My Rant on Asians in North America

[epmd]

well I am a Korean-Canadian and I am true and proud Asian man, my nationality is Canadian but my ethnicity is Korean first and foremost, it is the defining aspect of my existence, I imagine the centuries and generations of my family that has come this far to create me as a Korean person and I am almost proud to tears. I can and wish for Korean offspring to carry our family's heritage into the infinite future. There is nobody more proud of being an Asian man than me.

Now, here are my rants on some kinds of other Asian people in the same situation as me, yet with a different outlook on things. I have noticed the following traits in some Asian people.. mostly on the internet.. I have not noticed this too much in real life, a little bit but not as much as I've seen on the net. so here's my rant on kinds of asian canadians/americans/australians/etc that i'm really not proud of:

1) Asian males (AM) who care too much about the inter-racial couples (IR) they see on the street.

Is it just me, or this a female's trait. How can you call yourself a man and not only care but actually try to discuss and incredibly try to analyze interracial couples you see or meet? there's a word for this.. it's called GOSSIPING. you will never ever ever gain the respect of your fellow man if Gossping about "IR's" is what you not only do but actually do so much. These "discussions" inevitibly involves the "IR disparity" where apparently there are more "WM/AF" combinations than "AM/WF" combinations. Dudes, you're being puzzies. If you try bringing that puzzy shit up while me and my friends are having beer and watching hockey.. well it just won't go over too well. At the most basic, these "discussions" about "IR" breaks a FUNDAMENTAL RULE you learn in KINDERGARTEN, that is MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. if inter racial couples want to date each other... MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. it is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. secondly, and more embarassingly, TALKING ABOUT/CARING ABOUT/ANALYSING/ TRYING TO FIND "SOLUTIONS" to THIS "PROBLEM" makes you look horribly femine and women like... and THEN you have the audacity to blame your lack of success in dating on this massive "RACIST IR RELATIONSHIPS" or something or other.. well, a basic word of advice fellas: a woman already has a puzzy, she doesn't need another one

2) complaining about "feminization" of asian men in the media.

they complain.. and analyze.. and complain some more about how the media turns asian men feminine.. then the same asian men do the above (gossip about "ir") and talk about Asians are "disadvantaged"
in the dating scene. it seems to be that what these asian "men" are doing has come true. you guys ARE ACTING FEMININE. I have never ever thought of myself as feminine and never have my asian dude friends or cousins. we are men and we act like men. try doing the same.. act like a man be treated like a man, it's simple as that

3) bringing in "white people" to every single Asian conversation. it's always because of white colonialism that "sellout" asian women "don't date AMS" or "white privilege" that makes life miserable for "all" asians or it's white people that control. everyone apparently worships white people and white people can get anything they want and this makes life miserable for all the asians. COME ON PEOPLE. talk about PLAYER HATING and player hating and IMAGINARY PLAYER at that. dudes, have you ever had any white friends? they do not have these easy lives where everything is handed to them. they have to fight and work hard and scrape to get to the top like everyone else. but for some reason.. it is YOU who has the "white worship" who claim everyone else has and is blaming Whites for whatever failures you've come across. that makes YOU a COWARD who can't stand on your own feet. Go to Korea or Japan. White people are NOT WORSHIPPED. white people TREATED LIKE SECOND CLASS CITIZENS there. they are not given any rights of any kind and people constantly make fun of their hairy bodies and long noses. YOU are JEALOUS of what YOU believe is white SUPREMACY and blame everything on White people and then you have the AUDACITY TO THINK OTHER ASIANS AGREE!

4) blaming every little thing on your Asianness. everything is because you're Asian. people look at you "funny" you think it's because you're Asian, someone cuts in line at the supermarket, it's because you're Asian, a white person acts in what you percieve is a little offensive it's because the white person is racist against asians. Do i even have to get into this one. people are a-holes everywhere, it's not just because you're Asian. and guess what, society is rough.. no one is going to give anything to you on silver platter. people are going to spit at you kick you and treat you like shit, Asian or not. BE A MAN AND DEAL WITH IT

there's way more..

[epmd]

i'm not attacking anyone, i'm just calling out what i see is wrong. i wish these same feminine asian men who gossip about IR's and worship whties would quit it so we can get back to being proud asian dudes celebrating our MASSIVE and RICh culture, history, lineage and everything else that is great about being Asian

[USCTrojanzNo1]

LOL

I kinda feel the same way (at times). Especially the rants about the interracial disparity. A lot of Asian American male activists (on the internet at least) seem to be much more concerned about getting laid by white girls than actually doing something meaningful with their lives... The fault dear Asian American male activists lies not in Asian women, or even white men, but in themselves.

For example, Amy Tan has been heavily criticized for her portrayal of Asian American men as chauvinistic, condescending, etc. While there may be SOME merit in these criticisms, I look at it another way. I see Amy Tan's works as sending a message to guys everywhere (and not just Asian American guys). Her message is simple: treat your lady as an equal.

[USCTrojanzNo1]

4) blaming every little thing on your Asianness. everything is because you're Asian. people look at you "funny" you think it's because you're Asian, someone cuts in line at the supermarket, it's because you're Asian, a white person acts in what you percieve is a little offensive it's because the white person is racist against asians. Do i even have to get into this one. people are a-holes everywhere, it's not just because you're Asian. and guess what, society is rough.. no one is going to give anything to you on silver platter. people are going to spit at you kick you and treat you like shit, Asian or not. BE A MAN AND DEAL WITH IT

I kinda notice that too. Every time you see or hear an Asian guy caught breaking the law or doing something bad, some Asians claim that it's racism and that the police or investigators targeted him because he's Asian. It's not unlike what blacks used to do (and they still play the race card often). This race card has definitely been utilized by Asians lately whenever there's a major scandal involving Asians or Asian Americans (the Duke MBA cheating scandal, the Jian Li affirmative action lawsuit, Ed Jew voting district scandal, the tainted products from China, etc.)

I think that that mentality is a by-product of the whole model minority myth. Because many Asians truly believe that they are the model minority, they feel they are beyond reproach and can never do anything wrong. Just recently, China has been under fire for allegedly manufacturing tainted products and shipping tainted foods. Instead of actually examining what China did and maybe trying to find a solution to the problem, many Chinese people blamed the "white media" for being "racists" towards Asians.

[Banana]

Hi.

I'm Banana.

I'm 28 years old but look 23. Everyone thinks I'm a joy to be around. I'm confident, funny, and I like to make every woman feel as if they're the only woman on Earth. I like walking on the beach, reading, cooking, and offering simplistic solutions to complex problems I don't understand.

[monkeygone2]

I look at it another way. I see Amy Tan's works as sending a message to guys everywhere (and not just Asian American guys). Her message is simple: treat your lady as an equal.

lol
sure. while exploiting half-truths about chinese culture to illustrate... oh nevermind. you're right.

Every time you see or hear an Asian guy caught breaking the law or doing something bad, some Asians claim that it's racism and that the police or investigators targeted him because he's Asian.

many Asians truly believe that they are the model minority, they feel they are beyond reproach and can never do anything wrong.

oh really?

[snow ninja]

i think it affects different people differently. and also depends on the particular severity of traumatic events that shapes your personality and reactions to these incidents whether sensitive or laughed off as just humour.

to me, you seem a bit ignorant and naive but not in a bad way but i wish i could go back to that mentality before i came on the internet and realized that a reason for some things that happened is because of being asian and backed up by alot of the reasoning i've read online.

i always realized i get treated different as a non white but after reading such racist crap online, i realize i'm taking shit from my own race women as well as other races. the term sellout is very relevant
because it sums up inablility to recognize the issues surrounding your asian identity and run away from it..you have to ask why alot... it's just that being asian, you may have to ask it more.

(edit) i would think that an american viewpoint and canadian is a bit different but there are alot of closet racists in canada who feel suppressed or muzzled by canadian multicultural policy so they feel powerless to stop the changes they don't want, mainly foreigners (ie. non whites) encroaching on what they percieve as their land.

too many people feel that too many other cultures are imposing on theirs.

i lay fault on both sides. the majority that is intolerant and the new immigrant who could give a shit and only take what they can and not respect his or her newly adopted country. The reasons are many but i hear that alot of complaints is the no speak english and the trying to change Canada to their interests etc.

[epmd]

Hi.

I'm Banana.

I'm 28 years old but look 23. Everyone thinks I'm a joy to be around. I'm confident, funny, and I like to make every woman feel as if they're the only woman on Earth. I like walking on the beach, reading, cooking, and offering simplistic solutions to complex problems I don't understand.


Is it really me "offering simplistic solutions to 'complex' problems I don't understand" or is it YOU putting together complicated and self defeating reasons for why you are losing in whatever you are doing?

The only person who has the potential to lose here is you and people like you. I say "potential" because you don't have to lose.

[monkeygone2]

Is it really me "offering simplistic solutions to 'complex' problems I don't understand" or

how many times did you say puzzy?
it's hard to take you seriously when you say that talking about media portayals of asians is gossiping, race doesn't matter, and whatever else you said.

you're a man, you act like a man, you will be a man, you are surrounded by men while drinking beer & watching hockey. manly men.
whew! i get it.
i'm sure you're bigger & stronger than me.
please don't hurt me.

