SUV's suck

[loserbutt]

they burn too much gas, release too much CO2, and cause more automobile fatalities

and my father wants to get one :ph34r:

[kimpossible]

you meant for this to go in rant room, right? cuz i've already seen the _________ sucks and so do *people who x* show.

[loserbutt]

oops. yea meant to goto rant room

[thaite]

:: groan ::

You might wanna try not starting the posting off with an obvious troll.

[kimpossible]

no big. i'll move it for ya. *flex*

enjoy, kids

[SunWuKong]

so is this an environmental thing or car thing?
maybe it belongs in the auto forum?

[Arex]

I don't think SUV owners necessarily SUCK, but I think there are definitely a lot of negative externalities stemming from widespread SUV use and not a whole lot of actual benefits...

Alex

[Craig]

How widespread is the use of SUVs ? Is it pretty equitable across some of the states or more of an issue in certain states where lots of people have ego issues (Texas, etc.) ?

[eos]

I think that the only people who absolutely NEED to drive stupid SUVs are people who live on the frickin' mountain...and I don't know about you guys but I don't see any kind of mountain or even a tiny hill in Illinois. IS this a status symbol? Yes for those who feel real insecure about themselves and think that climbing down from their 15 foot high vehicle will make them that much "cooler"...ok whatever jackass.
And then there are those who get SUVs because they can and they just have lots of money floating around them...carpool for chrissakes!!! You might as well do something good for the earth if you're gonna destroy it. Sheesh. :pissed:

Ps. If anybody reading this has read my Intro post, this is the true me, not the sugary hyped up "Hi!! And how are we today" kinda girl.... :P

[Commando_turned_MD]

First it was R. Scott ~sucks~, and so does his movies.
Guns sucks and so do gun owners
SUV sucks and so do SUV owners

What's next? America sucks and so do Americans?
How about: Earth sucks and so does everyone who resides on Earth
How about: The Milky way sucks and so does everyone who lives in this galaxy.

Everything just sucks....It truely sucks......Life sucks....Death sucks.......What to do?...............What to do???.........Thinking sucks too........


It seems you have a lot of negative energy. Why not direct that energy towards something postive? Even your name conveys a negative message.... Why not change it to:Winner-butt.......You're not a loser; Your a winner!

Or maybe the purpose of your post is to get a rise out of people. Playing devil's advocate?.........Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


But this is the Rant room, so you can do whatever pleases you.........

[applehead]

what, so you're in love with everyone and everything??

[Commando_turned_MD]

Originally posted by akane21@Dec 4 2002, 05:11 PM
. IS this a status symbol? Yes for those who feel real insecure about themselves and think that climbing down from their 15 foot high vehicle will make them that much "cooler"...ok whatever jackass.
And then there are those who get SUVs because they can and they just have lots of money floating around them...carpool for chrissakes!!! You might as well do something good for the earth if you're gonna destroy it. Sheesh. :pissed:

. IS this a status symbol?
YUP


Yes for those who feel real insecure about themselves and think that climbing down from their 15 foot high vehicle will make them that much "cooler"...ok whatever jackass.

Yup....I do feel real insecure about myself.....I'm just an average joe.... I want to be cool..........I guess I'm a cool jackass. :D



And then there are those who get SUVs because they can and they just have lots of money floating around them...carpool for chrissakes!!! You might as well do something good for the earth if you're gonna destroy it. Sheesh. :pissed:


Carpool sucks and so do Carpoolers :D


Do sports car fall into this catergory too?
How about those so-caller racers, racing around LA in their so-call--(lack performance) sports car?
How about those damn truckers?

[eos]

Ok so are you just being sarcastic now cuz according to you , loserbutt is negative and everything just sucks?
Hmmm.....or maybe it's cuz you PERSONALLY took offense to this forum since you have a gas guzzling SUV.....gee I wonder~

[mrazntre]

Originally posted by armycommando_turned_doctor@Dec 5 2002, 01:37 AM

Do sports car fall into this catergory too?
How about those so-caller racers, racing around LA in their so-call--(lack performance) sports car?
How about those damn truckers?
No, because most civics get like 30mpg. so technically they don't suck.......gas.

hEh......!


Stop clowning on Karizma's future dream car.


Reasons I would get an SUV:

1) haul my boat
2) haul my trailer
3) haul my so-called sports car (at least I think it is)
4) have sex in the back
5) off roading to get to the sand dunes

And none of that bullshiet full-independent struts bullshiet.
i'm talking about front shocks, rear leaf springs, 4X4, wiff mud whompers.

[ren28]

I think it's bad to generalize that all SUV owners do not drive their SUV's offroad. It may be true for the majority but would be unfair for the few that use it the "right" way.

SUV's do far more harm than good. They suck gas and pollute like crazy. They block peoples' view. They generally can't stop as well as a car or handle as well as a car. I'm guessing 90% of people never take it to a place that necessitates the long suspension travel. That irks me. The rest of the 10% actually use them. ie: I have to rent an SUV to go to my yearly camping getaway because the last 45-60 minutes of travel is completely off-road. That is useful.

[ChinaLama]

ehhh SUVs are roomy. I like riding in an SUV. And you're less likely to die if some drunk veers off his lane and crashes into your car.

So I don't think SUVs suck per se; just that perhaps they should be designed more efficiently. But if you ask me, would I rather ride in a big, sturdy gas-guzzler, or a more energy-efficient compact that will fold in two if it's hit or hits something, then sorry, my life comes before the environment (or if you want to be anal about it, "everyone else's life.")

[Commando_turned_MD]

Originally posted by mrazntre@Dec 4 2002, 05:44 PM
Originally posted by armycommando_turned_doctor@Dec 5 2002, 01:37 AM

Do sports car fall into this catergory too?
How about those so-caller racers, racing around LA in their so-call--(lack performance) sports car?
How about those damn truckers?
No, because most civics get like 30mpg. so technically they don't suck.......gas.

hEh......!


Stop clowning on Karizma's future dream car.


Reasons I would get an SUV:

1) haul my boat
2) haul my trailer
3) haul my so-called sports car (at least I think it is)
4) have sex in the back
5) off roading to get to the sand dunes

And none of that bullshiet full-independent struts bullshiet.
i'm talking about front shocks, rear leaf springs, 4X4, wiff mud whompers.
Your right..........I've seen those Civics which resembles a Fighter Jet and still gets 32+ mpg .............It's because it lacks performance!!!!!!!!! :D


You would expect something with those aerodynamic ground effects, big dual exhaust would run 8 sec 1/4miles........hehehehhehehehheheheheheheheh

:lol:

My next vehicle purchase is going to be a HUMMER H1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yeah

[Commando_turned_MD]

Originally posted by akane21@Dec 4 2002, 05:42 PM
Ok so are you just being sarcastic now cuz according to you , loserbutt is negative and everything just sucks?
Hmmm.....or maybe it's cuz you PERSONALLY took offense to this forum since you have a gas guzzling SUV.....gee I wonder~
Actually, I drive a 1997 Mustang Cobra SVT.........

