated countless Korean women.

[eos]

^are you a robot?

[kyopojin]

Oh ... U mean " color red " whom flooded YW and Asian forums with dubious DNA mappings & inconclusive reports,it was a VERY DEDICATED online project for him indeed.

[kyopojin]

The consensus is that Jomon people (not a single homogeneous people, possibly different austronesian and/or austroasiatic people) arrived very early from South East Asia. Then arrived the Yayoi people from the Asia continent (but don't know their first homeland,while the others stayed and evolved into what would become Chinese, Japanese and other NE Asian people), and they mixed more or less with Jomon people. The isolated Ryukyuan people got less mixed than the mainland and remained closer to Jomon, and Aynu are descendants of one of the Jomon people who remained very little mixed. This is what is called the dual model of Japanese ethnogenesis, and is accepted by most of the scholars and scientists in and out Japan.

People from Okinawa and other Ryukyu islands are closer to Jomon people and to Aynu than Mainland Japanese. And they speak "Ryukyuan", a sister language of Japanese.

[SunWuKong]

Nope ... Japanese are only related to Koreans by 24% on shared Tungusic origin ( proto-Siberian ).All facts point to modern day Korean race is mostly of Mongol & northern Han Chinese heritage.

anyway. my question was rhetorical. of course modern Japanese and modern Koreans are not the same. that should not surprise anyone.

but that is irrelevant. if they are wondering if the Japanese were descended from Koreans, the question they need to be asking is if ancient Koreans and ancient Japanese were the same people.

[kyopojin]

Of course modern Japanese and modern Koreans are not the same,that should not surprise anyone.

The question they need to be asking is if ancient Koreans and ancient Japanese were the same people.



According to Japan's Encyclopedia of 1200 Surnames,Shinsen-Syoujiroku ( 古代氏族名鑑 ) compiled in AC815.It noted 漢系163氏 ( 163 Han-Chinese origins )、百済系104氏 ( 104 Baekje or Paekche origins ) 、高句麗系41氏 ( 41 Koguryo origins )、新羅系9氏 ( 9 Silla origins ),and the rest Japanese ( nearly 74% of Yamato origins ).

Source: 渡来系氏 ( Torai-Jin surnames )

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%96%B0%E6%92%B0%E5%A7%93%E6%B0%8F%E9%8C%B2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asuka_period#Torai-Jin

[kyopojin]

百済 ( Baekje or Paekche was founded by the most-Sinicized Tungusic 夫餘 ),高句麗 ( Koguryo ),&新羅 ( Silla ) were mainly Tungusic clans from today's China NE region ( Jilin & Liaoning provinces = southern old Manchuria ).

Fast forward,Mongol invasion & occupation of Korea peninsula in the 14th century ALTERED the genetic make-up of Korean population according S Korea's national archived 高麗史 ( Chosun Dynasty Annals ).So,majority of modern day Koreans are of Mongol heritage.It's accurate that Japanese & Koreans are genetically related on shared Tungusic origin.

Source: English/Chinese/Japanese languages are available

http://sillok.history.go.kr/main/main.jsp

[kyopojin]

Emishi (蝦夷, pre-7th century 毛人)

More recently, scholars believe that they were natives of northern Honshū who were descendants of those who produced the Jōmon culture.They are thought to have been related to the Ainu.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emishi


Emishi envoys to the T'ang court .......

The evidence that the Emishi were also related to the Ainu comes from historical documents. One of the best sources of information comes from both inside and outside Japan, from contemporary Tang Dynasty and Song Dynasty histories as these describe dealings with Japan, and from the Shoku Nihongi. For example, there is a record of the arrival of the Japanese foreign minister in AD 659 where conversation is recorded with the Tang Emperor. In this conversation we have perhaps the most accurate picture of the Emishi recorded for that time period. This episode is repeated in the Shoku Nihongi in the following manner.