[epmd]

how many times did you say puzzy?
it's hard to take you seriously when you say that talking about media portayals of asians is gossiping, race doesn't matter, and whatever else you said.

you're a man, you act like a man, you will be a man, you are surrounded by men while drinking beer & watching hockey. manly men.
whew! i get it.
i'm sure you're bigger & stronger than me.
please don't hurt me.

No, I didn't say talking about media portrayals of Asians is gossiping, I said Gossing About Inter-Racial Couples you See or Meet is Gossiping. With media portrayals of Asians, I really can't comment on.. because I rarely watch TV (I watch the news and sports and documentaries). but if it is true that TV shows "try to turn Asian men feminine," and you act feminine Because of this? Indeed you are a PUZZY. and if you react with any kind of intellectual response to anyone else who believes Asian men are feminine because some PUZZY TV SHOW says Asian men are feminine then you are a PUZZY.

dude don't be a puzzy, nobody likes that shit. other guys don't like that shit, women don't like that shit, your mother won't like that shit, trust me

[AngryABCGirl]

Hi.

I'm Banana.

I'm 28 years old but look 23. Everyone thinks I'm a joy to be around. I'm confident, funny, and I like to make every woman feel as if they're the only woman on Earth. I like walking on the beach, reading, cooking, and offering simplistic solutions to complex problems I don't understand.

Hi. :smile:

[monkeygone2]

TV shows "try to turn Asian men feminine," and you act feminine Because of this? Indeed you are a PUZZY.
if you react with any kind of intellectual response to anyone else who believes Asian men are feminine because some PUZZY TV SHOW says Asian men are feminine then you are a PUZZY.


you think "intellectual response" = "PUZZY"?
is that why you want to sound like an ass-clown?

dude don't be a puzzy, nobody likes that shit.

dude, do you have to be so aggro?
you should give man classes at the learning annex because i do need help.
keeping your trap shut about media's influence on our lives is very brave, btw.

[snow ninja]

is that stupid japanese game show still on spike tv. doesn't it piss you off that they make them llook so stupid with their comments and that's what the general population ssees especially kids. i'm surpirsed that show isn't banned.

[monkeygone2]

^ bro, you're not helping me.

[epmd]

you think "intellectual response" = "PUZZY"?
is that why you want to sound like an ass-clown?



dude, do you have to be so aggro?
you should give man classes at the learning annex because i do need help.
keeping your trap shut about media's influence on our lives is very brave, btw.


You continuously misinterpret/misunderstand what I am saying. I bet I am not far off if I say that you misinterpret/misunderstand a lot of what you see and hear in the world too.

Have fun in your bitter little world little guy, argument's over.

[rice cracker]

Damn, these are words to live by. He is no one's bitch! They...are his. /Yu Law.

Although, dude, you can say "pussy" here.

[cloudzero]

gossiping is what makes us feminine?
seems to me that this is the only item of argument you have
i don't think i've seen a single portrayal on tv where the feminization trait is gossiping.
who spreads the idea of asians and small penises?
who spreads the idea that all asians are foreigners and MUST have an accent?

dont you dare try to turn it around and say its our own fault
if you want to prove a point, you better have more convincing arguments than these

edit: becuase there is plenty to prove otherwise

[monkeygone2]

Have fun in your bitter little world little guy, argument's over.

sensitive aren't we?

and it's Mr. bitter little guy, to you.

ps - you forgot weak.

[eos]

wtf is a "puzzy"?

dude YOU be a man and spell the word correctly. P-U-S-S-Y

and really, your thoughts are highly convoluted, eg. saying an intellectual response to something negative is effeminate (as pointed out by monkey)

please to explain this "logic"

[buttermilkwise]

Sure there's a problem but it's quite relative if you think about it, I mean seriously when the hell was the last time you saw Jose the heroic mexican migrant laborer as the lead in a major Hollywood film?

[monkeygone2]

^ and why does MEXICAN = "MIGRANT LABORER" to you?

damn.

[epmd]

gossiping is what makes us feminine?
seems to me that this is the only item of argument you have
i don't think i've seen a single portrayal on tv where the feminization trait is gossiping.
who spreads the idea of asians and small penises?
who spreads the idea that all asians are foreigners and MUST have an accent?

dont you dare try to turn it around and say its our own fault
if you want to prove a point, you better have more convincing arguments than these

edit: becuase there is plenty to prove otherwise

alright man. let's talk about those stereotypes which the TV supposedly spreads. "Asians have small penises" and "all asians are foreigners and MUST have an accent." I mean, what kind of low brow idiotic show would deal with this kind of stupidity any way? Penis size? Do you talk about this stuff in formal settings? "All Asians are foreigners with accents?" Do smart people believe this? It is obvious that the shows which supposedly promote these kinds of things are EXTREMELY LOW on the intellectual totem poll. Stupid shows that deal with this stuff is not something you need to get worked about. And it is stupid people who watch those shows and believe it. STUPID PEOPLE ARE NOT WORTH INTELLECTUALLY RESPONDING TO. As for gossping... I'll say this one more time. YOU TALK ABOUT AN INTER RACIAL COUPLE YOU SEE OR MEET, YOU ARE GOSSIPING.

Take this example, I'll pretend to be an "Asian activist" "discussing" the "IR disparity"....

"yeah, I counted 5 WM/AF couples downtown, they're doing PDA right when I'm around, I KNOW they're trying to oppress the AM by doing that. they don't really love each other.. the AF white worships the WM. AF hates herself, hates AM. AF loves being dominated by her WM.. yeah, they have to know the truth, they don't love each other"

they talk about how they don't love each other and talking about their relationships and how they act to each other and shit..... STOP FUCCING GOSSIPING YOU PUZZIES WHAT ARE YOU THEIR MOTHERS??

[cloudzero]

^Dude, you really gotta stop using "PUZZIES"
The general population is not smart. The average person does believe the things they see on tv. I know the average person probably better than anyone on this board. As a result you (as a korean?) get ching chonged and told to go back to china to eat your sushi. My point is "these dumb people" make up the majority. If the majority believes these things, then we got a problem. That's why we can't have the media continue these kinds of portrayals, or at least have this much imbalance of those portrayals. If you don't already know, people on this board do more than just rant and actually take action. If I were you I would start watching TV to see what the fuss is about before going on a board and telling the world to shut up about something you know so little about.

PS. Don't go into too much detail about IR, or this thread will be closed.

[monkeygone2]

Sure there's a problem but it's quite relative if you think about it, I mean seriously when the hell was the last time you saw Jose the heroic mexican migrant laborer as the lead in a major Hollywood film?

still waiting for an explanation for the above statement.

let me help.
the reason why you equate "mexican" w/ "migrant laborer" is because *drum roll* the media has power.
and you're a douche nozzle.

luckily, mexican americans have film-makers like guillermo del toro & alfonso cuaron. they are getting major offers from hollywood and hopefully are going to help change the images that people like you have of mexicans.

and that's why discussing the restrictive media portrayals of asians and minorities in general is not "puzzyish".

[pikachupacabra]

still waiting for an explanation for the above statement.

let me help.
the reason why you equate "mexican" w/ "migrant laborer" is because *drum roll* the media has power.
and you're a douche nozzle.

luckily, mexican americans have film-makers like guillermo del toro & alfonso cuaron. they are getting major offers from hollywood and hopefully are going to help change the images that people like you have of mexicans.

and that's why discussing the restrictive media portrayals of asians and minorities in general is not "puzzyish".




http://www.hollywoodjesus.com/movie/day_without_mexican/logo.jpg

[epmd]

^Dude, you really gotta stop using "PUZZIES"
The general population is not smart. The average person does believe the things they see on tv. I know the average person probably better than anyone on this board. As a result you (as a korean?) get ching chonged and told to go back to china to eat your sushi. My point is "these dumb people" make up the majority. If the majority believes these things, then we got a problem. That's why we can't have the media continue these kinds of portrayals, or at least have this much imbalance of those portrayals. If you don't already know, people on this board do more than just rant and actually take action. If I were you I would start watching TV to see what the fuss is about before going on a board and telling the world to shut up about something you know so little about.

PS. Don't go into too much detail about IR, or this thread will be closed.


well that is an interesting viewpoint, but at the same time there are always going to be morons in this world who do and say things regardless. Believe it or not it's not just non-whites who get harassed the stupid, even white people are egged and sworn at by the same idiots who hurl racial slurs. trying to educate the stupid is a tremendous task, one i have some doubts about being able to succeed. i choose the next best method: work hard, get on your grind and be a success and put as much miles between me and the idiots as possible. i honestly don't care if some idiotic racist is racist or not because that would mean I actually care about them positively or negatively and I SURE AS HELL DO NOT CARE ABOUT SOME RACIST MORON

[epmd]

also, i wasn't attacking this board at all, i was just ranting about how SOME "asian activists" on the internet act and behave (like PUZZIES) yeah i like how that's spelled PUZZY

[monkeygone2]

http://www.hollywoodjesus.com/movie/day_without_mexican/logo.jpg

that movie is about how latino americans are viewed as illegal mexicans.

latino people start disappearing and they're not low wage illegals. they're american doctors, lawyers, etc.