[iris]

I had an SUV when I was in college. I lived about 7 hours away from my home and it was more convenient for me to have one to move things back and forth. I was scared of it. It didn't handle turns or wet roads very well and it guzzled gas like crazy.

On the other hand, it holds of alot of junk like boxes and furniture. They aren't great for the environment, but it was either drive an SUV or something bigger like a truck or van, which I know I definitely would not have been able to handle. I now own a smaller car.

I wouldn't say I sucked for having owned one or that my parents do. I don't really judge people on their choice of vehicles.

[mrazntre]

Originally posted by armycommando_turned_doctor@Dec 5 2002, 02:30 AM
Originally posted by akane21@Dec 4 2002, 05:42 PM
Ok so are you just being sarcastic now cuz according to you  , loserbutt is negative and everything just sucks?
Hmmm.....or maybe it's cuz you PERSONALLY took offense to this forum since you have a gas guzzling SUV.....gee I wonder~
Actually, I drive a 1997 Mustang Cobra SVT.........
well... i suppose if you switch "SUV" to "Car"....... it'd work.

hehehehe...

[deez nuts]

Wow a new suck thread....wasn't what I expected....dang got my hopes up.

So close. So very close.

[Commando_turned_MD]

Yup :P

But it's not toooo bad....lol

[iris]

i am getting tired of the word "sucks"

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by iris@Dec 4 2002, 09:41 PM
i am getting tired of the word "sucks"
We can change it to "really, really bad."

[Commando_turned_MD]

Originally posted by ChinaLama@Dec 4 2002, 06:08 PM
ehhh SUVs are roomy. I like riding in an SUV. And you're less likely to die if some drunk veers off his lane and crashes into your car.

So I don't think SUVs suck per se; just that perhaps they should be designed more efficiently. But if you ask me, would I rather ride in a big, sturdy gas-guzzler, or a more energy-efficient compact that will fold in two if it's hit or hits something, then sorry, my life comes before the environment (or if you want to be anal about it, "everyone else's life.")
Exactly....That's why I'm planning to get the ultimate SUV:

HUMMER H1..................Hopefully a used one.......can't afford the 2003---115,000 is a little too high

[Commando_turned_MD]

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Dec 4 2002, 06:42 PM
We can change it to "really, really bad."
I agree. Let's expand our vocab :D

[loserbutt]

now the question is what to do about it. I personally say its about time that the light truck loophole was closed.

[ellsworth81]

Originally posted by Arex@Dec 4 2002, 04:16 PM
I don't think SUV owners necessarily SUCK, but I think there are definitely a lot of negative externalities stemming from widespread SUV use and not a whole lot of actual benefits...

Alex
I agree 100%. I really don't see what benefits there are to SUVs. Unless there are like no roads and really shitty terrain, you don't need one. They handle like shit, have shit gas mileage, take up lotsa space on the road and such, but worst is that ppl who drive SUVs have the perception of invincibility or something, so they drive not as carefully.

[sal612]

err me no like SUVS, that's why I rear-ended one last night. <_<

[hormiga]

Originally posted by ren28@Dec 4 2002, 06:06 PM
I think it's bad to generalize that all SUV owners do not drive their SUV's offroad. It may be true for the majority but would be unfair for the few that use it the "right" way.

SUV's do far more harm than good. They suck gas and pollute like crazy. They block peoples' view. They generally can't stop as well as a car or handle as well as a car. I'm guessing 90% of people never take it to a place that necessitates the long suspension travel. That irks me. The rest of the 10% actually use them. ie: I have to rent an SUV to go to my yearly camping getaway because the last 45-60 minutes of travel is completely off-road. That is useful.
Good Points.

[loserbutt]

actually come to think of it all car owners suck. we should all ride bikes, much better for the environment and physical fitness

[thaite]

I drive an SUV to:

Haul my ass
Haul my dogs
Haul my camping gear
Haul my SCUBA gear
Haul my skiing gear
Haul my mountain bike + gear
Run down pedestrians

.. and I got an effin' good deal on it, used.

[sal612]

Flips over too...right? j/p :rolleyes:

[applehead]

Originally posted by loserbutt@Dec 4 2002, 07:57 PM
actually come to think of it all car owners suck. we should all ride bikes, much better for the environment and physical fitness
i totally would if the roads were made a bit more safely for bike riders..

[sal612]

Yeah there's that whole biker/car driver rivalry on the streets haha.

[loserbutt]

yea I was almost killed by a stupid truck while riding my bike. was being driven by a fat doctor too. the irony

[sal612]

Doctor and a truck...interesting.

[applehead]

:lol: :lol: i read somewhere that most bike/car accidents occur when a driver opens the door to get out of a parked car and the biker slams into it...

but bike riding to work is becoming somewhat of a trend in nyc.. and i believe a lot of efforts are made to make the roads safter..

:) :)

[sal612]

Ouchies. :blink:

That would really hurt...I'd imagine...

[angel nympho]

My mom drives an SUV. It's nice for us shorties who like the feeling of seeing over other cars. But seeing as how so many people drive SUV's now, you really just see over 2 cars, n then you're staring into the ass of another SUV.

[BeTheReds]

Its a station wagon on stilts.

If the USA had better transpotation system ala JR and KNR then cars would be unnecessary. But the USA is too big...

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Dec 5 2002, 12:59 PM
Its a station wagon on stilts.

If the USA had better transpotation system ala JR and KNR then cars would be unnecessary. But the USA is too big...
and not densely populated enough. move everyone to California and I'm sure we'd end up with a great transportation system which everyone would take cuz property values would go so high no one could even think about affording a car.

as for SUVs ... wouldn't exist at all if it wasn't for all those bullshit gas-mileage regulations of the 80s which killed the station wagon, a far safer mode of transport and a vehicle far less likely to flip. not to mention, "environmental friendliness" regulations on cars with unreasonable efficiency targets slow down fleet turnover. Of course, with regulations in place, the new cars are cleaner, but then fewer people buys the damn things cuz they're too expensive, instead they keep driving their old polluting car for a few years longer. In the end, it's even worse for the environment than doing nothing at all.

