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peta9
07-30-2007, 10:01 AM
The dangerous part is this type of propaganda is eaten up by and the ignorant majority is duped. Most of the negative stereotypes have been perpetuated by westerners. This is going too far and dangerous.

Aryans: Culture Bearers to China
New Evidence Of Ancient European Migration to the Orient
by Mark Deavin

In July 1996 two students wading in the Columbia River at Kennewick, Washington, stumbled across the skeletal remains of a middle-aged European male. At first anthropologists presumed they had discovered a pioneer who had died in the late 1800's. But radiocarbon dating subsequently showed that the skeleton was a remarkable 9,300 years old. In fact, "Kennewick Man" is the latest in a series of ancient skeletal discoveries which are giving rise to the theory that some of the earliest inhabitants of North America were Europeans who migrated from the Eurasian continent via a land bridge in the Bering Sea near the end of the last Ice Age, about 12,000 years ago. Dr. Robert Bonnischen, director of the Center for the Study of the First Americans at Oregon State University, believes that "Kennewick Man" helps cast doubt on the accuracy of the term "paleo-Indian," which is usually used to describe this period of American prehistory. "Maybe some of these guys were really just paleo-American," he admits.
Of course, such facts pose a major challenge to the Politically Correct version of history, which promotes the idea that White Americans shamefully stole their country from its supposed Indian owners. Not surprisingly, therefore, attempts have been made to prevent the facts about "Kennewick Man" from being made public. Encouraged by the Clinton government, American Indians have made a claim on the skeleton using a 1990 Federal law intended to protect their grave sites. Their declared intention is to bury it immediately in a secret location and prevent further scientific examination and DNA testing. However, eight U.S. anthro pol ogists, who claim that the Indians and the Federal government fear the implications of the discovery, began a legal battle in October 1996 to prevent the secret burial from taking place.
In fact, "Kennewick Man" is an important addition to the growing body of evidence which suggests that during the period of the Upper Paleolithic, between about 10,000 and 35,000 years ago, Whites--i.e., men indistinguishable from modern Europeans--lived not only in Europe, but also in a band stretching across northern Asia to the Pacific. In Siberia and other eastern regions they were eventually displaced and absorbed by Mongoloid peoples, although isolated pockets of European genes have survived in northern Asia until this day. The mixed-raced Ainu people of Japan are an example.
The credibility of this theory has been dramatically strengthened in recent years by the remarkable discovery of more than 100 naturally mummified European corpses, ranging from 2,400 to 4,000 years old, in the Tarim Basin region of western China. Amazingly well preserved by the arid climate in the area, the mummies give evidence of a Nordic people with an advanced culture, splendidly attired in colorful robes, trousers, boots, stockings, coats, and hats. In one large tomb the corpses of three women and one man were discovered. The man, about 55 years old at death, was about six feet tall and had yellowish brown hair that was turning white. One of the better preserved women was close to six feet tall, with yellowish-brown hair dressed in braids.
Items found with the bodies included fur coats, leather mittens, and an ornamental mirror, while the woman also held bags containing small knives and herbs, probably for use as medicines. At Cherchen, on the southern edge of the Taklamakan Desert, the mummified corpse of an infant was found, probably no more than three months old at the time of death, wrapped in brown wool and with its eyes covered with small, flat stones. Next to the head was a drinking cup made from a bovine horn and an ancient "baby bottle" made from a sheep's teat that had been cut and sewn so it could hold milk. One male mummy even had traces of a surgical operation on his neck, with the incision being sewn up with horsehair stitches.
Several European mummies had in fact already been found in the Tarim Basin area early in this century, one of which was reminiscent of a Welsh or Irish woman, and another of a Bohemian burgher. All were dressed in fine clothing, including jaunty caps with feathers stuck in them that bore a striking resemblance to alpine headgear still worn in western Europe today. But these earlier discoveries, not much more than 2,000 years old, were dismissed as the bodies of isolated Europeans who had happened to stray into the territory and so were regarded as being of no cultural or historical significance.
Indeed, modern scholars, attuned to Politically Correct historical fashion, have tended to downplay evidence of any early trade or contact between China and the West during this period, regarding the development of Chinese civilization as an essentially homegrown affair sealed off from outside influences. Any diffusion of people and culture, moreover, was held to have been from east to west, with the Europeans being civilized by the Chinese. The very eminent prehistorian Gordon Childe, for example, in 1958 summed up European prehistory as being the story of "the irradiation of European barbarism by Oriental civilization. "(1)
But the latest mummy finds in the Tarim Basin region are too numerous, too ancient, and too revealing to dismiss in this way. Most important, they have helped to reopen the debate about the role which Europeans played in the origins of civilization in China, with some archeologists again beginning to argue that Europeans might have been responsible for introducing into China such basic items as the wheel and the first metal objects. This is actually reaffirming theories that were advocated at the beginning of the century, but which were subsequently buried in an avalanche of Political Correctness. In 1912, for example, the distinguished Cambridge scholar A.C. Haddon noted in The Wanderings of Peoples the possibility that the progressive element of the old Chinese civilization was due to the migration of a semi-cultured people from the west.
Now, according to Dr. Han Kangxin, a physical anthropologist at the Institute of Archeology in Beijing, the skeletal and mummified evidence clearly points to the fact that the earliest inhabitants of the Tarim Basin region were White people related to the Cro-Magnons of Paleolithic Europe. This theory is supported by Dr. Victor Mair, a specialist in ancient Asian languages and cultures at the University of Pennsylvania, who stimulated the major search which found the mummies. He has emerged as the main advocate of the theory that large groups of Europeans were present in the Tarim Basin long before the area's present inhabitants, suggesting that Turkic speakers did not move into the area until about the eighth century B.C. Subsequently, he believes, the newcomers displaced the Europeans, although the major ethnic group in the area today, the Uygur, includes people with unusually fair hair and complexions.
Actually, evidence of a now-extinct Indo-European people who lived in central Asia has long existed. Known as Tocharians, they are described more accurately as Arsi, which is cognate with Sanskrit arya and Old Persian ariya, meaning "Aryan": "that which is noble or worthy." Their language, which has similarities to the Celtic and Germanic branches of the Indo-European tree, is recorded in manuscripts dated between the sixth and eighth centuries A.D., and solid evidence for its existence can be found as far back as the third century.
Despite the fact that Tocharian manuscripts are found only for the later period, linguists have isolated occasional Tocharian words embedded in manuscripts written in Gandhari Prakrit, a northwest Indian vernacular that served as the administrative language for large parts of the Tarim Basin during the third through the fifth centuries. Also, the Tocharians were earlier known as the Yuezhi (or Ruzhi), to whom references occur in Chinese texts as early as the fifth century B.C., within the time frame of the Tarim Basin mummies.
The Tocharians are vividly displayed in ancient wall paintings at Kizil and Kumtura (near the modern Chinese city K'u-ch'e, in the Tien Shan Mountains north of the Tarim Basin) as aristocratic Europeans, with red or blond hair parted neatly in the middle, long noses, blue or green eyes set in narrow faces, and tall bodies. The Yuezhi from the first century B.C. also are depicted in striking painted statues at Khalchayan (west of the Surkhan River in ancient Bactria). They too are shown to be Europeans with long noses, thin faces, blond hair, pink skin, and bright blue eyes. It is known from historical sources that during the second century B.C. the Greater Yuezhi moved from northwest China to Ferghana and Bactria, which lie on the far side of the Pamirs. From there they moved south across the Hindu Kush into Afghanistan and the northern part of the Indian subcontinent, where they founded the mighty Kushan empire. The latter, in turn, extended its power back into the Tarim Basin and with it spread Buddhism, which eventually reached China.
One hypothesis gaining increasing support is that the migration of these Indo-Europeans began with their invention of wheeled wagons. Working with Russian archeologists, Dr. David W. Anthony, an anthropologist at Hartwick College in New York, has discovered traces of wagon wheels in 5,000-year-old burial mounds on the steppes of southern Russia and Kazakhstan. This line of investigation has a direct bearing on the question of the European mummies in China because tripartite disk wheels similar in construction to those found in western Asia and Europe during the third and second millennium B.C. have been found in the Gobi Desert, northeast of the Tarim Basin. Similarly, spoked wheels dating to the early second millennium B.C. have been unearthed at a site nearby.
Most researchers now agree that the birthplace of horse-drawn vehicles and horse riding was in the steppes of Ukraine, rather than in China or the Near East. As Dr. Anthony and his colleagues have shown through microscopic study of ancient horse teeth, horses already were being harnessed in Ukraine 6,000 years ago. Also, wooden chariots with elaborate, spoked wheels have been shown to date to around 2,000 B.C. in the same area. In comparison, chariots do not appear in China until some 800 years later. Ritual horse burials similar to those in ancient Ukraine also have been excavated in the Tarim Basin, as well as remains of wagon wheels made by doweling together three carved, parallel wooden planks. Wagons with nearly identical wheels are known from the grassy plains of Ukraine as far back as 3,000 B.C.
A number of artifacts recovered from the Tarim Basin mummy burials have provided important evidence for early horse riding. These include a wooden bit and leather reins, a horse whip consisting of a single strip of leather attached to a wooden handle, a wooden cheek piece with leather straps, and a padded leather saddle of exquisite workmanship. This seems to confirm that the mummies belonged to a mobile, horse-riding culture that spread from the plains of eastern Europe. It also supports the growing belief of archeologists that the spread of Indo-European genes, culture, and language may be linked to the gradual spread of horse riding and the technology of horse-drawn vehicles from their origins in Europe 6,000 years ago.
These discoveries have extremely important consequences for understanding the origins of Chinese civilization, since the chariot has now been demonstrated to have entered China only around the middle of the second millennium B.C., at roughly the same time that bronze metallurgy and writing developed there. The evidence suggests, therefore, that wagons and chariots were introduced into China from the west by Indo-Europeans. It also shows that the European penetration of China did not begin with the opening of the transcontinental Silk Road trade route that history books usually place in the second century B.C., but at least 2,000 years earlier at the turn of the Neolithic and Bronze Ages, when the whole of Eurasia became culturally and technologically interconnected by migrating Europeans.
Actually, as early as 1951 the German archeologist Robert Heine-Geldern sought to show a series of similarities between the metalwork of Europe and China around 800 B.C. His evidence included horse gear, two-edged swords, socketed axes, and spearheads, which he believed originated in the Hallstatt and Caucasus metallurgical centers. Arguing that a "Pontic Migration" had taken place from Europe across Asia, he suggested that the Dongson culture of south China could best be explained as the result of influences carried directly from Europe during the 9th and 8th centuries B.C. (2)
Two years later the well known Russian archeologist S. I. Rudenko noted the existence of mummies with European features in the royal tombs of Pazyryk in the Altai mountains, dated to the 5th and 4th centuries B.C. This evidence was subsequently added to by John Haskins of the University of Pittsburgh, who argued that the Yueh-chih (an ancient Chinese name for the Tocharians) of the Pazyryk region of the Altai might have been related to the Celts of continental Europe.
Significantly, the Tarim Basin mummies have provided further evidence which supports Heine-Geldern's theory. Some of the grave goods found with the mummies strongly suggest a connection with the "socketed celt horizon," typified by socketed bronze celts (axes which have bent wooden handles inserted at the end opposite the blade) and other distinctive bronze objects, such as knives with zoomorphic handles. The "socketed celt horizon" is dated roughly 1,800 to 1,000 B.C. stretching across Europe and correlates well with certain facets of a horse-riding and chariot/cart culture which emphasized hunting with composite bows and perhaps crossbows.
Thus, new credence has been given to previously ignored and ridiculed theories for the origins and development of civilization in China. In light of the new evidence, Edwin Pulleyblank of the University of British Columbia recently argued that European influence may have been an important factor in the unification of the Chinese states and the establishment of the first centralized Chinese empire by Ch'in Shih Huang Ti in the year 221 B.C. He points to the external arrival on the Chinese steppe frontier of the military technique of mounted archery, first explicitly mentioned in Chinese sources in the year 307 B.C. In the west mounted archery appears with the Scythians, closely related to the Celts, who are first mentioned in Near Eastern sources around 800 B.C. and whose way of life is described at length by the Greek historian Herodotus. Ironically, it was the technique of mounted archery that defined the classic nomadism that dominated the European steppe and made possible the great steppe empires of the Xiongnu, the Turks, and the Mongols that later terrorized Europe.
Pulleyblank effectively suggests that European technology was copied by the Chinese and turned against its original inventors. Indeed, a suggestive analogy to the spread of mounted archery eastward to the borders of China can be seen in the way in which the acquisition of horses by the Indians from the Spaniards in Mexico and their use in warfare transformed the Great Plains of North America from the seventeenth to the nineteenth centuries. This theory of Mongoloid imitation is also reflected in the many words of Indo-European origin in the earliest known layers of Sinitic languages. These include words for "horse," "track," "cart," "wheel," and "cow" and suggest further that it was Europeans who brought these things into China.
Textile samples from the late second millennium B.C. found in the Tarim Basin graves also provide evidence of the diffusion of European technological sophistication to China. One fragment was a wool twill woven with a plaid design which required looms that have never before been associated with China or eastern Central Asia at such an early date. Irene Good, a specialist in textile archeology at the University of Pennsylvania, has confirmed that the plaid fabric was virtually identical stylistically and technically to textile fragments found in Austria and Germany at sites from a somewhat later period.
Dr. Elizabeth J.W. Barber, a linguist and archeologist at Occidental College in Los Angeles and the author of Prehistoric Textiles (Princeton University Press, 1991), confirms that the Chinese did not use and did not even know twill, but obtained knowledge of the weave from the West, and only after the Han period. Significantly, there appear to be many connections between the Tarim Basin mummies and the 5,000 year old "Ice Man" found in the Austrian Alps in 1991. These include the type and style of clothing, personal artifacts, solar-religious symbolism, and tattoos for healing and decoration--as well, of course, as the distinct racial commonality.
The evidence, therefore, increasingly seems to confirm a Celtic culture extending across Eurasia at least 4,000 years ago. As one academic, James Opie, an expert on design motifs in ancient rugs and bronze implements, has pointed out, it is highly significant that Celtic endless-knot motifs, swastikas, and animal-style decorations have been discovered from Europe, through Iran, to China. The religion of the Celts--including the Scythians--was solar, and three- and four-armed swastikas as solar symbols are an omnipresent element in Celtic art. Likewise, the Tarim Basin Europeans displayed a definite penchant for spiral solar symbols, painting them on their faces and engraving them on the bridles of their horses. This in itself suggests that they were Nordics who were and always have been worshippers of the sun and sky, and more generally of Nature. As Dr. Michael Puett, a historian of East Asian civilization at Harvard University, has argued, the Tarim Basin mummies reveal clear processes of a cultural diffusion from Europe outward.
All of this supports the thesis of the pioneering archeologist Colin Renfrew, who challenged the previously accepted idea that prehistoric culture began in the Near East or Central Asia and was only later "diffused" into "barbarian" Europe. It confirms that the cultural prerequisites for civilization are much, much older in Europe than has been acknowledged, and suggests that far from Europe being civilized from outside, it was rather the rest of the world, including Asia, which was civilized by colonizing Europeans. (3)

peta9
07-30-2007, 10:08 AM
Differing opinions

good article..i knew about half the stuff all ready tho

It was Whites who built the ancient civilization of China.

Whoa. Whites didn't invent everything...just most everything. There's no need to take credit for Chinese civilization and there's no evidence of that either.

I wouldn't bet on that. There were some Japanese and Chinese scientists who dug up some 2500 year old bones, and did some genetic testing on the marrow. Guess what they found out? They were White people.

Looks like Whites got there first, and then had an immigration problem. Hmm. Know any place where that is happening today?

with the technology that they got from Whites.
After the radiation dies down, Whites will return and rebuild China. Just like they built it the first time, before the orientals got there.

What in the hell are you talking about? The orientals have lived in China for far longer than whites have, and if whites ever did live there, they were nomadic and barbaric and not even in the main part of China. Whites never built anything in China, and if we did it was nomadic structures in the Northwest desert areas. Where did you hear such retarded things?

peta9
07-30-2007, 10:18 AM
What's dangerous is they are insinuating they were responsible for every civilization when even if there was some sharing of culture as all cultures do, it was the chinese who developed their own culture. That's why it's disingenuous. If what they are insinuating is true, asian culture would not be so dissimilar to western culture and it is from the writing system to everything else down the line. Actually of all the races, asian culture is almost a polar opposite of western culture and ways of thought.

peta9
07-30-2007, 11:05 AM
It makes so much sense that they brought all that technology but there own cultures showed none of that.(sarcasm)

That's like bringing pottery from your civilization but your own people know nothing about it. (huh)

peta9
07-30-2007, 11:19 AM
It makes so much sense that they brought all that technology but there own cultures showed none of that.(sarcasm)

That's like bringing pottery from your civilization but your own people know nothing about it. (huh)

It was a two-way exchange not one way as they try to take 'ownership' of civilization.

peta9
07-30-2007, 11:29 AM
"corpses so well preserved under the arid sands that the trace of a tear"

asia is a much better continent for preservation than europe.

there could have been migration of asians there but it would not be preserved, that's why these assumptions are hypocritical.

peta9
07-30-2007, 11:59 AM
"corpses so well preserved under the arid sands that the trace of a tear"

asia is a much better continent for preservation than europe.

there could have been migration of asians there but it would not be preserved, that's why these assumptions are hypocritical. The oldest mummy found in europe is three thousand years old and the mummies found in asia did migrate from europe. Europe is known for quick and fast decay.

historians of integrity agree that there was significant cultural exchange between east and west even three to four thousand years ago, it was not just one-way.

peta9
07-30-2007, 12:00 PM
i can't seem to edit these posts or delete double posts

peta9
07-30-2007, 12:03 PM
arggh, I mean there may have been some migration of asians to europe but there would be no trace of it because in europe things decay fast and in a hurry unlike asia!

i can't edit.

peta9
07-30-2007, 12:27 PM
Good quote of intelligence and sanity, not hypocrisy:


"How can you be superior and miss something so embarassingly stupid? If whites 'returned'(lol), which were never indigenous in the first place as a few came from europe, and built another civilization it would be european not the chinese culture as it's indigenous to them. Russians live next door and I don't see any pagodas or a pictographic writing system. Saying it's night and day to russia and other western culture is an understatement and hugely disingenous and heinous for whites to claim a whole civilization when your influence was minmal or partial at best. Also historians agree the exchange was two-way, not one especially along the silk road. Just because someone got hold of a pen, you can't claim the works they produce because of it. It's sickening and really 'super devious'."

rice cracker
07-30-2007, 12:41 PM
Oh my god, get a blog.

SunWuKong
07-30-2007, 01:44 PM
i can't seem to edit these posts or delete double posts

you can't edit or delete posts until you've had 10 posts. and after that you can't delete posts after, i think 30 minutes.

peta9
07-30-2007, 03:51 PM
The Ancient Xia and Shang were Blacks
By Dr. Clyde Winters

There is a popular author on the WWW who has written extensively about the Shang and Xia civilizations named Ah Xiang.

Ah Xiang is wrong the founders of Chinese civilization were black people “min li”. The use of li, to denote Chinese tanned by the sun was the association of the tsung-jen character, with li, the ancient designation of the original founders of Chinese civilization.

Whites claim chinese civilization as well as blacks. The stupid thing is of course they can make claims by reaching but the thing is these civilizations are no longer african or whatever because of evolution.

They could also claim white civilization because it was a different set of africans that migrated to europe but they don't dare because they know they'll get slammed and pounded into the ground for it.

We all originated from africa but so these claims are unfair and unrealistic.


About 50,000 years ago, a group of Africans with features IDENTICAL TO THE KONG-SAN (BUSHMAN) AND Bantu migrated to China and settled in the southern part of China. Eventually, that group migrated to other parts of China all the way to Siberia.

http://www.loe.org/images/051014/Bushman-man.gif

Two different african tribes migrated to asia and europe, africa has the greatest genetic diversity.

Africans similar to the Arignacian culture migrated to Europe about 50,000 years ago from the Sudan/Somalia region. They first passed into Arabia and moved into Europe.

http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/54/28/22152854.jpg


Another branch of Africans who had migrated into India about 60,000 B.C. (THE ANDAMAN ISLANDERS ARE SOME OF THEIR DESCENDENTS http://www.andaman.org )moved into Europe as soon as the ice melted - about 40,000 B.C. Others moved into Central Asia. The African gene mutated in Central Asia near China and spred into northern China, Siberia and that region. One group of genes moved into Southern China and upward into Northern China

So this is dishonest in claiming in anyone's civilization. There are a host of other racist propaganda such as the white racist belief that asians and africans are one race and caucasians separate. It's been proven that it's actually CAUCASIANS and NEGROIDS that are genetically closer by a margin of 16.6, whereas mongoloids and negroids are separated by a margin of roughly 22.6. This is in alignment with migration patterns as and Rushton's overall observations of the consistent three-way pattern of Negroid, Caucasian, and Mongoloid across all behavioral and physical characteristics across the globe. It's shown in peculiar similarities such as ear wax between whites and blacks and the similarities to body sweat. It's quite remarkable how consistent that three-way pattern is with caucasians closer to africans which they DETEST and do everything to pull the wool over other's eyes.

The worst perpetrators are white racists who have an agenda, they scew and hide facts.

SunWuKong
07-30-2007, 04:57 PM
this is actually nothing new. there have been segments (probably a very small minority) of whites and blacks that have been claiming that the Chinese civilisation was started by Aryans or Africans, respectively. for one, i don't know why anybody should be surprised to find mummies with Caucasoid features in western China, because that's basically Central Asia. secondly, the African claim is ridiculous as it rests on Chinese texts that described people as 黑, which in Chinese could either mean "dark" or "black". huge difference between someone being tanned compared to everybody else and someone who is actually African. and finding physical features in Chinese people that are similar to features found in Africa is not surprising either - every human genotype can actually be found in Africa.

peta9
07-30-2007, 06:40 PM
Originally
They have higher IQ, but are not as creative as we are. White people have created modern science, technology, philosophy... What Asians have done? They are good at mimicking our achievements, but creativity? No...

Your first sentence is delusion; the rest of the post is more reasonable. What's going on in Finland these days? A little self-hatred and soft-headedness infecting a people whose 'IQ' makes any Asian look retarded? I'm shocked! My grandmother, who came from there, was made of steel. Creativity doesn't have much of a life without intelligence, you know, so perhaps I'd better tell you what intelligence actually is. It is capacity; how many rooms you have in your interior house to put knowledge and it is also a door in that house that can open onto the infinite. Where the Asian excels is in conformity to a standard already put there by someone else; coming up with a new one does not come natural to most of them - as it would to you. Sorry to bust your illusions, my dear, but the intellectual and spiritual evolution of humanity and the responsibility to bring it about, rests entirely in the hands of your own race - that means you.

Look how sneaky this white woman responds to a putdown of asians from another white woman. She is so vicious that she couldn't stand for the other woman to even say asians have on average a higher iq and then proceeds to confirm it's reasonable that asians have invented nothing! I"ve never known another race that was so serious about being racist and pretending it's justified and moral than caucasians. Even when the majority of asians do it it's from a sense of protecting their culture or defending their way of life, not for the purpose of demeaning others for constant ego gratification and definitely not on a serious cognitive level. It's extremely evil and malicious in it's own way because it's negative intentful propaganda to malign. But whites are constantly spreading demeaning comparisons to other races. I've seen it at work, school and everywhere. They say we are not intelligent as they, spiritual as they, creative, the worst which makes me livid is not moral(because most whites i'v known were corrupt in the heart), ugly etc etc.

These stereotypes get spilled out into society, it's not good.

I know white people very well and despite what others say, they are the most racist people i have ever known. They are extremely vicious in demeaning and keeping others down a peg by constant derogatory insinuations. I see and have experienced this paradigm in the general population. I think asians are spiritually more evolved, i don't like typical caucasian energy, it's darker and more dogmatic less zen. They are the one people who have the hardest time seeing their own faults to the point they actually believe if they like something it must be an objective fact that everyone else should agree with. If they think asians are less attractive and I mean in finality not from their point of view, they think others are stupid not to agree. I don't really know of a race that self-centered in their viewpoint. It's just something I've noticed a bit peculiar and naturally odd about them that they don't see but is ingrained.

peta9
07-30-2007, 07:12 PM
The bitch basically put down asians and then proceeds to post videos of lum lao saying she loves it, calling herself a 'racialist' not a bigot and lum lao as the icon of asian "heart" with an extremely nasally voice, this is sneaky on her part and not altruistic as she is portraying it. I don't know about you but I much prefer northeast asian traditional music, much of it absolutely beautiful and spellbounding. There is better southeast asian music than lum lao.

SunWuKong
07-30-2007, 07:35 PM
are you copy and pasting stuff from some white supremacist website?

peta9
07-30-2007, 07:41 PM
Some of it, some of it not. That's what I mean, you'll find much of the same opinion started by white supremacists taken up by whites who say the same thing at asian forums and think they are not being offensive or rude criticizing, judgeing, telling people how the western way is better etc all the while insisting they are not bigots just like most white people but still having the same general derogatory or condescending attitude.

That creeped me out, as for the woman she creeped me out as a female asiaphile. That's what asiaphiles do, they hide in their heart they want to be derogatory while they fetishize your culture. It's really demeaning.

snow ninja
07-30-2007, 08:39 PM
i saw some of this shite on stormfront.org...a white nationalist/supremacist/skinhead site

peta9
07-30-2007, 08:52 PM
i'm just giving a heads up that's all because there are more white racist hate sites than any other. There are a whole lot. I have yet to find an asian one with the type of serious hate and jealousy than the white sites. There are a few black and brown but not as prevalent as whites.

There was a representative from the anti-defamation league who was pointing out how dangerous these hate groups are by posing along with the trends and portraying it more palatably as nonviolent intentions when it's not thier real feelings or true opinions. He said this easily is absorbed by the mainstream slowly breeding stereotypes and resentment, feeding of racial ego as a motivator too. But we've all seen a bit of that in the stupid general population, it's just that it's the twisted often well-educated bigots who are responsible, usually rightwing.

mr. x
07-30-2007, 10:28 PM
word of advice, you have just lost 10 years of your life because you can't stop reading science from the POV of white supremacists who are busy inventing things out of their trailer park. think about that fact and move on

buttermilkwise
07-30-2007, 10:28 PM
I see and have experienced this paradigm in the general population. I think asians are spiritually more evolved, i don't like typical caucasian energy, it's darker and more dogmatic less zen.

LoL are you actually serious?

two words of advice:

SEEK HELP.

peta9
07-31-2007, 12:27 AM
LoL are you actually serious?

two words of advice:

SEEK HELP.

Most definitely I know what I'm talking about. I had a white stepfather and extended family.

What I noticed different about whites and asians even without cruelty in the picture is the tendency for whites to be morbid or more depraved in thier own way.

For instance, though asians kill indiscriminately or insensitively. Whites also do it but in a more prolonged subtle way which in some way is perverted.

I saw a clip of a kitten being held underwater in a bathtub and drowned helpless. It's innocence and mouth opening shut and open again and again unable to move. This is exactly something a white person would enjoy secretly doing. Asians don't get that sick type of humour in quite this personal way of targeting something so specifically innocent. I"ve seen it with whites in private though. It's hard to explain fully right here but it's just a different type of evil, it's more specifically targeted at something perceived as innocent and a studies guy in forensics has told me that most people who torture animals as children have been majority white and it seems there is a pattern of certain types of crime that appeal more to one group than another or preference. I already knew instinctively it was a white man before I even saw it because of the style. White people are very good at doing evil secretly to soothe their conscience.

If you've ever heard of Salo, you'll know what I'm talking about. If you're white then you won't because you can't see your own faults like most people. I've noticed that white people are also the most sexually perverted, tend to have more pedophiles, and more serial killers. there is something extremely organic and decaysish about white people. Maybe it's their corpse like skin or body and mental makeup. The only other people that surpass or match them in cruelty and sickness is the japanese.

I've just noticed a different texture to their evil is something morbid about it. Even historians will tell you white people have commited more of the sickest acts in history than anyone else.

But I still think japanese are on their level too.

peta9
07-31-2007, 12:33 AM
Well, I understand what you are saying but to be ignorant of these things isn't good either.

The biggest mistake I've noticed is people assume all these racists are "white trash" or from a lower socioeconomic status. That couldn't be farther from the truth. There are as many white collar racists as their are blue collar. Many of them are highly educated. But they usually do fall into the right-wing category.

snow ninja
07-31-2007, 12:42 AM
yes read some deranged torture mechanisms here. just a bit

http://www.torturamuseum.com/instruments.html

snow ninja
07-31-2007, 12:51 AM
more torture

http://medieval-castles.org/index.php?cat=31

mr. x
07-31-2007, 01:35 AM
close this thread already

Paradox
07-31-2007, 07:07 AM
word of advice, you have just lost 10 years of your life because you can't stop reading science from the POV of white supremacists who are busy inventing things out of their trailer park. think about that fact and move on
I agree, i've done a little casual browsing of some of their more colorful "theories" and none of it has any merit. It always descends into typical racial dogma of some sort with little science behind it all. Typical neo-nazi propaganda nonsense. I don't take it seriously and neither should you. People that espouse such views should just be treated like the outcasts that they are.

snow ninja
07-31-2007, 10:03 AM
asian superiority discussion over at stormfront

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/asian-superiority-390412.html

anti chinese thread

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=406302&highlight=chinese

chinese inventors and scientist thread

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=342955&highlight=chinese

pikachupacabra
07-31-2007, 10:22 AM
You're reading STORMFRONT. what do you expect? That's like going to a kkk rally and being surprised at all the people wearing white hoods.

yoMAMA
07-31-2007, 10:23 AM
other than watching access hollywood, there's probably no better way to waste brain cells than browsing stormfront.

snow ninja
07-31-2007, 10:33 AM
no i went over there and gave them all shit and laffed at them but they are such idiots

Paradox
07-31-2007, 11:08 AM
You're reading STORMFRONT. what do you expect? That's like going to a kkk rally and being surprised at all the people wearing white hoods.

Heh yeah, it's like debating members of any other anti-social fringe movement. They are pretty much wackos and have developed their own entrenched social rules and reality that's separate from the rest of humanity. I lump all those pathetic sacks in with other scenesters..whether it be obsessive trekkies, furries, otakus, or whatever else. It just so happens that on stormfront their unhealthy obsession is race and violence.

SunWuKong
07-31-2007, 11:41 AM
i'm going to keep the thread opened for discussion about hate speech and racism on the internet.

but absolutely - while sites like stormfront are extremely racist, it's a plain waste of brain cells to get angry over them.

snow ninja
07-31-2007, 11:53 AM
i'm over there raising hell right now making them look like fools. oh the fun

SunWuKong
07-31-2007, 12:22 PM
i'm over there raising hell right now making them look like fools. oh the fun

do whatever you feel like; just don't bring them over here.

snow ninja
07-31-2007, 12:30 PM
lol, ok, i'm not sending anyone over here...just over there causing trouble.

TB4000
07-31-2007, 02:40 PM
lol, ok, i'm not sending anyone over here...just over there causing trouble.

Well, just keep it between you and them. They tend to like to track down people and see where they stem, and bring their own shit over.

popculturepooka
07-31-2007, 05:34 PM
Most definitely I know what I'm talking about. I had a white stepfather and extended family.

What I noticed different about whites and asians even without cruelty in the picture is the tendency for whites to be morbid or more depraved in thier own way.

For instance, though asians kill indiscriminately or insensitively. Whites also do it but in a more prolonged subtle way which in some way is perverted.

I saw a clip of a kitten being held underwater in a bathtub and drowned helpless. It's innocence and mouth opening shut and open again and again unable to move. This is exactly something a white person would enjoy secretly doing. Asians don't get that sick type of humour in quite this personal way of targeting something so specifically innocent. I"ve seen it with whites in private though. It's hard to explain fully right here but it's just a different type of evil, it's more specifically targeted at something perceived as innocent and a studies guy in forensics has told me that most people who torture animals as children have been majority white and it seems there is a pattern of certain types of crime that appeal more to one group than another or preference. I already knew instinctively it was a white man before I even saw it because of the style. White people are very good at doing evil secretly to soothe their conscience.

If you've ever heard of Salo, you'll know what I'm talking about. If you're white then you won't because you can't see your own faults like most people. I've noticed that white people are also the most sexually perverted, tend to have more pedophiles, and more serial killers. there is something extremely organic and decaysish about white people. Maybe it's their corpse like skin or body and mental makeup. The only other people that surpass or match them in cruelty and sickness is the japanese.

I've just noticed a different texture to their evil is something morbid about it. Even historians will tell you white people have commited more of the sickest acts in history than anyone else.

But I still think japanese are on their level too.

Seriously, you're trying too hard.

peta9
08-01-2007, 12:02 AM
Actually for now, I think racism has improved a lot especially in america and asia. Hopefully this is an awakening and a new trend, not just a positive lull. I've noticed a gradual as we become a more global world that people become more intelligent instead of ignorant when the world is opened up to them. And I hope it will become a better, newer and brighter future for mankind.

The 20th century was very inhumane which i hope most of the world has learned from to not repeat. i hope the next generation is more evolved or enlightened and of sane heart and mind.

cloudzero
08-01-2007, 12:40 AM
I just finished the summer semester and this sociology course was talking about reasons for the imbalance of technological development of the races in human history. Basically the race in locations blessed with domestic-able animals and plants have a surplus of food and have the time to invent. Other places such as Africa, Americas, and Polynesia [the Australia area] are not blessed and they have to hunt for food everyday. No surplus of food, no time to invent. "Germs, Guns, and Steel" by Jared Diamond



From what I've seen so far, seems to me like white is the only race with this many individuals who want asians wiped out. I didn't learn why in the course....and im starting to wonder. Does anyone have an explaination or counter example?

peta9
08-01-2007, 01:13 AM
^only other race to have such a long standing culture and identity that is so different or polar opposite to them from their point of view.

Strangley enough something about thier nature is extremely against us but it's more on an instinctive level for many of them. All the better reason to be civil but not get close. It's never been natural for me anyways regarding them. An easier live but let live. I think they've been like this to just about most who have diametrically opposed cultures or natures to them.

For all the innovations they've made which they should be applauded for they have as many woeful blind spots and faults as the next human being or race. Thier unnatural ways are in many ways detrimental or have negative side effects.

buttermilkwise
08-01-2007, 01:21 AM
From what I've seen so far, seems to me like white is the only race with this many individuals who want asians wiped out. I didn't learn why in the course....and im starting to wonder. Does anyone have an explaination or counter example?

I'm sorry but all these generalizations just sound completely retarded, if you want to get to the root of it, people are animals, and the identity of race/ethnicity/ideology/religion, is entirely RELATIVE.

There are tons and tons of examples of wars between asian people, african people, if it's out there, you name it, it exists. Yes there are tons of examples of black people who hate white people and want them exterminated, same with asian people.


So many people of all races are stupid and in the end it all boils down to a power struggle between two people (or more in the case of the entire world).

To think somehow that your own race (identity) endows you with superior traits over other people not of the same race, does not help anyone and it doesn't change who you are. (which should be the primary focus instead of focusing on other people's problems).

PKoeut
08-01-2007, 07:11 AM
I'm sorry but all these generalizations just sound completely retarded, if you want to get to the root of it, people are animals, and the identity of race/ethnicity/ideology/religion, is entirely RELATIVE.

There are tons and tons of examples of wars between asian people, african people, if it's out there, you name it, it exists. Yes there are tons of examples of black people who hate white people and want them exterminated, same with asian people.


So many people of all races are stupid and in the end it all boils down to a power struggle between two people (or more in the case of the entire world).

To think somehow that your own race (identity) endows you with superior traits over other people not of the same race, does not help anyone and it doesn't change who you are. (which should be the primary focus instead of focusing on other people's problems).

Just one of the many, many problems of most euros* is that they tend to interfere with other people's problems(and causing different problems in the process) while ignoring or running away from their own. I'm sure asians will gladly focus on their own problems when euros stop butting into them. :smile:

Personally, I blame this on governments** deeply rooted in a religion that adheres to an absolute god. The people that adhere to those types of religions tend to have a god-complex when fortune comes their way, and an inferiority complex when it does not. Is it any wonder that colonialism became widespread during a time when western european governments had crazy religious revolutions?

*(euro-american, euro-australian, etc. are included when I say euro. I'm sure the vast majority of people would be confused if I didn't add this excerpt in... which goes to show just how subversive euro propaganda is when asians are called "asian", but euros are called "white"[a color that doesnt match their skintone at all, but nontheless a color with a positive feeling in all languages] or "american"[or whatever non-european country they stole])

**(Dont even think that euros seperate religion from the US government. "Seperation of church and state" meant something completely different centuries ago than how it's currently being spun today. Theres a big difference between churches and religion itself. One needs to only look in the back of a US coin to see the truth.)

snow ninja
08-01-2007, 08:29 AM
seems that peple just naturally cant get along because peple who hate life have nothing to lose and have conflicts because they want to not becaue they have to.

they are just a bunch of miserable people hating each other dragging everyone else down and all races are guilty it seems but i think whites have the most seething calculated premeditated hate..

cloudzero
08-01-2007, 08:35 AM
I'm sorry but all these generalizations just sound completely retarded, if you want to get to the root of it, people are animals, and the identity of race/ethnicity/ideology/religion, is entirely RELATIVE.


Why are the whites more publicized for their racism?

popculturepooka
08-01-2007, 11:19 AM
Cuz they have had the power for the last few centuries.

buttermilkwise
08-01-2007, 02:52 PM
Cuz they have had the power for the last few centuries.

and what makes you think the same wouldn't happen if asians were in power? The same sense of pride that is manifested in the oppressor manifests itself as the victim in opposite circumstances, but they are ultimately two sides of the same coin.

This is what I mean by relative.

popculturepooka
08-01-2007, 03:31 PM
and what makes you think the same wouldn't happen if asians were in power? The same sense of pride that is manifested in the oppressor manifests itself as the victim in opposite circumstances, but they are ultimately two sides of the same coin.

This is what I mean by relative.

'Scuse me? I never even remotely implied or said that the same thing wouldn't happen with asians (or any other group for that matter).

In fact, I think peta is is trying way too hard with all the generalizastions and stereotypes.

I was responding to cloudzero's inquiry about why whites are more publicized for their racism. They are in power, it's easier to publicize thier racism (justified or not).

buttermilkwise
08-02-2007, 02:33 AM
eh sorry, somehow things got confused in my head and I ended up replying to the wrong post. My response was actually meant for mostly Peta9 since he was the one that said asians were more spiritual than white people. (ie: superior)

snow ninja
08-02-2007, 10:18 AM
i went over to stormfront and fucked them up and gave em shit over there. they censored a few of my posts becasuse the questions were too challenging. IT dealt with white segregation the method of it's implementation and outcome.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/multiculturalism-problem-created-whites-and-408195.html

this thread proves your hypocrisy. i am truly arguing with idiots. i think i shall exit from this forum for a while for fear of stress from reading such stupidity. it's been fun riling up all your feathers with all the holes i found in your logic which is so flawed.

you brag about your smarts, inventiveness then downplay and separate youself from the faults of your race that you do not like such as liberalism and jews. Heck even arabs are caucasoid.

At the same time you group other races together with stereotypical traits while failing to recognize their individualism. Certain members of all races are guilty of this but your taking this to the extreme.

Like i said before, this crap you spew is to help you think easier and make quicker decisions about people because you are so ignorant, impatient and arrogant to find the real person inside others instead of judging them by their looks only.

What a stupid way to determine who your friends are.

cloudzero
08-02-2007, 11:17 AM
^be careful how you post links here, because when someone clicks on a link, the source URL sends a referral to the destination URL. so if someone clicks on a link to stormfront on a yw page, a yw URL will show up on the stormfront website stats.

like SWK said, we don't want them coming to YW.

for those who want to goto the page, copy and paste it into the addressbar, but don't click

snow ninja
08-02-2007, 11:39 AM
i see your concern, but who care if they come here? good, we can have some fun and laugh at them. it's not like they are gonna track you down and terrorize you. I told them to come to my website, and only one or two came to just post idiotic comments that show how idiotic they are.

just have some fun with it man, it's hilarious.

SunWuKong
08-02-2007, 11:51 AM
i see your concern, but who care if they come here?

i care. i don't want to have to waste my time banning racist white trolls just because you don't give a shit.

snow ninja
08-02-2007, 12:15 PM
haha, true

pikachupacabra
08-02-2007, 01:16 PM
Honestly, this is like running around the south kicking over fire ant hills. You know they sting, you know you're not actually doing shit, and you know no matter how many you kick over there's still a billion out there who are just as red, just as pissed, and just as likely to finally sting you in the nads after you've kicked a few of them over.



Seriously, what's the point in antagonizing stormfront? you're not going to change their minds, they have plenty of trolls already, and you probably just end up solidifying their views anyways.


Ok end rant, i'm outtie, i'm gonna eat.

snow ninja
08-02-2007, 01:26 PM
that's true, i agree with your analogy, but i'm not gonna troll them too much because i would rather defeat them with logic instead of insults.

maybe it's just my argumentive debative nature and i got a lil bit of troll in me too:biggrin: .

i won't be there for long or often, just whenever i feel i have a good point to unleash on them and ridicule them at the same time..

buttermilkwise
08-02-2007, 04:46 PM
how old are you snow?

snow ninja
08-02-2007, 05:28 PM
older than i look, older than i feel, immature for my age

peta9
08-03-2007, 11:54 AM
and what makes you think the same wouldn't happen if asians were in power? The same sense of pride that is manifested in the oppressor manifests itself as the victim in opposite circumstances, but they are ultimately two sides of the same coin.

This is what I mean by relative.

I only see tons of white supremacist sites saying the nastiest things about other races freely.

I don't see asian, brown or black forums as bad or serious as they are, if their are they are few and THEY COULD and definitely not in the same number of forums as whites have, there is NOTHING to stop the others to make such a forum as the whites. As a matter of fact I can't find a single asian nationalist forum of any ethncity, if they exist it sure is hard to find or obscure. As well, the chinese nationalist alliance that used to be was tame, had more integrity and courteous compared to the blatant putdowns and racial slurs that is common on white nationalist sites, NOT even supremacist sites which they claim they are not but really are!

So, so much for your theory that asians would act EXACTLY like WHITE people.

What you don't understand is the differences in viewpoint. Even if asians were in power which they do economically, we still don't go into other stupid areas of noninterest for us. Such as believing our beauty is universal and subliminally advertising everyone else to follow or have the same customs etc. Asians are not in power BECAUSE that is not what we do or is our point of view of the world. If asians came in power, there would be similarities but it would not be exactly the same as if whites were. To make that assumption is actually very "white" of you, LOL! Since every race is a bit different, so their methods and rule will be a bit different as well. It's so typical for whites to project completely. There was a study that showed that whites were the least likely to see things from anyone else's perspective so you project your values onto others. With this there are pros and cons.

Buttermilk, are you white?? You sure sound like it as defensive and blind as you are to their own faults.

LaiSteve66
08-03-2007, 09:35 PM
lol, stormfront. What a waste of time. I don't even consider them human.

buttermilkwise
08-04-2007, 05:24 AM
I only see tons of white supremacist sites saying the nastiest things about other races freely.

I don't see asian, brown or black forums as bad or serious as they are, if their are they are few and THEY COULD and definitely not in the same number of forums as whites have, there is NOTHING to stop the others to make such a forum as the whites. As a matter of fact I can't find a single asian nationalist forum of any ethncity, if they exist it sure is hard to find or obscure. As well, the chinese nationalist alliance that used to be was tame, had more integrity and courteous compared to the blatant putdowns and racial slurs that is common on white nationalist sites, NOT even supremacist sites which they claim they are not but really are!

So, so much for your theory that asians would act EXACTLY like WHITE people.

What you don't understand is the differences in viewpoint. Even if asians were in power which they do economically, we still don't go into other stupid areas of noninterest for us. Such as believing our beauty is universal and subliminally advertising everyone else to follow or have the same customs etc. Asians are not in power BECAUSE that is not what we do or is our point of view of the world. If asians came in power, there would be similarities but it would not be exactly the same as if whites were. To make that assumption is actually very "white" of you, LOL! Since every race is a bit different, so their methods and rule will be a bit different as well. It's so typical for whites to project completely. There was a study that showed that whites were the least likely to see things from anyone else's perspective so you project your values onto others. With this there are pros and cons.

Buttermilk, are you white?? You sure sound like it as defensive and blind as you are to their own faults.

Forget me, I agree with the regulars here if you're going to waste your time on stormfront then this entire thread has gone to waste.:smile:

snow ninja
08-04-2007, 11:13 AM
those stormfront cannot handle my truths.

i gott banned..and i asked the simplest most civil question...

What is White Culture?

I guess they were afraid it would cause too much division and disagreeing within their hate group of scum.

honestly i can see that some of them have been wronged by blacks and jews and asians but their intrinsic hate is more deep than most other people. it's like a seething hate.

it is a complete waste of time, especially if they don't even listen to other points. it is completely closed minded.

Paradox
08-04-2007, 11:37 AM
it is a complete waste of time, especially if they don't even listen to other points. it is completely closed minded.

Well no shit when did you figure that one out? :rolleyes: They are a vicious little subculture of misanthropes. It's like talking to religious fundamentalists, drug addicts, or any other fringe group of people. They are impossible to reach through reason and it's only when they finally see what's wrong themselves that you can discuss anything with them.

eos
08-04-2007, 12:24 PM
"wow, what a complete waste of time!"
"yes, i concur! this is why it's a waste of time!" *list list list*
"oh, i agree completely. hahaha....they are so stupid."
"let's talk about it some more because it's a complete waste of time!"
"i have another list! harhar! they are very stupid!" *list list list*

brilliant.

urbia
08-04-2007, 12:35 PM
lol.

pikachupacabra
08-04-2007, 03:39 PM
i gott banned..and i asked the simplest most civil question...



:rolleyes:

HeyaB!
08-06-2007, 08:19 PM
According to the article below, Europeans may be descended from Asians, which I believe trumps the "I built your culture" claim. " SNAP!!!"
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http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/tooth-study-gives-asia-bigger-role-in-europe/2007/08/06/1186252628012.html

Tooth study gives Asia bigger role in Europe
Chicago
August 7, 2007

AN ANALYSIS of the dental fossils of human ancestors suggests that Asian populations played a larger role than Africans in colonising Europe millions of years ago.

The findings, released today, challenge the prevailing "Out of Africa" theory, which holds that anatomically modern man arose from one point in Africa and fanned out to conquer the globe, and bolsters the notion that Homo sapiens evolved from different populations.

The "Out of Africa" scenario has been underpinned since 1987 by genetic studies based mainly on the rate of mutations in mitochondrial DNA, a cell material inherited from the maternal line of ancestry.

But for this study, researchers studied the tooth fossil record of modern man's ancestors because of the high component of genetic expression. They examined more than 5000 teeth from Africa, Asia and Europe dating back millions of years and found that European teeth had more Asian features than African ones.

They also noted that the continuity of the Eurasian dental pattern from the early Pleistocene until the appearance of upper-Pleistocene Neanderthals suggested that the evolutionary courses of the Eurasian and African continents were relatively independent for a long period.

"The history of human populations in Eurasia may not have been the result of a few high-impact replacement waves of dispersals from Africa, but a much more complex puzzle of dispersals and contacts among populations within and outside continents," researchers wrote.

The paper, by researchers at Spain's national centre for research into human evolution, appears in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

AFP

buttermilkwise
08-10-2007, 11:31 PM
Buttermilk, are you white?? You sure sound like it as defensive and blind as you are to their own faults.

Sorry didn't have enough time to respond properly, if you're smart enough you'll figure out something important from what I have to show.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=25646&highlight=racism

SunWuKong
08-11-2007, 02:22 AM
so the "Asian not creative" argument is often cited by white supremacists. well here's an article about how China is now third in the world in leading the highest number of requests for patents - behind the US and Japan.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6939767.stm

Paradox
08-11-2007, 06:39 AM
so the "Asian not creative" argument is often cited by white supremacists. well here's an article about how China is now third in the world in leading the highest number of requests for patents - behind the US and Japan.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6939767.stm
The whole claim that "asians aren't creative" is a very paradoxical claim. If asians aren't creative then by default there shouldn't be any asian companies leading in consumer electronics or vehicle design. However, if you take a good look at the most profitable and cutting edge companies out there for those industries they are all asian in origin. Japanese have been on the cutting edge since the '80s and have created several business processes and automobile advances that allowed them to win over the consumer automotive industry in the world. Now you see countries like Korea starting to ramp up technology as well and are now very competitive globally. Taiwan is also a leader in silicon chip and computer parts manufacturing. Hong Kong & Singapore have all excelled in developing leading finance institutions. You have to remember all these asian countries have extremely low natural resources compared to their western counterparts as well.

The whole "not creative" thing is just a racist stereotype. It has its roots in orientalism.

snow ninja
08-11-2007, 10:18 AM
the whites like to say that they invented everything important and asians improved alot of it. it is very arrogant esp. the dumb ones who take pride in that like it's their own accomplishment or something. retards

mr. x
08-11-2007, 01:07 PM
A lot of it stems from the fact that Asia, especially ancient China was pretty isolated during the period when white folk were swinging swords at each other. Had the Mongols invaded Western Europe they probably would realize just how creative they could be

buttermilkwise
08-11-2007, 06:28 PM
what about africa?

cloudzero
08-11-2007, 07:46 PM
what about africa?

Africa didn't reach a point of agriculture because there were no crops in that area that could be stored. Also they didn't have animals that could be farmed. They were constrained to hunting and gathering. This lifestyle required looking for food everyday and didn't give them time to invent or create. This is also true for North America and the countries in the Australia area.

Paradox
08-11-2007, 08:26 PM
A lot of it stems from the fact that Asia, especially ancient China was pretty isolated during the period when white folk were swinging swords at each other. Had the Mongols invaded Western Europe they probably would realize just how creative they could be
During that era the advanced civilizations were arguably located in the middle east. Mongols rolled through there fairly easily. I'd say the mongol recurve bow, being on a horseback since birth, along with their field tactics contributed greatly to their warfare advantage.

Eastern europe had the same things western europe did at the time..knights, heavy cavalry, and massive defensive fortifications. The mongols laid waste to pretty much all of that in Hungary, Russia, and Kiev. So, I think if the mongols didn't overextend they would have had a more than good chance of defeating western europe.

mr. x
08-11-2007, 08:56 PM
do they even have a rational explanation for the gunpowder thing besides "stupid chinamen only used it for fireworks instead of colonizing people like the CLEVER WHITE MAN!"

buttermilkwise
08-11-2007, 10:02 PM
Africa didn't reach a point of agriculture because there were no crops in that area that could be stored. Also they didn't have animals that could be farmed. They were constrained to hunting and gathering. This lifestyle required looking for food everyday and didn't give them time to invent or create. This is also true for North America and the countries in the Australia area.

Interesting point, but if you are correct does that mean that black people could be more advanced than white people given the right circumstances, or is it all in the genetics as some would argue?

Paradox
08-11-2007, 10:02 PM
do they even have a rational explanation for the gunpowder thing besides "stupid chinamen only used it for fireworks instead of colonizing people like the CLEVER WHITE MAN!"
heh, that's pretty much the explanation. Some of the more biased books try to downplay non-western civs as much as possible. The reality is a lot of european innovations came from middle eastern or asian origins. The europeans "improved" on a lot during the hellenic greek era and the biggest advancements in the west were actually in political/social thought.

cloudzero
08-11-2007, 10:33 PM
Interesting point, but if you are correct does that mean that black people could be more advanced than white people given the right circumstances, or is it all in the genetics as some would argue?

It is not my argument. It is of Jared Diamond's book "Guns, Germs, Steel". Yes, he does argue that the imbalance of technological in society today is due to geographical imbalance in prehistory and not genetics. He covers everything like availableness of farm-able crops and animals, animal labor, shapes of the continents, and climate.

One interesting point was that he felt China was the most advanced country in the 1500s. But due to the country's over-unification, the leaders and emperors were able to limit technological growth by forbidding certain activities. Europe on the other hand was split up into different countries allowing them to compete and learn from one another when it comes to inventions.

You can read a bit more about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns%2C_Germs%2C_and_Steel

Edit: Oh yea, and of course there are critics

tripostrophe
08-12-2007, 12:51 AM
Seems like a topic that isn't worth discussing (no offense OP; it's given the source of these views), and it looks like it's gotten somewhat OT. If there are no objections, I'd like to move that this thread be locked.

bryan4418
10-27-2007, 10:45 PM
Japan didn't get to where it is simply by "mimicking".

minique
10-28-2007, 08:50 AM
There simply might be some famished European barbarians migrating to East Asia. They were fish out of water in the new land, and might not develop any community or build anything here; so their generations died down or moved back to Europe. Even scientist dig more European bodies in China or any East Asian country, it still doesn't prove of Europeans to be contributors to the ancient Chinese civilization but seemingly the herds of cattle in the early advanced human society.

nationalism
11-04-2007, 09:26 AM
i went over to stormfront and fucked them up and gave em shit over there. they censored a few of my posts becasuse the questions were too challenging. IT dealt with white segregation the method of it's implementation and outcome.

this thread proves your hypocrisy. i am truly arguing with idiots. i think i shall exit from this forum for a while for fear of stress from reading such stupidity. it's been fun riling up all your feathers with all the holes i found in your logic which is so flawed.

you brag about your smarts, inventiveness then downplay and separate youself from the faults of your race that you do not like such as liberalism and jews. Heck even arabs are caucasoid.

At the same time you group other races together with stereotypical traits while failing to recognize their individualism. Certain members of all races are guilty of this but your taking this to the extreme.

Like i said before, this crap you spew is to help you think easier and make quicker decisions about people because you are so ignorant, impatient and arrogant to find the real person inside others instead of judging them by their looks only.

What a stupid way to determine who your friends are.

Why don't you people actually read the posts on Stormfront before talking about how you hate the site? I'd recomment reading all the posts by "takeactionnow" first. Stormfront is simply free speech, so obviously you will get some people insulting you but you also get a lot of good threads. It's educational. If you read the right articles on it you'll learn a lot of things.

cloudzero
11-04-2007, 11:30 AM
oh no......its what SWK feared...thanks alot snow ninja

eos
11-04-2007, 11:33 AM
can we just IGNORE obvious trolls? try. please.

KHANartist
11-05-2007, 09:26 AM
The dangerous part is this type of propaganda is eaten up by and the ignorant majority is duped. Most of the negative stereotypes have been perpetuated by westerners. This is going too far and dangerous.

It is nothing to worry about at all. In all fairness, some Chinese nationalists are taking credit for European and Indian inventions. Really nohing to get alarmed about.

mr. x
11-07-2007, 03:05 AM
hehe, I've been thinking, I don't think most east Asians really think about the origins of Buddhism.

Chooky
11-07-2007, 06:22 AM
Didn't China invent Europe AND India?

nameless
11-07-2007, 02:26 PM
hehe, I've been thinking, I don't think most east Asians really think about the origins of Buddhism.

Well there's a lot of untranslated Sanskrit terms and names in Buddhism, so I don't think anyone will ever really forget its origins. And unlike other religions, Buddhism doesn't bring "foreign" Gods to the table, so it's generally easier to accept / adapt.

buttermilkwise
11-08-2007, 05:01 PM
hehe, I've been thinking, I don't think most east Asians really think about the origins of Buddhism.

Yeah I know Buddha was a dark Desi indian, and Jesus looked just like Osama Bin Laden even though he is pictured as brown haired and blue eyed.

my only qualm is the spread of buddhism in the west, it's too popular, and I don't like the possibility of the west appropriating it into some culturally distorted form that discredits asians.

(ie: Hollywood remakes of asian films)

pikachu
11-09-2007, 02:52 PM
i'm just giving a heads up that's all because there are more white racist hate sites than any other. There are a whole lot. I have yet to find an asian one with the type of serious hate and jealousy than the white sites. There are a few black and brown but not as prevalent as whites.


That has been the most baseless, and stereotyped claim I have ever heard. And the only thing you used to determine this was the internet. lol
And I can even disprove you on that. Look at this quote^, it is probably the most racist thing I have seen.