[Yeahman]

the reason why you equate "mexican" w/ "migrant laborer" is because *drum roll* the media has power.
The media is planting Mexicans in the restaurants I go to and the landscaping jobs I pass by?

[monkeygone2]

The media is planting Mexicans in the restaurants I go to and the landscaping jobs I pass by?

no, but i'm sure your aware that mexicans are not just bus boys and day laborers.
unless you're a hollywood casting director.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

im sory but like
i cant believ this guy from canada is telling us what to do
canada is like america jr
come back to ltecture us after u win more olimpic medals thx

[eos]

^i <3 you, hubert. ^_^

[Banana]

I have alot to say and can address your points pretty easily but I'm not sure the stress is worth it as my blood pressure will skyrocket and I don't need that shit.

[cloudzero]

I SURE AS HELL DO NOT CARE ABOUT SOME RACIST MORON

I don't know what you've been through in your life in terms of racism and stereotypes. For me some stuff is just too hard to ignore no matter who its coming from.

[epmd]

I have alot to say and can address your points pretty easily but I'm not sure the stress is worth it as my blood pressure will skyrocket and I don't need that shit.


yeah but can you address my points without bringing up the same tired self-defeating, imaginary, and unheroic opinions and whining "your kind" (online asian "activists") love "discussing." you're blood pressure is shot cause i'm pulling your card

[epmd]

I don't know what you've been through in your life in terms of racism and stereotypes. For me some stuff is just too hard to ignore no matter who its coming from.


yeah i've had racial slurs thrown at me and all that. but in a way, i'm glad those morons are racist, because that'll ruin their lives. i don't want them to improve and have happy lives. i want them to stay scumbags, alcoholics, unemployed, sent to jail, and everything else scumbags deserve because you know what, i hate their guts

[cloudzero]

yeah i've had racial slurs thrown at me and all that. but in a way, i'm glad those morons are racist, because that'll ruin their lives. i don't want them to improve and have happy lives. i want them to stay scumbags, alcoholics, unemployed, sent to jail, and everything else scumbags deserve because you know what, i hate their guts

WHOA im done

[epmd]

^^ don't get me wrong, i want institutionalized racism and all that corrected, but i have no interest in helping or changing or affecting a racist scumbag on the street

[buttermilkwise]

still waiting for an explanation for the above statement.

let me help.
the reason why you equate "mexican" w/ "migrant laborer" is because *drum roll* the media has power.
and you're a douche nozzle.


you didn't catch my sarcasm either because my point was that I didn't like the fact that most of these mexicans who are in these positions of low class are not given the same oppertunity we have for more equal representation in the media.

There in lies the conundrum, here you are judging me and then get upset and call me a douche nozzle. I may have said something out of ignorance but not ill intent, if you don't believe me then it's not my problem.

Now I understand why it's important not to judge white people in the same way because i'm human just like them and I might not be aware of everything and i'll inevitablly step on someone's toes I come across without realizing it.

The question is do you think you are incapable of doing the same because you consider yourself more enlightened than me?

[CBC guy]

im sory but like
i cant believ this guy from canada is telling us what to do
canada is like america jr
come back to ltecture us after u win more olimpic medals thx

LOL the Canadian Gov't doesn't give a damn about summer olympic sports, which is a shame.

Remember Donovan Bailey in '96? Simon Whitfield in 2000? :wink: Our summer olympic teams suck now, not due to lack of talent but to lack of funding. :frown: (So I've switched to cheering for China! :biggrin: )

But Canada's Olympic passion is focused on the Winter games, not the Summer games.

Ok, back on the topic, Epman, read my story (in another thread about racist scumbags) about how my (Chinese) friend took matters into his own hands during a hockey game between an all-Caucasian team and an (almost, there's one white guy) all-Asian team. (P.S. Team Asia, with Chinese, koreans, Japanese and Vietnamese, beat team white 8-1 :biggrin: )

[monkeygone2]

^^ don't get me wrong, i want institutionalized racism and all that corrected,

how can that be achieved without "discussing"? lol

something from the deaded ir thread:
http://forums.yellowworld.org/showthread.php?t=33360&page=35
Because this is such a tiring subject, many Asian guys shy away from this issue out of exhaustion, boredom, or fear of looking like a douch.
But if every level headed person kept quiet about this issue, then the only vocal people would be the wing-nuts who believe Asian girls are obligated to date them...


anyway...
you've got your own definitions for "asian activists", "discussing (lol)", and whatever else.

"asian activists" aren't out to change every racist asshole on the street.
it's about standing up for yourself, organizing, educating, not being silent.
lowering your head & shutting your trap when you see a racist ad campaign or tv show is like..... i don't know..... bending over and saying 'thank you sir, may i have another.'

[monkeygone2]

you didn't catch my sarcasm...
my point was that I didn't like the fact that most of these mexicans who are in these positions of low class are not given the same oppertunity we have for more equal representation in the media.


check your original post again.
you mean like a chinese food delivery guy starring in a hollywood movie?
no, i didn't catch your sarcasm.


There in lies the conundrum, here you are judging me and then get upset and call me a douche nozzle.

conundrum? you do admit you were a douche nozzle, yes?

I may have said something out of ignorance but not ill intent, if you don't believe me then it's not my problem.


for what it's worth, i do believe you.

Now I understand why it's important not to judge white people in the same way

well, it's good not to judge people regardless of race.
but was i judging you or was i reacting to your fucked up statement by calling you a douche nozzle? was i out of line for saying you were out of line?

The question is do you think you are incapable of doing the same because you consider yourself more enlightened than me?

when did i say i'm more enlightened than you?

yeah, i've said things out of ignorance.
instead of making up shit about the person who pointed out my mistake,
i thank them for helping me out.
and i apologize earnestly without immediately saying "and if you don't believe me it's not my problem" like you did.

[Banana]

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1069/1110563575_1bcf365a79.jpg

[eos]

OMFG!!!!

it's like that saying about participating in an internet argument being the same as the special olympics: even if you win, you're still retarded!

but this picture is cuter and less offensive, of course.

[BeTheReds]

Go to Korea or Japan. White people are NOT WORSHIPPED. white people TREATED LIKE SECOND CLASS CITIZENS there. they are not given any rights of any kind and people constantly make fun of their hairy bodies and long noses.

Hey man, I feel most of your post, but this part here is exaggerated.

With the exception of Arudo Debito and his infamous Bathhouse incident, all citizens of Korea and Japan who are White have the same legal rights that any other Korean or Japanese has. White people who are foreign don't have the same rights, the same is basically true of any foreigner anywhere. There's going to be some things they aren't able to do. This might be a lot more in Korea than in other countries (such as not being able to get cell phones or register for certain websites on account of not having a citizen number), but foreigners with the same rights as citizens exists nowhere.

While discrimination against Whites exists in both places, it's almost never anything that matters. From random people on the subway saying "Hey LOOK! It's a whitie!" to morons on the street trying to speak shitty English when you make it clear that you're fine in Korean or Japanese. There's a pre-concieved notion that whites generally don't know shit about the way things work there, from eating with chopsticks, to social norms, etc... Even when someone has lived there their entire lives they still get that kind of treatment.

On the other hand, Whites do have an amount of privelege here. IF all the Asian American Activist bitching about the media is taken as a valid point (which it doesn't seem to be for you), there is no equivalent in Korea/Japan. For one, both countries get most hollywood movies and a lot of American TV on broadcast channels. Models in most fashion magazines and street ads have more than their fair share of White representation. Some Japanese girls have this idea that White guys are more gentlemanly and less mysogenistic than their Japanese counterpart. There's this idea that white dudes have bigger schlongs than Korean/Japanese dudes... I could go on and on

White privelege does exist, but the gist of your message is great. Quit bitching and do something to make your life better instead of blaming Whitie for every failure.

[Banana]

Hey man, I feel most of your post, but this part here is exaggerated.

With the exception of Arudo Debito and his infamous Bathhouse incident, all citizens of Korea and Japan who are White have the same legal rights that any other Korean or Japanese has. White people who are foreign don't have the same rights, the same is basically true of any foreigner anywhere. There's going to be some things they aren't able to do. This might be a lot more in Korea than in other countries (such as not being able to get cell phones or register for certain websites on account of not having a citizen number), but foreigners with the same rights as citizens exists nowhere.

While discrimination against Whites exists in both places, it's almost never anything that matters. From random people on the subway saying "Hey LOOK! It's a whitie!" to morons on the street trying to speak shitty English when you make it clear that you're fine in Korean or Japanese. There's a pre-concieved notion that whites generally don't know shit about the way things work there, from eating with chopsticks, to social norms, etc... Even when someone has lived there their entire lives they still get that kind of treatment.