You get an equilibrium rate of improving efficiency and decreasing pollution without government intervention and the creation of yet another money-wasting civil-servant filled bureaucracy to check up on tens of millions of cars. attempts to mess with this equilibrium just waste money.

[eos]

Originally posted by applehead@Dec 4 2002, 08:19 PM
but bike riding to work is becoming somewhat of a trend in nyc.. and i believe a lot of efforts are made to make the roads safter..

:) :)
Yeah here in Chicago Mayor Daley is being praised for making special lanes especially for bikers, even though some drivers (and bikers) tend to ignore it and do whatever they want. But in order for them to work shouldn't car owners and bikers respect each other? Not seeing too much of that around here and it's bugging the hell out of people.... <_<

[applehead]

Originally posted by akane21@Dec 4 2002, 09:47 PM

Yeah here in Chicago Mayor Daley is being praised for making special lanes especially for bikers, even though some drivers (and bikers) tend to ignore it and do whatever they want. But in order for them to work shouldn't car owners and bikers respect each other? Not seeing too much of that around here and it's bugging the hell out of people.... <_<
oh yeah that's what bike riders are trying to do here.. get more lanes for them...

but it's not going to work if even bikers don't respect it!!
blah!!

[sal612]

Cars gotta merge into bike lanes to turn right anyway...there's gotta be some clash between them...I sure as hell get annoyed w/ bikers that block my path taking their sweet time.

[Hanuman]

I love my SUV. It's roomy, it's good for hauling me and my buddies up to the slopes in the winter, and it suits me just fine for my long camping trips. I get snow here in upper new york, so I love the 4 x 4, and I'm always around to help a pal move.

During the summer when it's nice, I'll ride my motorcycle, that gets great mileage, gives off less emmissions and signifigantly reduces my chances of getting stuck in gridlock. Life is good. :dance: :D :lol:

[wylin]

Suvs are fun, i'd like a phat navigator on 24' rims dumped and chrome like shaq! Also i like camping and driving offroad those are the good things bout SUVs

u wanna hear bout polution? dude my 240sx makes more then most modern SUV its called emissions controls, also gas guzzling lotsa cars guzzle gas notice cars are getting larger cuz americans are growing their collective asses?

Also alota cars get worse gas mileage then most SUV's
- ferrari's
- porsche 911 turbo
- mazda Rx-7
- Supra
- corvette C4 and C5
- Dodge viper
- most turbo vehicles when driven hard
- rolls royce / bentley and 7series and S class
etc.

yah army comando turned DR. ren's sy's and my car are pretty on par w/ ur cobra. we make about the same hp to the wheel! plus isnt the 97 cobra the one maligned w/ the incorrect HP figures? or is that the Cobra type thats gutted and stripped for racing. forgot the model.

[DaBestSpooner]

Originally posted by armycommando_turned_doctor@Dec 4 2002, 09:30 PM
Originally posted by akane21@Dec 4 2002, 05:42 PM
Ok so are you just being sarcastic now cuz according to you &nbsp;, loserbutt is negative and everything just sucks?
Hmmm.....or maybe it's cuz you PERSONALLY took offense to this forum since you have a gas guzzling SUV.....gee I wonder~
Actually, I drive a 1997 Mustang Cobra SVT.........
arent those gas guzzlers too?

[hormiga]

Originally posted by DaBestSpooner@Dec 5 2002, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by armycommando_turned_doctor@Dec 4 2002, 09:30 PM
Originally posted by akane21@Dec 4 2002, 05:42 PM
Ok so are you just being sarcastic now cuz according to you , loserbutt is negative and everything just sucks?
Hmmm.....or maybe it's cuz you PERSONALLY took offense to this forum since you have a gas guzzling SUV.....gee I wonder~
Actually, I drive a 1997 Mustang Cobra SVT.........
arent those gas guzzlers too?
Why don't we just bring back 95 octane and high performance V8s like in the sixties and early seventies, and then everyone will be happy. World is in the crapper anyway!

[bigwong235]

yeesh.. now i feel bad for driving my car! :cry:

[amietron]

girls suck. do their "owners" suck, too?

[mrazntre]

Originally posted by DaBestSpooner@Dec 5 2002, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by armycommando_turned_doctor@Dec 4 2002, 09:30 PM
Originally posted by akane21@Dec 4 2002, 05:42 PM
Ok so are you just being sarcastic now cuz according to you , loserbutt is negative and everything just sucks?
Hmmm.....or maybe it's cuz you PERSONALLY took offense to this forum since you have a gas guzzling SUV.....gee I wonder~
Actually, I drive a 1997 Mustang Cobra SVT.........
arent those gas guzzlers too?
that has already been covered.

[Commando_turned_MD]

Originally posted by amietron@Dec 5 2002, 03:02 PM
girls suck. do their "owners" suck, too?
But of course..... :D
But it's usually above the waist.......... :P

[Hanuman]

We had a lot of snow today. It was a mess, cars are getting stuck, sliding around all over the place and we've had a ton of accidents.

I took my SUV to a parking lot and did donuts, just because. It was fun. I love my Heidi (that's the name of my truck). :D

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by Tawee@Dec 5 2002, 10:15 PM
We had a lot of snow today. It was a mess, cars are getting stuck, sliding around all over the place and we've had a ton of accidents.

I took my SUV to a parking lot and did donuts, just because. It was fun. I love my Heidi (that's the name of my truck). :D
Heidi? As in Heidi, Heidi, ho? :blink:

[lethal]

Originally posted by Tawee@Dec 5 2002, 10:15 PM
We had a lot of snow today. It was a mess, cars are getting stuck, sliding around all over the place and we've had a ton of accidents.

I took my SUV to a parking lot and did donuts, just because. It was fun. I love my Heidi (that's the name of my truck). :D
Saw lots of SUVs in ditches today. Their owners obviously thought that 4 wheel drive meant "I can drive however the fuck I want in the snow and I'll be OK"

Wrong!

Not saying that SUVs aren't better in the snow. I wish I had one today personally, but you still have to know the limits of performance.

[Hanuman]

Originally posted by lethalweapon@Dec 5 2002, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by Tawee@Dec 5 2002, 10:15 PM
We had a lot of snow today. &nbsp;It was a mess, cars are getting stuck, sliding around all over the place and we've had a ton of accidents.

I took my SUV to a parking lot and did donuts, just because. &nbsp;It was fun. &nbsp;I love my Heidi (that's the name of my truck). :D
Saw lots of SUVs in ditches today. Their owners obviously thought that 4 wheel drive meant "I can drive however the fuck I want in the snow and I'll be OK"

Wrong!