Two Emishi, a man and woman, from contemporary Tohoku accompanied the minister Sakaibe no Muraji to Tang China. The emperor was delighted with the two Emishi because of their "strange" physical appearance. This was an emperor who was most likely the illustrious Emperor Tang Taizong who was familiar with many ethnic groups throughout his Empire, from Uyghurs and Turks to Middle Eastern traders. However, he probably did not have any contact with Europeans. The Japanese envoy for his part describes the contemporary relationship with the various Emishi: those who had allied themselves with the Yamato court (known as 和蝦夷 niki-emishi, i.e. 'gentle Emishi'), those who remained as enemies staunchly opposed to Yamato (known as 荒蝦夷 ara-emishi, i.e. 'rough Emishi' or 'wild Emishi'), and the distant Tsugaru Emishi (located in present-day northern Aomori and in southern Hokkaido). All Chinese documents refer to them as having a separate state north of Japan and call them 毛人 (Mandarin máo rén, Sino-Japanese mōjin), literally 'hairy people'. This is also corroborated in the Shoku Nihongi, in which they are described consistently as having long beards and as "hairy" people, characteristics that have been used to describe the Ainu into the modern period.

http://www.emishi-ezo.net/WhoEmishi.htm

[kyopojin]

It has been rumored that origin of " Azuma Samurai clan was Emishi " and some early Japanese samurai were of Ainu origin.

Aterui the Last Great " Fallen " Hero of Emishi 蝦夷の英雄 阿弖流爲

http://p-www.iwate-pu.ac.jp/~acro-ito/Japan_pics/Japan_MZS/Aterui.html


Shogun Sakanoue no Tamuramara,was a commander in chief of the expeditionary army sent to the north of Japan to suppress the rebellion of Ainu people headed by Aterui based in Isawa,( Now,Iwate Prefecture) where the Japanese built Isawa Castle and thousands of Japanese immigrants from the Kanto region settled down.

He,finally defeated the troops of Aterui decisively in 802 and captured Aterui and his right hand More.Thus,their resistance over 30 years ended.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Monument_to_Aterui_and_More2.jpg

http://www.city.oshu.iwate.jp/maibun/newpage4.htm


* The last stronghold of the indigenous Ainu on Honshū and the site of many battles.Region consists of six prefectures: Akita, Aomori, Fukushima, Iwate, Miyagi and Yamagata Prefectures.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C5%8Dhoku_region

[SunWuKong]

According to Japan's Encyclopedia of 1200 Surnames,Shinsen-Syoujiroku ( 古代氏族名鑑 ) compiled in AC815.It noted 漢系163氏 ( 163 Han-Chinese origins )、百済系104氏 ( 104 Baekje or Paekche origins ) 、高句麗系41氏 ( 41 Koguryo origins )、新羅系9氏 ( 9 Silla origins ),and the rest Japanese ( nearly 74% of Yamato origins ).

Source: 渡来系氏 ( Torai-Jin surnames )


actually a great part of the debate is whether or not the Yamato was Korean in origin.

[kyopojin]

whether or not the Yamato was Korean in origin.



Long before the formation of Sam-Han statelets & 3 Kingdoms in the Korea peninsula,Yamato identity existed for some centuries ( 漢書 Book of Later Han & 魏書 Book of Wei ).

According to the 魏書 Book of Wei,the most powerful kingdom on the archipelago in the 3rd century was called Yamataikoku and was ruled by the legendary Queen Himiko.The Japanese first appear in written history in this book, in which it is recorded, "The people of Wa are located across the ocean from Lelang, are divided into more than one hundred tribes, and come to offer tribute from time to time." It is later recorded that in 57, the southern Wa kingdom of Na sent an emissary to pay tribute to Emperor Guangwu and received a golden seal.

the Horserider Theory,first proposed by Egami and modified by Ledyard, is about the invasion from the continent through Korea of a horse-riding tribe who conquered Japan and founded the Yamato state around 4th century AD. Thus they conquered not the Jomon but the Yayoi people, and are not the ancestors of modern Japanese.But this theory has few supporters nowadays, as it has been heavily criticized from an archeological point of view.

[kyopojin]

Checked out Professor William Wayne Farris' "Sacred Texts and Buried Treasure". He has a very detailed, balanced, and respectable analysis of Korean-Japanese relations. I whole-heartedly recommend it.

Regarding similarities of Korean and Japanese art and architecture, many are made by immigrant Korean craftsmen !