On the other hand, Whites do have an amount of privelege here. IF all the Asian American Activist bitching about the media is taken as a valid point (which it doesn't seem to be for you), there is no equivalent in Korea/Japan. For one, both countries get most hollywood movies and a lot of American TV on broadcast channels. Models in most fashion magazines and street ads have more than their fair share of White representation. Some Japanese girls have this idea that White guys are more gentlemanly and less mysogenistic than their Japanese counterpart. There's this idea that white dudes have bigger schlongs than Korean/Japanese dudes... I could go on and on

White privelege does exist, but the gist of your message is great. Quit bitching and do something to make your life better instead of blaming Whitie for every failure.

That usually happens when you have a stereotype or other social stigma attached to you. My previous boss always said that perception is reality. He used some of our coworkers as an example. One worker was always deemed to be a lazy jackass. Even if he decided to change his ways and be more productive than everyone else in the department, he will still be viewed as lazy and treated accordingly. On the other hand, we have a really hard worker and she did alot for the department in the first few years. She got promoted and doesn't really do much of anything these days but as long as her boss has a favorable opinion of her, she will always get treated as such even if she decides to goof off.

The problem is that whites, regardless of whether or not they're in "white" countries, still have social perks because of stereotypes that have been afforded to them. It has turned into minorities are victims of stereotypes regardless of where they are.

If a white guy has a small schlong, it's just *this* white guy. If an Asian guy has a small schlong, it figures because he's Asian. In other words, whites are treated as individuals no matter where they go whereas Asians are nothing but stereotypes and the ones that don't fit into a stereotype, they're unique.

I've always believed in the idea that "control the media and you control the mind" to be very true. As far as I'm concerned, American media, which is exported all over the world, is the most dangerous aspect of American culture and the main driving factor behind enslaving the minds of others, American or otherwise.

It's not a coincidence that minorities have the least amount of influence in Hollywood, media, or the advertising industry.

[AngryABCGirl]

Hey man, I feel most of your post, but this part here is exaggerated.

With the exception of Arudo Debito and his infamous Bathhouse incident, all citizens of Korea and Japan who are White have the same legal rights that any other Korean or Japanese has. White people who are foreign don't have the same rights, the same is basically true of any foreigner anywhere. There's going to be some things they aren't able to do. This might be a lot more in Korea than in other countries (such as not being able to get cell phones or register for certain websites on account of not having a citizen number), but foreigners with the same rights as citizens exists nowhere.

While discrimination against Whites exists in both places, it's almost never anything that matters. From random people on the subway saying "Hey LOOK! It's a whitie!" to morons on the street trying to speak shitty English when you make it clear that you're fine in Korean or Japanese. There's a pre-concieved notion that whites generally don't know shit about the way things work there, from eating with chopsticks, to social norms, etc... Even when someone has lived there their entire lives they still get that kind of treatment.

On the other hand, Whites do have an amount of privelege here. IF all the Asian American Activist bitching about the media is taken as a valid point (which it doesn't seem to be for you), there is no equivalent in Korea/Japan. For one, both countries get most hollywood movies and a lot of American TV on broadcast channels. Models in most fashion magazines and street ads have more than their fair share of White representation. Some Japanese girls have this idea that White guys are more gentlemanly and less mysogenistic than their Japanese counterpart. There's this idea that white dudes have bigger schlongs than Korean/Japanese dudes... I could go on and on

White privelege does exist, but the gist of your message is great. Quit bitching and do something to make your life better instead of blaming Whitie for every failure.

This is pretty much the same case in Taiwan. Plus Taiwan tends to have an inferiority complex to other countries, but this has more to do with its own unfortunate history and lack of firm identity more than anything else, but White people can get away with a lot more things than other Asians from other Asian countries of Westernized Asians. People have this idea white people = crazy and violent and not to be messed with because of all the movies.

Just a tip though, if you want people to take your seriously don't keep spelling pussy wrong, or better yet, don't use a word that's in use by children or frat boys and an adult.

[aznstud99]

epmd,

i don't think its a crime to complain or point out social problems that we are facing. The IR imbalance is real and backed up research and not something that we just decided to make up one day.

That said, i do agree that sitting around blaming the white man is futile and somewhat misguided. There are problems, and complaining and pointing them out is important, especially to raise social awareness. but action must follow. yes, we don't have enough asians in Hollywood, media, advertising, and i'll throw in politics, too, but it is up to us to go into these fields and make changes. or let our children know that its okay to go into any field they want.

and yes, the IR imbalance is real, but it's not like its impossible for an AM to get ladies. we just gotta be more assertive and self confident.
and I firmly believe having money doesn't hurt either. :) remember, IMO,the most important color in society is green.

[tripostrophe]

wow there's a lot of misogyny in the original post and this is a high tension thread and someone who should be addressing this seriously seems to be doing that now.

Anyways, you're right in some respects but it's always a balance between thought and action and I suppose there could be much more action. That being said, I think there are numerous factors preventing this and it's not all the fault of the individual though yes there is a lot of bitterness and cynicism holding us back. But as a personal (not public) challenge to you, I'd like to ask what you yourself have done in this respect.

Personally, I think the reason a lot of these issues remain on the topic, rather than being taken off-topic and into the real world is the lack of education about them -- among maybe half + of the APIA population. So the other half (including me) are talking their heads off in forums and the like, hoping people will listen, hear, join, and do but it's basically preaching to the choir. Personally, I'd like to put my words into action but currently am too cynical about my location to do much. Damn, thanks.

But then again, your arguments could use a bit of work. I have to say, it's a very very very white line of reasoning. It's a "sticks and stones..." + "bootstraps" kind of mentality. I'm pretty sure that nobody here was very quick at all to jump to conclusions based on race before they were enlightened as to what it means to be a person of color in America. They all probably brushed off every racist comment and incident as a trivial thing. It's knowing that kills you, and ignoring it all once again won't help -- only eats away at you. It's a balanced, critical perspective that helps most, not a "colorblind" mentality (i hate you now that I think this is what you're offering).

Asking people to stop complaining will only lead to less discussion of unresolved issues. More helpful would be suggestions on how to effect change in the real world, as some people (e.g. AngryABCGirl) are doing.

[applehead]

quit yo whining.

shit. you're worse than
the asian guys who "gossip" about asian girls
dating white men.
yeah, i'm serious.

[epmd]

quit yo whining.

shit. you're worse than
the asian guys who "gossip" about asian girls
dating white men.
yeah, i'm serious.


yo word b, yo yo yo you serious b

LOL

why you guys keep talking that hip hop shit all the time. but seriously? yeah, I'm complaining.. this is the rant room, there I've got it out now I'm not going to start any more threads on this stuff. but you see how this thread developed, i've struck a nerve with the asian "activists" who do that weak shit I say they do and people who think rationally and positively obviously understand that stupid behaviour of these "activitsts"

[epmd]

wow there's a lot of misogyny in the original post and this is a high tension thread and someone who should be addressing this seriously seems to be doing that now.

Anyways, you're right in some respects but it's always a balance between thought and action and I suppose there could be much more action. That being said, I think there are numerous factors preventing this and it's not all the fault of the individual though yes there is a lot of bitterness and cynicism holding us back. But as a personal (not public) challenge to you, I'd like to ask what you yourself have done in this respect.

Personally, I think the reason a lot of these issues remain on the topic, rather than being taken off-topic and into the real world is the lack of education about them -- among maybe half + of the APIA population. So the other half (including me) are talking their heads off in forums and the like, hoping people will listen, hear, join, and do but it's basically preaching to the choir. Personally, I'd like to put my words into action but currently am too cynical about my location to do much. Damn, thanks.

But then again, your arguments could use a bit of work. I have to say, it's a very very very white line of reasoning. It's a "sticks and stones..." + "bootstraps" kind of mentality. I'm pretty sure that nobody here was very quick at all to jump to conclusions based on race before they were enlightened as to what it means to be a person of color in America. They all probably brushed off every racist comment and incident as a trivial thing. It's knowing that kills you, and ignoring it all once again won't help -- only eats away at you. It's a balanced, critical perspective that helps most, not a "colorblind" mentality (i hate you now that I think this is what you're offering).

Asking people to stop complaining will only lead to less discussion of unresolved issues. More helpful would be suggestions on how to effect change in the real world, as some people (e.g. AngryABCGirl) are doing.

first of all, i'm not a stupid guy. I'm fluent in many languages, I read constantly (in many languages) and I know very very well what goes on in this world. I am very proud of my Korean roots, but I am one man, an individual. An individual cannot and should not speak for others who happen to look or have the same roots as them. this is a fundamental aspect of what I dislike about online Asian "activists," they act and talk in incredibly displeasing ways, then claim to speak for all "asians" and try to explain the whole "asian experience" according to Their Loserhood.

I know that people react to certain situations differently. If anybody wants to behave cowardly or unheroic as the asian "activists" do, it is their choice. but don't try to bring me into it as another Asian.. you are bringing me into by talking about your "asian experiences"

I have no problem discussing racism, or media, or colonialism. just don't act like a PUSSY doing it with over the top self defeating "discussions" about how "IR's" do this and that or how you are emasculated.. No normal Asian man is emasculated. The only Asian man that is emasculated is the gay ones. If the media has emasculated you asian "activists," then do something about it. it has not emasculated me or other normal asian men because it cannot

[epmd]

That usually happens when you have a stereotype or other social stigma attached to you. My previous boss always said that perception is reality. He used some of our coworkers as an example. One worker was always deemed to be a lazy jackass. Even if he decided to change his ways and be more productive than everyone else in the department, he will still be viewed as lazy and treated accordingly. On the other hand, we have a really hard worker and she did alot for the department in the first few years. She got promoted and doesn't really do much of anything these days but as long as her boss has a favorable opinion of her, she will always get treated as such even if she decides to goof off.

The problem is that whites, regardless of whether or not they're in "white" countries, still have social perks because of stereotypes that have been afforded to them. It has turned into minorities are victims of stereotypes regardless of where they are.

If a white guy has a small schlong, it's just *this* white guy. If an Asian guy has a small schlong, it figures because he's Asian. In other words, whites are treated as individuals no matter where they go whereas Asians are nothing but stereotypes and the ones that don't fit into a stereotype, they're unique.

I've always believed in the idea that "control the media and you control the mind" to be very true. As far as I'm concerned, American media, which is exported all over the world, is the most dangerous aspect of American culture and the main driving factor behind enslaving the minds of others, American or otherwise.

It's not a coincidence that minorities have the least amount of influence in Hollywood, media, or the advertising industry.


your boss should be fired for being an unproductive idiot.

as for your whole belief that white people are immune to negative stereotypes and the American media has that much of an influence on people's lives around the world, i suggest you try living in a place like Japan or Korea for a couple years.

In a word, White people are NOT regarded very highly over there, and American movies are treated as cartoons which stereotype Americans (white or black) as gun wielding buffoons who fuck anything that moves.

you, my man, are in a mental prison and do not know much about the world, it may sound harsh, but think about that

[eos]

damn, it took almost 4 pages for you to stop misspelling a word. how many more pages to get you to STFU?

ok, you don't like it when CONCERNED asians TALK about things. so what do you propose we do? march? shiv everyone who emasculates/sexualizes us? how many petitions have YOU signed/started when there's blatant racism running rampant? how many demonstrations have YOU participated in that protested a gross negligence of responsibility?

you, sir, are a hypocrite. with all your disdain for the "whiners and complainers" so obvious, WHY are you here doing the same exact thing?

oh and equating gay asian men with emasculation? you DO know what that word means, yes? it has a negative connotation, almost as if you are saying they have a CHOICE or something.

[rice cracker]

I love how some of you take this So. Personally. The responses seem to reveal more than the original post.

I actually agree with much of the first post. Gossiping about IR couples seen on the street IS lame. Blaming white people for every problem you have (especially dating) is pretty sad. And finally, adopting a persecution complex and constantly playing the race card, well. Guess what I think of that.

Could it all have been said a little better? Yes. But everyone who's taking this personally? The OP fucking SAID he's not trashing anyone here (well, not at first...), so stop clutching your damn pearls. Have a discussion, not a shrieking contest.

Now, I realize this is the Rant Room and things get heated in here but in the words of some dead white lady, "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."

[monkeygone2]

I love how some of you take this So. Personally. The responses seem to reveal more than the original post.

I actually agree with much of the first post. Gossiping about IR couples seen on the street IS lame. Blaming white people for every problem you have (especially dating) is pretty sad. And finally, adopting a persecution complex and constantly playing the race card, well. Guess what I think of that.


i re-read the initial post and my 4 replies and i wish i got that message. but i didn't.
all i got was the comedic online machismo, i just didn't hear the important stuff.

i do volunteer work for organizations, the non-asians in my fam know i've got thier back, & i bitch ALOT about restrictive media portrayals. guilty.

(note to rob: we were online at the same time last night. you could've pm-ed me during my ELEVEN drunken replies to say 'wtf'.)

[rice cracker]

i re-read the initial post and my 4 replies and i wish i got that message. but i didn't.
all i got was the comedic online machismo, i just didn't hear the important stuff.

i do volunteer work for organizations, the non-asians in my fam know i've got thier back, & i bitch ALOT about restrictive media portrayals. guilty.


Fair enough, that's what I meant by my understatement, "Could have been said a little better."

And I'm all over negative media portrayals of Asian Americans. Well, Asians in general, regardless of location. That's where I'm in disagreement with the OP, I mean, you can go around busting stereotypes AND give a shit about seeing AM and AF's portrayed as micro-penised nerds or sexually available skanks. Uh, respectively.

[BeTheReds]

your boss should be fired for being an unproductive idiot.

as for your whole belief that white people are immune to negative stereotypes and the American media has that much of an influence on people's lives around the world, i suggest you try living in a place like Japan or Korea for a couple years.

In a word, White people are NOT regarded very highly over there, and American movies are treated as cartoons which stereotype Americans (white or black) as gun wielding buffoons who fuck anything that moves.

Like I said, I agree with most of what you are saying, but I have to slightly disagree here. Yeah there are some negative stereotypes of whities here, but in general it's not nearly as negative or as harsh as Asians have it in the U.S.

Furthermore, it's irrelevant how whites are treated in Asia, because the activist "bitching" is about how Asians are treated in the US, which is founded on some idea that all people are created equal.

[snow ninja]

if you turn a blind eye to it then you are part of the problem. your complacency means that ignorance is truly bliss. You say we are individuals who shouldn't speak for other asians but when other asians group us all together, who's going to fight for those "individual" rights. Not you, sounds like you are the puzzy at least some people fight back and if there were not people like that then you would still be in the internement camp unable to vote.

Chinese in Canada joined the military first and paved the way for all asians.

Now bow down to China and the Chinese, our time has come and we did it quietly and in a non violent way with our blood, sweat, tears, hardship and heartache..

[Banana]

BTR actually said it best.

Keep in mind that while we must take control of our own problems, there are still many outside influences we must correct which give whites an advantage. Also, Asians and Asian Americans aren't the same.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Hockey is a game where men spend a few hours trying to ram each other with big sticks. Coincidence? Freud would say no.

[snow ninja]

if you turn a blind eye to it then you are part of the problem. your complacency means that ignorance is truly bliss. You say we are individuals who shouldn't speak for other asians but when other asians group us all together, who's going to fight for those "individual" rights. Not you, sounds like you are the puzzy at least some people fight back and if there were not people like that then you would still be in the internement camp unable to vote.

Chinese in Canada joined the military first and paved the way for all asians.

Now bow down to China and the Chinese, our time has come and we did it quietly and in a non violent way with our blood, sweat, tears, hardship and heartache..

i meant other groups mainly the white mainstream

[epmd]

i like this website, they delete IR rants he he, look at this thread go!! striking a nerve with the asian "activists" LOL

[snow ninja]

so are you eric sermon or pmd? are you a wigga korean?

[epmd]

Like I said, I agree with most of what you are saying, but I have to slightly disagree here. Yeah there are some negative stereotypes of whities here, but in general it's not nearly as negative or as harsh as Asians have it in the U.S.

Furthermore, it's irrelevant how whites are treated in Asia, because the activist "bitching" is about how Asians are treated in the US, which is founded on some idea that all people are created equal.

first time I went to Korea back in 2002, I went into a PC bang with my then 21 year old female Korean cousin. I got on yahoo messenger to talk to my friends back home who had webcams, my cousin saw a webcast of my blonde haired, blue eyed muscular "Canadian" friend (the type that a lot of online asian "activists" blame for IR and all that shit) and without any hesitation she reacted "eeeewwwww!! foreigners are disgusting!" (in Korean... "이이이~ 외국인 징그럽다") I asked her really and she said just shoot her head in one of those korean girly ways. dudes, this is how a lot of Koreans see white people, from what i've seen

[epmd]

^^ shoot = shook, i bring up asia because online asian "activists" bring up asia and how whites are supposedly adored and worshipped there etc

[tripostrophe]

I never called you stupid. And if that's your definition of an (online) activist, you have a pretty odd view of things. I don't think speaking for the whole is really that common around here - but I could be wrong, so please provide examples of one person speaking for the group if that is the case. And you may not be stupid, but you really should think a bit harder and recognize that there's a difference between a whiner and the facts that he may appropriate. Emasculation of Asian males in U.S. media is an obvious fact. It's also pretty much common knowledge that the media influences how we perceive things, including people. Put two and two together, please. Even if someone is incredibly bitter and whiny about being an APIA male in America, their experience is based off of facts that many of us can attest to -- even those of us who pretend to have risen above such a petty human construct as race. :tongue:

Okay, the next part I don't really get. So you're really tired of whiners making you look bad, and want to distance yourself from them. Well, ain't happenin'. APIAs will always be seen as part of a collective, rather than individuals, so as long as these people exist, you'll be a part of them. I also sense a bit of self hate, and a longing to be seen as "just another person," rather than another Asian.

If the media is emasculating us, there's always going to be that perception among a group of people. Though it's important not to get hung up over such a small thing, yes. And gay Asian males are emasculated only if being gay also means being feminine. Which is not always the case, surprisingly! And I'd rather engage in discussion to help those who still are letting the stereotypes get to them, rather than pretending that I'm above it all and leaving the weak to die out on their own. I'm happy to be a part of this community.

first of all, i'm not a stupid guy. I'm fluent in many languages, I read constantly (in many languages) and I know very very well what goes on in this world. I am very proud of my Korean roots, but I am one man, an individual. An individual cannot and should not speak for others who happen to look or have the same roots as them. this is a fundamental aspect of what I dislike about online Asian "activists," they act and talk in incredibly displeasing ways, then claim to speak for all "asians" and try to explain the whole "asian experience" according to Their Loserhood.