Not saying that SUVs aren't better in the snow. I wish I had one today personally, but you still have to know the limits of performance.
Yeah that's so true, I saw a lot of morons that didn't realize that 4 x 4 helps them start going not stopping. Retards......

Heidi? As in Heidi, Heidi, ho

CSB, as in au pairs, nannies. You know "ya, ya is good!"

[hormiga]

Originally posted by Tawee@Dec 5 2002, 07:43 PM
Originally posted by lethalweapon@Dec 5 2002, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by Tawee@Dec 5 2002, 10:15 PM
We had a lot of snow today. It was a mess, cars are getting stuck, sliding around all over the place and we've had a ton of accidents.

I took my SUV to a parking lot and did donuts, just because. It was fun. I love my Heidi (that's the name of my truck). :D
Saw lots of SUVs in ditches today. Their owners obviously thought that 4 wheel drive meant "I can drive however the fuck I want in the snow and I'll be OK"

Wrong!

Not saying that SUVs aren't better in the snow. I wish I had one today personally, but you still have to know the limits of performance.
Yeah that's so true, I saw a lot of morons that didn't realize that 4 x 4 helps them start going not stopping. Retards......



CSB, as in au pairs, nannies. You know "ya, ya is good!"
"Slippin' and a Slidin', peepin' and a hidin', been told a long time ago"
------- Little Richard B)

[luv]

Don't know much about SUV's (don't own a car), but sure is funny seeing someone drive an Expedition (wait -- is that considered an SUV -- its a friggin tank) around the middle of downtown Chicago, then trying to park it. heheheh....

But seriously, who needs one if they live in the city and don't drive across states or up mountainsides?

[eos]

Originally posted by luv@Dec 5 2002, 09:25 PM
Don't know much about SUV's (don't own a car), but sure is funny seeing someone drive an Expedition (wait -- is that considered an SUV -- its a friggin tank) around the middle of downtown Chicago, then trying to park it. heheheh....

But seriously, who needs one if they live in the city and don't drive across states or up mountainsides?
Jen...I totally agree with you..it is particularly entertaining watching a tank maneuver into a parking space up in Lincoln Park...I laugh at those people.
I mean, how many Porches, Ferraris, Rolls, are there driving around anyway?? I think a hell of a lot less than SUVs....maybe we just po' up in Chicago... :P

[angel nympho]

Those new Hummers are NICE. Who wants to be the lucky person who gets to buy me one...?

[mrazntre]

Originally posted by akane21@Dec 6 2002, 06:25 AM
Originally posted by luv@Dec 5 2002, 09:25 PM
Don't know much about SUV's (don't own a car), but sure is funny seeing someone drive an Expedition (wait -- is that considered an SUV -- its a friggin tank) around the middle of downtown Chicago, then trying to park it. &nbsp;heheheh....

But seriously, who needs one if they live in the city and don't drive across states or up mountainsides?
Jen...I totally agree with you..it is particularly entertaining watching a tank maneuver into a parking space up in Lincoln Park...I laugh at those people.
I mean, how many Porches, Ferraris, Rolls, are there driving around anyway?? I think a hell of a lot less than SUVs....maybe we just po' up in Chicago... :P
porsches are a dime a dozen in the area that i work.

[loserbutt]

I'm a communist

[mrazntre]

i'm a poverty-ist

[Elizabeth A.]

It may be all right to have an SUV if you live somewhere where it snows from October to May and you need to drive forty miles to work every day.

There is absolutely no reason to have an SUV if you live in, say, Manhattan (and mostly stay in Manhattan), or in a suburb where your greatest daily excursion is driving the kids to soccer practice.

[wylin]

Originally posted by Elizabeth A.@Dec 7 2002, 11:10 AM
It may be all right to have an SUV if you live somewhere where it snows from October to May and you need to drive forty miles to work every day.

There is absolutely no reason to have an SUV if you live in, say, Manhattan (and mostly stay in Manhattan), or in a suburb where your greatest daily excursion is driving the kids to soccer practice.
then 90% of people who own them shouldnt own them cuz most SUV owners are women who ferry thier children to and fro.

[loserbutt]

so um, who's in favor of either a higher cafe regulatory standard or higher gas tax?

[angel nympho]

Don't knock. SUV's are just a new version of a minivan.

[loserbutt]

except they get worse gas mileage and have less interior room

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by loserbutt@Dec 7 2002, 08:06 PM
except they get worse gas mileage and have less interior room
Well they aren't EQUIVALENT to the minivan. It's just the comtemporary take on it.

[loserbutt]

with all the technological improvements to gasoline engines you'd think they'd be able to make a more efficient automobile. actually they can, the just choose not to

[Hanuman]

Originally posted by loserbutt@Dec 7 2002, 03:37 PM
with all the technological improvements to gasoline engines you'd think they'd be able to make a more efficient automobile. actually they can, the just choose not to
They do make a lot of hybrid cars out there, but they're still expensive, woefully underpowered and ugly as sin.

My friend drives the Outback with is in the SUV class, but gets pretty good mileage. Then again, it's lighter and has the AWD system instead of the 4 wheel drive option (and when you use that, you can practically see your gas level drop).

[teaz0r]

back in 96 when i was still in boston i had a sc300
then a year ago i got an rx300
now that i sold it and driving a smaller car.
i miss it.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by loserbutt@Dec 7 2002, 08:37 PM
with all the technological improvements to gasoline engines you'd think they'd be able to make a more efficient automobile. actually they can, the just choose not to
They choose not to 'cuz people don't buy hybrid cars.

[wylin]

i want fusion powered cars, fusion if ever heavily research would the best powerplant for a small vehicle...

-9-15 years of constant use.
- clean efficient power unlike fission power
- problematic currently because of the anti-nuclear activism.

i believe that cars should be regulated and taxed by weight and engine size like they are in japan. make different classes of vehicles like for insurance also like britain.

Lighter then 2500lb less then 1.6 liter - K car class

sub 2.0 liter class - subcompacts

2.0-2.5 liter compact cars

3.0-3.5 liter sedan class cars

3.5-6.0 liter large class cars

6.0-9.0 liter gas guzzling cars

different taxation based on the engine and force manufactuers to make more turbo cars! like japan where everythings has a small turbocharged motor!