Professor Walter Edwards (of Tenri University) is one of the top Western scholars on the evolution of the kofun. He also wrote a rebuttal to Gari Ledyard's article. "Galloping along with the Horseriders".He says that kofun found in South Korea resemble 5th century keyhole-shaped kofun. However, even in the Yayoi period, round burial mounds had annexed rectangular portions that are believed to have once held ceremonies for the dead. These evolved into the keyhole-shaped kofun that are so well known today in the late 3rd/early 4th century. Therefore, by the time of any supposed Horserider invasion, keyhole shaped kofun were already on their way in development. Edwards is no die-hard Japanese nationalist who posits a Japanese invasion of Korea (keep in mind he's an archaeologist--that's his evidence), but he believes that keyhole-shaped kofun were one example of a cultural aspect that moved from Japan to the peninsula. He makes no claim of a political rulership over Korea, but gives evidence of bilateral relations between Paekche and Japan (an anachronistic term, really) as making this claim possible.

Therefore, the more I read, the more I can't see kofun shape as supporting the Horserider Theory.

I've recommended it before and I will recommend it again: J. Edward Kidder, Jr.'s "Himiko and Japan's Elusive Chiefdom of Yamatai" provides a *fantastic* view of Jomon, Yayoi, and Kofun period Japan.

[kyopojin]

http://www.hanbooks.com/hanofkor.html

This book is an official publication,1 page map has 3 ancient migration arrows from China's Shandong Peninsula,Mongolia & China's NE region.

By Korean Overseas Culture and Information Service,size: 24.5x17cm 652pages.

It's available @ California public libraries,I borrowed my copy from my local branch.

[kyopojin]

Don't forget the view that northeast Asians (Ainu) mixed with South East Asians (Malayo-Polynesian speaking peoples) to form the Jomon People. The Jomon People then inhabited the Japanese archipelago until the great migrations of southern Chinese and Koreans mixed the melting pot a bit more to form the Yayoi People.

Just to let you guys know, J. Edward Kidder, Jr. has done a new translation of the Wei Zhi section on the Wa in his recent "Himiko and Japan's Elusive Chiefdom of Yamatai" (2007). It's *very* well done.

His case for Yamatai being located in the Kinai is also very convincing and well-argued.Korean nationalists claimed 邪馬臺 Yamatai located in 九州 Kyushu to support their flimsy theory of Korean origin.

[SunWuKong]

Long before the formation of Sam-Han statelets & 3 Kingdoms in the Korea peninsula,Yamato identity existed for some centuries ( 漢書 Book of Later Han & 魏書 Book of Wei ).

According to the 魏書 Book of Wei,the most powerful kingdom on the archipelago in the 3rd century was called Yamataikoku and was ruled by the legendary Queen Himiko.The Japanese first appear in written history in this book, in which it is recorded, "The people of Wa are located across the ocean from Lelang, are divided into more than one hundred tribes, and come to offer tribute from time to time." It is later recorded that in 57, the southern Wa kingdom of Na sent an emissary to pay tribute to Emperor Guangwu and received a golden seal.

yeah, Wa (倭) existed back then. but Yamato culture did not exist until later. what Book of Later Han (which is 後漢書 by the way, not 漢書, which is another book) was referring to was the Yayoi people. Queen Himiko was not a ruler amongst the Yamato people, she was a Yayoi ruler.

[kyopojin]

SunWuKong ..

I need to UPLOAD some images from Japanese source,can you provide space for my account.

[SunWuKong]

SunWuKong ..

I need to UPLOAD some images from Japanese source,can you provide space for my account.

just hot link them or attach them to your post.

[kyopojin]

More info about the origin of Japanese from Japanese sources:

Actually,Yayoi people were of CHINESE origin

Read " Killabee's " posting

http://www.allempires.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=22577

[kyopojin]

Would appreciate if you copy & paste Killabee's entire post here.

[kyopojin]

If the Japanese come from mainly Yayoi agricultors,they can not be nomadic tribes as Koreans' claim of horse-riding warrior origin came through or from Korea peninsula.

[kyopojin]

Duplicate post ....

[kyopojin]

Look ... you all

No Japanese I met in real world & in cyberspace denied genetic tie to both Chinese & Koreans,it's K people ( mainly Sinophobic online trolls ) always dispute Japanese race has Chinese heritage.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Without getting into the argument of whether or not all your cited facts are historically or genetically accurate, I am much more curious about the story behind your obsession.

[didu]

i thought only floras had roots. are japanese people some sort of tree? :biggrin:


sorry, bad joke.

[kyopojin]

whether or not all your cited facts are historically or genetically accurate, I am much more curious about the story behind your obsession.



Eh ... write these same words to Sinophobic K trolls :rolleyes:

My obsession with Japan is their culture not genetic tie.I've known & acquainted with Japanese in real life & online,not for a second I would consider anyone of them " Chinese " :wink:

[kyopojin]

It's also important to note that although many experts have rejected / refuted Egami's horserider theory, they do praise him for at least having the guts to seriously ponder the question of imperial origins and think outside the box.

[eos]

why'd you stop the bolding for the last 5 words? that looks kind of ridiculous.

here's a tip for your next posts: italics, underlining, bold AND a different color for every letter.

[kyopojin]

The general Koreans historical view about Japanese Yayoi people originated from ancient Korean race exactly match Japanese colonial justification of Korea peninsula.

1) 日鮮同祖論
2) 任那日本府說
3) 南朝鮮經營說

Those 3 main slogans propagated legitimacy for annexation of Korea peninsula by Japanese Imperialists.

[AngryABCGirl]

Have you considered getting psychological help for your obsession?

[kyopojin]

Where were u when " color red " trolled this forum late last year,asked same question ?

Oh ... everyone were weak-kneed to ban him for literally littered this place or other forums on how unrelated both Japanese & Koreans to Chinese people :P

[eos]

wtf are you are smoking? who is "color red"? who are "k people"?????? why won't you answer my questions?????

[kimpossible]

I think this is one of his more interesting threads.

[popculturepooka]

http://www.htloz.net/forums/grill/thread-delivers.jpg

[BeTheReds]

By genetics, yes, the Japanese are a people with several different origins. However the Yayoi people came to Japan from the Korean peninsula. That doesn't necesarily mean that the Yayoi themselves are Korean, because Korea did not exist yet. Korea and Japan went through different genetic stimuli. (Koreans with lots of mixing with the continent, and Japanese, lots of mixing with ainu and polynesian peoples and whatever).

As much as Japanese Nationalists and Japan lovers want to claim that Korea wasn't as influential upon Japan in the past, they are wrong.

Obviously Koreans like to overemphasize it, so I will admit that both sides at the extreme are retarded.

[kyopojin]

As much as Japanese Nationalists and Japan lovers want to claim that Korea wasn't as influential upon Japan in the past, they are wrong.

Obviously Koreans like to overemphasize it



Both Chinese & Japanese have always accepted Korean influences ( genetically & culturally ) on Japan.

No need to go back many hundred years,intermarriages between Japanese & both Korean and Chinese is near 50% of overall annual " out-marriages " in Japan is one good example.

[BeTheReds]

Both Chinese & Japanese have always accepted Korean influences ( genetically & culturally ) on Japan.

No need to go back many hundred years,intermarriages between Japanese & both Korean and Chinese is near 50% of overall annual " out-marriages " in Japan is one good example.

Oh sure. That's why Japan is so willing to have archaeologists study the tombs of the imperial family knowing full well that doing so would only confirm the exact amount of influence. No, they aren't protective of them fearing that such strong links would be discovered.

[/sarcasm]

[enigma740]

http://www.htloz.net/forums/grill/thread-delivers.jpg

This thread it's a complete trainwreck. Or UPS wreck.

[kyopojin]

According to Chinese history records, Huimo (yemak) was formed by two peoples ( Korean nationalists staunchly claimed these were their ancient ancestors so NO relationship to Chinese ).One being Hui(穢) and the other being Mo(貊). Hui (穢) people used to populated around China's Shangdong peninsula. Mo (貊) people used to populated around the northern edge of China's Hebei and Shangxi provinces. Some branches of Hui people and Mo people migrated to Manchuria. After their arrival to the southern Mancuria and North Korea, some clans of Hui and Mo merged and evloved into a new tribal alliance of Huimo(穢貊) at the eastern side of North Korea. (The huimo tribes in your map.) Some of Hui and Mo populated a large chuck of southern and southcentral Macnhuria. They did not merged into a single people initially and live independently in Southern Manchuria. Maybe I should change the wording of Huimo system into Hui-Mo system just to make a distinguishing from that single Huimo tribal alliace in the eastern North Korea.Later,they became the Puyo clans ( predecessor of Baekje or Paekche Kingdom in the Korea peninsula ).Oh ... Koreans have this fantasy that Japan's Yamato Royal House was founded by the Puyo people :confused: .

' Wa 倭 ' was existed in the southern part of Korea peninsula

<韓>在<帶方>之南, 東西以海爲限, *南與<倭>接, 方可四千里. 有三種, 一曰<馬韓>, 二曰<辰韓>, 三曰<弁韓>. <辰韓>者, 古之<辰國>也. <馬韓>在西.

Source: 《三國志》魏書 東夷傳 ( Record of 3 Kingdoms ) Book of Wei Dong-Yi/Eastern Barbarian Chronicles

If 'Wa' simply existed in Japanese islands,this description is not possible. *It says Samhan's southern territory borders Wa

[kyopojin]

秽貊 (Yemack)是中国东北的古老的民族，又称貉、貉貊或藏貊，古文献称之为“白民”，“毫人”或“发人” 。 穢貊 (Yemack)是中國東北的古老的民族，又稱貉、貉貊或藏貊，古文獻稱之為“白民”，“毫人”或“發人” 。 濊貊族是由濊人和貊人汇合而成，以农业城栅为特点，不同于游牧族。濊貊族是由濊人和貊人匯合而成，以農業城 柵為特點，不同於游牧族。

早期社会 <br /> 濊貊族在夏商时本居于山东半岛 ，属东夷民族，周灭商时，濊貊族被周所迫，大部分向东北迁徙，并以松嫩平原为中心定居下来，其活动竹范围比 较广阔，最南端在长城以北，与燕国为邻；东北部在辽河以东，与肃慎族相接。 早期社會 <br />濊貊族在夏商時本居於山東半島 ，屬東夷民族，週滅商時，濊貊族被周所迫，大部分向東北遷徙，並以鬆嫩平原為中心定居下來，其活動竹範圍比 較廣闊，最南端在長城以北，與燕國為鄰；東北部在遼河以東，與肅慎族相接。 濊貊族早在西周时代，就是周王朝的臣属国。濊貊族早在西周時代，就是周王朝的臣屬國。 春秋时期，齐桓公曾经发动过对濊貊的战争。春秋時期，齊桓公曾經發動過對濊貊的戰爭。 战国时期，濊貊族从事农业和渔猎业，黍成为濊貊人的主要食粮。戰國時期，濊貊族從事農業和漁獵業，黍成為濊 貊人的主要食糧。 此时的濊貊族进入原始社会晚期，过著定居生活。此時的濊貊族進入原始社會晚期，過著定居生活。 后来在东北地区建立政权的夫余和高句丽，就是在融合濊貊等东北民族的基础上形成，发展起来的。後來在東北地 區建立政權的夫餘和高句麗，就是在融合濊貊等東北民族的基礎上形成，發展起來的。

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[Napoleon Chynamite]

^ Thanks, I needed the Chinese translation for verification. If it weren't for your horrible broken grammar that is almost too perfect to fake, I'd think you were some white asiaphile obsessed with Japan because from your experiences Japanese women give you the time of day and Korean women don't. It actually makes no difference if you're Chinese, a Chinese Japanophile is just as bad as far as I'm concerned. You still have yet to explain your personal obsession with Korea-bashing; the existence of equally retarded posts by online Korean nationalists doesn't justify it.

Edit: Furthermore, if you feel like you have this calling to refute Korean nationalist claims...shouldn't you be pushing all this towards...Korean nationalists, somewhere else, far far away, and not here, to us?

[KenTsui]

the root of japanese people is the daikon. fyi

[kyopojin]

^ Thanks



A social reject like urself can jack=off @ any Korea forums :wink: :rolleyes:

[kyopojin]

duplicate ....

[kyopojin]

duplicate posting ... technical glitch

[kyopojin]

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[kyopojin]

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[kyopojin]

If it weren't for your horrible broken grammar that is almost too perfect to fake



Obviously,you have a VERY LOW " IQ "

* You have been banned for the following reason:

* For copy and pasting without a source ( for not responding to 3 PM's on different dates from JREF moderators ).

FYI ... nearly all were " cut & paste " posts written by Korean-bashing CHI-NEE people @ CHF & Japanese sources :rolleyes:

Indeed,Chi-nee are STUPID filthy third world people ( source: book title > Ugly Koreans ).

Chynamite :eek: :rolleyes: spineless online armchair kung-fu fighter filthy Chinaman

[kyopojin]

Date the ban will be lifted: Dec 17, 2007, 02:00

[kyopojin]

Stupidity of Chinamen

China's Opium dens were operated by Chinamen,tell the truth.

[kyopojin]

Stupidity of Chinamen

China's Opium dens were operated by Chinamen,tell the truth.:eek:

現代中国人"民族性"不好

[eos]

seriously, i think you need to find your dealer and fuck him up cuz he sold you some contaminated crack or whatever your drug of choice is.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

mm...okay. I actually think Kyopojin might be borderline schizophrenic in addition to being a incredibly racist and disturbed japanophile/asiaphile. What's sad is that I'm not just saying this to flame him. Mental illness is a serious thing and is severely under-addressed in our society.

[kyopojin]

You still have yet to explain your personal obsession with Korea-bashing



No .... u explain as to WHY it bothers u so much other than it's Korean-bashing.

U and some others crashed this thread :eek:

[AngryABCGirl]

No .... u explain as to WHY it bothers u so much other than it's Korean-bashing.

U and some others crashed this thread :eek:

http://www.stuffonmycat.com/media/2/20071211-TOM_FERRET.jpg

[kimpossible]

the root of japanese people is the daikon. fyi

yes! I was going to make a corny joke about square root but this is better.

[BeTheReds]

Stupidity of Chinamen

China's Opium dens were operated by Chinamen,tell the truth.:eek:

現代中国人"民族性"不好

That's just irresponsible.

Kyopojin, if you love Japan, that's really fine, it is.. but you need to break away from hating other Asian countries as a result of your love for Japan.

I used to hate Japan, and saw it as my duty to do so because of my Korean heritage. This all ended once I started to study Japanese, meet Japanese people, and live in Japan. While I can't say I am thrilled by certain policies by the Japanese government, I can say that my hatred for Japan has abated. Furthermore being Korean, doesn't mean that any hatred for Japan needs to go any further than sports rivalry.

Get over it. Love Japan for what it is if that's what you want to do. Don't hate on other countries because you think it will make Japanese accept you more.

[kyopojin]

Get over it.



Exactly .. an advise to Chi-nee people and free themselves from indoctrinated self-defeating victimhood complex.:rolleyes:

[eos]

why don't you learn proper english and spelling first before you tell us what to do, asstard.

[popculturepooka]

http://phosted.com/0712/pikachu-wtf.jpg

[BeTheReds]

Exactly .. an advise to Chi-nee people and free themselves from indoctrinated self-defeating victimhood complex.:rolleyes:

You can't take one piece of what I said and apply that to anything. Take the whole argument.

I said you should not hate other Asian countries as a result of your love for Japan. The two don't have to be congruent. Furthermore the view is ultimately insulting to the Japanese people, who for the most part are don't hate other Asian countries or are simply indifferent to them. Views like yours act only to make people more angry at Japan, even if you yourself aren't Japanese, it channels more hatred upon them. So if you really love Japan, you should stop.

You can't tell Chinese and Koreans to simply get over it, because Japan hasn't taken adequate steps for them to do so. It's really simple.

[sageb1]

the root of japanese people is the daikon. fyi

and the root that brings the zest out of japanese is wasabi.