I know that people react to certain situations differently. If anybody wants to behave cowardly or unheroic as the asian "activists" do, it is their choice. but don't try to bring me into it as another Asian.. you are bringing me into by talking about your "asian experiences"

I have no problem discussing racism, or media, or colonialism. just don't act like a PUSSY doing it with over the top self defeating "discussions" about how "IR's" do this and that or how you are emasculated.. No normal Asian man is emasculated. The only Asian man that is emasculated is the gay ones. If the media has emasculated you asian "activists," then do something about it. it has not emasculated me or other normal asian men because it cannot

[tripostrophe]

Wow okay, empd I'd like to give you my own personal rant.

Complaining about all the shortcomings in a community such as ours, especially in regards to those who are not as proactive in their involvement, will not solve much, if at all. A rallying cry is more effective than a blanket condemnation in trying to get people to from words to action. I'm not saying that we should ignore every problem we have, or let fools be fools, but cynicism is one of the most poisonous things that can hit someone who at least knows something about the APIA identity/community. Sure, there's a lot to be disappointed about, but only by putting in effort will anything change. If you're tired of people whining, join an organization where you can surround yourself with people who get things done, or participate in other discussions. Set something up for these people to get involved. And recognize the root cause of problems, rather than blaming victims for their symptoms. Naw mean, homie?

[epmd]

I never called you stupid. And if that's your definition of an (online) activist, you have a pretty odd view of things. I don't think speaking for the whole is really that common around here - but I could be wrong, so please provide examples of one person speaking for the group if that is the case. And you may not be stupid, but you really should think a bit harder and recognize that there's a difference between a whiner and the facts that he may appropriate. Emasculation of Asian males in U.S. media is an obvious fact. It's also pretty much common knowledge that the media influences how we perceive things, including people. Put two and two together, please. Even if someone is incredibly bitter and whiny about being an APIA male in America, their experience is based off of facts that many of us can attest to -- even those of us who pretend to have risen above such a petty human construct as race. :tongue:

Okay, the next part I don't really get. So you're really tired of whiners making you look bad, and want to distance yourself from them. Well, ain't happenin'. APIAs will always be seen as part of a collective, rather than individuals, so as long as these people exist, you'll be a part of them. I also sense a bit of self hate, and a longing to be seen as "just another person," rather than another Asian.

If the media is emasculating us, there's always going to be that perception among a group of people. Though it's important not to get hung up over such a small thing, yes. And gay Asian males are emasculated only if being gay also means being feminine. Which is not always the case, surprisingly! And I'd rather engage in discussion to help those who still are letting the stereotypes get to them, rather than pretending that I'm above it all and leaving the weak to die out on their own. I'm happy to be a part of this community.

this conversation is absolutely pointless, we are on completely different wavelengths. you are accusing me of not fullfilling my role to my community, as if I were an activist. I am no activist. I am just a normal dude. And you accuse me of caring about other people "making me look bad" when it is you who's worried about how people think about you based on how you percieve the TV emasculates you.

my rant is simple man, read my OP. don't accuse me of things I have nothing to do with

[popculturepooka]

first time I went to Korea back in 2002, I went into a PC bang with my then 21 year old female Korean cousin. I got on yahoo messenger to talk to my friends back home who had webcams, my cousin saw a webcast of my blonde haired, blue eyed muscular "Canadian" friend (the type that a lot of online asian "activists" blame for IR and all that shit) and without any hesitation she reacted "eeeewwwww!! foreigners are disgusting!" (in Korean... "이이이~ 외국인 징그럽다") I asked her really and she said just shoot her head in one of those korean girly ways. dudes, this is how a lot of Koreans see white people, from what i've seen

lol they say the same thing in japan too. too bad it doesn't stop them from dating/marrying foreigners.

she could just be saying that in front of you.

[LaiSteve66]

Ignore racism and it will go away.

[tripostrophe]

this conversation is absolutely pointless, we are on completely different wavelengths. you are accusing me of not fullfilling my role to my community, as if I were an activist. I am no activist. I am just a normal dude. And you accuse me of caring about other people "making me look bad" when it is you who's worried about how people think about you based on how you percieve the TV emasculates you.

my rant is simple man, read my OP. don't accuse me of things I have nothing to do with

Address my arguments or concede a point, don't back off by trivializing an argument you're losing. But if you just want to complain about other people's inaction when you're hardly doing anything at all, go ahead and have your rant. Excuse me, whine. And to be honest, I do care on some level how such stereotypes affect me, but it extends beyond me to the community and the fact that racist stereotypes are there in the first place. But I'm hardly going to let such stereotypes limit my chances for success if I can help it.

But honestly, you have such a disgustingly white analysis of everything. ..And I just realized it was you who started that thread, "Asians a racial minority?" You address arguments very poorly.

[BeTheReds]

first time I went to Korea back in 2002, I went into a PC bang with my then 21 year old female Korean cousin. I got on yahoo messenger to talk to my friends back home who had webcams, my cousin saw a webcast of my blonde haired, blue eyed muscular "Canadian" friend (the type that a lot of online asian "activists" blame for IR and all that shit) and without any hesitation she reacted "eeeewwwww!! foreigners are disgusting!" (in Korean... "이이이~ 외국인 징그럽다") I asked her really and she said just shoot her head in one of those korean girly ways. dudes, this is how a lot of Koreans see white people, from what i've seen

Well sure, some Koreans probably think that way about white people, but I wouldn't say it's anywhere near a majority. I also wouldn't say it's anywhere near a majority for the Koreans who have a thing for foreigners. Therefore, I'd say most are indifferent.

[BeTheReds]

^^ shoot = shook, i bring up asia because online asian "activists" bring up asia and how whites are supposedly adored and worshipped there etc

Well, compare the reaction of Koreans to whites... and to blacks... South Asians... Chinese...

See what I mean? Whites have it better than other types of non-Koreans in Korea....

[BeTheReds]

lol they say the same thing in japan too. too bad it doesn't stop them from dating/marrying foreigners.

she could just be saying that in front of you.

I think it's seperate people who say they are gross and who marry them...

[epmd]

Address my arguments or concede a point, don't back off by trivializing an argument you're losing. But if you just want to complain about other people's inaction when you're hardly doing anything at all, go ahead and have your rant. Excuse me, whine. And to be honest, I do care on some level how such stereotypes affect me, but it extends beyond me to the community and the fact that racist stereotypes are there in the first place. But I'm hardly going to let such stereotypes limit my chances for success if I can help it.

But honestly, you have such a disgustingly white analysis of everything. ..And I just realized it was you who started that thread, "Asians a racial minority?" You address arguments very poorly.

dude, don't give me that BS. I am not an activist and I am not "oppressed" like you percieve yourself to be. you are telling me to address points that I did not bring up or even things I have no experience with. I will concede that SOME Asians are horriblily "oppressed" and are losing in this world.. (You maybe?) but I am not oppressed, do not try to think that I'm following with you online "activism".. you guys act like Pussies so I called you out as Pussies.. yeah I WHINED. This is the Rant Room, so I did it. You are obviously doing the same (Whining) that I'm not down with your loser cause too.

And don't give me anything about losing. It is you who are losing with your negative and self defeating view of the world. Even if I do "lose" because you're convinced that I'm supposed to be a loser like your kind.... alright let's try that.. okay man, I lost, we're losers, we can't get women and we're emasculated..

who lost?

you lost my friend.. get your head out of the sand and start living a life.

[epmd]

Well, compare the reaction of Koreans to whites... and to blacks... South Asians... Chinese...

See what I mean? Whites have it better than other types of non-Koreans in Korea....


yeah all that is true. Korea is a great country, I envy you. Korean females in Shinchon, I-dae, Kangnam =
:smile: :smile: :smile: :smile:

[epmd]

Ignore racism and it will go away.

LOL speaking of which..

[epmd]

my OP rant has one underlying message. For the online asian "activists" I was complaining about: think positively about the world and yourself. it is not that bad. if it is not that bad for me, then it doesn't have to be that bad for you. it's a very positive message. don't let what you percieve as oppression hold you back. you know, I have no hate for any of you online "activists," I would much rather see you people quit being the pussies I like to complain you are go back to being normal men (or women too.. who act like that).. that's all dudes, just stay positive and any personal attacks against me because of my rant only shows your own insecurities

stay positive

[snow ninja]

go read discover vancouver.com search "asians" or "chinese" and come back and tell us this you awesome nice guy.


Edited by rice cracker

[snow ninja]

and you got some nerve calling us pussies,

when's the last time you actually punched someone out?

i bet you are all talk, some of us are pretty militant,

no we aren't pussies, we'd probly beat you up

[rice cracker]

and you got some nerve calling us pussies,

when's the last time you actually punched someone out?

i bet you are all talk, some of us are pretty militant,

no we aren't pussies, we'd probly beat you up

Did you actually read this thread? I think it's been said that the OP is not calling YOU anything. Interesting that you want to take it that way, though.

Also, do try to refrain from threatening people. Nothing screams "WIN!" like an internet tough guy.

[snow ninja]

whoa, tough guy? no, just a guy that reacts violently at times depending on my mood.

i would like to know how many guys epmd has actually fought in his life.

[rice cracker]

And that's relevent...because? I think you should be quiet for a while.

[epmd]

whoa, tough guy? no, just a guy that reacts violently at times depending on my mood.

i would like to know how many guys epmd has actually fought in his life.


HAHAHHA ah man. it's hard to see some just own themselves like that. my rant strike a particular chord with you?

being a man instead of being a pussy involves taking responsibilities for your actions instead of blaming "ccb's" and "wm" and the "media" for the fact that you're still a virgin at 28. the more you try to "discuss" and and "solve" this obvious fact you deeper you sink into your hole.

participate in my Asian Positivity Thread, it'll be good for everyone.. i get the sense you think it's really shitty being asian, trust me it isn't

[monkeygone2]

and you got some nerve calling us pussies,

when's the last time you actually punched someone out?

i bet you are all talk, some of us are pretty militant,

no we aren't pussies, we'd probly beat you up

here's the thing... when guys like you & epmd are so intent on proving that you are manly to a bunch of strangers who'll never see you... i'm not gonna take ANYTHING you say seriously.

yw is important, whether it's addressing global issues or helping some kid in the boonies deal w/ everyday asian american angst.
what do you do, besides working on your online persona?
being an asian activist involves actual labor.

btw, even tho i do more than the average person i know, i don't consider myself an activist at all.

[snow ninja]

it's not shitty being asian, just dont' like being categorized negatively by my race and raise awareness of the issue.

and i will tell you what is shitty, having any insults to any "asian" directed at you.

and no, i aint a virgin foo, are you?

[eos]

btw, even tho i do more than the average person i know, i don't consider myself an activist at all.

karma. it's called being a human.

[Edwin]

well that is an interesting viewpoint, but at the same time there are always going to be morons in this world who do and say things regardless. Believe it or not it's not just non-whites who get harassed the stupid, even white people are egged and sworn at by the same idiots who hurl racial slurs. trying to educate the stupid is a tremendous task, one i have some doubts about being able to succeed. i choose the next best method: work hard, get on your grind and be a success and put as much miles between me and the idiots as possible. i honestly don't care if some idiotic racist is racist or not because that would mean I actually care about them positively or negatively and I SURE AS HELL DO NOT CARE ABOUT SOME RACIST MORON

What if the racist moron was your sister and she bashes her fellow Asians? Would you just sit around like a macho man and ignore that too? Not talking about the problems in our communities will not make it go away but make it worse. Asian cultures like to sweep the bad stuff under the table and not discuss problems in the open. That is one of the biggest faults with Asian societies. It takes more strength to challenge a problem openly than to ignore it and run away.

[snow ninja]

here's the thing... when guys like you & epmd are so intent on proving that you are manly to a bunch of strangers who'll never see you... i'm not gonna take ANYTHING you say seriously.

yw is important, whether it's addressing global issues or helping some kid in the boonies deal w/ everyday asian american angst.
what do you do, besides working on your online persona?
being an asian activist involves actual labor.

btw, even tho i do more than the average person i know, i don't consider myself an activist at all.

i agree

i don't consider myself an activist but i do considering myself actively involved in expressing and contributing to the discussion and enforcement of asian and esp. asian canada/us issues.

And signing a petition, voicing your opinion even beating ppl that disrespect you i think are all parts of asian activism.

[LaiSteve66]

LOL speaking of which..

That was your famous quote at f44s. You have a very trivializing attitude towards racism and you never showed any indication that you learned anything at f44s and I doubt you'll learn anything here. All you did at f44s was make yourself look like a dumbass with stupid quotes like: "ignore racism and it will go away" and threads illustrating how White people have it worse in Asia than Asians do in North America as if it's relavent.

Unlike most people here, I know your history at f44s and I know about your trivializing and patronizing attitude. You see, I was once like you, ignorant and unaware of the issues of Asian America. I grew up in Houston, a wonderful little place where there is no IR disparity, Asians aren't harrased or discriminated against to any significant degree, Asians hold political power and have significant influence. A place where the Asian community is thriving. In short, I have experienced very little racism growing up in Houston. I have not once ever heard any Asian man in real life complain about IR disparity or White guys dating Asian girls. My personal history with racism is probably more similar to yours than most people here.

The difference is I came to yellowworld and learned the Houston Asian experience is not representative of the Asian American experience and that things work differently in other places. Your problem is you simply won't accept what you haven't experienced or seen thus your trivializing attitude. Your contribution at f44s was useless and your contribution here will probably be just as useless and any further discourse with you is a complete waste of time. So with that said, I would like to welcome you to my ignore list.

After all "Ignore racism and it will go away!" Yes!

Have a nice day.

[eos]

and another piece of the puzzle falls into place.....

[epmd]

What if the racist moron was your sister and she bashes her fellow Asians? Would you just sit around like a macho man and ignore that too? Not talking about the problems in our communities will not make it go away but make it worse. Asian cultures like to sweep the bad stuff under the table and not discuss problems in the open. That is one of the biggest faults with Asian societies. It takes more strength to challenge a problem openly than to ignore it and run away.


Well, I will concede that some Asian people become very upset when Asian women "don't date Asian men." but if that is what you consider racism then I will say that you've had a pretty fortunate life.

THIS is racism:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6946810.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/hereford/worcs/6934735.stm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_United_States

If there was open season on Asians in North America and we were being attacked, you KNOW I am be right there fighting back. But getting worked about the dating habits of your sister? refer to my OP

btw: if my sister didn't like Asians, and she was over 18? I would do what my kindergarten teacher told me and MIND MY OWN BUSINESS. She'll see what life is like for a racist person in this world on her own, it's not pretty

[epmd]

That was your famous quote at f44s. You have a very trivializing attitude towards racism and you never showed any indication that you learned anything at f44s and I doubt you'll learn anything here. All you did at f44s was make yourself look like a dumbass with stupid quotes like: "ignore racism and it will go away" and threads illustrating how White people have it worse in Asia than Asians do in North America as if it's relavent.

Unlike most people here, I know your history at f44s and I know about your trivializing and patronizing attitude. You see, I was once like you, ignorant and unaware of the issues of Asian America. I grew up in Houston, a wonderful little place where there is no IR disparity, Asians aren't harrased or discriminated against to any significant degree, Asians hold political power and have significant influence. A place where the Asian community is thriving. In short, I have experienced very little racism growing up in Houston. I have not once ever heard any Asian man in real life complain about IR disparity or White guys dating Asian girls. My personal history with racism is probably more similar to yours than most people here.

The difference is I came to yellowworld and learned the Houston Asian experience is not representative of the Asian American experience and that things work differently in other places. Your problem is you simply won't accept what you haven't experienced or seen thus your trivializing attitude. Your contribution at f44s was useless and your contribution here will probably be just as useless and any further discourse with you is a complete waste of time. So with that said, I would like to welcome you to my ignore list.

After all "Ignore racism and it will go away!" Yes!

Have a nice day.

fighting 44s.. talk about bitter asian girly men.. i'm not down with those "dudes"

[epmd]

everyone here participate in my Asian Positivity Thread.

http://forums.yellowworld.org/showthread.php?t=33429

Let's Celebrate our Asianhood. Asian Pride!!

[cloudzero]

i notice you guys are beating each other up and accusing each other of being virgins. let me tell you now that it is NOT shameful to be a guy and be a virgin. it is an American standard. to be an Asian not being a virgin is what you should be ashamed of

[snow ninja]

^huh?

[epmd]

snow ninja, let's agree to disagree. now let's celebrate our Asianhood here:

http://forums.yellowworld.org/showthread.php?t=33429

Asian pride!!!

[tripostrophe]

Wow, are you from aznz by any chance? I don't quite get your logic -- because you didn't bring up a point, you don't have to address it when someone else does? How's that work? Well, at least you're admitting you're totally inexperienced. You're a blind idiot if you think you're unaffected by matters of race, no matter how much you hate to admit that people might hate you based on matters of race.

And yeesh, stop trying to victimize us and make us out into whining losers. And stop using the term pussies like that, it's annoying. Continue contradicting yourself and backing off though.

Haha, that comment was a bit meta..and have you not been paying attention to what I've been saying for the past few posts? I have not once suggested that we mope around or let the negatives get to us.

How old are you? Are you just here to start a flame war? Honestly, I think you're either trolling, or just very incompetent.