:dance:

[wylin]

Originally posted by loserbutt@Dec 7 2002, 12:37 PM
with all the technological improvements to gasoline engines you'd think they'd be able to make a more efficient automobile. actually they can, the just choose not to
then u'd be destroying true enthusiast cars along w/ SUV's thankfully here in america fuel economy be dammed! we can have truely inefficient means of transportation that inspire people to enjoy driving. like the:

fun 4 cylinder cars loser but probs wants to ban
- mr2 - 2 seats 200hp-276ps (japan) gets bout 18mpg!
- s2000 - 2 seats 240hp gets bout 20mpg
- s14/s15 silvia (jp only) 220-250hp gets bout 18mpg
- WRX 227hp~276hp (sti) less than 20mpg
- Lancer EVO7 276hp 16mpg

list goes on w/ 6 and 8 cylinder cars.

enviroment be dammed and run w/o emissions controls! power to the people!

[loserbutt]

hmm, so how bout a high gas tax? you can still drive your sports car.... you'll just have to pay quite a bit more....

[wylin]

Originally posted by loserbutt@Dec 7 2002, 03:13 PM
hmm, so how bout a high gas tax? you can still drive your sports car.... you'll just have to pay quite a bit more....
no sorry, u can rot in hell first. one of the good reasons to live in america is to have cheap gas. cheap gas is worth more then life, the conflict in iraq proves that.

i want cheap gas, fasts cars, and fun drives.

[karizma]

yea...what wylin said.

who wants a loser ass hybrid car that only had 5 more hp than a lawnmower? seems like americans are all about cheap speed..i.e. mustangs and camaros...whose gonna buy an expensive car that cant make it up a hill? maybe im overexaggerating a bit...but blah...taxing people who want better car is just wrong. WRONG

suv's dont suck...they're a nice chill ride :D escalade!!

[hormiga]

Originally posted by wylin@Dec 7 2002, 06:25 PM
no sorry, u can rot in hell first. one of the good reasons to live in america is to have cheap gas. cheap gas is worth more then life, the conflict in iraq proves that.

i want cheap gas, fasts cars, and fun drives.
When the U.S. goes to war gas prices will increase to upwards of two or three dollars per gallon.

[TyroneK(prettypretty)]

SUV's do suck. They're overpowered, ill-designed motortransportation. They usually don't have enough cargo room to be useful like a truck is. They're usually too nice to torture by doing real errands and work. They also don't have enough passenger room to be as good a people mover as minivans. They're just big consumer status symbols.

Laws are suppose to impose incentives that create the greatest good for society. A high gas tax isn't the worst way to go in that respect. More efficient distribution of resources. More incentive for the car companies to create fuel efficient cars that can reach a decent speed and have good acceleration. The techonology's there. We just haven't kicked the people's boot up the car companies' ass.

If you really want the power and speed at the expense of society's greater economic and environmental interests, you should be willing to pony up the cash. We can't always get what we want at the optimal price. Suck it up.

[wylin]

to all gas tax people and anti-performance

yep the technology exists its called turbo-superchargine. u stick this compressort and turbine thing on the exhaust manifold and u put exhaust gas thru the turbine side that spins the compressor. bam turbo power.

also if u think taxes will stimulate creation of better cars look at the rest of the world. japan most cars are relatively close the cars sold here. except for a higher incedence of forced induction cars (its more acceptable) and in europe where they are starting to have an SUV craze and the medium sized sedan/ 5 door hatch is king. technology doesnt exist unless u can come up w/ a cold fusion motor for me or perpetual motion motor, if not sit down shut up, and stop bellowing and ride a Segway! while i blow by at full glory boosting away and flaming outa my exhaust!

:blink:

[TyroneK(prettypretty)]

I'm just saying that if the power to drive a car 100% above the legal speed limit with ease is important to you, you should be willing to pay for it. Otherwise, if it's not that important to your life, don't go whining to me about how much it costs and how the police are pulling you over. It's a luxury as far as I'm concerned. Luxuries are attained at a higher price than most essential goods.

And there's a lot more factors than gas taxes that affect the kind of cars being sold in Japan and Europe. Those taxes are probably paying for a wide variety of things like they're more elaborate healthcare and social services systems. Who knows what they're trying to do. Plus, if cars are more of a luxury item everywhere else than they are here, they're probably nicer and more powerful to suit the higher class of consumer.

The higher taxes are probably a more efficient allocation of resources in a way. The people who just need normal transportation get it in a cheaper, cleaner way. The people who get more personal value from their cars put out what they're willing to pay for it. Society's resources get distributed according to who wants them the most.

There actually is a lot of technology as far as engine idling, electrical systems and gasoline consumption efficiency that can be put in cars right now without significantly decreasing power and still increasing average mpg's 10 miles or more. We just don't have them right now because the market incentive isn't there. That's why people are proposing taxes and the like. Creation of incentive to innovate. It's not impossible. It's just expensive and the car companies want to make you think it's impossible. Give human ingenuity more credit, man.

I understand why you wouldn't want to pay for alternative technologies and the like, but I wouldn't mind shelling out the cash as long as we make progress in increasing conservation of resources and lessening of harmful environmental impact.

[wylin]

those technology were introduced in california they were a pramount failure the honda EV, discouraged honda so badly in cali they decided to stop making electric vehicles, also the cost to the manufactuer for those technology exceed what they can sell the car for. For example a GM EV1 electric car costs 50k usa to make but is leased for bout 20k over 3 years, and Honda EV costs 45,000$.

then again this comes from some one whose car has been stripped of emission controls and has and can work on and tune alota different cars. im an enthusiast and maybe my knowledge of the industry and technology extends past just legislation. :luv:

[mrazntre]

Originally posted by loserbutt@Dec 7 2002, 11:13 PM
hmm, so how bout a high gas tax? you can still drive your sports car.... you'll just have to pay quite a bit more....
we pay for 91 octane... that's usually a good +20cents on regular unleaded. that's tax enough.

[mrazntre]

Originally posted by VBKao@Dec 8 2002, 04:10 AM
I'm just saying that if the power to drive a car 100% above the legal speed limit with ease is important to you, you should be willing to pay for it. Otherwise, if it's not that important to your life, don't go whining to me about how much it costs and how the police are pulling you over. It's a luxury as far as I'm concerned. Luxuries are attained at a higher price than most essential goods.

this is already compensated for in paying for higher octane gas, paying higher insurance fees, paying for increased tune up intervals, higher grade oil, higher grade tires, and imminent engine failure at least 50% of that of an econobox.

btw, if you hadn't noticed, sports cars ARE more expensive than econobox cars, thereby affirming your statement that luxuries should be attained at a higher price. i think you're going around in circles.

