Racist African American against Chinese

[Moonlightkiz]

I work at my parent's resturant which is located in a ghetto area of town. Tonight, an African American walked in and placed an order. When the order was ready she wanted her two meals to be put in 4 different plates. I told her that we cannot do that unless she is willing to pay a little extra. She then called me a b#%ch. I immediately told her that she can have her money back but she continued to go on saying very ignorant and mean comments such as "You immigrants need to go back to where you belong. You need f*$king learn so manners. I would slap you right now if i'm not on probation. etc." These incidents have happened a few times before. I am sick and tired of these comments. I'm a college student and i know the importance to have an attitude of equality toward all people. That's what I offer but there are people who are making it very hard for me to keep that attitude. What makes them think that just because they are born in the U.S that they are superior to Chinese people? When it comes down to it, every single one of us is an immigrant to this country! Not just Asians! We have just as much right to be here as everyone else! We work hard if not harder for a living and this is the treatment that we get? If you are soo unhappy with us then you do you patronize our resturant?! I really don't understand these ignorant people and never want to. I pity this racist fool for she really doesn't know any better being that she's a failure herself.

[mr. x]

If it was you in that position I know it's tougher to keep your head on, but she did say she's on probation, hardly someone you should worry about getting respect from. Just hope she doesn't come back and hope the next black person who comes proves her wrong

[TB4000]

There was a comment in the paper by a black guy today concerning that woman here in Chicago that was hiding out and illegal, and he basically said "when immigrants come here, they treat us like second class citizens ironically." I think quite a few black people feel that way, which in some instances could be true, some could not be. That woman you dealt with was obviously the lower common denominator, hence the probation thing.

[yoMAMA]

but in the end,

the "man" always wins.

[peta9]

she's a straight-up lowlife. The fact is america is known to be very riffraffish and rude. They are technologically advanced but not culturally.

[peta9]

I would have to add, from my observation, americans are not better than other people, just lucky or (unlucky) to be living in america. I would say they lean on the side of unevolved or devolved. LOL!

[AngryABCGirl]

This is something that's gonna always happen in the bad areas of town. She's a woman on probation whose gonna be jealous of you have a business and is probably a failure at life.

That being said a lot of Asian business owners in ghetto areas are straight up racists, but you're clearly not one of them. Unfortunately in an area like that you can't expect much from people. The situation would probably be very different if you were serving Black clientale but in a nice neighborhood.

[didu]

I work at my parent's resturant which is located in a ghetto area of town. ...

You didn't just sign up to this board to make a complaint, did you? Honestly, since I didn't see what happened, I find it hard to take either you or the African American lady's side. I also find it a bit harsh to charge extra money when she just wanted 2 more plates for her food. Would you have charged her more if she wanted an extra spoon or pair of chopsticks?

[LaiSteve66]

Don't work in the ghetto. I used to have to serve people from the ghetto and that only lasted nine weeks.

[Moonlightkiz]

to what didu say:

As a matter of fact, I did sign up to rant, hence, this is called the rant room. Obviously, you are interested in what i have to complain about or else you wouldn't be reading this would you? As for the lady asking to put her food in four separate plates, you can't compare that to asking for a spoon or a fork. Those are necessities with all food orders which i'm sur you know. From a busines perspective, you have prices for those orders that they want to place in different bags. If people come in paying for combo prices and then expect to get their food in separate bags and pay less for what others would have paid if they were to buy it separately, why would we even bother to have combos? I'm not asking you to take sides and i'm not even asking you to post a response. This is just something that i needed to get off my chest.

[peta9]

these people are obviously not good who have responded to you or they don't know how most americans act toward others.

I had an african-american lady put feces all over the bathroom when she wasn't happy. These responders are idiots or morons.

Also, many whites look down on asians anyways. This is nothing new, there are many racist people out there. Any asian working years in america if they are honest can tell you how racist and rude and riffraffish most americans are with the general attitude they have.

To the one who said, 'it's hard to take either side'. Ha! the woman said she would 'slap her and called her a b*tch!' The fact you gave very little consideration to moonlight with such an obviously and blatant rude attack, that makes you a lowlife as well and with little social conscience.

[peta9]

That being said a lot of Asian business owners in ghetto areas are straight up racists

ABC, I hate to tell you that you are wrong but you are wrong.

Most asian business owners weren't racist when they first moved or opened businesses there. It was AFTER the fact. I know this as I"ve seen this happen as they get mistreated and looked down upon and even others try to swindle them. With whites it's usually derogatory or condescending treatment.

The other thing is asians aren't stupid enough to open businesses in areas and mistreat thier customers, it's when the customers become a hassle and problem.

As well, as one economist pointed out. The african americans if they had any sense should be happy anyone would open businesses in their part of town as MOST WILL NOT DO THAT AND SERVE THEIR NEEDS IN ANY WAY!!

[peta9]

to what didu say:

As a matter of fact, I did sign up to rant, hence, this is called the rant room. Obviously, you are interested in what i have to complain about or else you wouldn't be reading this would you? As for the lady asking to put her food in four separate plates, you can't compare that to asking for a spoon or a fork. Those are necessities with all food orders which i'm sur you know. From a busines perspective, you have prices for those orders that they want to place in different bags. If people come in paying for combo prices and then expect to get their food in separate bags and pay less for what others would have paid if they were to buy it separately, why would we even bother to have combos? I'm not asking you to take sides and i'm not even asking you to post a response. This is just something that i needed to get off my chest.

Of course you are right, and that rude lady thinks people should cowtow to her needs.

I don't order a combo meal and ask for it to be put in separate containers, That's the whole point of the combo meal. The extra charge isn't much either, the bitch just wanted something for nothing.

You would swear these people have no life experience at all.

[eos]

i did not know that you WEREN'T supposed to post in threads. *rolls eyes*

dude, if you don't want comments, write in your journal or talk to your rageholics anonymous counselor. that goes for both of you.

[kasia]

was she on crack? a lot of poor people out there have mental illnesses that are not addressed. that or she has a warped sense of entitlement.

i hope you have a sign that states that you have the right to refuse service to anyone. if any of these people appear again or similar remarks are made, maybe you can point to the sign and say, "since you were born in the united states, you should have no problem reading this sign comprised of words in your native language. leave or i'll call the police for trespass."

also, props to the moonlightkiz for not stooping to her level despite the invitation.

[kasia]

You didn't just sign up to this board to make a complaint, did you? Honestly, since I didn't see what happened, I find it hard to take either you or the African American lady's side. I also find it a bit harsh to charge extra money when she just wanted 2 more plates for her food. Would you have charged her more if she wanted an extra spoon or pair of chopsticks?

don't a lot of places do that? i get charged an extra 15 cents in the courthouse if i want an extra cup with my coffee. it happens all the time.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

I would have to add, from my observation, americans are not better than other people

yes we are

[TB4000]

Hubert knows the deal.

[kasia]

There was a comment in the paper by a black guy today concerning that woman here in Chicago that was hiding out and illegal, and he basically said "when immigrants come here, they treat us like second class citizens ironically." I think quite a few black people feel that way, which in some instances could be true, some could not be. That woman you dealt with was obviously the lower common denominator, hence the probation thing.

great. just like the media to add to the divide. have we learned nothing from the '92 riots?

[snow ninja]

should've just told the bitch to shut up and get out, "i'm not your slave and our policy to to not serve idiots."

[DaBestSpooner]

you just got to let it pass, tolerate it, and hope that your business does well enough so you can buy up all the property around the area, rent out to white hipsters and drive these ghetto savages out. It worked in Brooklyn.

[kasia]

you just got to let it pass, tolerate it, and hope that your business does well enough so you can buy up all the property around the area, rent out to white hipsters and drive these ghetto savages out. It worked in Brooklyn.

well, that's a horrible approach too, imo. there is already a huge gap between the rich and the poor that is continually growing. what good is a plan to simply drive the poor out of the homes and elsewhere?

also - not saying that bestspooner is - but let's not turn this into a race issue. the fact is that moonlightkiz came across a very rude person in her restaurant. this person is not in any way representative of black people. must we really go out of our way to consciously acknowledge that fact? it is true, however, that this person may have acted the way she did because of her background, which may have to do with her financial status which may be related to the fact that she was black. still, this does not mean that she did what she did because she was black. there is a difference between correlation and causation.

given that, it's safe to say that a lot of poor and black people are suffering in the ghetto. they are not all or even most bums. some work full-time jobs, others two or three part time jobs, but simply don't make that much. i know health care technicians that earn less than $20,000 a year. AND have kids to support. and the ghetto is the only place where they can find (barely) affordable housing.

i just think it's cruel to joke about their situation or speak about it in a nonchalant way - even if you dont' really mean it.

