Interracial Relationships/Dating Disparity (latest discussions)

[pikachupacabra]

I don't think anyone who hasn't been living in a cave would think that there ISN'T a disparity...but i think the solution isn't to convince people to date asian men so to speak, but to make asian men go out and date people in general.

[tripostrophe]

And I was just thinking -- maybe the IR debate is being blown out of proportion in terms of how much conflict there is. Maybe we all understand where everyone is coming from, but thinking too cynically, like there are more ignorant men/sellouts than there actually are.

I for one hope that every APIA female is aware and conscious of the "dating" hierarchy that exists, but don't expect them to rule out every man who is not APIA as a result of this. As long as they're self-aware (or trying), and mindful of the fact that some men may view them in a racist (as well as sexist) light and all, I'm fine. I believe they're smart enough to make a good choice in a partner who won't be tearing down their identity and self-worth, but rather accepting and supporting them. Well, this is assuming that they have also learned to love themselves/be proud of their identity, rather than acknowledging the stereotypes and hating self.

Yeah and I just recently realized that a lot of the women on this board have sort of been saying that, from the flip side of things. Maybe we're not listening closely enough.

[cloudzero]

I don't think anyone who hasn't been living in a cave would think that there ISN'T a disparity...but i think the solution isn't to convince people to date asian men so to speak, but to make asian men go out and date people in general.

Oh you may be surprised. People who see many AF/WM just stop their thought there. They don't move to consider the effects such as a growing disparity and flaming rants on the internet. Most asians as I see still lack the type of education given from sites like YW in general.

Of course the site would consider both sides. Other than bringing awareness of a disparity to single females, it would also show that the disparity is also a result of the lifestyle of Asian men.

Am I crazy to even consider authoring such a site?

[anachronism]

Here's something that somebody forwarded to me, so I don't know of the source:

I don’t know why some Asian guys get so bent out of shape when they see an Asian woman with a white guy. Don’t get me wrong. When I see a hot Asian girl with a dorky ass white guy, I sometimes think to myself, “Why can’t I be that dorky ass white guy banging the hot Asian chick?”
Now before I get the hate mail, I am a red blooded Asian man. I’ve just learned to look at the bright side of this volatile issue:

1) All relationships end. Ever hear of the “Romeo and Juliet” effect? If two people are drawn together and other people are telling them not to be together, then guess what? The lovebirds want each other even more. Let these couples have their fun, get married, and they’ll soon realize, “My God! I can’t stand this person! What was I thinking?” By the time such women realize they’ve been going out with losers, they’re bitter, old and divorced, and no guy wants them anyway. You just got cock blocked from seven to ten years of marital misery.

2) Not all Asian women who date white guys are that hot. Seriously. Why should I care if some average looking or boring, mousy Asian chick is doing it with a guy “so white and nerdy” or even “hot and purty” (as my white hillbilly friends like to say). I say, “Good riddance!” Hell, ugly women need lovin’ too, and ugly Asian women are no exception. I say it’s better to breed the average to ugly Asian women out of the Asian American population. Which relates to my next point:

3) Nerdy Asian guys need to be bred out of our community. This is the flip side to #2. If dorky Asian men can’t hook up with women, then they can’t reproduce more nerd spawn. No more William Hungs please!

4) We need more hot Hapa women! I love Eurasian women. If two negatives make a positive, then a mousy Asian girl with a pasty white guy should produce hot Hapa offspring. I say Asian women and white guys should get together and participate in this eugenics movement and create a race of super sexy Eurasians.

So the next time you see an Asian female and white male couple, thank them for adding a little chlorine to the Asian American gene pool.

[Asian_Casanova]

White guys and Asian women - what's new?

[LaiSteve66]

Here's something that somebody forwarded to me, so I don't know of the source:

I don’t know why some Asian guys get so bent out of shape when they see an Asian woman with a white guy. Don’t get me wrong. When I see a hot Asian girl with a dorky ass white guy, I sometimes think to myself, “Why can’t I be that dorky ass white guy banging the hot Asian chick?”
Now before I get the hate mail, I am a red blooded Asian man. I’ve just learned to look at the bright side of this volatile issue:

1) All relationships end. Ever hear of the “Romeo and Juliet” effect? If two people are drawn together and other people are telling them not to be together, then guess what? The lovebirds want each other even more. Let these couples have their fun, get married, and they’ll soon realize, “My God! I can’t stand this person! What was I thinking?” By the time such women realize they’ve been going out with losers, they’re bitter, old and divorced, and no guy wants them anyway. You just got cock blocked from seven to ten years of marital misery.

2) Not all Asian women who date white guys are that hot. Seriously. Why should I care if some average looking or boring, mousy Asian chick is doing it with a guy “so white and nerdy” or even “hot and purty” (as my white hillbilly friends like to say). I say, “Good riddance!” Hell, ugly women need lovin’ too, and ugly Asian women are no exception. I say it’s better to breed the average to ugly Asian women out of the Asian American population. Which relates to my next point:

3) Nerdy Asian guys need to be bred out of our community. This is the flip side to #2. If dorky Asian men can’t hook up with women, then they can’t reproduce more nerd spawn. No more William Hungs please!

4) We need more hot Hapa women! I love Eurasian women. If two negatives make a positive, then a mousy Asian girl with a pasty white guy should produce hot Hapa offspring. I say Asian women and white guys should get together and participate in this eugenics movement and create a race of super sexy Eurasians.

So the next time you see an Asian female and white male couple, thank them for adding a little chlorine to the Asian American gene pool.

Are we even supposed to take this seriously?

[Banana]

Umm, to refute #3, what makes you think that a studly Asian guy will breed non-geeky kids?

[eos]

yes...what IS new? how about articles about this "phenomenon"? EUREKA!!! yes! that IS new!!! huzzah!!!!! to the idiot mobile!!

i love exclamation marks!!!! yay!!!

[cloudzero]

OMGGGGGGG, no wonder everyone here at YW is sick of this issue.

You think all AF/WM end in divorce?
You think all hot parents will have hot kids?
You think all hapas are hot?
You are too obsessed with looks to give such little regard to the non-pretty women who are dating out.

To be honest, I don't feel like this is looking at the bright side of things.
It's still a bit bitter if you ask me.


yes...what IS new? how about articles about this "phenomenon"? EUREKA!!! yes! that IS new!!! huzzah!!!!! to the idiot mobile!!

i love exclamation marks!!!! yay!!!

AKANE you should do standup

[SunWuKong]

new thread has been dumped into - i mean merged into - existing thread.

[snow ninja]

Why aren't asian girls instilled from birth like most white girls to stand by their men and stick to them.

what are the differences in dating preference and habits for affluent ligher skinned asian women vs. poor darker asian women from southeast asia? no difference it seems, same white scum shit men.

the general assumption is that asians are too smart, maybe we need to be dumbed down a bit to relate to the regular chick. i think that maybe intelligence is seen as threatening and too cunning. Maybe too rigid or structural.

It seems that the Asian chicks born here aRE int the whole spontaneious kinda dumb funny silly guy that most determined to be successful asian guys aren't usually but i'm not trying to stereotype, just saying that perception is there.

Chicks need to be entertained and high marks and succesful career don't do it alot of times for chicks born here.

anyways, if anyoen want to discuss further, you can do it here or check out my thread at

http://www.urbancitydreams.com/forum/index.php?topic=93.0

it's an interesting read.

[cloudzero]

Why aren't asian girls instilled from birth like most white girls to stand by their men and stick to them.

they have been reinforced from every which way that dating white is the norm. this inlcudes existing IRs, the media, and sometimes even parental suggestions.

why the hell do you bother with bitterasianmen.com?
proclaiming to be bitter does not make you attractive, at the same time this author lists to the world every single flaw of asian men and spawning more losers by lowering their self-esteem and confidence.

[monkeygone2]

Why aren't asian girls instilled from birth like most white girls to stand by their men and stick to them.


Except for the race traitors right?
I know of another forum where you might want to plug your site, snow storm.

what are the differences in dating preference and habits for affluent ligher skinned asian women vs. poor darker asian women from southeast asia?

You're a peach.

the general assumption is that asians are too smart

Don't worry, you're safe.

It seems that the Asian chicks born here aRE int the whole spontaneious kinda dumb funny silly guy

Dip shit, you're giving me Pinkerton Syndrome.

[snow ninja]

hey cloudzero, i just stumbled upon that site today from this site. I never heard of it before.

and monkey, why don't you stfu?

all i'm saying is that these chicks just keep on excluding all the nerdy guys they are even discriminating against tall handsome asians.

I guess its partly true then, that dating another asian is like dating a family member to some. This is even common with white guys i hear. dating whites are like dating a family member.

I was told by a white acquantance that asians usually don't go out with other asians and he was surprised my gf is a vietnames.

which was a bit weird. i guess he means the norm is for asians to go with whites.

[BaiSanghei]

I found that site to be fairly hilarious, nothing wrong with a little venting.

Not all American women, of whatever race, are into "the whole spontaneious kinda dumb funny silly guy" that popular culture promotes as desireable. Just as not all American men want vapid Barbie aspirants. Whenever I find myself watching reality dating shows from the US, I really feel like I must be another species. The women always pick the stupidest, creepiest men. Evolution at work, I guess - let the dumb people have each other. (Not that young men appreciate this, they just want the hot chick, no matter how much of a bimbo/bitch she is.)

[Banana]

The reason why other ethnic women seem to be more loyal is because white men aren't willing to date them as much as Asian women. Asian women seem to be less loyal is because white men have made them acceptable as mates while black and latinas are less acceptable.

That's why Asian women are more likely to seem disloyal compared to black and latinas. If white men declared Asian women as ugly and black women as the next best thing, you'd see many more black women dissing black men.

Couple that with America's acceptance of socially abusing Asians, you'll see more Asian women attempting to be accepted into the white power structure by dissing their own.

This is why I find Asian women who prefer or only date Asian men as being exceptionally strong. I'm sure I'll catch flak for that statement but it's how I feel.

[snow ninja]

when i see a good looking couple, a young asian guy and a hot asian girl it makes me kinda happy.

i think here in vancouver, most asians are with other asians but there is a large percentage caucasion/asian too. east indian and black is moving in on the popularty of AF. I've seen arabs the other day too. weird stuff.

they must hate us alot to try to escape us that bad.