And the police pulling you over has nothing to do with what the potential of your car has the ability to do. It's how the car looks, regardless of your speed limit, regardless of the obeyance to exhaust noise laws, regardless of the proper height restrictions on a lowered car.... etc. People don't whine about being pulled over because their cars are fast, they whine because cops pull over cars based on racial profiling, bigotry, and ignorance.

[ren28]

Originally posted by VBKao@Dec 7 2002, 08:10 PM
I'm just saying that if the power to drive a car 100% above the legal speed limit with ease is important to you, you should be willing to pay for it. Otherwise, if it's not that important to your life, don't go whining to me about how much it costs and how the police are pulling you over. It's a luxury as far as I'm concerned. Luxuries are attained at a higher price than most essential goods.

There actually is a lot of technology as far as engine idling, electrical systems and gasoline consumption efficiency that can be put in cars right now without significantly decreasing power and still increasing average mpg's 10 miles or more. We just don't have them right now because the market incentive isn't there. That's why people are proposing taxes and the like. Creation of incentive to innovate. It's not impossible. It's just expensive and the car companies want to make you think it's impossible. Give human ingenuity more credit, man.

I understand why you wouldn't want to pay for alternative technologies and the like, but I wouldn't mind shelling out the cash as long as we make progress in increasing conservation of resources and lessening of harmful environmental impact.
Negative on some of those points, dude. The power to drive a car 100% over the legal limit has nothing to do with anything. Just about any car can do that these days. If you are talking performance cars, then people with performance cars should get a BREAK if anything. Performance cars (real ones, not ricey crap) can out corner, out brake, and take an emergency lane change maneuver at higher speeds than normal cars and econoboxes. My car (a performace car) passes emissions EASILY with only the smaller of the two stock catalytic convertors and PASSES emissions with NO catalytic convertor to speak of and no "tweeking" or smog passing solutions added to the gas. These tests were done in the ultra-strict smog state of California.

The market incentive depends mostly on the market... but car companies do make things cleaner than they "need" to be. For example, there are a good number makes and models that meet ULEV standards and LEV standards and are making quite a bit of horsepower. I bet you could not guess the gas mileage of the 405HP & 400ft/lb Z06 Corvette. It's rated at 28mpg on the freeway and 19mpg in the city! Idle technology with the current mass produced cars is insignificant, IMO. People should not idle their cars for too long, period. Major makes are creating cars that use less gas and beat emissions standards set by the government. While that 10mpg may be technologically feasible, it may not be financially sound, or a risk-free investment. I am skeptical of this technology anyway... if I was a manufacturer that was guaranteed 10mpg regardless of the vehicle at the expense of 10% horsepower loss, I'd take that 10mpg instantly if it was cheap to produce, cheap to install, and reliable. It would be a no-brainer, even if it was an added option for $2000.

[angel nympho]

I want an Escalade EXT or whatever those truck/SUV things are called. Most of my friends HATE them, but I think they look HOT !!!!!!!!

And then it DOES have the usefulness of a truck... so it can't "SUCK" the way ya'll think an SUV does.

[Faithless]

<!--QuoteBegin-Craig+Dec 4 2002, 04:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Craig @ Dec 4 2002, 04:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> How widespread is the use of SUVs ? Is it pretty equitable across some of the states or more of an issue in certain states where lots of people have ego issues (Texas, etc.) ? [/b][/quote]
The Lansing State Journal says that SUVs have 25% or the US car sales:
http://www.lsj.com/news/business/030130_mi...paradox_7c.html (http://www.lsj.com/news/business/030130_mi--suvparadox_7c.html)
The popularity of SUVs has increased steadily over the past decade. They now represent up to 25 percent of total U.S. vehicle sales.

Hyundai's and Honda's experienced a large percentage of sales for themselves recently:
http://www.autooninfo.info/NAEd200305USSalesNews.htm
In the Hyundai-General Motors war, Hyundai struck another blow. Hyundai's U.S. truck (SUV) sales in April soared 62% and its overall U.S. April vehicle sales rose 9%.

Honda's U.S. truck (SUV and minivan) sales in April soared 55% and its overall U.S. April vehicle sales rose 11%. Honda has a couple of new SUVs and a rather tenaciously loyal customer base.

[Chinese Tourist]

WTF

BAN SUVS, not sports cars.. moron :pissed: B)

So maybe a sportscar is a charm to drive and the driver wants to drive a lot.. fine, he can pay for all that gas.

But to raise taxes on gas to target.. sportscars owners? WTF THE SUV PEOPLE WASTE ALL THE DAMN GAS

[ren28]

<!--QuoteBegin-mrazntre+Dec 8 2002, 01:06 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (mrazntre @ Dec 8 2002, 01:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-VBKao+Dec 8 2002, 04:10 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (VBKao @ Dec 8 2002, 04:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm just saying that if the power to drive a car 100% above the legal speed limit with ease is important to you, you should be willing to pay for it. Otherwise, if it's not that important to your life, don't go whining to me about how much it costs and how the police are pulling you over. It's a luxury as far as I'm concerned. Luxuries are attained at a higher price than most essential goods.
[/b][/quote]
this is already compensated for in paying for higher octane gas, paying higher insurance fees, paying for increased tune up intervals, higher grade oil, higher grade tires, and imminent engine failure at least 50% of that of an econobox.

btw, if you hadn't noticed, sports cars ARE more expensive than econobox cars, thereby affirming your statement that luxuries should be attained at a higher price. i think you're going around in circles.

And the police pulling you over has nothing to do with what the potential of your car has the ability to do. It's how the car looks, regardless of your speed limit, regardless of the obeyance to exhaust noise laws, regardless of the proper height restrictions on a lowered car.... etc. People don't whine about being pulled over because their cars are fast, they whine because cops pull over cars based on racial profiling, bigotry, and ignorance. [/b][/quote]
How weird. I wrote that post and it also has my sig but it says that f00 trE wrote it. :confused: :confused:

[AngryABCGirl]

I understand the purpose of SOME people owning SUVs, like those who have to drive through snow or live in moutianous terrian and need the 4-wheel drive or are in some sort of profession where they need to haul stuff, but when I see a mom drop off her kids to basketball practice in huge 8-liter engine Lexus in LA, it's the most frivilous wasteful thing I've ever seen. First of all, SUVs aren't exactly that safe to have in a city just for the safety of passengers, not to mention the suckers you might take out on the road. SUVs have a higher center of gravity so they have the chance of turning over more than mini-vans do... meaning on an LA freeway you can drive a mini-van and be safer and more economnical because your gas-guzzling vehicle might flip over.