And dude, stop flattering yourself. People aren't pissed because you've struck upon some hidden truth about us -- you're just being an ignorant holier-than-thou asshole, and apparently you derive more pleasure from putting others down for their insecurities than trying to take constructive action to help build them back up. Hmm, possibly a reason to dislike somebody? IDK, you figure it out.

dude, don't give me that BS. I am not an activist and I am not "oppressed" like you percieve yourself to be. you are telling me to address points that I did not bring up or even things I have no experience with. I will concede that SOME Asians are horriblily "oppressed" and are losing in this world.. (You maybe?) but I am not oppressed, do not try to think that I'm following with you online "activism".. you guys act like Pussies so I called you out as Pussies.. yeah I WHINED. This is the Rant Room, so I did it. You are obviously doing the same (Whining) that I'm not down with your loser cause too.

And don't give me anything about losing. It is you who are losing with your negative and self defeating view of the world. Even if I do "lose" because you're convinced that I'm supposed to be a loser like your kind.... alright let's try that.. okay man, I lost, we're losers, we can't get women and we're emasculated..

who lost?

you lost my friend.. get your head out of the sand and start living a life.

[epmd]

^^ this is going to go on and on and on. i have no interest in your "struggle" but if you're asian, you're good enough for me..

particpate:

http://forums.yellowworld.org/showthread.php?t=33429

Asian pride stay positive!!

[Edwin]

Well, I will concede that some Asian people become very upset when Asian women "don't date Asian men." but if that is what you consider racism then I will say that you've had a pretty fortunate life.

THIS is racism:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6946810.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/hereford/worcs/6934735.stm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_United_States

If there was open season on Asians in North America and we were being attacked, you KNOW I am be right there fighting back. But getting worked about the dating habits of your sister? refer to my OP

btw: if my sister didn't like Asians, and she was over 18? I would do what my kindergarten teacher told me and MIND MY OWN BUSINESS. She'll see what life is like for a racist person in this world on her own, it's not pretty

We are not exactly marching in the streets either but you seem to get equally worked up about a bunch of strangers on the internet complaining about a social issue. Why is that? Are you embarrassed they give you and other Asians a bad image? Well maybe, but then you should complain more about self-hating Asians because believe me they do much more damage to our image.

I didn't say anything about dating, I said "bashed Asians". You equated that with dating. So you will not try to educate other Asians that try to dehumanize their brothers & sisters in front of White people? Can't you see that some Whites are TAUGHT racism against Asians by their Asians friends and spouses? People who don't call Whites and Asians on their racism are the weak, frightened, kow-towing ones if you ask me.

[epmd]

^^ it's going to go on forever man. neither one of us is going to change our minds. we're both asian though.. so click here:

http://forums.yellowworld.org/showthread.php?t=33429

and celebrate our asianness. Asian pride!!

[tripostrophe]

You slippery little bugger. I'm glad Lai shed some light on the situation however, and so I think I'll just follow suit and ignore you, minus the block function. And I swear, you're sounding more and more like an asiaphilic troll with every post in that thread.

^^ this is going to go on and on and on. i have no interest in your "struggle" but if you're asian, you're good enough for me..

particpate:

http://forums.yellowworld.org/showthread.php?t=33429

Asian pride stay positive!!

[epmd]

LOL it's going to go on and on and on and on. now we're talking an Asian asiaphilic troll LOL...

nobody is going to change anyone's mind..

let's just try to stay positive:

http://forums.yellowworld.org/showthread.php?t=33429

[snow ninja]

i'm just like you, canadian, grew up in mostly white area. mostly white friends...but i found that alot of whites don't like you doing better than them, and like to think "white is right" i've been called racial slurs. joked at for being chinaman or whatever

usually alot of my peers are pretty ignorant of asians because of the huge number of fobs and hongers,

Ppl are very mainstream here, listen to top 40, do and like trendy things, they like to believe dumb stereotypes and are pretty one track minded around here, the exact type the media likes to influence with their advertising power.

most of them like hockey and i do too but not crazy about it, tatoos, steroids and boob jobs, drugs, make money, what can you do for me? are you cool enough? dumb jock meat head attitudes, and as i grew older, i noticed racism got worse and it infiltrates my peers out of my control because i cant choose who my freinds are freinds with.

I have a suspicion that the tentacles of bigotry and xenophobia have reached all over here because the anti asian sentiment is growing against these bad rich asian foreigners and workers taking jobs and making real estate high.

[epmd]

^^ well, i'm sorry to hear that. i'm in nova scotia, and i found the racial slurs stopped after junior high. looks like you got a struggle over there in BC. we have no multiculturalism here.. it's all white people. i've been to BC, seemed like a great place. anyway.. this is yellow world, we're Asian.. i'm happy enough with that for now

[epmd]

alright people. I'm bowing out of this thread. i have my opinions on the online asian "activist" scene and it's all in the OP. it's highly unlikely that anyone is going to change my mind and judging from those of you that get so mad by my opinions, you're not going to change your minds either. so i will learn to respect your opinions.. i suggest you respect mine. if there's anything you online activists can learn from this, is that there are a lot of viewpoints in the asian community.. at least that's what i've learned. i'm going to concentrate on developing my positive asian thread. have fun

[snow ninja]

buddy, you are completely whitewashed, i am quite a bit too, but the asian is starting to creep back in further at full strength after realization that most whites will never understand you or fully respect you whether intentionally or not. I wish i had more asian friends growing up, and you get demonized for that too it seems. like you're a gang

[bryan4418]

well I am a Korean-Canadian and I am true and proud Asian man, my nationality is Canadian but my ethnicity is Korean first and foremost, it is the defining aspect of my existence, I imagine the centuries and generations of my family that has come this far to create me as a Korean person and I am almost proud to tears. I can and wish for Korean offspring to carry our family's heritage into the infinite future. There is nobody more proud of being an Asian man than me.

Now, here are my rants on some kinds of other Asian people in the same situation as me, yet with a different outlook on things. I have noticed the following traits in some Asian people.. mostly on the internet.. I have not noticed this too much in real life, a little bit but not as much as I've seen on the net. so here's my rant on kinds of asian canadians/americans/australians/etc that i'm really not proud of:

1) Asian males (AM) who care too much about the inter-racial couples (IR) they see on the street.

Is it just me, or this a female's trait. How can you call yourself a man and not only care but actually try to discuss and incredibly try to analyze interracial couples you see or meet? there's a word for this.. it's called GOSSIPING. you will never ever ever gain the respect of your fellow man if Gossping about "IR's" is what you not only do but actually do so much. These "discussions" inevitibly involves the "IR disparity" where apparently there are more "WM/AF" combinations than "AM/WF" combinations. Dudes, you're being puzzies. If you try bringing that puzzy shit up while me and my friends are having beer and watching hockey.. well it just won't go over too well. At the most basic, these "discussions" about "IR" breaks a FUNDAMENTAL RULE you learn in KINDERGARTEN, that is MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. if inter racial couples want to date each other... MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. it is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. secondly, and more embarassingly, TALKING ABOUT/CARING ABOUT/ANALYSING/ TRYING TO FIND "SOLUTIONS" to THIS "PROBLEM" makes you look horribly femine and women like... and THEN you have the audacity to blame your lack of success in dating on this massive "RACIST IR RELATIONSHIPS" or something or other.. well, a basic word of advice fellas: a woman already has a puzzy, she doesn't need another one

2) complaining about "feminization" of asian men in the media.

they complain.. and analyze.. and complain some more about how the media turns asian men feminine.. then the same asian men do the above (gossip about "ir") and talk about Asians are "disadvantaged"
in the dating scene. it seems to be that what these asian "men" are doing has come true. you guys ARE ACTING FEMININE. I have never ever thought of myself as feminine and never have my asian dude friends or cousins. we are men and we act like men. try doing the same.. act like a man be treated like a man, it's simple as that

3) bringing in "white people" to every single Asian conversation. it's always because of white colonialism that "sellout" asian women "don't date AMS" or "white privilege" that makes life miserable for "all" asians or it's white people that control. everyone apparently worships white people and white people can get anything they want and this makes life miserable for all the asians. COME ON PEOPLE. talk about PLAYER HATING and player hating and IMAGINARY PLAYER at that. dudes, have you ever had any white friends? they do not have these easy lives where everything is handed to them. they have to fight and work hard and scrape to get to the top like everyone else. but for some reason.. it is YOU who has the "white worship" who claim everyone else has and is blaming Whites for whatever failures you've come across. that makes YOU a COWARD who can't stand on your own feet. Go to Korea or Japan. White people are NOT WORSHIPPED. white people TREATED LIKE SECOND CLASS CITIZENS there. they are not given any rights of any kind and people constantly make fun of their hairy bodies and long noses. YOU are JEALOUS of what YOU believe is white SUPREMACY and blame everything on White people and then you have the AUDACITY TO THINK OTHER ASIANS AGREE!

4) blaming every little thing on your Asianness. everything is because you're Asian. people look at you "funny" you think it's because you're Asian, someone cuts in line at the supermarket, it's because you're Asian, a white person acts in what you percieve is a little offensive it's because the white person is racist against asians. Do i even have to get into this one. people are a-holes everywhere, it's not just because you're Asian. and guess what, society is rough.. no one is going to give anything to you on silver platter. people are going to spit at you kick you and treat you like shit, Asian or not. BE A MAN AND DEAL WITH IT

there's way more..


Please have more sympathy and understand for your fellow Asians. I too am Korean by the way. Are you a Christian?