[monkeygone2]

my gf is a vietnames.


Good for you. What's her vietname?

what are the differences in dating preference and habits for affluent ligher skinned asian women vs. poor darker asian women from southeast asia? no difference it seems, same white scum shit men.

Is she a backward jungle Asian?

[snow ninja]

well not that she's raised in canada, but there are many jungle asians

[eos]

This is why I find Asian women who prefer or only date Asian men as being exceptionally strong. I'm sure I'll catch flak for that statement but it's how I feel.

why yes, i AM fucking strong. i've dated hot, nerdy, and fobby asian guys. i love them all and will continue to ONLY date asian. so fuck your generalizations and bullshit. stfu. (not directed at banana)

[pikachupacabra]

why yes, i AM fucking strong. i've dated hot, nerdy, and fobby asian guys. i love them all and will continue to ONLY date asian. so fuck your generalizations and bullshit. stfu. (not directed at banana)




Like I said before, strong is a lucky guy.

[tripostrophe]

lol @ snow,

wow + thumbsup (no sarcasm) @ banana

[applehead]

well not that she's raised in canada, but there are many jungle asians

imaginary girlfriends don't count.

[monkeygone2]

I'm sure I'll catch flak for that statement but it's how I feel.

Weren’t we just talking about this over coffee? Was that you? LOL

I agree w/ you. Speak your mind.
Because this is such a tiring subject, many Asian guys shy away from this issue out of exhaustion, boredom, or fear of looking like a douch.
But if every level headed person kept quiet about this issue, then the only vocal people would be the wing-nuts who believe Asian girls are obligated to date them and white = “same scum shit”.

And yeah, militant AAgirls are hot.

[deez nuts]

i was walking around tyson's galleria in virginia two weekends ago with my white girlfriend looking sharp as always - i think i was sporting the 7 jeans and a bamboo fabric t-shirt by armani . we walked pass these group of short chinese girls and i overheard one of them say in mandarin, "what a waste. he's dating a white girl" and they gave my girlfriend this dirty look. i looked back at them and said "what the hell are you looking at, you smurfs?" and "told em to grow another 3-5 inches" in mandarin. asian women can be so annoying especially the short ones.

then there was this am/wf couple when we had dinner at the legal seafoods there. i saw the guy staring at us and we both gave each other a mental high five followed with the win at life nod.

[AngryABCGirl]

The reason why other ethnic women seem to be more loyal is because white men aren't willing to date them as much as Asian women. Asian women seem to be less loyal is because white men have made them acceptable as mates while black and latinas are less acceptable.

That's why Asian women are more likely to seem disloyal compared to black and latinas. If white men declared Asian women as ugly and black women as the next best thing, you'd see many more black women dissing black men.

Couple that with America's acceptance of socially abusing Asians, you'll see more Asian women attempting to be accepted into the white power structure by dissing their own.

This is why I find Asian women who prefer or only date Asian men as being exceptionally strong. I'm sure I'll catch flak for that statement but it's how I feel.

Wow that's a really nice compliment. You're giving us way too much credit, hehehe, although it's nice to hear in a way from all the Asian women bashing of late. You do make some good points though about the image of an Asian woman being more datable and easier to bring home that than a Black woman or a darker-skinned South Asian woman. There's the exception for the light-skinned Latina too I think.

For me personally, and this is the same with a lot of my girlfriends from
LA or Norcal who grew up in predominantly Asian communities and then went to universities with large Asian populations, is that we straight up have a lot more in common with Asian men, with in political outlook and culturally.

I don't really have that much in common in terms of larger world views and tastes with White men or White people for that matter. It's not like I can't get along with them or something, but an intimate relationship is kind of out of the question. What's the point if you can't really understand each other or backgrounds? That and I don't really find White men that attractive compared to Asian men. It probably has a lot to do with growing up with Asians and watching a lot of Asian media growing up. The biggest craze in my high school years was F4 and Meteor Garden.

Like I can't imagine dating someone who wouldn't be able to sing at KTV with me or be able to talk to my family in Chinese or understand why I'm so passionate about community work and even consider myself a person of color etc. It just really doesn't make sense to me, but I'm really different from Asian girl who had to grow up not fitting in in a White neighborhood, and I'm pretty anal retentive about being with people I have a lot in common with.

[cloudzero]

This is why I find Asian women who prefer or only date Asian men as being exceptionally strong. I'm sure I'll catch flak for that statement but it's how I feel.

why do they have to be strong to love asian dudes.
cant they love us because we're beautiful?


Like I can't imagine dating someone who wouldn't be able to sing at KTV with me or be able to talk to my family in Chinese or understand why I'm so passionate about community work and even consider myself a person of color etc. It just really doesn't make sense to me, but I'm really different from Asian girl who had to grow up not fitting in in a White neighborhood, and I'm pretty anal retentive about being with people I have a lot in common with.

in addition to physical attractiveness, these are the same reason why i cant date white girls. even though i donno what KTV is.
wow, the difference between girls like you and some of the asian-excluding girls i know.
avoids talking in chinese and anything that is considered asian
how do girls become like this

[Banana]

It's funny that the only ones who I've talked to about this issue who are willing to listen and actually understand have been non-Asian women.

[deez nuts]

It's funny that the only ones who I've talked to about this issue who are willing to listen and actually understand have been non-Asian women.

that's probably cuz the asian women you've encountered have been hardened and their heart has grown cold because they faced both racism and sexism and also from being hypersexualized by the american media.

[cloudzero]

It's funny that the only ones who I've talked to about this issue who are willing to listen and actually understand have been non-Asian women.

base on own my experiences, i found it easy to convince the girls around me to change their minds, i just wished i had a bigger audience.

how many asian girls did you attempt to talk to about it????

[Napoleon Chynamite]

It's funny that the only ones who I've talked to about this issue who are willing to listen and actually understand have been non-Asian women.

Or maybe because all the Asian women have heard this story a million times from douchebag Asian guys whereas non-Asian women are still curious and wonder what the deal is. I've said it a million times and I'll say it again, I have yet to see anything positive at all (for Asian people in general) come out of these discussions. Even as an Asian guy looking back at the history of shitty hypocritical attitudes in the past I get offended and ashamed because I'm afraid to become associated with the patheticism of a lot of the posts, and frankly, I became unwilling to listen a long time ago. Trust me when I say that the Asian (or Asian male) image is actually getting worse from all this than better. It's almost gotten to the point where whenever I see a new thread started re: IR I automatically assume that person is an idiot.

If people are doing zip (beyond complaining to anonymous people online) for the APIA community(s) as a whole and are only out to improve their own chances of scoring nookie, I have absolutely zero sympathy.

[Banana]

Perhaps but I doubt many even know they're being hypersexualized by the media any more than they know Asian are emasculated.

[AngryABCGirl]

Perhaps but I doubt many even know they're being hypersexualized by the media any more than they know Asian are emasculated.

I'm pretty sure most Asian women have realizations, no matter if they're ghetto ethnic girl or whitewashed suburb girl, because of all the uncouth jokes hurled toward us, the "hey sucky fucky" type crap that I think most of us have all encountered.

What depends those, is how they react to it. I think people do have a tendency to bend to stereotypes and roles perscribed to them by society afterwhile unless they actively think against it, which is why to answer a previous question why some Asian American women turn out the way they do in trying to assimilate into White anglo culture, even if that means bashing on their own people. There are studies about this in academia that explain this a lot better, but I'll try. The jist of it is that minority groups, whether it's the uncle tom route or Asian women dating White men issue, is that by separating themselves from their ethnicity they can rise above their people and above the racism that keeps them down in society, but the in fact end up getting dragged deeper into it and at a greater cost to their community at large.

[Asian_Casanova]

The reason why other ethnic women seem to be more loyal is because white men aren't willing to date them as much as Asian women. Asian women seem to be less loyal is because white men have made them acceptable as mates while black and latinas are less acceptable.

That's why Asian women are more likely to seem disloyal compared to black and latinas. If white men declared Asian women as ugly and black women as the next best thing, you'd see many more black women dissing black men.

Couple that with America's acceptance of socially abusing Asians, you'll see more Asian women attempting to be accepted into the white power structure by dissing their own.

This is why I find Asian women who prefer or only date Asian men as being exceptionally strong. I'm sure I'll catch flak for that statement but it's how I feel.

Uhh, wrong bro IMO. Do you feel that Asian women are really that stupid as to be led by the media? I think you underestimate Asian women - not saying it is wrong or anything, they can date whoever they want if it means they're happy.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

^ Yea of course white boy, Asian women just love dating white men just because. No media involved here.

Further proof why I'm wasting my time reading about IR here.

[cloudzero]

^ Yea of course white boy, Asian women just love dating white men just because. No media involved here.

Further proof why I'm wasting my time reading about IR here.

you've expressed over and over again that you don't like seeing these types of discussions. i definitely agree with you when no productivity results from it. but not all of us are like Asian_Casanova. how about my wanting to create a viral site geared toward informing single asian females? is this something you would respect?

Uhh, wrong bro IMO. Do you feel that Asian women are really that stupid as to be led by the media? I think you underestimate Asian women - not saying it is wrong or anything, they can date whoever they want if it means they're happy.

What are you going to do to make the situation better? I believe this is the second time I've asked you this. If your point is "asian men are screwed, asian women are happier with white, gameover" then what do you want as a response? "yea, your right man,....tough" this is exactly what Napoleon Chynamite is saying. I and so many others want to see productivity.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Why aren't asian girls instilled from birth like most white girls to stand by their men and stick to them.

From my experiences this actually seems to be the case, that Asian women are instilled to marry within their own culture, but this is more ethnicity based rather than "marry Asian" in general. Among Asian Americans here there is the mentality of sticking with other Asians type thing, although I'm not so sure I support or agree with it since I've gotten bad stares or condescending looks from Asian people whenever I'm with my white friends. I noticed this a lot in college. On the other hand, some of my white friends make ignorant comments about Asian people and get surprised when I tell them to stfu so the retardedness always goes both ways.

[AngryABCGirl]

From my experiences this actually seems to be the case, that Asian women are instilled to marry within their own culture, but this is more ethnicity based rather than "marry Asian" in general. Among Asian Americans here there is the mentality of sticking with other Asians type thing, although I'm not so sure I support or agree with it since I've gotten bad stares or condescending looks from Asian people whenever I'm with my white friends. I noticed this a lot in college. On the other hand, some of my white friends make ignorant comments about Asian people and get surprised when I tell them to stfu so the retardedness always goes both ways.

I think women in general have the role of being the "bearer of culture" and just to be protected in general. Depends on individual family situation I guess. There's a difference between sticking together for mutual community support and being exclusive jackasses. Although it's a pretty natural process to me for Asians to gravitate each other, you have to look out of your own landscape to get a grip of the broader picture.

I got some of those bad stares too in my earlier years in college. When I first when to college I was just interested in meeting different people and trying out different activities and made a lot of White friends and just good friends of people in different backgrounds in general - who I am still keep in contact with to this day even in Asia. It did bother me a lot considering I felt both a lot culturally Asian and was doing a lot more things in trying to learn how to work for my community then say the Asian frat and sorority types sticking together and plus living at home away for the first time and feeling like a fish out of water didn't help.

It's not like hanging out people who aren't Asian decreased my Asian quotient, if anyone turned out to be a hater I just kept them out of my life. If anything it really helped me learn about different perspectives and ultimately understand myself better as a person and also understand the world better. I think that's why the number one thing I miss being in Asia is the diversity.

I think people are still very insecure in earlier years in college in and not figuring out only their ethnic identity, but growing out of the pains of their childhood and teenage experiences, at least this was the case for me. Some people just really never get out that stage though.

[deez nuts]

Further proof why I'm wasting my time reading about IR here.

IR threads are like looking at a car wreck when you're driving. everybody slows down to look at em and talk about em.

[Banana]

I also wanted to add another interesting perspective where it focuses on why the disparity is so incredibly skewed.

Just a few days ago, I've talked to two white friends that have dated Asian women in the past but are now married to white women. Someone also mentioned this to me last week. He stated that in their group of friends, they always have one mousy white guy who is socially inept. He keeps to himself and is obviously intimidated by women. When women chat with their group, he smiles and keeps to himself.

However, he's noticed that when an Asian woman walks into the bar and sits down, this head perks up and his chest flares out to which he has no problems going up to this Asian woman and chatting with her.

Suffice to say, white men believe Asian women to be "home runs" or "easy" to talk to as if Asian women are glad that a white man is talking to them. My two white friends have confirmed this.

What surprised me is that the sole reason why they believe Asian women are "instant hits" are because of the huge outmarriage rate of Asian women in the first place. They rationalize that the reason why there are so many Asian women with white men is because Asian women want white men. Thus, it's a vicious circle that keeps perpetuating itself.

Until Asian women have the stigma of giving Asian men priority over everyone else, like black and Hispanic women, this will continue to happen. Right now, white men believe that Asian women would rather date white men or, at least, believe white men are interchangeable with Asian men.



Also, in regards to Napoleon, I don't think it really has anything to do with getting with these Asian women. Take me, for example. I gauge my attractiveness on what my own race thinks of me. The logical argument is that if my own race doesn't find me attractive, how would any other race of women out there? You look inwards for acceptance.

While interracial marriage is unavoidable when you have so many different races in one area, the fact that a massive portion of Asian women involved in one will have a psychological effect on how one views themselves. If 10% of Asian women are with white men, that's what would be called "normal" percentages. However, when 30% of Asian women are with white men, that's a little too close for comfort.

I'm sure that many Asian men don't really think of it in terms of getting laid because the most often used statement is "why isn't she with one of US (as in Asian men)" rather than "why isn't she with ME?"

Therefore, many Asian men question their own attractiveness which leads to demoralization of a huge segment of Asian men. This, honestly, is very important to Asian America.

[deez nuts]

honestly, i don't even know why the IR disparity exists. i or my asian buds have never ever had a problem bagging an asian chick. in fact, on many occasions, we had to turn them away. there must be a lot of retarded (looks, social skills, iq or any combination of those three) asian men out there. given also the fact that generally women are also somewhat forgiving about looks as long as you don't look like swamp thing looking all deformed and shit, the average asian guy can pretty much scratch off looks from that list so long as he has some semblence of social skills and not give off some initial creepy vibe.

i get checked out and/or approached by asian chicks everywhere i go from here in nyc to some bumblefuck town in north carolina. asian chicks have gone as far as to check me out and/or approach me when i was with a girlfriend or check me out when they're with their boyfriend, asian or non-asian. i had on a few occasions had asian chicks go as far as to give me their phone number when they were with their white, black or asian boyfriends after her boyfriend left her side for a brief moment or had one of her female friends bring the number over to me. i've never had an asian chick give me her phone number when she had a latin boyfriend though, latin heat > me.

asian chicks are the easiest to bag for asian guys. you gotta be a complete retart to not be able to bag one if you're an asian guy.

[Banana]

Eh, maybe I do look like swamp thing. haha

[Napoleon Chynamite]

honestly, i don't even know why the IR disparity exists. i or my asian buds have never ever had a problem bagging an asian chick. in fact, on many occasions, we had to turn them away. there must be a lot of retarded (looks, social skills, iq or any combination of those three) asian men out there. given also the fact that generally women are also somewhat forgiving about looks as long as you don't look like swamp thing looking all deformed and shit, the average asian guy can pretty much scratch off looks from that list so long as he has some semblence of social skills and not give off some initial creepy vibe.

i get checked out and/or approached by asian chicks everywhere i go from here in nyc to some bumblefuck town in north carolina. asian chicks have gone as far as to check me out and/or approach me when i was with a girlfriend or check me out when they're with their boyfriend, asian or non-asian. i had on a few occasions had asian chicks go as far as to give me their phone number when they were with their white, black or asian boyfriends after her boyfriend left her side for a brief moment or had one of her female friends bring the number over to me. i've never had an asian chick give me her phone number when she had a latin boyfriend though, latin heat > me.

asian chicks are the easiest to bag for asian guys. you gotta be a complete retart to not be able to bag one if you're an asian guy.

Fujianese power

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Eh, maybe I do look like swamp thing. haha

Dude, I don't know why you're always so negative and hard on yourself. You said so yourself in the past you've dated all types of girls and I'm pretty sure this whole Asian-women-don't-want-me complex is just all in your head. The IR disparity thing exists but it's not even close to the point where it would fuck with your game if you had any. So just get out there. Eeeesh.

[cloudzero]

What can we do about this?


notice that no one will answer this question


i hope its not something against me personally

[Banana]

I got a newsflash for you, buddy.

There is nothing Asian men can do about it. The ball is in the court of Asian women. Until one of two things happen, it'll stay the way it is.

1.) Asian women finally choose to date Asian men over other men.

2.) White men grow tired of Asian women and declare them off limits or not date or marriage worthy.

#2 is not likely to happen so #1 is the only way this will decrease.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

I got a newsflash for you, buddy.

There is nothing Asian men can do about it. The ball is in the court of Asian women. Until one of two things happen, it'll stay the way it is.

1.) Asian women finally choose to date Asian men over other men.

2.) White men grow tired of Asian women and declare them off limits or not date or marriage worthy.

#2 is not likely to happen so #1 is the only way this will decrease.

Newsflash. #1 is true. I have greater problems here with Asian people accepting me and my white friends, even though I can admit that there is no shortage of white douchebag racists. I seriously don't know what sellout spawn AFs you've seen in your lifetime.

I think...I'm going to give up.

[snow ninja]

not whining or making excuses but as an asian guy, generally speaking we have to work harder for less to get what we deserve.

sure there are many rich asians but i'd say alot are coming over here from Asia from almost nothing.

So while the rich white boy has all this leisure time, alot of us asian guys cannot dedicate so much to that since that makes no money.

sorry, if a girl can't see that, and just thinks your some nerd that doesn't know how to have fun, then that's her problem. Life aint all fun and games for everyone.

[cloudzero]

I got a newsflash for you, buddy.

There is nothing Asian men can do about it. The ball is in the court of Asian women. Until one of two things happen, it'll stay the way it is.

1.) Asian women finally choose to date Asian men over other men.

2.) White men grow tired of Asian women and declare them off limits or not date or marriage worthy.

#2 is not likely to happen so #1 is the only way this will decrease.

do you really think #1) or #2) is going to magically happen by itself? IF THERES NOTHING WE CAN DO THEN WHATS THE POINT OF ALL THIS DISCUSSION!?

if that is your mentality then Napoleon Chynamite is right, these discussions are more harmful than good as it turns us into whiners.
for the sake of venting is not worth adding to this self-inflicted portrayal. if the internet is going to get swarmed with this without anything productive, then it is contributing to our self-destruction. yes, if white dudes were in this position they would be whining too, but it doesn't make it right.

what bothers me is that, unlike me, you would probably not talk about this ever again if you landed yourself an Asian girl. but ofcourse, i dont know you and you have every right to tell me thats not true. what makes you think your boy kids won't suffer from this either? and their kids? our brothers? and their kids?

i have converted a few girls myself. isolated incidents? id like to think no, but who really knows? i don't agree that we can't do anything. even if what you are saying turned out true, that it isn't in our power to change the situation, i would still be proud of myself that i tried. if every guy did what i did, it would make a difference. would they change all the girls? no, but one girl is better than none. if i was able to change a few, imagine what it can do in mass.
which leads me to my question you never answered banana:
how many asian girls have you tried talked to about this issue?

[cloudzero]

dont mean to put you on the spot banana, as i already consider you a friend, mutual or not
you dont have to answer my questions if you are not comfortable.
however, i do hope you have some kind of realization out of this
take my statements seriously

[AngryABCGirl]

I got a newsflash for you, buddy.

There is nothing Asian men can do about it. The ball is in the court of Asian women. Until one of two things happen, it'll stay the way it is.

1.) Asian women finally choose to date Asian men over other men.

2.) White men grow tired of Asian women and declare them off limits or not date or marriage worthy.

#2 is not likely to happen so #1 is the only way this will decrease.

I disagree with this. For one thing contributing to a stronger Asian American consciousness would naturally create more ethnic solidarity, I think that's the case I've seen in predominantly Asian areas. Also, there is a lot of sexism in the Asian American community, especially in this minefield of IR dating.

On this board alone, there's a lot more men willing to be mad about and at Asian women dating out than trying to understand or learn about the women's issues. Plus it's a hard thing to admit, but a lot of Asian Americans do grow up in households that are sexist compared to most mainstream American ideals: ie double standards and different standards for sons and daughters and certain notions of feminity to how women should act and also the idea that we own it to Asian men to date them or something or some form of ownership. I think some, not all by any means, Asian American men tend to subconsciously perpetuate these attitudes.

That being said, there's nothing hotter than a man whose socially conscious and cares about this people and doesn't hate them for their problems and whine about it. I've noticed in real life none of the good-looking, intelligent, sociable Asian guys I know don't complain about the IR issue, because it's just not their problem. These are the guys who also realize how detrimental the stereotype Asian women are easy to women and not just them getting a date. On the flip side I've seen lots of socially awkward mofos complain about this issue and say Asian girls only want White guys, wah wah wah, like seriously, how the fuck do you expect to get a date? No woman wants someone who thinks they want to date white men because they're Asian or a man whose bitter about "their women" selling them out.

[deez nuts]

Dude, I don't know why you're always so negative and hard on yourself. You said so yourself in the past you've dated all types of girls and I'm pretty sure this whole Asian-women-don't-want-me complex is just all in your head. The IR disparity thing exists but it's not even close to the point where it would fuck with your game if you had any. So just get out there. Eeeesh.

who gives a shit. hypothetically, it means more msg fur pie for you.



That being said, there's nothing hotter than a man whose socially conscious and cares about this people and doesn't hate them for their problems and whine about it. I've noticed in real life none of the good-looking, intelligent, sociable Asian guys I know don't complain about the IR issue, because it's just not their problem. These are the guys who also realize how detrimental the stereotype Asian women are easy to women and not just them getting a date.

asian women are hypersexualized, they have it tough.

[deez nuts]

It's funny that the only ones who I've talked to about this issue who are willing to listen and actually understand have been non-Asian women.

that is somewhat true. all my white girlfriends when they first read/heard about the IR disparity issue really want to learn more about it and why it happens. i never bring the issue up. it usually starts when they research topics on am/wf relationships on their own, but the issue of the IR disparity always pops up in their research. they then try to engage me in discussion about it, i then give them pretty much an unbiased viewpoint on the matter. my current white girlfriend had a negative impression about asian men - mostly cuz she thought all asian men were 5'5 120 lbs hahaha and never considered dating one till she met me (applaud me, yes applaud me hard). nowadays, she researches the issue from time to time on her own and tries to engage me in conversation about it.

if it makes you feel better, from my experience, for some odd reason it's been mostly the ugly asian american chicks talking about facing racism and sexism and being hypersexualized by the american media over and over again. oh dear god, memories of ugly asian american chicks talking about it constantly at these asian american clubs in college. one of the more vocal asian american chicks on this subject matter really come to mind, she was short, dark, round and worst of all, she had a stache :puke:

so no worth the annual membership fee just to pick up asian american chicks.

[dej2]

Though I'm not as brazen as Deez, I do agree with his opinion. When I was dating... I mostly dated Asian women, mostly Chinese, but quite a few Filipino, a couple of white women to boot, and one Japanese. Though I knew I would end up marrying a Chinese girl. As for Banana, I really don't see why you can't find a nice Asian girl. Admittedly many are white-washed and will not date a Asian guy (My sister for one). But there are still plenty of Asian girls who exclusively date asian guys.

Banana--my only conclusion is that you want a white-washed asian chick. I can tell you that you don't have a shot in hell getting one of those. I love my sister and all-- but from my knowledge of how she thinks... while I totally embrace my asian heritage, she totally detests it. It steams mostly from my dad. Girls in an asian family are kinda second class citizens compared to boys. Boys have a ton more freedoms in terms of later curfews, and doing things with dad... going fishing, shooting, or whatever... my sister was told that it wasn't for girls... hence stay home with mom. This ended up having a profound effect in how she feels about asian men.

If you ever have daughters of your own... never say "girl's can't do (____)". Don't favor your sons over your daughters... If every asian father does this then maybe the attitudes of asian women will change. Now I'm married and have one son and two daughters, I'm determined not to make the same mistakes my father made in raising daughters.

[Banana]

interestingly enough, as I'm reading this thread, I'm talking to a white guy who's dating an Asian American that hates her whole culture. in fact, he wishes she would have more pride.

[cloudzero]

interestingly enough, as I'm reading this thread, I'm talking to a white guy who's dating an Asian American that hates her whole culture. in fact, he wishes she would have more pride.

im guessing there's no way in hell you are allow to talk to her about anything since shes seeing the white guy, but why not focus on the singles?

[AsianEgg]

so degrading this first entry...

[AsianEgg]

not whining or making excuses but as an asian guy, generally speaking we have to work harder for less to get what we deserve.

sure there are many rich asians but i'd say alot are coming over here from Asia from almost nothing.

So while the rich white boy has all this leisure time, alot of us asian guys cannot dedicate so much to that since that makes no money.

sorry, if a girl can't see that, and just thinks your some nerd that doesn't know how to have fun, then that's her problem. Life aint all fun and games for everyone.

True that

FYI: I'm a white girl who loves Asian guys...

[deez nuts]

FYI: I'm a white girl who loves Asian guys...

welcome to yw!

[SunWuKong]

welcome to yw!

oh lordy. :rolleyes:

[AngryABCGirl]

Though I'm not as brazen as Deez, I do agree with his opinion. When I was dating... I mostly dated Asian women, mostly Chinese, but quite a few Filipino, a couple of white women to boot, and one Japanese. Though I knew I would end up marrying a Chinese girl. As for Banana, I really don't see why you can't find a nice Asian girl. Admittedly many are white-washed and will not date a Asian guy (My sister for one). But there are still plenty of Asian girls who exclusively date asian guys.

Banana--my only conclusion is that you want a white-washed asian chick. I can tell you that you don't have a shot in hell getting one of those. I love my sister and all-- but from my knowledge of how she thinks... while I totally embrace my asian heritage, she totally detests it. It steams mostly from my dad. Girls in an asian family are kinda second class citizens compared to boys. Boys have a ton more freedoms in terms of later curfews, and doing things with dad... going fishing, shooting, or whatever... my sister was told that it wasn't for girls... hence stay home with mom. This ended up having a profound effect in how she feels about asian men.

If you ever have daughters of your own... never say "girl's can't do (____)". Don't favor your sons over your daughters... If every asian father does this then maybe the attitudes of asian women will change. Now I'm married and have one son and two daughters, I'm determined not to make the same mistakes my father made in raising daughters.

Good point here no matter what context the discussion.

Yes I'm trying to save a train wreck that has already gone over a cliff and is engulfed in flames.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

True that

FYI: I'm a white girl who loves Asian guys...

I don't believe you.

Troll.

[cloudzero]

^ no wonder theres so few active YW members
or maybe im just inexperienced in this forum

[deez nuts]

I don't believe you.

Troll.

it might be a black chick pretending to be a white chick that's into asian guys. i mean look at her adept and adroit use of ebonics!

[Banana]

i don't see it as a trainwreak. still seems civil.

[deez nuts]

since most of the complaining of IR disparity occurs on yw, let's run down some names of yw asian dudes that hooked up with one or more yw asian chicks.

achtungbaby
sunwukong
ism
deez nuts
dragonknight (i think)
vbkao

there's probably a couple more that i don't know about or forgot about.

SUCCESS!

edit: WE RULE!

[Banana]

Oy, ok. I guess I'll bite.

Though am not really interested in sharing my own personal experiences with everyone here, until I do so, people will never really understand my perspective on the issue.

The problem is I can't write and talk about this subject without a large scale of anger and fury growing inside me and life is too short to be angry all the time. The more I talk about this stupid topic, the more confused I get and I'm tired of it. I'm just tired of feeling pissed off all the time. It just takes so much energy to be angry and it's burning me out. That, with my job, I felt like I was burning the candle at both ends.

Though I've met some great people on message boards and don't regret any of it at all, a large part of me wishes I never read these stupid boards in the first place. I wouldn't have been mind-fucked into thinking that most girls (especially Asian women) don't want Asian guys. I was really confident with who I was until I kept hearing these stories around the country and world as to how Asian women view their men as the dregs of society and how much they hate us.

I'm not saying I'm a completely gullible but after constant bombardment of these stories, movies, and other types of stupid crap related to this issue, it chipped away at the foundation of confidence.

It was in Asia that I realized that Asian women still love Asian men. When I was visiting Shanghai with my mother, she kept telling me that I need to get a girlfriend because local girls keep hounding me with questions about whether or not her "handsome" and "cute" son is single. When I was in Taiwan, my uncle was the person being hounded. They kept saying that Asian American guys are the best because they tend to be foreign enough to be exotic but similar enough to be safe. Also, like I stated in some other thread, it wasn't always about a green card or money because when I went out with some of these local girls, they would constantly grab the check (which I refused) and would ask me if I would consider moving to Taiwan/China.

I think I know every personality on these boards pretty well so I'm going to share a personal story with you all.

When I was young, I grew up hating Asian women. I mean, *really* hate. Despise. If there are other words for "hate," I felt that about Asian women. They were the primary enemies of Asian men. I felt that nothing would change that mentality.

When I was around 8 years old, I had two cousins that were like brothers to me, Jonathan and Danny. Danny is 1 year younger than me. Jonathan was double my age and at 16, still found time to hang out with us both. They also lived right next door to me so it was convenient to play together.

We did everything together; we played baseball, got ice cream, rode our bikes, went swimming, caught fireflies, etc. Every activity you could think of, we did it.

One day, when Danny was off getting his teeth checked, I hopped, skipped, and ran to their house to goof off with Jonathan. He told me to come over the previous day so we can watch Transformers together. At 3:00, my uncle wasn't home yet so Jonathan would be home alone. He always left the backdoor open so Danny and I could come in. He was usually in the living room but today, I didn't see him. The door was unlocked so he must be in the house. I ran upstairs and couldn't find him. Couldn't find him in the basement either. He wasn't in the kitchen either. I finally found him in the garage. In 1986, I was the one to discover that my cousin had hung himself with an extension cord.

My uncle is a really tough guy. He's 6'2" and was a retired major from the Taiwan army. He's very imposing to this day. Do you have any idea what it's like to listen to your uncle next door wail for 5 days straight at night? Especially since it was hot and the windows were open? His screaming still echoes in my head as I type this.

At 12, I was attending middle school and asked a young Asian girl out to a small school dance. He countered that she doesn't like Chinese boys. This was my first encounter with one of these types. I asked a white girl to the dance and she was really happy I asked her. We eventually "dated" for 2 years before I moved.

Before I moved, my uncle let us know why Jonathan had hung himself. He never let Danny and I know why because he felt we wouldn't understand. Bad mistake. The both of us were enraged that the reason why Jonathan had hung himself was because he bumped into not 1, but 3 of these types of Asian women. From that point forward, every single Asian woman he saw with a white man, he felt that they were all the same. He wrote that how can anyone love him if Asian women don't even like him? Keep in mind we lived in a section of New Jersey that was like 94% white.

So, you see, it does have an effect on others. From that point forward when I was in high school (which was 45% Asian), I shunned all Asian women. Just looking at them reminded me how they killed by cousin. Not just a few, all of them. It made me sick just to look at them. My attitude towards Asian women was reflected in my condescending treatment of them. It was tragic because all of friends stated that I had my own Asian girl fan club. Expectedly, all of my girlfriends in high school and college were white, Latina, and black.

It took a trip to Asia to unfuck my mind and I've been feeling guilty about it ever since about how I treated Asian women or Asian people in general. I tried to run away from them but reading all these fuckin' topics is starting to bring those emotions back and I don't want any part of it.

The real tragedy is that my younger cousin Danny never recovered from it and I doubt he ever will. All he dates are white women and his hatred of Asian women hasn't diminished at all. He's also reminded of his hatred because he visits Jonathan's grave every weekend.

He hasn't stopped trying to get me off my Asian girl mentality and I can proudly say that he never will. He keeps telling me to be careful as if only Asian girls can screw over men. I hope this story at least sheds some light on why some individuals are so passionate about this topic and I urge people not to dismiss this as a useless conversation. For me, I'm tired of fighting.

See, I have a love/hate relationship with Asian women. It's not rare for me to feel uncomfortable around Asian women at times and it has taken some time to suppress the feelings of anger I have for them at times but know this, every time I see an Asian woman with a white guy, the feelings come flooding back. I'm glad to say that I'm able to suppress them somewhat quickly.

Some believe I have a right to be angry. Maybe so but I still think it's wrong to feel this way. It's just going to take quite some time to do so.

Hey, it is what it is.

[tripostrophe]

Damn, sorry about all the harsh criticism we laid on you earlier. And for the fact that you had to go through all that. Glad that you've been making progress in how you view Asian women though -- noticed it earlier, but wasn't sure how it happened haha. Good luck with the rest of the journey, and helping your cousin Danny as well.

[Paradox]

Wow Banana, you are seriously screwed up! I mean that in a sympathetic way. I didn't know you went through all that. My experiences with asian-american women have been less than positive at times but it's never been a life traumatizing event. You just have to realize that in America a good portion of the asian-american community is going through racial social pressure and gender divisiveness that is relatively unique in the world.


It was in Asia that I realized that Asian women still love Asian men. When I was visiting Shanghai with my mother, she kept telling me that I need to get a girlfriend because local girls keep hounding me with questions about whether or not her "handsome" and "cute" son is single. When I was in Taiwan, my uncle was the person being hounded. They kept saying that Asian American guys are the best because they tend to be foreign enough to be exotic but similar enough to be safe. Also, like I stated in some other thread, it wasn't always about a green card or money because when I went out with some of these local girls, they would constantly grab the check (which I refused) and would ask me if I would consider moving to Taiwan/China.

Like I have sound countless times living in Asia has brought a measure of peace and has allowed me to think of my own ethnic roots in a different light. It's really the environment and various social pressures that shape people. Whether it's good or bad Asian-american men and women are just a product of a completely different culture. I agree that Asian women who were brought up in Asia are MUCH different. I have to say that i've even met a significant number of hapa women that were brought up in Asia and they are also very very different as well. They are much more inclined to stay in Asia and marry asian husbands. It's a very interesting dynamic and it's the complete opposite of your (our) racially negative experiences in America.

With that being said, don't let your experiences in America effect your view of an entire ethnicity of women. Just realize that the racial situation in America is very perverse and screwed up from an outside global perspective. It's just a combination of centuries of oppression and racial politicization that has misshapen and distorted asian identity. Realize that sometimes you have to go beyond all that to find the truth in it all. The picture we get in America is very distorted and damaging.

[dej2]

Banana, too bad about the incident. I'm sure you're cousin was a nice guy. You know if you would have explained ths situation to us about 20 pages back we may not have had a YW's longest 38 page thread. -- well good luck on dating white women... I wouldn't even recommend you in dating an asian girl, in any relationship it must be centered around trust, compassion and love. Not suspicion, spite and revenge. -- gl

[snow ninja]

why are asians so fucking weak?

There has been some controversy in vancouver regarding the killing of east indian women by family, husbands etc. to save face or embarassemnt etc to the family due to non compliance with arranged marriages etc.

honestly, even tho it's not nice to oppress and control we could learn a thing or two from east indians.

There are some good looking East indian Girls and they all know that if they doing something that the brothers or father don't like, they know that family would kill them sometimes literally, sometimes not, but i've heard that.

East indian chicks just know and are instilled that if you fuck around, you are dead.

Asian chicks need some of this control. They've embarassed us all.

[AngryABCGirl]

Banana-

I'm really sorry to hear about what happened in your family. I think I understand more where you're coming from a lot more now, and for the record I had a feeling for after awhile you weren't the typical kind of male who posts about this topic. Things like this take a long time to recover from, even when they happened years ago, and I wish you and your family the best.

[AngryABCGirl]

Snow Ninja-

You're on some really thin ice right now.

Comments like that show that you're the one that's out of control, pathetic, and weak, and a shame to all men, and not just Asian men.

[snow ninja]

sorry, but look what happens when you give these chicks too much freedom, they go and stab you in the back. The girls have been influenced to become like white chicks/men and look at the divorce rate, unfathered babies, adultery etc.

i apologize if my words seem mean spirtied or those things you said but being partially tormented by society and negative incidents with asian women and the unsympathetic stance by them who are supposed to be your supporters has made me weary and jaded.

so i don't give asian women the benefit of the doubt anymore. From experience, they are not in my good book until proven to me otherwise. The worst are the ones that are worse than white chicks. they even look down on you for being asian, the real self hating ones.

[deez nuts]

the both of you go grudge fuck an asian bitch...go now!

[deez nuts]

why are asians so fucking weak?

There has been some controversy in vancouver regarding the killing of east indian women by family, husbands etc. to save face or embarassemnt etc to the family due to non compliance with arranged marriages etc.

honestly, even tho it's not nice to oppress and control we could learn a thing or two from east indians.

There are some good looking East indian Girls and they all know that if they doing something that the brothers or father don't like, they know that family would kill them sometimes literally, sometimes not, but i've heard that.

East indian chicks just know and are instilled that if you fuck around, you are dead.

Asian chicks need some of this control. They've embarassed us all.

there's no fucking way, i'm learning anything from those dirty rat eating ganges river bathing motherfuckers. what kind of fucking chink are you? thank you come again!

[AngryABCGirl]

sorry, but look what happens when you give these chicks too much freedom, they go and stab you in the back. The girls have been influenced to become like white chicks/men and look at the divorce rate, unfathered babies, adultery etc.

i apologize if my words seem mean spirtied or those things you said but being partially tormented by society and negative incidents with asian women and the unsympathetic stance by them who are supposed to be your supporters has made me weary and jaded.

so i don't give asian women the benefit of the doubt anymore. From experience, they are not in my good book until proven to me otherwise. The worst are the ones that are worse than white chicks. they even look down on you for being asian, the real self hating ones.

Have you ever thought about being critical of men who mistreat women? Why should Asian women not be on the standard of White women? Are we lower and just your sucky fucky toys to serve you? You're a sad walking stereotype of a sexist Asian man and you don't even know it. You deserve all those Asian women who seem to run away from you into the arms of other men.

You're the profile of someone who doesn't respect women at all and therefore hate them when they despise you for it. Women aren't your bitches, we don't owe you shit. You're so fucking pathetic Knowing I'm going back to idiots like you make me not want to return to the US.

I support strong Asian American men, the many of them this board, even they many of them had horrible pasts with their Asian American identities, but they still learn support their people and their sisters. Men like you don't deserve the love of a woman, even from your own mother.

I hope you try to say that stuff in real life to a real Asian American woman and cry like baby when she rips off your balls.

[snow ninja]

well i don't condone learning about wearing turbans or eating curry all the time or anything else East indian, but i do notice the fact that barely any hot east indian chicks go with white/black guys.

and deez, east indians are becoming successful around here like the chinese, they are very entrepreneurial opening up stores and businesses. the whites often say that chinese and east indians are jews of the east.

[cloudzero]

snow ninja dont blame the whole race of women for the mistakes of some. every asian female outdater has a reason for doing so, and believe me there are MANY different reason. they can be anything from subtle to something traumatizing. how many girls can hear a story like banana's and be coldblooded enough to not be affected by it. i think instilling awareness can make a huge difference in these girls. you won't help the cause by marking every girl as guilty until proven innocent because you wont educate.

and please, use a little bit of self judgement. read over your east indian comment. can you imagine this being read by a non-outdating girl and those girls who just aren't aware that outdating is wreaking havoc on the minds of their asian fellas. and im sure u don't want a girl staying with u out of fear


YIKES AngryABCGirl, please calm down, i know the comment is provoking but your scaring me

[deez nuts]

but i do notice the fact that barely any hot east indian chicks go with white/black guys.

that's cuz typically nobody wants them but their own cuz they're dark as hell. hahaha

and deez, east indians are becoming successful around here like the chinese, they are very entrepreneurial opening up stores and businesses. the whites often say that chinese and east indians are jews of the east.

whatever, they smell worse than a bathroom stall in china.

[snow ninja]

woah, i'm not a sexist asian man at all or not too much anyways. I just hope that the asian women can be a good woman and not a masculine white man/woman. That's a problem now a days with low birthrate, people and women don't care about families or children anymore, just career and sexual gratification. Im currently lving with my gf but she is not your typical housewife, she is going to school and works at a medical clinic,

and i don't expect her to be a housewife if you think that i'm sexist and controlling, i just have certain expectations and abuse is not one of them. I think the tradtional role of cooking and cleaning is best for a women. Not because i'm sexist, just that the family needs food

[snow ninja]

that's cuz typically nobody wants them but their own cuz they're dark as hell. hahaha

true, majority of east indian chicks aren't that hot but there are alot of hot ones too. nothing wrong with being a bit dark.



whatever, they smell worse than a bathroom stall in china.

while i agree that there is a gross curried BO smell with some, that's besides the point. We all know BO is not attractive thanks very much.

[cloudzero]

Not because i'm sexist, just that the family needs food

cook it yourself damnit, the only thing a guy can't do is probably nursing
jeese


while i agree that there is a gross curried BO smell with some, that's besides the point. We all know BO is not attractive thanks very much.

there are east indians in this forum, so don't embarrass yourself.
and its not what they eat. when you say curry thats pretty much stereotype man
Russell Peters: "we just expire quicker than other people"

[eos]

YIKES AngryABCGirl, please calm down, i know the comment is provoking but your scaring me

don't tell her to calm down. in fact, don't tell any of us strong asian women to calm down. the mere fact that we have to deal with fucktards like snow ninja and his ilk pisses me off to no end. i'm sure it's the women who have it all wrong and not at all the men who have so much hate in them. yeah, that's it. it's always everyone else's fault but your own.

[deez nuts]

asian women are probably right below white women in the dating hierarchy with white women being the pinnacle of the dating hierarchy.

asian guys have it tough because dating an asian chick doesn't really mean that much cuz i mean the first thing he popped out of was an asian pussy, the first woman he bonds with as a child is an asian woman and the first titties he sucked on was an asian woman's titties. asian women are not that special to an asian man. an asian man dating an asian woman wouldn't be a step up or down on the dating hierarchy ladder but dating any other race of women besides white would be a step down. so the asian male is basically stuck with asian and white.

whereas other race of men other than white have more wiggle room because their own race of women aren't higher up on the dating ladder as asian women.

asian women being so high up on the dating hierarchy also means that asian women have their pickings as to who they want to date and can pretty move freely across interrracial lines just like white women because they are desired.


nothing wrong with being a bit dark.


disgusting. a true chink would know that pasty white is right.

[snow ninja]

^so i guess you don't like a tan and look all pale and frail?

the last thing we need is geting back at each other by outdating which seems to be what is happening within our community. Judging by all the animosity mainly between asian males and females born in NA.

And deez, don't put white women on the pedestal so much. they are women like the others and not much different i've found by personal experience.

[snow ninja]

asian women are probably right below white women in the dating hierarchy with white women being the pinnacle of the dating hierarchy.

asian guys have it tough because dating an asian chick doesn't really mean that much cuz i mean the first thing he popped out of was an asian pussy, the first woman he bonds with as a child is an asian woman and the first titties he sucked on was an asian woman's titties. asian women are not that special to an asian man. an asian man dating an asian woman wouldn't be a step up or down on the dating hierarchy ladder but dating any other race of women besides white would be a step down. so the asian male is basically stuck with asian and white.

whereas other race of men other than white have more wiggle room because their own race of women aren't higher up on the dating ladder as asian women.

asian women being so high up on the dating hierarchy also means that asian women have their pickings as to who they want to date and can pretty move freely across interrracial lines just like white women because they are desired.




disgusting. a true chink would know that pasty white is right.



that's some sad mentality. fuck this dating heirarchy shit, it's all power struggle bs. if i had a choice between a hot white chick and an asian chick i would take both equally.

And i've been with pasty whites before, I had an english white ass and it was so pale it never saw the sun it seemed.

but i like the tanned ass way better on white or asian. you got some weird preferences dude.

[deez nuts]

no way snow ninja, i am the law!

[snow ninja]

ha!

[deez nuts]

. you got some weird preferences dude.

i like the contrast!

[Banana]

ok, *now* the the thread is screwed.

snow ninja, seek help. you're the type of wingnut that shuts these types of topics down. abcgirl and akane have every right to be as pissed as they are.

I still speak up for asian women despite the questionable ones out there because it's the correct thing to do.

[deez nuts]

snow ninjas are probably pretty pasty. shouldn't you be something like jungle ninja or desert ninja or tropical rain forest ninja?

[deez nuts]

why are you a ninja anyways? ninjas are japanese. you're chinese. you should be ashamed of yourself.

[snow ninja]

ha, i'm a bit extreme and a bit troll but when you've felt such anger inside brought upon you by society as well as your own, it changes you a bit. and i'm already a bit violent by nature as you have known me from before. It is because of my family and my environment in this town.

my family they are not your regular chinese family. they are incompatible, argumentitive and overall a terrible childhood growing up with them. everyone in my family left home to fend for themselves. It was due to the fact that my parents are not educated and did not keep up with the times and chose to stagnate. My father was a momma's boy who cant do anything. and my mother is uneducated as well. I'm the only one in my family that has an actual career. My sister didn't even finish high school but i have another that just graduated.

Just thinking about my bum sister who didn't even graduate elemtary school just infuriates me. I think alot of my hate stems from the hatred of my sister and family.

this adds to my extreme nature in dealing direct with issues and lack of patience with stupid people like my parents because they don't understand even just regular talking. maybe their just old but i don't think so, just lazy and stupid to learn anything. They never even learned barely anthing constructive in the last 25 years.

just in case you guys wanted to know a little about me and why i post lkike i do. i do have anger issues at times and was given anger management sheets of info by my gf to read but i didn't yet.

[snow ninja]

yes, snow ninjas are dressed in white and blend into the snow, they hurl grenades and ninja stars and lop heads off.

no i'm not ashamed, the ninja idea came from china long before it was named "ninja"

[deez nuts]

so you have two sisters?

[snow ninja]

yea, and the one has been a nightmare.

she is a giant asian as tall as me and weighs more. She's almost 6'0" and over 200lbs.

she messed up my dads basement suite with here puppy mill and i had to fucking fix the floor and help fix some shit up becuase she is an idiot that cant do anything but cause problems. And her bum friends don't help either.

anyways, back on topic

[deez nuts]

what about the other one?

[snow ninja]

i just saw here yesterday, i should really keep tabs on her more and ask more questions about her personal life but i think she's alot smarter than my bad sister, she is opposite of her but i just hope she doesn't get bad influenced by her kind. i should talk to her about it soon. i should email her. I just hope she doesn't get wrapped up in the wrong crowd.

[deez nuts]

i see. those are very touching stories. i am very moved by them. thank you for sharing. is the other sister almost 6' and over 200 lbs too?

[cloudzero]

^Are they outdaters?

[snow ninja]

they are both tall just the bad one is heavier set. the good one works out and stuff.

this is a bit embarassing but my sister that angers me, she goes for mostly black dudes, idiots, assholes, incompetent. She also went with a redneck white trash and an italian. I actually am glad someone would take her but none are good. She's no prize either. I've given up on her. She is literally a lost cause. she says asian guys aren't tall is what she says but i don't really care what she does really anymore.

My other sister, i don't think she has a boyfriend, but she may be friends with some guys. i dunno, it's very diverse in vancouver but with many asians. She is only like 18 and i haven't really talked to her about how she feels about asian guys.

i dont live with any of them

[Banana]

your posts need to be cut out of this thread imo.

[cloudzero]

they are both tall just the bad one is heavier set. the good one works out and stuff.

this is a bit embarassing but my sister that angers me, she goes for mostly black dudes, idiots, assholes, incompetent. She also went with a redneck white trash and an italian. I actually am glad someone would take her but none are good. She's no prize either. I've given up on her. She is literally a lost cause. she says asian guys aren't tall is what she says but i don't really care what she does really anymore.

My other sister, i don't think she has a boyfriend, but she may be friends with some guys. i dunno, it's very diverse in vancouver but with many asians. She is only like 18 and i haven't really talked to her about how she feels about asian guys.

i dont live with any of them

you have two asian girls on your hands. how can you be in here complaining about girls when you won't do anything to persuade the ones in your own family? the ones you see in the streets holding hands with white dudes could be from a family with brother like you who don't try to make a difference by informing them of this issue.


superficial personalities, i found, are somewhat easy to persuade considering a permanent relationship entails mostly years in which looks are completely gone. very few girls like to admit they are shallow, so just bring it out there.

don't complain until you've done your part

[Banana]

back on topic imo

[pikachupacabra]

A question for anyone here, male or female (to hopefully get this shit back on track)


I often hear people say "oh I don't date X" or "I only date x type of people" with X usually being an ethnicity or race or whatever. I've always been of the mindset of "if she's hot, if she makes me laugh, if I make her laugh, if I can be a giant dork and she loves it and if I don't feel I need to bullshit to impress her, that's mostly all that matters". I've mostly, (maybe 75%?) dated (east) Asian, but it's not the end-all-be all.


My gf only dates asians, and I've asked her why she feels like that, and she's replied that non-asians wouldn't understand what it's like to be an asian-american, and that she finds it harder for non-people of color to relate to things like sexism and subtle oppression since they may have never experienced it themselves. I can understand that I guess.


So my question is...for those of you who say you only date certain groups of people, what do you feel (if you think you even understand why...sometimes it just is what it is and there's no way to describe it I guess?) is your reasoning why you only date some groups and possibly exclude others?

[cloudzero]

^i think abcgirl covered most of my reasons.
communication with and between in-laws, keeping the culture alive, and being able to share things that make us "Asian"

back on topic imo

wasn't my question addressed to snow somewhat relates to the topic?

[deez nuts]

they are both tall just the bad one is heavier set. the good one works out and stuff.


would you say then that she's hot? would you go out with her just strictly based on looks and if she wasn't your sister of course.

[Asian_Casanova]

Snow Ninja has got a good point; E Indian women know there'll be repurcussions if they date out of their race with threats and killings highly likely. Furthermore, they seem to be more attuned to their culture than Asian women in general. Let's ask a simple question: can you name one famous Indian woman married to a non-Indian guy? Furthermore, whilst were at it, can you name a famous individual Black woman married to some non-Black guy? Now compare, how many famous Asian women, Asian-American and Asian, who are either engaged to or are married to non-Asian men?

What are the chances of sweetie pies Wie or Zhang ending up with White guys? If they decide it is best for them then more power to them; who are my to judge? :biggrin:

I don't know why I'm mentioning this but if you're blaming White guys why Asian women prefer them over Asian men you're seriously overestimating the effects of the media, and at the same time you're thinking all people cannot make value judgments for themselves.

[cloudzero]

^Asian_Casanova are you for or against asian women dating out?

[Asian_Casanova]

^ Cloudzero,

If AF's are attractive then you wonder (however, 99.5 % of the time they're not my type; just my subjective view--others may disagree), so I don't mind. No use whining about it--that's why I'm considering initiating an internet WM/AF mail order bride website. There's money to be made and if you can't beat them then join them.
:biggrin:

[eos]

fucker, stop calling women sweetie pie. you need a beat down.

[cloudzero]

^ Cloudzero,

If AF's are attractive then you wonder (however, 99.5 % of the time they're not my type; just my subjective view--others may disagree), so I don't mind. No use whining about it--that's why I'm considering initiating an internet WM/AF mail order bride website. There's money to be made and if you can't beat them then join them.
:biggrin:

OHHH good idea, go right ahead. dont forget to outsource it. you will save a few bucks too

[Geese]

Cloudzero; you have a very good grasp of the situation. You actually already know what needs to be done. If you are looking for more supporters to help you, I would say from my own experience that you would be better off simply doing your own scouting. People will join your cause based on success, word of mouth, and your own outreach attempts to the community.

If I am speaking like the lurker that I am, I will clarify, because contrary to popular belief, all non-White men are subjected to the exact same issues that many Asian American men are dealing with now. I have read a majority of this thread, but actual interaction with Asians and Asian Americans in general always helps.

1) How do you solve this dating out issue?

A) You'd have to do an actual self-analysis first. You'd have to honestly assess your own people. Internal stability is often times the make or break of any group, nationality, race, insert whatever. When there are cracks and holes in the foundation of a group or people, then they must be addressed honestly and openly. So people like Banana need to be encouraged to be honest and open, which took a lotta guts on his part to bare himself like he did and tell people the cause of his pain.

Communication, is crucial, and honesty in that communication humanizes and brings understanding. One of the main reasons why White society continues to stay ahead of most non-White societies, is because they will use a psychologist OR they will bitch and moan at family, about family, yet they'll be the first ones to haul ass to help family... unlike Snow Ninja and many of my own people today who think ME first, without understanding that when you have no WE, then ME becomes pretty fuckin lonely... and useless... the reason why the Indian Nation is no more, is because they did not band together and look at the situation that they were actively, intentionally, being killed off. They now make up 1% of this country, because they refused to face reality, that their are people in this world... who will kill you, your children, your wife, your parents... and then after you've been reduced to dirt, ask that you simply move on... and accept that they are "So sorry... for what happened."

Whites? They're willing to vent with each other, mind you that this has a weird ass side door to it that I'll cover later. Fuck it, I'll cover it now. I was talking to the guy who owns the pizza shop in this neighborhood. He's Armenian. He was fuckin mad as shit that the Blackwomen around here wouldn't give him the time of day, but they would date these losers who couldn't even buy them a slice of pizza. I told him that its because of 300 years of practically being forced to give up pussy to somebody that they knew came from a race that had no respect for her people. So the dating ranking that Deez Nuts listed is actually wrong. The reality is, that during White Imperialism and subjugation, they expended all of their energy conquering South, North and Central America, and the Continent of Africa. Understand that Mexico is not White because after the United States won the Mexican American War, they didn't have enough people or resources to hold the territory... and understand that when I say this... there is a hidden aspect to this. The lack of manpower is not from physically NOT being able to dominate this area, they'd already used various means to subdue, manipulate and mentally enslave many other places... so why didn't they use it here in this instance...

If you never forget anything, always remember that White people, as a race, are a genetically recessive people. They cannot maintain themselves in mass mergers with other races, their genetic make-up is too weak. Thus, Blacks are actually natural enemies to the White race just based off of pure genetics. Asians are much more compatible to Whites genetically, thus your women have become targets in this sense as well. And I will say to you with not one ounce of bullshit, I would rather be where I am, than be in the position that Asian Americans or even Asians are. Much of the White races drive to conquer, has been in an attempt to prolong something that is actually inevitable in a massive global world that lived in harmony... they would become extinct... because they cannot maintain themselves due to their recessive genetic make-up.

Thus the hidden double-meaning behind the "Light-skinned fetish" that has always been a problem in Black America and elsewhere. Whites, learned, and actually knew, that a mass intermingling would annihilate them, especially with a dark-skinned Black woman. So, they tended to rape and manipulate the lighter skinned Black woman. A fact that is known, but also not talked about, is that Black people are NOT all DARK SKINNED! The biased science of White-anthropology tries to assign a slew of variable White anthropological configurations, and then works overtime to limit Blacks to as few as possible. This is one reason why a Kenneth Ang does not encounter but so many Blacks in his so-called classes. Because we've had our forebearers go out and discover sciences and even when we were slaves we knew up from down. We will not entertain Whites in what we have or have not done. Black parents of intelligent children generally make them learn what they have learned, and often times it flies in the face of established White Primary and Secondary education, which means that this child is now telling this White, Black or whomever teacher "That's not what my parents told me."

Little things like this, cause disruption, I know because I have experienced it. And I have gone to school with Blacks who knew up from down and had the history of our people, even without the anchor of which part of Africa we came from. So for a boy like me to challenge someone like Mr. Holton in biology class, about the merits of anthropology, seems awkward... at first... till it is clear that Holton had mentioned the order of dominate and recessive genes and listed how they work. Holton, being a so-called White hippy in his day, did not know that I knew about anthropology and had read long before I had "the honor" of testing into their exclusive little shit hole of a school, that people actually follow this same flow-chart. So I asked him as a student eager to see if my theory was right, about something I'd already learned that tied into this in a HUGE WAY! Holton, not knowing that his answer would actually undermine the already fucked up course of White-anthropology, answered honestly "Yes, White people are genetically recessive and Black people are dominant genetically."

"So then how could Whites be the parents of all races on earth if they cannot produce these other genes?"

I never saw such a look of confusion, and I probably never will again. But he asked what I meant and I told him about what anthropology claimed and that according to this 9th grade class, your genetics lesson clearly shows that Blacks are actually the parent race of all humanity and that all other races can descend from it while practically NONE can create it. I guess his peace loving days were long gone, because the little White kids honestly looked scared. The fear, to see the fear that, all the crap that they'd been told, could actually be a complete fuckin fabrication? Eventually he tried to argue, and nothing seems to be worse to a White person, than having some little 9th grader not only debate, NOT ARGUE, but go point for point and tie-in the lesson of the class, to the reality of the world around them. It gains some "unknown" extra power when it is a little Black kid, then it gains the strength of a hundred kids when it is a little Black boy. He eventually told me to go to the principles office after he actually started screaming at me because his own lessons, his own book, was a clear indication that Whites know up-from-down, and choose to distort it to their favor.

So cloudzero, the first thing that you'd better do, if you want to survive, is try to be as completely honest about your own self, your own people, as brutally honest as possible and as candid as Banana. Because wherever you find faults at, rest assured that that is where you will find Whites, not just WHITE MEN. Trying to crawl and slither in at. The Whites that are genuine, don't need to be searched for. They'll ride or die and go down with the ship just like any other Asian or Black or Latino would. They were there long before it became popular and they observed the way that things were done and did their best to earn respect, not wild arm-flail and draw attention to the fact that they are White and they are here! But the mass-majority? They'll follow the crowd and when the masses decide to fishtail, they'll fishtail right along with them. This element of authoritatively driven conformity, is not/was not, as strong in Latino, American Indian, and Black societies, thus the reason for our wholesale fracturing and in some instances, annihilation. To honestly sit back and believe that another group of human beings would actively spend so much energy to wipe you out, seems almost frighteningly psychotic on both the person thinking about it, and the person who's doing it.

I am well aware that every race/group, has its own criminals, psycho's, etc, but when you have someone who doesn't even look like you, able to trample all over you at will and then have one part of that mass saying "We're not all like that", but another part saying "I'm gonna kill your ass" while you're own options and avenues are being systematically cut-off!? Tch, you'd better listen to your survival instincts. Latino, American Indian and Black societies had authority, but they also had variety and they had space. These places had far more land mass than Europe, so if you didn't get along, just go the fuck over there and shut the fuck up then! GO ON, GET! Start your own shit over there and do whatever the hell ya want, but leave us the fuck alone! You didn't have that in Europe. So for these three races, based off of cultural history, to just mindlessly go along with wholesale slaughtering?

Sorry, but you'll get pockets and some areas that aren't gonna go along with the program, but unless you're gonna conquer all of these areas and then cram them together? Forget about getting everybody to just arbitrarily kill on command and then say I needed to keep up with the Joneses while people are dying right in front of you. This is also the reason why the descendants of these groups are none too passive or trusting of Whites, in any way, as far as Blacks, Latinos and American Indians. While White society claims that people should pursue morality, men should hold doors for women, etc? It has very few actual instances where it took place and they actually PRACTICED WHAT THEY PREACHED WHEN IT MATTERED! Everybody is Billy Badass in the fuckin simulation or safety of a controlled environment, but when you see that these other Whites are looking at you like; You better fuckin shut-up Nigger lover, Chink lover, Spic lover, Squaw lover/Redskin lover or even Ginny lover, Jew lover, etc! You find out how much of a person you are in the face of real adversity, with real consequences.

The White ethnicities that did speak out and continued to not go along with the program were brutalized just like everybody else of Color. The Irish come to mind right off the bat. Mind you, early Irish settlers used to marry Blackwomen and their was intermingling amongst Blacks and the Irish, who were often ridiculed and mocked by White Americans. But in the end, the Irish gave in to "being White". I look White, you look White. Knock off that interbreeding with the Jungle Bunny backwards-ass niggers and we'll cut you some fuckin slack! Potato eatin BITCH!

And they caved. It's easy to say stand up for yourself, much harder to do, not impossible, but much harder when you can become a part of the group with the larger amount of power. The better services, the better hospitals and schools. More respectability, etc.

[deez nuts]

Snow Ninja has got a good point; E Indian women know there'll be repurcussions if they date out of their race with threats and killings highly likely. Furthermore, they seem to be more attuned to their culture than Asian women in general. Let's ask a simple question: can you name one famous Indian woman married to a non-Indian guy? Furthermore, whilst were at it, can you name a famous individual Black woman married to some non-Black guy? Now compare, how many famous Asian women, Asian-American and Asian, who are either engaged to or are married to non-Asian men?

that is true, it is quite comical how a majority of these asian female activists that are featured on yw are married to white or black guys. the most comical being that most of the jap female activists are married to black guys.

but to be fair, i never cared at all about learning more about or paid any attention to any asian activists so my observations has been superficial and just a perfunctory glance on the asian female activists that were featured on yw when they were posted.

one can't help but think if it was any other race, if they would be taken seriously? and would they be committing career suicide?

i for one do not take these so called "asian" activists seriously

[Geese]

As for the Mexican American War?

A massive push by early White America into Mexico would have led to a huge intermingling between Whites and Mexicans (Brown people). If you do your homework on immigration, you will find that much of this countries population of Whites was and still is, heavily drawn from Europe. They get a truckload of incentives and the like, while Blacks are still the least likely to become new citizens. I have been able to successfully gauge White America's dealings with certain countries in Asia, because huge influxes of immigrants from Asian nations tend to come from the international working arrangements and trade that the U.S. has with that country. Masses of Asian immigration are tied almost frighteningly to the date, of instances of major events between White America and its need from a specific Asian area or nation to provide services OR, they have been of service.

The new trick is White Hispanics... for all of the people who honestly believe that Whites at 200 million plus, are gonna become the next minority in this country... please hold your breath, and then read and remember your basic high school social studies, world history and European history classes. Now please stop holding your breath before you lose your life. Whites have worked too hard to pilfer this land and then ask their God, to Bless it. No one will wrestle it from them, as Charlton Heston said about his guns "From my cold dead hand!"

So if these people are so psychotically loyal to the Right to Bare arms, even weapons that make no damn sense unless the Moose are packin SMG's and the ducks now have wing mounted mini-missles! And damn good aim! Chances are that they aren't going to allow a nation that is dictated by numbers and more importantly the standard set by their Forefathers, note, not Forebearers, as in men and women, Forefathers! MEN! So it also needs to be pointed out that any race that can gain any powerful position over White people, will see a marked increase in White women marrying into their men. Ironically, White society is actually quite vulnerable to what it does to other societies, thus the hellish defense of their social-political and economic high-ground. They aren't gonna let go of what it took so much work to get. No amount of Yellow, Black, Red, Brown, PINK PUSSY, is gonna make White men, give up the land of their forefathers and the huge leg-up that they all know they have. It is one reason why you will rarely hear a White person wish to be anything other than White. They will continue to adapt so that they can continue to steal other mens women while pimpin theirs out and then randomly doing a run-in to beat the SHIT OUTTA whoever non-White she married. As long as the numbers are tolerable, then the response will remain helter-skelter and random, but let White women begin dating out in large numbers, AND MARRYING! That is the key word also. Marriage means committment, it means exclusivity and that this man has committed to this woman, and please spare me the sass. White men cheat at ungodly levels and White women take them back at ungodly levels. Whites don't highlight their shortcomings, its counterproductive when you have the high ground.

White Europe, even while fractured as separate countries, made sure to make it clear to the White ethnicities, countries, that wouldn't pariticipate or couldn't participate in the mass Imperial March of the White man's burden that; You don't help us, then you get NOTHING! And they made that a mantra that they used against non-Whites after using it on Whites who refused to go along with the program. Power, once you get a sip of it, some people just won't let it go, even when it is destroying them. During crucial times in American history, governmental policy has marched double-time to create internal stability to push for the growth of the White family and White majority population base. With growth and stability, families can have more children and women are more likely to keep and carry babies to term in this kind of environment.

By the time they got to India, as far as the British, etc. Resources, manpower, you name it. They had hit the wall... the various countries of Europe however, continued to push forward, but look at the reality? By the time the full scale attempt to subjugate China had begun, go and look up how far and wide Europe and her various countries of power had spread! That is one massive fuckin undertaking, and how the fuck do you control all of these fuckin different places!?!? That was also a lot of fuckin in one sentence... because I have found also that White society seems to be rather bizarrely obsessed with penis, which is just... creepy. For all of the savage Black barbarianism that is pushed on Black men, all throughout White history, they have actually carried through on these things to rather frightening levels. Also note, that not a one had any White people in it, as far as natively speaking. Every place that Whites went, they didn't find people like themselves. At best, they found pale-skinned Asians and pale skin is a favorable trait in too many Asian countries, while dark-skin is looked down on.

But still, every place Whites went they found People of Color. But then remember your history, how can a smaller force, control a larger force? You have to get the larger force to turn on itself, then you have to repeat that technique again in some way where you "re-fold" the larger force again, in on itself. Gender would be the second fold, class would be the third fold if you wanted to fold them up that far. These are just from my observations and studies to help my own people. But I have found a total lack of creativity in White Imperialism and White society as a whole. So these techniques were replicated and used on other people of Color and not just Black people. The first fold, the first process of turning the group in on itself is the fact that your foreign ass has conquered them in the first place. Something that the Japanese still can't get past to this day. Anytime I think of how my own people are struggling, worldwide, I can at least take comfort in the fact that they acknowledge, something went on! Undeclare or not, Secret War or not, and we lost. Now we have to move forward. But Japan? Jesus Christ...

No one honestly assess the fact that White Europe, by far, excelled at making weapons that could kill LARGE AMOUNTS OF PEOPLE, QUICKLY! So when you hold the edge in weapons, technology, or you have the mentality of knowing full-well why you are doing what you're doing? You can fight a larger force and keep fighting till you either win, lose, or have to retreat. But within that is also the fact that you had Whites working in EVERY WAY to help assist in this invasion and encirclement. The religious sector of Europe holds so much power to this very day because of two reasons. One, they became central powers of authority in Europe to the point where Kings would request divorces from Rome, while they lived x-amount of miles away!? But two, because many countries in Africa especially, actually repulsed White invasions. Something that the Songhai and Mali Empires are known for historically, but never talked about, which leads to yet another aspect of all of this. When you can't effectively talk to each other, when you have very little mass media forums, can't effectively have general educational tools that reflect the whole story of what happened. Then people can only get one half or a third of the story. Look at the situation in Iraq, look at the situation with the Jena-6. So with no media outlets, then the people who stand to gain the most, call and dictate the shots. So of course they will let you read about how ALL POWERFUL the White people were, and notice? I didn't say White man, I said White people. For all the shit that White men do to White women, her ass stays right there because he has all the power. He can hold G-8 summits and discuss the way things will go, and how it will be done and whether or not things will be honestly addressed... or not.

So this is also a part of how masses of any race of women will migrate to other men of another race. How capable is their own man in providing stability for her, even for himself? This is the problem for Blacks and for Latino's. Blacks keep dragging forward notions of America and all for one, while reality keeps showing that it is all for White and then, crumbs for some. Fear, can also be a major factor in this, so for women, in times of instability, what happens to them in all reality? Nothing good. Men who know that their is a threat but have no means to fight against it will often times become intolerable and downright nasty towards each other and especially to those who are most vulnerable to their pent up frustrations. No one is more affected by this than women. Powerless men, can become their own worse enemy, and they will often take out their desire to deal with whomever this enemy is that they cannot fight, on those closet and dearest. It is no different than caging an animal after agitating it to a frenzy. After a while, anything will do to satisfy its frustration and people can be just as easily pushed and prodded in this same way.

Women are NOT men. Women MUST HAVE STABILITY, just for the sake of the way that their bodies function. They must have healthcare and insurance and a feeling that they can share themselves with a man that can help them, when they can't help themselves. For the children they may or may not have with said man? People can talk that ole Amazon shit and talk about stand by your man, but the reality is when outsiders start dictating to a particular group or native population, a certain percentage of the women AND MEN will marry the more dominantly positioned conquerers/victors. In Europe's ruthless expansion they found that religion was one way to infiltrate places that actually could repulse their armies OR, may be something that the current target is particularly vulnerable to. So if they can/could utilize that, and save manpower, that is what they did.

People of today, try wayyyy too damn hard to dismiss the deliberate, well thought-out and intentional shit that the powerhouses of old Europe used to turn this world into their own personal playground. Asian women are the exotic target to be hunted now they got away the last time. White men have already walked all over South American women, Central American women, American Indian women and Black women. Simply follow the books that are standard High School issue and then do specific research. Many slave owners "found God" after they got pussy-whipped by one of the "Exotic Nubile Native" Cuban, Carolina, Chiliean slave bitches that they were cornholing on a daily fuckin basis and all of a sudden "SLAVERY IS WRONG!!!! OH GOD WHAT HAVE I DONE, yeah just like that, don't fuckin stop, MY GOD!!!! Bitch ya killin meh, YA FUCKIN KILLIN MEH!"

Look up the history of Cuba and you'll find tons of Spanish plantation slave owners who were fuckin the Black slaves and natives slaves at will, then all of a sudden; This is just so fuckin wrong. Look at what we've done to these beautiful people!

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Translation; I found a bitch amongst them, that I MUST HAVE! And I don't want our kids to be thrown to the fuckin wolves!

Mind you, this doesn't include the fact that in many of these places they (Whites) were getting killed whenever they got too brazen! You're not gonna find in the 9th grade text book; And as Jeb was plowing his nigress slave, 10 niggers still bound and chained, beat him to fuckin death for having the audacity to rape one of their own in front of their faces!

Deez Nuts, Latino and Black women are still called the exotic, blah, blah, blah, but White men have a long standing history with these women AND THEIR MEN! The men of these groups... will KILL HIS ASS DEAD in certain instances! Much like White men will kill their asses dead too. AND THAT, makes chasing after these women, much more dangerous than chasing after Asian women. Both Latino's and Black's have had to fight, violently and often, at their own fuckin deaths to show that chained or not, free or not, economically-educationally isolated or not! You will NOT keep running up in our women without their consent! Sorry, but after a while, the hassle over a piece of Black/Latino ass isn't worth it! Meanwhile, with the New Age Niggers of Hip-Hop being what they are. Tony Brown's Journal on 08/05/07 WHYY, Channel 12 in Philadelphia, just confirmed what I knew was gonna happen wayyyyy back in 1989 should "White America", embrace and accept hip-hop. The current amount of Hip-Hop's consumer fanbase is 72% White!

Which means that as I said in some