If you want a powerful car with some luxury, for the same price get a nice sports car or something, it might even be safer and perhaps take up less gas and be a lot more fun to drive.

[Xanadu]

<!--QuoteBegin-AzNBuffGrL+Aug 9 2003, 06:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AzNBuffGrL @ Aug 9 2003, 06:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I understand the purpose of SOME people owning SUVs, like those who have to drive through snow or live in moutianous terrian and need the 4-wheel drive or are in some sort of profession where they need to haul stuff, but when I see a mom drop off her kids to basketball practice in huge 8-liter engine Lexus in LA, it's the most frivilous wasteful thing I've ever seen. First of all, SUVs aren't exactly that safe to have in a city just for the safety of passengers, not to mention the suckers you might take out on the road. SUVs have a higher center of gravity so they have the chance of turning over more than mini-vans do... meaning on an LA freeway you can drive a mini-van and be safer and more economnical because your gas-guzzling vehicle might flip over.

If you want a powerful car with some luxury, for the same price get a nice sports car or something, it might even be safer and perhaps take up less gas and be a lot more fun to drive. [/b][/quote]
I totally agree with you - it's plain stupidity and madness when many Californians, who also claim to be environment-friendly, don't practice what they preach and drive these SUVs just to keep up with the Joneses and follow the trend. :rolleyes:

[yoMAMA]

Yeah, so Arnold the candidate calls himself an 'environmentalist', while driving gas guzzlers at the same time!

It's called Hummer environmentalists!

:go:

[Xanadu]

<!--QuoteBegin-yoMAMA+Aug 9 2003, 06:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (yoMAMA @ Aug 9 2003, 06:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yeah, so Arnold the candidate calls himself an 'environmentalist', while driving gas guzzlers at the same time!

It's called Hummer environmentalists!

:go: [/b][/quote]
:lol: What an oxymoron! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[DaBestSpooner]

<!--QuoteBegin-loserbutt+Dec 4 2002, 06:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (loserbutt @ Dec 4 2002, 06:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> they burn too much gas, release too much CO2, and cause more automobile fatalities

and my father wants to get one :ph34r: [/b][/quote]
more reason for me to get an escalade

[yoMAMA]

<!--QuoteBegin-DaBestSpooner+Aug 13 2003, 01:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DaBestSpooner @ Aug 13 2003, 01:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-loserbutt+Dec 4 2002, 06:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (loserbutt @ Dec 4 2002, 06:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> they burn too much gas, release too much CO2, and cause more automobile fatalities

and my father wants to get one&nbsp; :ph34r: [/b][/quote]
more reason for me to get an escalade [/b][/quote]
Dude, if you don't get a Navigator, you ain't a player!

[LigotflabL]

I love SUV's. It's like driving a freaken tank around town. haha. I wouldn't have it any other way.

[Emperor_Mike]

I have two SUVs because I need to carry plenty of things around on a near weekly basis. When I'm not shuttling boxes of food and whatnot, the Civic's just fine. ^_^

But if you drive a gas guzzler "just because" or think it's a status symbol of some sort, then it's just plain odd. To each his (or her) own, I suppose.

[Faithless]

Our little SUV has been plenty handy in hauling stuff from the nursery stores, as well as, Home Depot.

My wife uses it for work in hauling computers and monitors and stuff.

I have two SUVs because I need to carry plenty of things around on a near weekly basis. When I'm not shuttling boxes of food and whatnot, the Civic's just fine. ^_^

But if you drive a gas guzzler "just because" or think it's a status symbol of some sort, then it's just plain odd. To each his (or her) own, I suppose.

[achtungbaby]

Moving to the Auto forum.

[Filiprish]

I'm not going to drive an SUV until they get better gas mileage and emissions.

[DragonKnight]

I'm not going to drive an SUV until they get better gas mileage and emissions.I think there's a hybrid version coming out:

http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=4022502&src=News

It's expected to make 34mpg combined.

[Faithless]

More drivers dump SUVs for other vehicles (http://www.detnews.com/2004/autosinsider/0408/30/a01-257913.htm)
Rising gas costs, desire for change tied to trend

By Eric Mayne / The Detroit News

The thrill isn’t gone, but it’s fading for a growing number of sport utility vehicle owners.

For the first time since the boom in SUV sales started in the 1990s, more SUV owners are opting for change at trade-in time.

Based on a new survey of 80,000 households by CNW Marketing of Bandon, Ore., 37.2 percent of SUV owners — or nearly 4 in 10 — have traded for a car, minivan or crossover vehicle this year.

As recently as 2000, just 1 in 10 SUV owners defected to another type of vehicle.

Analysts and SUV owners say higher gasoline prices and the wider availability and selection of crossover models that combine SUV and car attributes are behind the shift.

SUVs also have come under greater scrutiny from federal regulators and safety advocates because of their propensity to roll over. Some SUV owners have been drawn to sleek new cars such as the Chrysler 300 sedan and Dodge Magnum wagon.

And for some longtime SUV fans, it’s time to move on to something different.

“I’m just sick and tired of driving an SUV,” Robert De Rosa said last week as he traded his GMC Envoy for a 2004 Volkswagen Jetta at Fox Toyota Volkswagen in Rochester Hills.

U.S. sales of SUVs are still on track to hit 2.77 million this year. But that’s down from 2.86 million in 2003 and 2.97 million in 2002, according to Ward’s Automotive Reports.

Automakers, which earn a large chunk of their profits from SUV sales, have had to jack up rebates on SUVs to counter waning demand.

Last month, luxury SUVs such as the Lincoln Navigator and Cadillac Escalade carried an average rebate of $4,885, the biggest discount on any vehicle.

SUVs are also languishing longer on dealer lots. In July, it took dealers 72 days to sell an SUV, compared with 60 days during July of last year, according to J.D. Power and Associates.

Mohamed Aouadhi, 29, of Clinton Township bought a Jeep Grand Cherokee as an investment and planned to ship it to his native Tunisia for resale.

When logistics proved too expensive, he put it on the market here. It sat on the street so long he collected five parking tickets.

“I sold it very cheap,” Aouadhi said, adding he lost more than $10,000, the difference between the sale price and his $35,000 purchase price.

While demand may be fading, analysts say it’s too early to write off the SUV.

“It’s an obituary much like the one that was written for minivans,” said Art Spinella, president of CNW Marketing.

When minivans debuted in the mid-1980s, annual sales quickly soared to over 2 million. The minivan honeymoon faded with the emergence of SUVs in the 1990s, but a healthy 1.4 million units a year are still sold.