[DaBestSpooner]

it is true, however, that this person may have acted the way she did because of her background,.

well her background is black, right?

[didu]

As for the lady asking to put her food in four separate plates, you can't compare that to asking for a spoon or a fork. Those are necessities with all food orders which i'm sur you know.

I'd consider plates and bowls to be necessities too. If the lady was eating in, I see very little extra cost in giving her an extra plate. If the lady was taking out, I see very little extra cost in giving her an extra disposable plate -- which costs next to nothing.


From a busines perspective, you have prices for those orders that they want to place in different bags. If people come in paying for combo prices and then expect to get their food in separate bags and pay less for what others would have paid if they were to buy it separately, why would we even bother to have combos?

From a business perspective, one of your priorities should be keeping your customers happy and minimize the chance of having potentially violent incidents like yours. Therefore, I'd think it'd be wise to give them an extra disposable plate or two, which cost next to nothing anyway, to keep them happy.


I'm not asking you to take sides and i'm not even asking you to post a response. This is just something that i needed to get off my chest.

A forum is a place for communications, if you are not interested in other people's comments, I'd suggest that you setup your own website or blog to publicize your displeasures.


don't a lot of places do that? i get charged an extra 15 cents in the courthouse if i want an extra cup with my coffee. it happens all the time.


I never noticed them doing it here in Australia, and I thought it was a rip-off when the restaurants did this to me in Europe. It may happen all the time, but it doesn't mean everyone has to accept it.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

^ Extra charges tacked on here and there can be annoying, but I don't really see how this justifies rude comments telling people to go back to their own countries. Do I get to go all out when I'm a little miffed that I'm not going to be getting free tap water at the local Taco Bell? The two faults (rude and offensive expression of ignorance vs. miscellaneous charges) are completely incomparable here. You don't like the extra charge? Don't go there to eat.

[BeTheReds]

You could have just given her the extra plates in the first place.

On a similar anecdote, back at my old job which was in the Ghettoest part of Baltimore, there was a Chinese restaurant that always had at least a dozen Black dudes lounging around in front of it. I used to go there for lunch sometimes because it was so cheap. I think the Shrimp with broccoli combo (with fried rice) was like $2.95 and this was in 2005!!!!

The first time I went in, the lady who worked there was like.. No, we paid you guys last week! And I said.. uh, I just want some food. Then she's like.. oh, you're not from the bank? And I said.. no, I just want to get some food.

She goes "But... you're not Black...." hahahaha

[Moonlightkiz]

ABC, I hate to tell you that you are wrong but you are wrong.

Most asian business owners weren't racist when they first moved or opened businesses there. It was AFTER the fact. I know this as I"ve seen this happen as they get mistreated and looked down upon and even others try to swindle them. With whites it's usually derogatory or condescending treatment.

The other thing is asians aren't stupid enough to open businesses in areas and mistreat thier customers, it's when the customers become a hassle and problem.

As well, as one economist pointed out. The african americans if they had any sense should be happy anyone would open businesses in their part of town as MOST WILL NOT DO THAT AND SERVE THEIR NEEDS IN ANY WAY!!

Thank you! I couldn't have said it better!

[n3bulous]

Even black-owned businesses have problems in the hood. I sho am hungry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7n7pr5hsrg

[peta9]

yes we are

You as a human being is not any worthier than others who happen to live in other countries. If you think otherwise, I pity your soul.

It's an unevolved and unenlightened thinking like this that causes war.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XmZHa308ai8

[snow ninja]

Even black-owned businesses have problems in the hood. I sho am hungry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7n7pr5hsrg


bahaa,that "im gonna get you sucka" movie is classic and i didn't even know it was chris rock buyin that rib until now..

[Napoleon Chynamite]

You as a human being is not any worthier than others who happen to live in other countries. If you think otherwise, I pity your soul.

It's an unevolved and unenlightened thinking like this that causes war.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XmZHa308ai8

I pity you if you're not American.

In all seriousness, I found it amusing that you inserted "from my observation" before arriving at the conclusion that Americans are not any better than anyone else. Some things don't really need to be researched.

[AngryABCGirl]

ABC, I hate to tell you that you are wrong but you are wrong.

Most asian business owners weren't racist when they first moved or opened businesses there. It was AFTER the fact. I know this as I"ve seen this happen as they get mistreated and looked down upon and even others try to swindle them. With whites it's usually derogatory or condescending treatment.

The other thing is asians aren't stupid enough to open businesses in areas and mistreat thier customers, it's when the customers become a hassle and problem.

As well, as one economist pointed out. The african americans if they had any sense should be happy anyone would open businesses in their part of town as MOST WILL NOT DO THAT AND SERVE THEIR NEEDS IN ANY WAY!!


Hey I'd hate to tell you I've seen the exact opposite too. But not saying all Asian business owners are racist by any means, I've seen the far opposite in many cases. In fact I've spent my life at Chinese businesses treating non Chinese people like scum, and the dark-skinned ones far worse on both sides of the Pacific. In any case though it's not worth arguing over because there are plenty of bad examples on both sides.

If anything I'm sure a lot of African Americans would want to open up more businesses, but they're the ones least likely to qualify for the loans to open on a business in their own neighborhoods.

In any case though, it's really up to the shopowner and how he/she wants to run the restaurant. If you don't like the extra charges, don't be a baby and go somewhere else. If that hurts the business then there you go, but most people will see if as reasonable. And unfortunately running a business in an area with poor clientale just isn't easy. I feel sorry for a lot of the South Asian business owners who own motels and convenience stores in the South and get yelled at by very similar rednecks all the time too.

[peta9]

I pity you if you're not American.

In all seriousness, I found it amusing that you inserted "from my observation" before arriving at the conclusion that Americans are not any better than anyone else. Some things don't really need to be researched.

You are being disingenuous. Americans even "from my observation" are not smarter, have higher iqs, more morals, etc. besides and as well as being a human being.


Would you like to try again? Terrible thing to be dishonest.

[peta9]

I pity you if you're not American.

In all seriousness, I found it amusing that you inserted "from my observation" before arriving at the conclusion that Americans are not any better than anyone else. Some things don't really need to be researched.


Ooh, this is very interesting stupidamite. How does being "american" make you special or more important or worthy than someone else's life on another soil?

Because you reek of it, it's usual and typical and completely erroneous. It's contrived and artificial. If you like where you live and you enjoy the benefits of it, then that is one thing. Beyond that, any other ego-connected identification is arbitrary, dishonest and false. And how does the people who came before you and set up the groundwork from which you are able to leap off of have anything to do with you or any other individual? They don't, only individuals can claim that and it's false to do otherwise. But it's accepted to promote unity though thinking individuals know the real truth and you should never lose sight of the truth. Keeps things in perspective and you honestly humble.

No different than the woman who took the supremacist stance of telling that woman to go back to where she came from because she believed she was simply "better" due to simply taking on the success of a country currently from which she may have not contributed at all in the positive or made a difference. This is typical egoistic thinking.

As far as other people, they also could be in yours or anyone else's shoes in america and claim the same "we are better, therefore i am better" bullshit. Because however you dissect it, it's motivation is inherently wrong. And if you want to even get more honest, not all success was the outcome of morality or without exploitation or contributions from outside an artificial and conceptual distinction such as 'my' country versus yours as sweat shops and people in other countries also are working to contributing to your success and welfare as well. So the credit goes to them as well.

You've got a lot to learn, like having some real integrity.

[n3bulous]

peta9,

Calm down, look up to the sky, try squinting real real hard, and you might be able to see Napo's posts flying completely over your head. :)

[peta9]

peta9,

Calm down, look up to the sky, try squinting real real hard, and you might be able to see Napo's posts flying completely over your head. :)

No dear, he is changing his tune to pretend he meant something otherwise. It's a common tactic, didn't you know?

In either case, he made the mistake of replying "yes we are" and it's good fodder for my point.

Thank you stupidamite.

[peta9]

yes we are

thanks for your stupidity

[peta9]

Re: America's fear of china

chynamite: Damn Chinese buying up all our technology with their grubby yellow hands.

Even if this was in jest, it doesn't matter.

Posts like this and the style of his replies, though not in all cases, is a dead giveaway. It's often subconscious for someone to adopt the nationalism, to some extent, of thier adopted country.

The way I worded my post was emphatic and most people do not make blatant challenges about the american's citizens general superiority and that is why he quickly rebutted 'yes we are' as an automatic reaction because most people do believe this as well as those who are happy being americans. His later replies were basically an apologetic turning of the tables whilst citing a triviality to mask his original mistake by focusing on 'my observation' citing human worth.

He's someone who sits on the fence though there is nothing inherently wrong with it but he's the usual type to identify with americanism yet still want to be pro-asian. A multiculturalist usually leans toward american dominance and they are usually christian. When it appears they are being challenged as either appearing to be less loyal to thier ethnicity, they change their tune.

[monkeygone2]

^can a newbie vent about a bad night @ work w/out you turning into another one of your irrational, speedfreak rants about how much you hate my country?

Chynamite's "yes we are" was obviously a joke. unless you're on speed.
you can be proud to be an american w/out denying the problems w/ equality, etc.
it doesn't have to be a 'love it or leave it' mindset; for me it's 'love it & fix it'. that's why most of us are on yw.

[snailpoo]

You as a human being is not any worthier than others who happen to live in other countries. If you think otherwise, I pity your soul.

It's an unevolved and unenlightened thinking like this that causes war.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XmZHa308ai8

Erm...

I would have to add, from my observation, americans are not better than other people, just lucky or (unlucky) to be living in america. I would say they lean on the side of unevolved or devolved. LOL!


Pot, Kettle is holding for you on line two --something about irony.

[didu]

^ Extra charges tacked on here and there can be annoying, but I don't really see how this justifies rude comments telling people to go back to their own countries.

I never said that being charged for worthless things gives one the right to insult others. I was only saying that in the interest of the restaurant owners, it might have been a better idea to be a bit flexible for charging extras, especially given the environment in which they are operating.


Do I get to go all out when I'm a little miffed that I'm not going to be getting free tap water at the local Taco Bell? The two faults (rude and offensive expression of ignorance vs. miscellaneous charges) are completely incomparable here. You don't like the extra charge? Don't go there to eat.

We've been boycotting a local pizza shop (a rather good one actually) because they refused to give us free tap water, and we didn't get rude at them at any time.

People tend to do and say stupid things when they argue or feel mistreated/ripped off. If you cannot deal with unreasonable or hot tempered people, don't work in the service industry.

[kasia]

You as a human being is not any worthier than others who happen to live in other countries. If you think otherwise, I pity your soul.

It's an unevolved and unenlightened thinking like this that causes war.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XmZHa308ai8

jesus christ. learn to read sarcasm. so we don't have to have a thread flooded with petty responses.

[kasia]

People tend to do and say stupid things when they argue or feel mistreated/ripped off. If you cannot deal with unreasonable or hot tempered people, don't work in the service industry.

i can agree with most of that, but since when does good service include tolerating "go back to your country" comments?

[eos]

SOMEone has multiple personality disorder.

i like the one who spells correctly and uses proper grammar the best. peta9, could you let THAT dude come out and play from now on? kthnxBYE~

[SunWuKong]

make enough money, get the hell out of there, and open a location in the white suburb. it's a safer environment and you can probably make more money. a neighborhood full of shit-heads don't deserve anything nice in their neighborhood.

[peta9]

You people are idiots.

He replied that he did think americans are better and YOU people don't get it.

Anyone can claim they didn't mean something or turn the meaning after the fact.

Most americans do think they are better.

And to akane--you could say the chynamite character has mulitple personality due to his evasive response on this thread and the usual backpedaling.

kasia--i find your moderating hypocritical and STUPID. petty responses?? chynamite could have just left it alone as i made a valid point but he was offended THAT'S ALL and the reason why he retorted with this lame response.

snailpoo--it's the simple difference between state of a person or culture and thier inherent potential as a human being.

TRy to grasp the concept and distinction of everyone is different but have human rights and potential. All cultures can improve and some individuals or groups are less evolved or even end up devolving, doesn't mean they are less worthy of life. Calling an alcoholic an alcoholic or a lazy person lazy doesn't mean you are saying a ceo is inherently more worthy as a human being.


You people are as dumb as bricks--i'm outie as I thought this was an intelligent forum.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

You people are idiots.

He replied that he did think americans are better and YOU people don't get it.

Anyone can claim they didn't mean something or turn the meaning after the fact.

Most americans do think they are better.

And to akane--you could say the chynamite character has mulitple personality due to his evasive response on this thread and the usual backpedaling.

kasia--i find your moderating hypocritical and STUPID. petty responses?? chynamite could have just left it alone as i made a valid point but he was offended THAT'S ALL and the reason why he retorted with this lame response.

snailpoo--it's the simple difference between state of a person or culture and thier inherent potential as a human being.

TRy to grasp the concept and distinction of everyone is different but have human rights and potential. All cultures can improve and some individuals or groups are less evolved or even end up devolving, doesn't mean they are less worthy of life. Calling an alcoholic an alcoholic or a lazy person lazy doesn't mean you are saying a ceo is inherently more worthy as a human being.


You people are as dumb as bricks--i'm outie as I thought this was an intelligent forum.

meds are your friend =)

[Napoleon Chynamite]

People tend to do and say stupid things when they argue or feel mistreated/ripped off. If you cannot deal with unreasonable or hot tempered people, don't work in the service industry.

Oh ok. Please forgive me then when I make those racist jabs whenever a Hispanic or black person tells me that extra cheese is going to be an extra 50 cents. If they can't handle that, they should quit. Seriously, I'm not sure exactly how this is supposed to be even remotely similar to not going to a business if you think their rates are too high or unfair.

Give me a break. I work in the service industry, and I really don't care what people say about how "reality" is, nobody has a right to act like an asshole or bitch just because that's "how it is". Nothing justifies it. And this isn't even to the point of them making racist or prejudicial comments; even if they're just being rude or huffy. We all have bad days and problems in our lives, I can understand why people take things out on others but that doesn't mean we have to condone it. As for dealing with people like this, thankfully it's not too bad b/c 99% of customers that come in are fairly polite and friendly.

[eos]

answering phones, working the desks, etc., i can't tell you how many times i've had to deal with assholes and bitches who think they can heap abuse on me. i've never yelled back at anyone, just talked calmly to them and tried to defuse the bomb. long gone are the days of "the customer is always right." fuck that noise. some people feel wrongly entitled and sometimes you have to put them in their fucking place. i just thank god these asstards are rare and if they don't come back, who cares? i have a hundred more people who DON'T act like overgrown brats.

[cloudzero]

peta9, look at this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SvuQfr25kI

[didu]

i can agree with most of that, but since when does good service include tolerating "go back to your country" comments?

Where did I say it did? I only meant that good service includes the ability and flexibility to avoid potentially dangerous and avoidable situations.

[didu]

Oh ok. Please forgive me then when I make those racist jabs whenever a Hispanic or black person tells me that extra cheese is going to be an extra 50 cents. If they can't handle that, they should quit.

You go ahead and do that.


Seriously, I'm not sure exactly how this is supposed to be even remotely similar to not going to a business if you think their rates are too high or unfair.

FFS, when did I say overpricing goods and services is an invitation for abuse?


Give me a break. I work in the service industry, and I really don't care what people say about how "reality" is, nobody has a right to act like an asshole or bitch just because that's "how it is". Nothing justifies it.

Sure, in "reality", nothing can justify abuse, murders, racism, or whatever fucktard behaviors you can think of. But guess what, the things that cannot be justified take place all the time. I know you don't want to put up with them and you shouldn't have to, but what are you gonna do when they happen to you? Are you really gonna fight them head on every time? Or are you gonna learn to ignore it some times so that you won't be in fights every day? Do you honestly believe a restaurant in a poor neightbourhood can stay open long when the waiters fight with the customers every day over things worth less than 5 cents?


And this isn't even to the point of them making racist or prejudicial comments; even if they're just being rude or huffy. We all have bad days and problems in our lives, I can understand why people take things out on others but that doesn't mean we have to condone it. As for dealing with people like this, thankfully it's not too bad b/c 99% of customers that come in are fairly polite and friendly.

FFs, when did i condone rude behavior? All I said was that rude customers were unavoidable to people in service industry, so that it's in their interest to learn to deal with it without escalating the situation.

[popculturepooka]

ABC, I hate to tell you that you are wrong but you are wrong.

Most asian business owners weren't racist when they first moved or opened businesses there. It was AFTER the fact. I know this as I"ve seen this happen as they get mistreated and looked down upon and even others try to swindle them. With whites it's usually derogatory or condescending treatment.

The other thing is asians aren't stupid enough to open businesses in areas and mistreat thier customers, it's when the customers become a hassle and problem.

As well, as one economist pointed out. The african americans if they had any sense should be happy anyone would open businesses in their part of town as MOST WILL NOT DO THAT AND SERVE THEIR NEEDS IN ANY WAY!!

So, tell me, how do you know all of this again?
Oh that's right...you don't.
You're so mis-informed I just have to laugh.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

You go ahead and do that.



FFS, when did I say overpricing goods and services is an invitation for abuse?



Sure, in "reality", nothing can justify abuse, murders, racism, or whatever fucktard behaviors you can think of. But guess what, the things that cannot be justified take place all the time. I know you don't want to put up with them and you shouldn't have to, but what are you gonna do when they happen to you? Are you really gonna fight them head on every time? Or are you gonna learn to ignore it some times so that you won't be in fights every day? Do you honestly believe a restaurant in a poor neightbourhood can stay open long when the waiters fight with the customers every day over things worth less than 5 cents?



FFs, when did i condone rude behavior? All I said was that rude customers were unavoidable to people in service industry, so that it's in their interest to learn to deal with it without escalating the situation.

When all is said and done, the bottom line is, there's much more of a reason to complain about the customer's rude and offensive remarks than there is about an extra charge with the plates. While the original poster might have gone a bit overboard in his enthusiasm, I'm not sure it's quite fair to redirect criticism at him for failing to understand her situation or asking for extra money (furthermore since the extra charge was probably not from a rule he made in the first place). That was my whole point. Annoying charges for extra plates vs. racist behavior. Can't compare them. Period. Unless somehow we're talking about him charging her extra because he didn't like black people. Of course it goes without saying that if we all could just "understand each other" a bit more, the world would be a better place. That's something that doesn't just apply to the service industry.

[didu]

When all is said and done, the bottom line is, there's much more of a reason to complain about the customer's rude and offensive remarks than there is about an extra charge with the plates.

When all is said and done, the bottom line is not gonna be who's right and who's wrong, it's gonna be whether someone would be beaten up or killed because of a few cents. You can complain whatever you want about racist behaviors or offensive remarks, and you'd be justified to do so, but the reality is that the OP still has to work in a Chinese restaurant in a poor neighborhood, and he needs to either get a better job, or learn to avoid getting into dangerous confrontations with bad customers.


Annoying charges for extra plates vs. racist behavior. Can't compare them. Period. Unless somehow we're talking about him charging her extra because he didn't like black people. Of course it goes without saying that if we all could just "understand each other" a bit more, the world would be a better place. That's something that doesn't just apply to the service industry.

I made no assumption about whether the OP had a problem with black people, nor did I say it was justified for black people to hurl rude remarks at the OP for whatever reason. All I said was that it was in the OP's interest to be more flexible about his job and avoid getting into dangerous situations like the one he described. You wouldn't want him to be shot dead or stabbed because he refused to give give some one an extra plate, would you?

[peta9]

So, tell me, how do you know all of this again?
Oh that's right...you don't.
You're so mis-informed I just have to laugh.

yelloworld= dumb asians who think they are more informed because they think political correctness is a fact.

Stupid forum of yello tard ugly asians. I have to laugh at this 'mis-informed I just have to laugh' when i probably have more real-life experience than you do as well as the fact you lack common sense.

i have to laugh at this forum of old well-trained monkeys by western pc.

yelloworld scum is so dumb it's embarassing. Is this a forum of older asians?? LOL.

Uh, just to point out where you've completely missed the point. It's not about what someone thinks of another or their opinions (racism?) but how they treat others and it's a fucking fact that most americans and african americans have at least in the past and in general are more rude and harder to deal with. Wake the fuck up. Dumbasses.

[eos]

someone ban this jerkoff already.

[AngryABCGirl]

yelloworld= dumb asians who think they are more informed because they think political correctness is a fact.

Stupid forum of yello tard ugly asians. I have to laugh at this 'mis-informed I just have to laugh' when i probably have more real-life experience than you do as well as the fact you lack common sense.

i have to laugh at this forum of old well-trained monkeys by western pc.

yelloworld scum is so dumb it's embarassing. Is this a forum of older asians?? LOL.

Uh, just to point out where you've completely missed the point. It's not about what someone thinks of another or their opinions (racism?) but how they treat others and it's a fucking fact that most americans and african americans have at least in the past and in general are more rude and harder to deal with. Wake the fuck up. Dumbasses.

Older probably means wiser. Anyway, another peep and hitting the ban hammer on you. Why do you hate Americans so much anyways, yet you are posting to a board of mostly Americans?

[artsfartsyjanet]

You could have just given her the extra plates in the first place.

On a similar anecdote, back at my old job which was in the Ghettoest part of Baltimore, there was a Chinese restaurant that always had at least a dozen Black dudes lounging around in front of it. I used to go there for lunch sometimes because it was so cheap. I think the Shrimp with broccoli combo (with fried rice) was like $2.95 and this was in 2005!!!!

The first time I went in, the lady who worked there was like.. No, we paid you guys last week! And I said.. uh, I just want some food. Then she's like.. oh, you're not from the bank? And I said.. no, I just want to get some food.

She goes "But... you're not Black...." hahahaha

hahahahahaah

[artsfartsyjanet]

ok, i'll try to be more proactive here. So get ready for my long-winded response.

Well, almost 30 years ago, my parents opened a fast food chinese restaurant in a not-so-nice / not so PC kind of community. There were many factors that led them to open a restaurant here in St. Louis-- demand, location, affordability, skill level, and circumstance. The U.S. granted my family asylum for coming over here during the Vietnam War, but they basically only had a high school education (in Vietnam) so coming here was more a matter of survival. I grew up in this kind of history in my family background cuppled by childhood/adolescent experiences growing up in a Chinese restaurant in a rougher area. When I say rougher... it's not the ghetto, which is a lot worse than having a restaurant in the County.... or suburbs. The suburban community where the restaurant operated was predominantly working, middle class. Lots of gas stations, nail salons, laundromats, small businesses, and fast food places. Not too many affluent people as our clientele. I've had my fair share of racist comments and horrible treatment. My parents aren't that PC either and charge a miniscule amount for extra plates or excessive amounts of sauce for food. Personally, I found that annoying but I don't call the shots. Many times, when my parents aren't aware, I just give people the sauces and the plates without charging them. Growing up, I told myself a long long time ago that I need to get myself OUT of this shithole. Education was my key, but having the money/finances to get myself out was also apart of that equation. It is NOT easy, but it's possible. I don't really tolerate shitty comments like "go back to china" or generalizations like "all of you (chinese) people are this and that...." I don't dismiss these statements or accept them as just apart of the white noise that I have to put up with. There's a difference between tolerance and degradation. I can tolerate trivial comments when people whine about stupid things that don't really have a big impact on me, but if a customer degrades me with racial remarks or belittle me in some way, I will undoubtedly refuse service. I've done it before and it feels damn good. I'll call the cops too to get these people out of my hair. It isn't just Blacks. White people have given me and my family the same mistreatment/racial comments as well. Growing up in this environment certainly exposes me to the ugliness the United States has to offer. All i Have to say is that adversity will try to bring you down, but what matters is how you overcome them. Don't let someone else's ignorance discolor your outlook on certain people or your outlook on life. Try to find ways to get out of that environment though. I've been removed from the restaurant business for almost 10 years now, but my parents still endured for the 10 years I've been gone since I went to undergrad, grad school, and worked with various employers. Case in point. Just get out of there but realize that the ignorance you've encountered are by people who've been through or still going through a lot of shit in their own lives and are just taking their displaced anger/hatred out on the wrong people.

In terms of what is business sense is not defined well in this forum. And yes, business sense is not the same for every business owner. Some define it in terms of dollars and cents, others define business sense in terms of the quality of customer service. The truth is that if you lose a customer, it costs more to attract and retain another one. Of course, the dynamics are different between small and big businesses. Socially, in a big business, there are departments that research and figure out ways to attract and keep their customers. In a small business, each person that works there is like a one-man band. Now for a family business, it's a one-man band in a room of family members who are a one-man band. It's more complicated. That woman with the ignorant comments is probably not worth a customer keeping anyway. So whether or not you charge her for plates/boxes/or whatever, it is a negligeable difference to your business' bottom line because I doubt that most of the customers are not as rude as her. Charging for plates and whatever is the restaurant owners' business decision, but did it ever occur to try to give those items for free up to a certain limit as a means of increasing the restaurants' net operating profits? You have to spend money to make money right? Just my two cents.

[Moonlightkiz]

Thank you artsfartsyjanet. Your comments make sense. I think what is being misconstrued here is that we don't charge for plates. We give those out for free. The whole point of this is that the customer was trying to paid a lower price while wanting her orders to be specially packaged in a certain way. But nevermind the details. Buttom-line is we don't welcome people like her anyways. Like you said, she's not worth keeping as a customer.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

yelloworld= dumb asians who think they are more informed because they think political correctness is a fact.

Stupid forum of yello tard ugly asians. I have to laugh at this 'mis-informed I just have to laugh' when i probably have more real-life experience than you do as well as the fact you lack common sense.

i have to laugh at this forum of old well-trained monkeys by western pc.

yelloworld scum is so dumb it's embarassing. Is this a forum of older asians?? LOL.

Uh, just to point out where you've completely missed the point. It's not about what someone thinks of another or their opinions (racism?) but how they treat others and it's a fucking fact that most americans and african americans have at least in the past and in general are more rude and harder to deal with. Wake the fuck up. Dumbasses.

If it makes you feel any better, Americans don't always have it that easy either. As the cream of the crop, we often are burdened with the obligation and responsibility of educating and civilizing the rest of the world. Being naturally superior isn't always a good thing, hehe.

[snailpoo]

snailpoo--it's the simple difference between state of a person or culture and thier inherent potential as a human being.
:biggrin: Really? I like how you quibble about such differences only when it suits you, and completely ignore it while you rant:

No different than the woman who took the supremacist stance of telling that woman to go back to where she came from because she believed she was simply "better" due to simply taking on the success of a country currently from which she may have not contributed at all in the positive or made a difference. This is typical egoistic thinking.

Funny you should mention "egoistic thinking:"
yelloworld= dumb asians who think they are more informed because they think political correctness is a fact.

Stupid forum of yello tard ugly asians. I have to laugh at this 'mis-informed I just have to laugh' when i probably have more real-life experience than you do as well as the fact you lack common sense.

i have to laugh at this forum of old well-trained monkeys by western pc.




Oh, and you may want to look into a few Sarcasm as a Second Language classes. They might save you from your impending aneurism.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

^ Let's not be so harsh now. We should lower the bar a little bit in terms of debating competency. I'd say for someone who isn't American, Peta isn't doing bad.

[eos]

he doesn't JUST hate americans, guys. NOW he hates us "yello tard ugly asians" who are puppets of the western pc machine. yay us!

[SunWuKong]

peta9 - no more attacks and insults. consider this a warning.

[mr. x]

geeze total kenneth eng, he hates blacks, whites and asians. he's a self-supremacist

[DragonKnight]

geeze total kenneth eng, he hates blacks, whites and asians. he's a self-supremacist
Sad...so much hate. Someone give him a hug. :biggrin:

[Adaon]

Sad...so much hate. Someone give him a hug. :biggrin:

I wouldn't hug him. He looks like the rabid type that doesn't read into things much. Or maybe he reads into these things too much. I'm not wasting anymore mental effort trying to come up with some witty repartee, as he'd probably miss the point like he has so far.

Moonlightkiz, I feel for you. Some days people roll out of bed and decide to be assholes. Such is life, but it won't get better as long as you have to deal with people, especially in a place where you have to be in contact with varying people all the time.

Just try and take it in stride, and don't stoop down to anyone else about such things. They'd probably beat you when you do stuff like that, not because they're more intelligent than you are, but just more experienced at being so low.

Keeping in mind that we're all creations of the situations in our lives (both the ones we can control and the ones we think we can't), it's just sad this particular woman didn't learn acceptance and respect while dealing with people who would be handling her food. NEVER MESS WITH SOMEONE HANDLING YOUR GRUB. You bring your own karma then, which is your own fault. =P If it's a something simple, then I would go ahead. If they messed up my order, then I'd say something. If it's something trivial, I'd take my food and just go.

[ahsingjai]

Living in Oakland, I guess I've seen my fair share of these cases. I remember texting on my phone when this black guy blushes across, close to running into me yelling "Chalked". A phrase I don't know if any of you know, but it means jacked. He didn't take my phone but intensionally saying that to promote his superiority complex. My friend was at the ATM located outside of a plaza in Oakland Chinatown, busy punching buttons while I confronted the guy.

"Wussup? What did you say, I didn't hear it."
"I didn't say wussup, I said something else."
"Yeah I said wussup, and what was that something else?"
blah blah blah blah blah back and forth until we got in to it what could of been a daylight fight in a busy street blocks away from a police station.

He walked away cussing at every asian lady with groceries in his path because he didn't want to risk a confrontation with cops observing a block away. Thank god for the increasing asian census in the police force. But I yelled at him for thinking he could walk around with that kind of attitude, thinking Asians are naturally scared of black people because of their stereotypes.

Normally, I would shrug it off. I guess I was in a bad mood at that moment. I don't remember what, but usually I wouldn't be so bold to confront a guy that is two times bigger then me, face to face. Unnerving, but I guess we should have a never die kind of mentality in situations where we should of taken initiative.

[TB4000]

I don't think people like to start physical altercations in public for the most part, as they know too many witnesses are around.

[kasia]

Living in Oakland, I guess I've seen my fair share of these cases. I remember texting on my phone when this black guy blushes across, close to running into me yelling "Chalked". A phrase I don't know if any of you know, but it means jacked. He didn't take my phone but intensionally saying that to promote his superiority complex. My friend was at the ATM located outside of a plaza in Oakland Chinatown, busy punching buttons while I confronted the guy.

"Wussup? What did you say, I didn't hear it."
"I didn't say wussup, I said something else."
"Yeah I said wussup, and what was that something else?"
blah blah blah blah blah back and forth until we got in to it what could of been a daylight fight in a busy street blocks away from a police station.

He walked away cussing at every asian lady with groceries in his path because he didn't want to risk a confrontation with cops observing a block away. Thank god for the increasing asian census in the police force. But I yelled at him for thinking he could walk around with that kind of attitude, thinking Asians are naturally scared of black people because of their stereotypes.

Normally, I would shrug it off. I guess I was in a bad mood at that moment. I don't remember what, but usually I wouldn't be so bold to confront a guy that is two times bigger then me, face to face. Unnerving, but I guess we should have a never die kind of mentality in situations where we should of taken initiative.


in front of renaissance plaza, right? i've noticed the same hostility from some black homeless guys around there - which shocked me because homeless people from the bay area are generally less violent and more friendly than the homeless people in los angeles.

[artsfartsyjanet]

In Miami, all of the homeless people i've seen after i exit a highway are nonviolent. One bows every 5 seconds. All of them have a sign. Another one has both legs amputated riding up and down with his wheel chair. Some of them read scripture or sing psalms. Once a month, there's a group of volunteers with bright yellow shirts who stand out there collecting donations too for the homeless.

[ahsingjai]

in front of renaissance plaza, right? i've noticed the same hostility from some black homeless guys around there - which shocked me because homeless people from the bay area are generally less violent and more friendly than the homeless people in los angeles.

It's right next to west oakland that's why. A lot of project housing there. And expansions are pushing a lot of Black businesses more northwest.

One good example is a popular karaoke place where asians go to, and a black club across the street. Having both places close at the same time, both drunk parties may mean trouble sometimes.

[USCTrojanzNo1]

I've experienced some hostility from black people before. One time, I was stopped for a traffic violation and this black cop definitely made snide, albeit sutble, remarks about my race. He basically claims that all "Orientals" (his term, not mine) were rich snobs who thought they were above the law and could get away with it. He made these remarks while he was gleefully and fastidiously writing my ticket for a relatively minor traffic violation. It's as if the black cop was "excited" that he caught an "Oriental" breaking the law (probably because while blacks break the law almost by the minute, Asians only get caught breaking the law once in a full moon so it's kinda a "big deal" when we hear about Asians breaking the law).

However, it goes the other way as well. Asians can be hostile towards blacks. A lot of it has to do with Asians either having a superiority complex or simply taking out their frustrations on blacks. Many times Asians feel like they still get disrespected despite having high academic achievement or professional success. Meanwhile, they see those "inferior" blacks getting ahead in life or being socially accepted by Caucasians despite not having a formal education or an impressive work resume. Because of this cognitive dissonance to the Asians, they often lash out at the blacks.

[nameless]

(probably because while blacks break the law almost by the minute, Asians only get caught breaking the law once in a full moon so it's kinda a "big deal" when we hear about Asians breaking the law).

hence, why we really are a model minority.

yay us!

[vital]

Meet a black person in France, Germany, England, or any European country and you'll realize the blacks are pretty nice people. Blacks in the US are 10x more rude compared to the blacks in Europe.

[applehead]

well, i think it has been said that in general
americans are ruder than Europeans.

blacks are rude here?
new asian immigrants are much ruder.

[TB4000]

I think you can get your point across sans the "black statistics" commentary. Anytime someone decides to use stats in debating racial demographics they always must justify it with "I'm not racist, but..."

[popculturepooka]

However, it goes the other way as well. Asians can be hostile towards blacks. A lot of it has to do with Asians either having a superiority complex or simply taking out their frustrations on blacks. Many times Asians feel like they still get disrespected despite having high academic achievement or professional success. Meanwhile, they see those "inferior" blacks getting ahead in life or being socially accepted by Caucasians despite not having a formal education or an impressive work resume. Because of this cognitive dissonance to the Asians, they often lash out at the blacks.


It's funny how different races look at thing. Blacks usually look at the Asians as getting socially accepted by Caucasians and that Asians are well....brown nosers.

If you asked the average black whether the get "accepted" by Caucasians mroe than Asians I can bet the answer would be no. They actually feel like they are on the lowest rung of social acceptance with Caucasians...

Sorry for your ordeal anyways. I wish people would jsut get over themselves.

[Adaon]

Asians can be hostile towards blacks. A lot of it has to do with Asians either having a superiority complex or simply taking out their frustrations on blacks. Many times Asians feel like they still get disrespected despite having high academic achievement or professional success. Meanwhile, they see those "inferior" blacks getting ahead in life or being socially accepted by Caucasians despite not having a formal education or an impressive work resume. Because of this cognitive dissonance to the Asians, they often lash out at the blacks.

As this is a huge general blanket statement, it's gonna go along with a huge grain of salt. I personally think anyone can be hostile to anyone else for any reason, but, specifically, the whole issue of inferiority vs superiority etc. just shows to prove the biased thinking that almost everyone has.

[buttermilkwise]

It's funny how different races look at thing. Blacks usually look at the Asians as getting socially accepted by Caucasians and that Asians are well....brown nosers.


If you are talking about media portrayals of asians that's pretty true, in most cases the difference here being the message that asian women are socially accepted, where as the asian men are.... uh nowhere to be found.

Yeah it's Bullshit colonialism, but in a way i'm very grateful this isn't the middle ages in the middle east, where women and children of a particular tribe are sold off as slaves, and all the men are executed by decapitation.

Things aren't perfect but they are sure a hell of a lot better than they were before.

[bryan4418]

I work at my parent's resturant which is located in a ghetto area of town. Tonight, an African American walked in and placed an order. When the order was ready she wanted her two meals to be put in 4 different plates. I told her that we cannot do that unless she is willing to pay a little extra. She then called me a b#%ch. I immediately told her that she can have her money back but she continued to go on saying very ignorant and mean comments such as "You immigrants need to go back to where you belong. You need f*$king learn so manners. I would slap you right now if i'm not on probation. etc." These incidents have happened a few times before. I am sick and tired of these comments. I'm a college student and i know the importance to have an attitude of equality toward all people. That's what I offer but there are people who are making it very hard for me to keep that attitude. What makes them think that just because they are born in the U.S that they are superior to Chinese people? When it comes down to it, every single one of us is an immigrant to this country! Not just Asians! We have just as much right to be here as everyone else! We work hard if not harder for a living and this is the treatment that we get? If you are soo unhappy with us then you do you patronize our resturant?! I really don't understand these ignorant people and never want to. I pity this racist fool for she really doesn't know any better being that she's a failure herself.

Racism by blacks against Asians is common unfortunately.

We need to stand up, and be heard through the various AA organizations.

[minique]

No time to mind some uneducated knigga.

[eos]

what's a k-nigga?

[tripostrophe]

No time to mind some uneducated knigga.

woof. watch it there. i'm hoping you don't view Blacks like this universally; at the same time, the word has a lot of power (especially coming from you if you're not Black), and you shouldn't be tossing it around like that.

[SunWuKong]

no, seriously, what's a "knigga"?

[minique]

When you hear the black person refer to another black person as "knigga", it is usually not a racist term. But when a non-black use this term, it is considered derogatory. The fact is that this kind of term is universally viewed as unacceptable, but it is still acceptable to many many people to whom this term addresses. It is just like the way many of us still address ourselves as "Oriental", "Mongoloid", or "yellow", blabla.. though we oppose non-Asians state those.

[SunWuKong]

When you hear the black person refer to another black person as "knigga", it is usually not a racist term. But when a non-black use this term, it is considered derogatory. The fact is that this kind of term is universally viewed as unacceptable, but it is still acceptable to many many people to whom this term addresses. It is just like the way many of us still address ourselves as "Oriental", "Mongoloid", or "yellow", blabla.. though we oppose non-Asians state those.

are you talking about "nigga" or "knigga"? i'm confused.

[nameless]

i think he's just confused on the spelling. he thinks nigga is the original insult and knigga is the slang. i could be wrong, but i wouldn't put it past him lol.

[kimpossible]

I think it was a tactic to get around language filters we don't have but other boards do.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

I think it's also like Mortal Kombat where it's kool to misspell things ^^
Plus MK was awesome back in the day even though it's ass now.

[SunWuKong]

I think it's also like Mortal Kombat where it's kool to misspell things ^^
Plus MK was awesome back in the day even though it's ass now.

oh. i feel so old.

[eos]

no SERIOUSLY, who still uses mongoloid and oriental?

[tripostrophe]

When you hear the black person refer to another black person as "knigga", it is usually not a racist term. But when a non-black use this term, it is considered derogatory. The fact is that this kind of term is universally viewed as unacceptable, but it is still acceptable to many many people to whom this term addresses. It is just like the way many of us still address ourselves as "Oriental", "Mongoloid", or "yellow", blabla.. though we oppose non-Asians state those.

No; it's still a racist term. Some people try to reappropriate it, but the power remains in the word. Just because some Black people say it doesn't justify anyone else using it.

[SunWuKong]

no SERIOUSLY, who still uses mongoloid and oriental?

one of my old bosses who was probably in his 60s was trying to be politically correct and he came up with "Asiatics".

[eos]

wow...asiatics....i've seen that before, i kid you not.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

^ Isn't that like, a term you use to describe tigers or elephants or some other species that live in Asia or something?

[applehead]

one of my old bosses who was probably in his 60s was trying to be politically correct and he came up with "Asiatics".

isn't that used interchangeably with oriental?

[popculturepooka]

Asiatics are the first human beings on the earth. It's just a term to describe them, I think.

According to the "Five-Percent Nation of Islam" that is...

[peta9]

If it makes you feel any better, Americans don't always have it that easy either. As the cream of the crop, we often are burdened with the obligation and responsibility of educating and civilizing the rest of the world. Being naturally superior isn't always a good thing, hehe.

But I don't see americans as inherently better or civilized. It's definitely policed, of course. I don't see how anyone who was honest could. They are just people who happen to be lucky or unlucky? enough to be living in a certain country. As a matter of fact, most americans are quite dumb in comparison to their lifestyle and resources available for self-improvement. I think I have plants smarter than they.

^ Let's not be so harsh now. We should lower the bar a little bit in terms of debating competency. I'd say for someone who isn't American, Peta isn't doing bad.

What's interesting is my original take on you was correct as your true colors keep spilling out like vomit out a drunkard. While they were busy giving you the moronic and undeserved benefit of the doubt, probably because they can't read people well, I was onto your american supremacist bit from the getgo. People don't have to outright make overt statements for others to pick up on their attitudes, at least for those who are more astute in understanding people.

Lower the bar? That's a laugh and a half. I'm pretty sure I'm quite a tad more intelligent than you and not at all as blinded by pc or indoctrination as you evidently are. For someone to believe that those who all live in a certain country are somehow more inherently civilized than those who are not, is ludicrously blind to the point of zealousy.

I've experienced some hostility from black people before. One time, I was stopped for a traffic violation and this black cop definitely made snide, albeit sutble, remarks about my race. He basically claims that all "Orientals" (his term, not mine) were rich snobs who thought they were above the law and could get away with it. He made these remarks while he was gleefully and fastidiously writing my ticket for a relatively minor traffic violation. It's as if the black cop was "excited" that he caught an "Oriental" breaking the law (probably because while blacks break the law almost by the minute, Asians only get caught breaking the law once in a full moon so it's kinda a "big deal" when we hear about Asians breaking the law).

However, it goes the other way as well. Asians can be hostile towards blacks. A lot of it has to do with Asians either having a superiority complex or simply taking out their frustrations on blacks. Many times Asians feel like they still get disrespected despite having high academic achievement or professional success. Meanwhile, they see those "inferior" blacks getting ahead in life or being socially accepted by Caucasians despite not having a formal education or an impressive work resume. Because of this cognitive dissonance to the Asians, they often lash out at the blacks.

That cognitive dissonance has a purpose and that is because asians are more competitive in the areas that caucasians have kept most of the control. That's threatening to many of them.

[peta9]

^ Let's not be so harsh now. We should lower the bar a little bit in terms of debating competency. I'd say for someone who isn't American, Peta isn't doing bad.

This always happens like clockwork. Because I openly criticize americans or the west quite frankly, I'm assumed to be fob etc etc. Just this predictable responsive attitude disgusts me because it is predictable; the assumption that the other secretly is wanting acceptance from a higher lord and savior, that somehow superiority is unquestionable and known to all and adored by all, aka god america *retch*. More like laughing my ass off because you assume I'm impressed! Do you realize I speak with no accent whatsoever and have lived in america most of my life? LOL. Not only that but caucasians who were even racist toward asians have remarked to me that I don't seem like "one of them" because I have less asian features from their perspective. But that doesn't make me proud because of their statement nor could care less, actually it offended me because I'm proud of my heritage. I find it contemptible that you are so ready to flaunt and jeer your american mockish tone toward me when I'm probably more respected by most caucasians than you would be, but in my case, it don't mean a damn thang to me! Um, get a clue. Yeah.

[peta9]

If it makes you feel any better, Americans don't always have it that easy either. As the cream of the crop, we often are burdened with the obligation and responsibility of educating and civilizing the rest of the world. Being naturally superior isn't always a good thing, hehe.

Also, you might want to consider this. Only the most indoctrinated would believe the united states was spreading democracy to the world. America was interested in america and securing every and any means to protect itself and exploit resources. If it spread 'democracy', you can be sure it had vested self-interest in mind; korean war, vietnam war etc.

But to not discredit america completely, of course, there are good people in america. There is alway potential for change and social awareness. Even less than stellar motives can turn out to be the catalyst for something positive in the end by a continual domino effect of political and social change.

No offense, but you are so naive....

No, america does not control oil prices. But it influences it. The oil barons, friends of Bus, know that.

No, it doesn't control arm dealers from China Russia and other countries, but it sells weapons to other countries.

And yes, it does control the poverty that comes from dictators. In fact, most dictators on the planet are puppets of america. For instance, the dictatorships in the 60's, in South america, were all secretly supported and helped by the CIA. In fact, the CIA put those dictators in power. The same with the one in Indonesia and Saddam Hussein. The U.S. goverment has always been "friends" with all those dictators.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTldYbqlJc8


So yes, the US brought death and misery to millions, if not billions, across the planet

[Sunflare]

You didn't just sign up to this board to make a complaint, did you? Honestly, since I didn't see what happened, I find it hard to take either you or the African American lady's side. I also find it a bit harsh to charge extra money when she just wanted 2 more plates for her food. Would you have charged her more if she wanted an extra spoon or pair of chopsticks?


Well stated. We are hearing only one side of the story. We really don't know what really went down, because we was not there to see what was really going on.

But it is known that many of the clashes I've seen between Blacks and Asians is because of misunderstandings based on lack of understanding because of the language barrier problem.

I guess it was'nt a language barrier as the OP suggests. So maybe it was the BF that istarted the shit. But again I was'nt there so I can't say what really was the deal.

:sigh: It's unfortunate but we have racists coming from all ethnic groups. Not just blacks.

Anyway Moonlightkiz, just stay cool and keep your head on. Like YoMAMA said, it seems that in the end it's the MAN that always wins, and we as APAs and the Afro-Americans continue to be opressed and suffer under this supposed Anglo-American democracy, which is really more like a racist dictatorship.

[FilipinoSOUTH]

Ok I didn't read through all the replies but i am seriously offended at the degradation of our sister who was asking for extra plates.

I seen her referred to as a "low-life", the "lowest common denominator".

Would it be different if she was your mother who had 4 kids?

I think we should make it a point especially after the LA riots and similar violence in our communities from New Orleans to Maryland, as Asian Americans we are in a place of privilege doing business in predominantly black neighborhoods. Hence, you can reinforce white supremacy and a lot of black neighborhoods have this valid sentiment of investment in the end not staying in the community.

It's called the Asian American Middle-Businessmen phenomenon. I know most business owners have a trusted relationship with their communities but sometimes it's just a customer service/cultural competency issue...

I'm just saying...have some empathy, it might change the conversation around.

[Sunflare]

Ok I didn't read through all the replies but i am seriously offended at the degradation of our sister who was asking for extra plates.

I seen her referred to as a "low-life", the "lowest common denominator".

Would it be different if she was your mother who had 4 kids?

I think we should make it a point especially after the LA riots and similar violence in our communities from New Orleans to Maryland, as Asian Americans we are in a place of privilege doing business in predominantly black neighborhoods. Hence, you can reinforce white supremacy and a lot of black neighborhoods have this valid sentiment of investment in the end not staying in the community.

It's called the Asian American Middle-Businessmen phenomenon. I know most business owners have a trusted relationship with their communities but sometimes it's just a customer service/cultural competency issue...

I'm just saying...have some empathy, it might change the conversation around.

Thank you for coming out straight to the point. We all need these kind of wake up calls now and then.

Not all black people are on welfare, "on probation" from the "lowest common denominator" speaking in poor ebonics. "Im sur am hungry". WTF is that? That's all a bunch of fucking bullshit and hype based on racist stereotypes.

Well this is originally an old thread from the summer of 2007 (I did'nt realize that until now, all burnt out stupid from exams to notice that. . .) and I'm sure we've all matured since then.

[Sunflare]

Edit: Posted in wrong thread. Using IE explorer, the worst web browser known to man.

[draconisz]

Ok I didn't read through all the replies but i am seriously offended at the degradation of our sister who was asking for extra plates.

I seen her referred to as a "low-life", the "lowest common denominator".

Would it be different if she was your mother who had 4 kids?

I think we should make it a point especially after the LA riots and similar violence in our communities from New Orleans to Maryland, as Asian Americans we are in a place of privilege doing business in predominantly black neighborhoods. Hence, you can reinforce white supremacy and a lot of black neighborhoods have this valid sentiment of investment in the end not staying in the community.

It's called the Asian American Middle-Businessmen phenomenon. I know most business owners have a trusted relationship with their communities but sometimes it's just a customer service/cultural competency issue...

I'm just saying...have some empathy, it might change the conversation around.

Well sir. I am an African-American. I can definitely have empathy for other African-Americans who feel discrimination from others. But I can't waste much empathy on this situation. This lady obviously had a grudge against Asians and felt she needed to grind her axe. To me she is the lowest common denominator. Why would you threaten someone who has done nothing to you? She was trying to make the host/hostess jump through hoops. And then when she wasn't accommodated, she wanted to pretend as though they were not doing something that they would normally do.

There will always be people in the African-American community who are kind and courteous. The places I frequent in the ghetto usually have very strong ties to the community. Some places have even hired African-Americans to work as clerks, etc. One lady displays the pictures of students graduating from the grade school near her store.

I think your words about establishing ties definitely have merit. But that does not excuse the actions of people who mistreat Asians. We can talk about the reasons for such behavior, but that simply does not make it any more acceptable.

[Nidus]

black people hate on asians because we are the model minority making them look loud and lazy

[Sunflare]

Like I said in my earlier post (http://forums.yellowworld.org/showthread.php?p=540095#post540095) just STFU.

[Shiyuan]

Gee, reading some of the more rapid posts here makes me sorta laugh at the irony. Here they are decrying racism and in turn are spouting racist bullshit.

LOOK, people are people, rudeness and racism isn't just targeted at Asians. I've grown up in Brooklyn, I've seen poor Irish families, poor Italian families, poor Puerto Rican families, poor black fams and my own poor ass Asian fam. In the end, our poverty makes us all the fucking same, angry, disillusioned and trying to grasp at what little victories we can get, even if it is at the cost of our neighbor. It's harsh but true, human nature is simply petty and cruel if given nothing else for an outlet of their repressed dreams and buried hopes.

I don't condone racism, but I will not answer racism with racism, it just adds oil to the fire. If a guy calls me a Chink, I'll just call him an asshole, etc. I ain't no fucking saint or monk, I'll respond, but not in the same vein, cuz enough hate flows through them already.

[Thaddaeus]

clearly this has little if anything to do with race. the woman is ignorant and angry, and that's that.

[Sunflare]

Thats what I think too. Not everything that a person does in anger has to be over race.

[HanSolo]

I work at my parent's resturant which is located in a ghetto area of town. Tonight, an African American walked in and placed an order. When the order was ready she wanted her two meals to be put in 4 different plates. I told her that we cannot do that unless she is willing to pay a little extra. She then called me a b#%ch. I immediately told her that she can have her money back but she continued to go on saying very ignorant and mean comments such as "You immigrants need to go back to where you belong. You need f*$king learn so manners. I would slap you right now if i'm not on probation. etc." These incidents have happened a few times before. I am sick and tired of these comments. I'm a college student and i know the importance to have an attitude of equality toward all people. That's what I offer but there are people who are making it very hard for me to keep that attitude. What makes them think that just because they are born in the U.S that they are superior to Chinese people? When it comes down to it, every single one of us is an immigrant to this country! Not just Asians! We have just as much right to be here as everyone else! We work hard if not harder for a living and this is the treatment that we get? If you are soo unhappy with us then you do you patronize our resturant?! I really don't understand these ignorant people and never want to. I pity this racist fool for she really doesn't know any better being that she's a failure herself.

are you serious??? "LOL"....the girl is black, how much of an insult can one make??? jus take it with a grain of salt and look at her face and smile...because remember this, you win no matter what..... unfortunately for the black woman, she lost as soon as she was born ......ASIANS WIN AT LIFE (always remember that):biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

[AngryABCGirl]

are you serious??? "LOL"....the girl is black, how much of an insult can one make??? jus take it with a grain of salt and look at her face and smile...because remember this, you win no matter what..... unfortunately for the black woman, she lost as soon as she was born ......ASIANS WIN AT LIFE (always remember that):biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

Learn to post a response that makes it look like you've read a damn book in your life.

[USCTrojanzNo1]

are you serious??? "LOL"....the girl is black, how much of an insult can one make??? jus take it with a grain of salt and look at her face and smile...because remember this, you win no matter what..... unfortunately for the black woman, she lost as soon as she was born ......ASIANS WIN AT LIFE (always remember that):biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

Unfortunately, this sort of elitist attitude (which has sadly become commonplace among East Asians in particular) is why you'll never truly succeed in life and why East Asians will always be seen as "foreigners" or "on the outside looking in." Even if elite East Asians think they are part of the elite group, they will always be viewed as outsiders.

Of course, maybe you're just being sarcastic and making fun of the elitist East Asian attitude.

[HanSolo]

Learn to post a response that makes it look like you've read a damn book in your life.

awwwwwww, are you mad because of my comment??"LOL".... im not writing a doctorial thesis nor am i on this planet please you...:wink::wink::wink:

[HanSolo]

Unfortunately, this sort of elitist attitude (which has sadly become commonplace among East Asians in particular) is why you'll never truly succeed in life and why East Asians will always be seen as "foreigners" or "on the outside looking in." Even if elite East Asians think they are part of the elite group, they will always be viewed as outsiders.

Of course, maybe you're just being sarcastic and making fun of the elitist East Asian attitude.

"EAST" asians..."LOL"... i clearly wrote ASIAN and i do believe we are elite...why?? well, fortunately im afforded that ignorant way of thinking since ASIANS are in a position to make such a claim by evidence of all the great things we have accomplished and continue to contribute to society.

im a "outsider looking in", OK well thats not neccessarily a bad thing either and make NO mistake their is NO THINK we KNOW that we are a part of the elite group.:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

[eos]

disable his smileys please.

anyway, east asians are the ish. we're smart, rich, good-looking, and did i say filthy stinking rich? being all those things gives us the damn RIGHT to be elitist. why do you think we work so damn hard? to rub everyone else's faces in the mud.

*eAsT aSiAnz 4 LyFe, yo*

[deez nuts]

you just got to let it pass, tolerate it, and hope that your business does well enough so you can buy up all the property around the area, rent out to white hipsters and drive these ghetto savages out. It worked in Brooklyn.

SUCCESS!

[HanSolo]

disable his smileys please.

anyway, east asians are the ish. we're smart, rich, good-looking, and did i say filthy stinking rich? being all those things gives us the damn RIGHT to be elitist. why do you think we work so damn hard? to rub everyone else's faces in the mud.

*eAsT aSiAnz 4 LyFe, yo*

awwww c'mon, i like my smiley faces....but ill tone it down to one "just for you, of course".:wink:

[kimpossible]

SUCCESS!

It's touching how much you miss Spooner.

[AngryABCGirl]

awwwwwww, are you mad because of my comment??"LOL".... im not writing a doctorial thesis nor am i on this planet please you...:wink::wink::wink:

If you displease me enough, you may be ejected from the board. :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

[SunWuKong]

If you displease me enough, you may be ejected from the board. :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

no objection from me.

[Sunflare]

awwwwwww, are you mad because of my comment??"LOL".... im not writing a doctorial thesis nor am i on this planet please you...:wink::wink::wink:

When was the last time you actually sat down in a English writing intensive class anyway ? In kindergarden ?

I'll answer that question for you: Probably not, and it shows in the idiotic nature of your posts as of late.

[sageb1]

the only thing america spreads around the world is a prettified form of fascism it calls "democracy" when the correct term is "americanization".

[Adaon]

the only thing america spreads around the world is a prettified form of fascism it calls "democracy" when the correct term is "americanization".

I want to americanize all over this comment.