[sageb1]

Stupidity of Chinamen

China's Opium dens were operated by Chinamen,tell the truth.

hence in the 1920s in canada, some lady judge named emily mcpherson wrote some racist book called the Black Candle which stated that Chinese men corrupt naive white women in opium dens, that black men go psychotic on hemp, and other racist reasons to make illegal heroin and marijuana.

today, marijuana is medicine, and it turns out now the reason for its demonization is so Big Pharma can keep pushing its patented medicine.

so the actual stupidity could originate with the gweilo.

[sageb1]

mm...okay. I actually think Kyopojin might be borderline schizophrenic in addition to being a incredibly racist and disturbed japanophile/asiaphile. What's sad is that I'm not just saying this to flame him. Mental illness is a serious thing and is severely under-addressed in our society.

obsession about the fact that 25 percent of Japanese roots is within the Japanese archipelego is one thing: it's verging on hikikomori.

to actively insult koreans and chinese people in particular, one must himself be in need of a minimum of 6 cups of the best Chinese green tea at a good vegetarian restaurant with whatever favorite meal one likes ASAP.

oh, and the OP definitely needs to be banned for a week to help him get out of the house more often.

[CBC guy]

Is he on permaban? (IP ban) I really don't want to see him (kyopojin) ever again.

[kimpossible]

Is he on permaban? (IP ban) I really don't want to see him (kyopojin) ever again.

Tell us how you really feel. Stop holding back.

[SunWuKong]

Is he on permaban? (IP ban) I really don't want to see him (kyopojin) ever again.

yes, he's on permaban.

[bluemonq]

and the root that brings the zest out of japanese is wasabi.
only for the bourgeoisie. for for the commoners, it is horseradish.

[sageb1]

kyoppan was a Chinese dude who claimed modern Koreans are descended from Mongol & Chinese ancestors, but that modern Japanese are mostly homegrown, owing their ancestry mainly to Ryukuran sources, thus making Japanese ancestry 25 percent Ryukuran, 24 percent South Chinese, 23 percent Korean and 28 percent Ainu and Tungusic.

[CBC guy]

Tell us how you really feel. Stop holding back.

Since you insist...

I say, its nice to see the fucker choke on his own shit here hahaha:wink: :cool:

I'm actually very glad actually. :cool: :smile:

Permaban! Yes yes yes yes yes
Yes I am gloating so what

[AngryABCGirl]

only for the bourgeoisie. for for the commoners, it is horseradish.

togos has horseradish wasabi, it's fucking amazing. i'm glad this fucker is gone too, abuse of font colors and the bold function

[CBC guy]

wasabi! Haha I miss sushi. :frown:

[bluemonq]

wasabi! Haha I miss sushi. :frown:
Is Ebisuya no good? Aki? Yoshi's? Miko? Octopus Garden?

[CBC guy]

No they're all good, just that I';m not in Vancouver right now (or Japan, duh). I'm actually teaching English in China right now. (notice the odd times I post? That's because of the time difference)

[eos]

^hey, i actually have a chance to do that too. do you have to know what you're doing? like actually know how to teach?

[bluemonq]

No they're all good, just that I';m not in Vancouver right now (or Japan, duh). I'm actually teaching English in China right now. (notice the odd times I post? That's because of the time difference)
I'm a college student. The phrase "odd times" would indicate posting during daylight hours.

[CBC guy]

^hey, i actually have a chance to do that too. do you have to know what you're doing? like actually know how to teach?

Haha it helps if you have a certificate. (Which I do) I'm doing this mostly for the experience. You want to teach English I presume?

It is actually kinda fun and not stressful at all. Teachers here have a lot of power and can do almost anything, esp. if you are a crazy foreigner the school will usually leave you to your own devices. However, not all schools will be the same, also be prepared for abrupt schedule-related announcements. ("Tommorow we will invite all honourable foreigners to dine with the head of COmmunist Party in our city!" "Uh, I already have plans." "you are ALL INVITED....." "Ahhh.... I see... I'll go to the "banquet" then....") and still the more qualifications, the better. Some schools will be more strict about standards, while others (the no-name ones) will if anything be way too lax and not really care what you do. BE SURE TO READ REVIEWS OF SCHOOLS BE FOREIGNERS FIRST and NOT ON THE SCHOOL'S WEBSITE!!!! Anyhow I can recomend my school here, Taishan Medical University, it really is not bad here at all.