How far SUV sales will fall is anyone’s guess, Spinella said. Why they’re falling is no mystery.

De Rosa recalls driving his Envoy from his shop — Signature Custom Kitchen and Bath in Clinton Township — to visit a prospective customer in Clay Township.

“That’s about an hour and 20 minutes from here and it’s half a tank of gas, gone,” said the 34-year-old Sterling Heights resident. “And we don’t even know if we’re going to get the job yet.”

His new Jetta features a 1.8-liter turbocharged engine — less than half the size of the one that powered his Envoy. De Rosa expects his VW will get 25 mpg, nearly double the performance of his SUV.

With gas prices hovering at $1.97 a gallon nationwide — up 12 cents from a year ago — fuel economy ranks high on consumer priority lists. A recent study by Kelley Blue Book, a car shopping guide, showed gas prices have become a critical factor in nearly half of all vehicle purchases.

Gas prices weighed heavily on Stafford Coakley’s decision to trade his Nissan Pathfinder for a Mazda6 sedan. He doesn’t often miss the all-weather capability of his SUV’s 4-wheel-drive system?

“My Mazda6 has the traction control system, and it’s a front-wheel drive,” said Coakley, a 34-year-old environmental engineer in Whitemarsh, Mass.

But his three children miss the loftier seating position provided by the Pathfinder.

There are signs that crossovers like the Chrysler Pacifica could eventually become more popular than traditional truck-based SUVs.

Ward estimates the number of 2005 SUV models will drop to 42 from an all-time high of 50 in 2003 and 2002, while the number of crossovers will hit an all-time high of 37 next year, up from 27 in 2004.

Ford Motor Co. is positioning its 2005 Ford Freestyle crossover to take full advantage of a swing in momentum. “It’s a bridge vehicle,” said Amy Marentic, marketing manager for the Freestyle and Ford Five Hundred sedan.

Both vehicles feature all-wheel-drive technology, with an emphasis on seating flexibility — two hallmarks of SUVs.

Lonny Frye, who lives on 11 acres of rural Wisconsin north of Milwaukee, is moving into a car from a Toyota 4Runner.

“I simply got tired of the truck-like ride,” said Frye, a 63-year-old retiree who was considering a Toyota Avalon or a Lexus model. “And then the Chrysler 300 (sedan) came out. I’ve got side-curtain air bags. It’s a good-looking car. It’s going to be a fun car. And it’s going to be a safe car.”

Americans won’t abandon SUVs. They still project the rugged image that many buyers desire and often have the towing capacity to pull boats and campers.

But Americans are also known for ingenuity. Michael Bonkowski, 37, of Westland, traded a Jeep Cherokee for a Chrysler Town & Country minivan.

While he wins on the fuel economy front, he loses on towing. So Bonkowski will use his Lincoln for towing.

“I can pull almost the same-size trailer with my Town Car,” he said.

[stunninglyAsian]

Today I'm on my way home and on a local road, I see a Hummer H2 on the right side, so I know he's going to try to get into my lane. At two car lengths away from him, he stares right at me and turns into the lane next to me- now if I weren't paying attention or had decided to speed up just a little bit instead just coasting- I would have gotten into an accident. I mean, I couldn't believe this. He didn't peel out onto the road, rather it was a leisurly let's enjoy a Sunday drive type turn.

I merge onto the hwy, I'm in the far right lane and move to the center lane, with a SUV behind me. I don't cut people off because I don't know if they're looking at the road or on the cell, so I gave 4 carlengths of space between us. Then I go into the left lane and put some space between me and the car in front of me. Now the SUV catches up and is tailgating the slower car in his lane. Now I know this idiot is going to try to get into my lane so I back off a bit, expecting him to move. But he doesn't at first. So as the left lane is slowly passing the SUV, he decides to make his move. And you can tell he wasn't sure if he did the right thing or not cuz the SUV moved into the left lane, then moved a bit back into the middle lane before going into the left lane and then slows down. Traffic is clustered in the left side of hwy, so I go to the extreme right lane and then go to the extreme left lane, in front of the SUV, I figure I gave him a carlength, which is a lot more than he gave me and continued speeding down the left lane. And he gives me the middle finger.

It's this cocky, always yield to me attitude that I hate. Like I'm supposed yield to a SUV like a ambulance because of their sheer size. You know that attitude is what gets 'em killed- eventually one day their expectations for smaller cars is going to come to a crashing halt when a driver who isn't paying attention or is speeding can't stop. Then they're gonna rollover, get thrown out of their SUV and their 6ft, 6ton SUV isn't going to protect squat. It would be worth it for gas to shoot up to $7/gal to see the SUV disappear. I laugh when people on the news bitch about putting in $100 into their SUV, not my problem motherfucker.

[Filiprish]

Hybrids SUVs are are rolling out factories as we speak, which is good news. I heard for '05 Hummer -- yes, you've read correctly -- is debuting it's own hybrid. Times are finally changing.

http://autos.msn.com/research/category/hybrid.aspx?GT1=5960

[kpih]

Hybrids SUVs are are rolling out factories as we speak, which is good news. I heard for '05 Hummer -- yes, you've read correctly -- is debuting it's own hybrid. Times are finally changing.

http://autos.msn.com/research/category/hybrid.aspx?GT1=5960

1) SUVs suck, and most SUV drivers suck. I almost got my behind run over on my bike by numerous SUVs because they are too tall to see me.

2) H2 suck even more. Ultimate overcompensation. Follow this link: http://www.fuh2.com/

[s1eve]

There's nothing worse then seeing a mass gathering of SUVs parked and double-parked outside schools, driven by housewives who have never ventured past the city limits into the offroad which these vehicles were designed for.

[kimpossible]

There's nothing worse then seeing a mass gathering of SUVs parked and double-parked outside schools, driven by housewives who have never ventured past the city limits into the offroad which these vehicles were designed for.

Yes there is. A bunch of candyass yuppies geared up in full leathers leaning on their BMW bikes outside of Starbucks, riding their midlife crises out more often than their bikes. No, I'm not jealous of their bikes in a least. Not at all.

[s1eve]

Yes there is. A bunch of candyass yuppies geared up in full leathers leaning on their BMW bikes outside of Starbucks, riding their midlife crises out more often than their bikes. No, I'm not jealous of their bikes in a least. Not at all.

Wait, we're talking SUVs here so... technically yours don't count. :tongue:

[kimpossible]

I guess if I'm gonna get owned, s1eve's one of my first choices to by owned by. :biggrin: