MMA fighter Cung Le

[AngryABCGirl]

The guy recently won his fourth MMA fight- another knockout. Crazy abilities for an athlete that is considered out of his prime because of his age. Articulate guy and not bad looking at all either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhMQ7QSCID8

[mrazntre]

Cung Le has a flawless stand up game. It's his ground game that worries a lot of his fans because he didn't grow up with BJJ or JJ. You can see his inexperience when he gets dropped to the ground (his wrestling instincts take over and he goes street). IF he gets into the ring with a decent stand up fighter with a great ground game, he'd better take control of that match and keep it off the ground a la Chuck Lidell who has great defense.

btw: it's not his age that's in question for being in or out of his prime. it's the fact that he just picked up MMA a couple years ago. a lot of those experts were worried about Cung being able to compete with guys that have been training MMA for years as opposed to his sanshou only bouts. In addition, a few years back Cung had a pretty nasty knee injury that slowed him down and was slow to heal. Those were the main dissenting factors.

Gotta love the south vietnamese flag on his shorts!

After his 3rd fight win he says his trainer is thinking of pushing him up to PrideFC. Strikeforce is kinda like the minor leagues so the talent level isn't as high from what i've seen. Don't get me wrong, they have good fighters, but nothing like the big names from Pride and UFC (whose fighters have gone back and forth - Royce Gracie, Lidell, etc.., but now that's a moot point ever since Pride was bought out by UFC). Another disclaimer, UFC is turning into that big joke because of those crappy fights they've been putting out, but it's been and is turning into the US gold standard of MMA. *shrug*


CUNG LE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[thaite]

UFC's been sucking since they started adding rules.

[proazn]

Cung Le has more skills than what he's shown in his MMA fights. He can do takedowns, scissors kick, flip-fighters-over-his-shoulders. It's more exciting to watch him fight San Shou. MMA and UFC fighters tend to go to the ground game if they have little stand up skills.

I have to give credit to Cung's opponent, Tony 'the freak' for having the courage to make the fight more of a standup fight than a ground fight.

[mrazntre]

Cung Le has more skills than what he's shown in his MMA fights. He can do takedowns, scissors kick, flip-fighters-over-his-shoulders. It's more exciting to watch him fight San Shou. MMA and UFC fighters tend to go to the ground game if they have little stand up skills.

I have to give credit to Cung's opponent, Tony 'the freak' for having the courage to make the fight more of a standup fight than a ground fight.

There's an interview on youtube where Cung talks about throws and take-downs in san shou as opposed to MMA. He basically says that san shou allows you 2-4 seconds to complete a throw/take down (and you get points), and that's it.

I don't really see the comparison in MMA only because ok, he can flip you, but then what? It's pretty much a completely different ball game. His patented scissor kick takedown is very nice to watch, but unlike san shou, MMA keeps going. A good fighter will be able to figure out a way to get an ankle lock or knee lock. In that sense, Cung is vulnerable.

Tony should've taken it to the ground because he was gettin manhandled in the stand up. I think it was a stupid move on his part if he wanted to win. You play to your advantages, courage in playing to someone else's advantage is kinda stubborn and short sighted, don't you think? (reference Tito and Lidell, that crying Asian UFC fighter guy that insisted on stand up instead of going JJ/BJJ, the Mavs trying to play small ball vs. Golden State in the first round of the playoffs....) :biggrin:

[JesusIsmyFriend]

Last time I heard, Cung Le wanted to get into acting?

[Azn Retribution]

Chuck Lidell who has great defense.




FAIL
http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2007/05/27/PH2007052700087.jpg
for mentioning Chuck Liddell.
He showed his complete lack of defense when Rampage Jackson pwn3d him with a right hook. (not to mention making the entire UFC divison he represented look like the amateur school children they are compared to Pride Fighters)

It's amusing that people were nutriding him saying he could easily take out Fedor, Wanderlei, Hendo, Cropcop or Shogun.

Yes I'm aware UFC bought Pride. Pride had better talent then UFC's. So I suppose its a moot point since now all Pride Fighters are now UFC.

I do agree with the consensus. but Cung Le's doing the MMA thing right. He's starting slow. developing his skills in the minor leageus before he hits the big time.

MMA has evolved though. Grapplers who used to dominate it are having trouble now that primary strikers have adapted to the ground.

[proazn]

Last time I heard, Cung Le wanted to get into acting?

Here's the trailer to Cung Le's next movie,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2PC5nexbt4

[mrazntre]

FAIL
http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2007/05/27/PH2007052700087.jpg
for mentioning Chuck Liddell.
He showed his complete lack of defense when Rampage Jackson pwn3d him with a right hook. (not to mention making the entire UFC divison he represented look like the amateur school children they are compared to Pride Fighters)

It's amusing that people were nutriding him saying he could easily take out Fedor, Wanderlei, Hendo, Cropcop or Shogun.

Yes I'm aware UFC bought Pride. Pride had better talent then UFC's. So I suppose its a moot point since now all Pride Fighters are now UFC.

I do agree with the consensus. but Cung Le's doing the MMA thing right. He's starting slow. developing his skills in the minor leageus before he hits the big time.

MMA has evolved though. Grapplers who used to dominate it are having trouble now that primary strikers have adapted to the ground.

Liddell got caught looking on the right hook, which was more reflexive than anything. No one's defense is flawless. Rampage had his head ducked and got that one on liddell's chin. Luck? maybe, but sometimes that's how it goes. Rampage threw an illegal elbow into chuck's head when he was on the ground if you didn't see that.

either way, we can all pretty much agree that iceman didn't look like himself in that fight.

chuck was a Pride fighter too, so that makes everything doubly moot.

either way, if you're saying that Chuck doesn't have great defense then you're just hating on him. his defense has been pretty solid. maybe it's slipping due to age, but you can't discount what he's done because of that last fight against rampage.

[cloudzero]

cung Le looks more hispanic than asian like tadahito iguchi does from the chicago white sox [just got traded to phillies]

[JesusIsmyFriend]

cung Le looks more hispanic than asian like tadahito iguchi does from the chicago white sox [just got traded to phillies]

I don't know what you think Hispanic looks like, but he looks Asian to me. Maybe not the stereotypical "Oriental" or East Asian, but you also have to take into the account that he's Viet and there are plenty of Viets who don't have the "Epicanthic folds".

And when you say Hispanic, do you mean Mexican? because Hispanic really isn't really a race since Whites/Blacks/Asians can all be Hispanic. Look it up, you'll see that Hispanics are just historically mixed. On the other hand, "ASIAN" can mean many different things. South Asians and SE Asians tend to have different features than East Asians.

[JesusIsmyFriend]

tadahito iguchi also looks Asian, he looks Filipino or other SE Asians groups. So when you say HIspanic, I think your thinking "Mexican". And mexicans have a history of Native American/European blood and Native Americans didn't just appear in America, they migrated. Go to Utah, you'll be amazed how many Native Americans look "Asian".

[badwill]

Cung Le looks like a typical Viet with bigger muscle.

[mrazntre]

funny, he looks nothing like me and i look nothing like him.

[proazn]

mrazntre, you must be one really odd lookin azn dude.

[JesusIsmyFriend]

funny, he looks nothing like me and i look nothing like him.

why would he look anything like you? are you related to him or something?

[mrazntre]

why would he look anything like you? are you related to him or something?

see post 13

[Gunz]

He really does not look Vietnamese, at first glance. However, living in the US for so long, and the nutritional advantages, he looks different from the typical skinny thin, hungry Vietnamese most people see on television documentaries.

One has to admit, that anyone who fights and gets wins on MMA are pretty bad-ass, though.

I often see Mexicans, and South Americans, and sometimes find it difficult to dinstinguish some Southeast Asians and Hapas from them. I have been mistaken for being Latino once or twice, because I happen to have been speaking Spanish at the time.

[JesusIsmyFriend]

He really does not look Vietnamese, at first glance. However, living in the US for so long, and the nutritional advantages, he looks different from the typical skinny thin, hungry Vietnamese most people see on television documentaries.

One has to admit, that anyone who fights and gets wins on MMA are pretty bad-ass, though.

I often see Mexicans, and South Americans, and sometimes find it difficult to dinstinguish some Southeast Asians and Hapas from them. I have been mistaken for being Latino once or twice, because I happen to have been speaking Spanish at the time.

If you been to Vietnam, you would know he looked Vietnamese. Not to mention there are such things as mixed-ethnicities in Vietnam just like other SE Asian countries such as the Philippines.

Again Latinos/Hispanics are of different mixed ethnicities....they are traced with having Native American/European/ and for some African ancestry. Remember there are such things as White Hispanics and Black Hispanics....this is more obvious if you lived in a East Coast state like Florida. In California and other parts of the West, the majority of Latinos are Mexicans.

[JesusIsmyFriend]

see post 13

k. Then I saw post 15.

[proazn]

He really does not look Vietnamese, at first glance. However, living in the US for so long, and the nutritional advantages, he looks different from the typical skinny thin, hungry Vietnamese most people see on television documentaries.




Apparently, you don't know any Vietnamese people in real life and watch way too much TV.

advice, search for "Dat Nguyen"

[JesusIsmyFriend]

Apparently, you don't know any Vietnamese people in real life and watch way too much TV.

advice, search for "Dat Nguyen"

Co-Signed

[mrazntre]

seriously though... i'm pretty hungry.

[proazn]

seriously though... i'm pretty hungry.

Then go eat some Pho. Pho will help you lose weight.

[KenTsui]

he is a good teacher to the next generations

[proazn]

This is an article from today's San Jose Mercury News. Cung Le appears on the front page of the Sport section. He's fighting tomorrow against Frank Shamrock.
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San Jose's Cung Le developing into Strikeforce star - San Jose Mercury News (http://www.mercurynews.com//ci_8726275?IADID)




San Jose's Cung Le developing into Strikeforce star
AS A FIFTH-GRADER, LE BEGAN FIGHTING BACK AND HASN'T STOPPED
By Joshua Molina
Mercury News
Article Launched: 03/28/2008 01:40:43 AM PDT

The racist taunts on the playground were relentless.

Cung Le, then a skinny, shy 8-year-old, pretended he didn't hear them. But the hurtful words felt like daggers in the heart. Then the attacks turned physical. A trip, a push, a punch.

Tired of black eyes and bloody noses, "in the fifth grade, I started to fight back," said Le, now 35.

A rising star in mixed martial arts and one of the best San Shou-style fighters in the world, the San Jose resident and Vietnamese emigre has gone from being taunted on the playground to hailed as a hero inside the cage.

In the biggest mixed martial arts fight in Bay Area history, Le battles another San Jose resident - the charismatic, cocky pioneer of the sport, Frank Shamrock - at the HP Pavilion on Saturday night. Shamrock, aka "The Legend," who has never been knocked out or submitted, said he will prove he's the true champion of San Jose.

"The truth will come out in a beautiful, explosive and violent way," Shamrock said.

The two popular athletes will battle for Shamrock's Strikeforce middleweight championship, and the war of the hometown heroes has San Jose fight fans abuzz. Both fighters will earn comfortable "six-figure salaries," said Mike Afromowitz, vice president of Strikeforce, who is co-promoting the fight with EliteXC.

Promoters are expecting a full house - 18,265.

On the outside, Le is 5 feet, 10 inches tall and 185 pounds of well-conditioned muscle. He carries himself with confidence but a refreshing lack of arrogance. When he speaks, it is not to tout his in-cage conquests. Rather, he's soft-spoken and humble.

"I am not even nervous," he said of fighting Shamrock, from his new 10,000-square-foot gym in Milpitas. "I am not even stressed."

Le, a hero in San Jose's Vietnamese circles, wears yellow and red trunks, designed in the style of the red and yellow flag of South Vietnam before the 1975 communist takeover, to show respect for his homeland.

For a timid boy who grew up idolizing Bruce Lee and Michael Jordan, his journey to the biggest fight of his career has been full of drama.

Born in Saigon, the boy and his mother, Anne, fled Vietnam amid gunfire just days before the fall of Saigon. Le's grandfather, a police chief, used his government ties to secure a helicopter rather than escape by boat, and they were flown to a Philippine refugee camp.

That day, the 2-year-old boy said goodbye to his father, who chose to stay in Vietnam. Le today won't mention his father's name; he doesn't want to give him undue attention.

"He wanted his freedom to do the things he wanted to do with his life," said Cung Le's mother, Anne, of her ex-husband. Anne Le said of her ex-husband. "He didn't want to have a regular family."

A church family sponsored a move to the United States. Le struggled to fit in.

"I really couldn't do anything," he said. "They were bigger and stronger. I felt helpless. I had no one to turn to."

But in the seventh grade, Le started wrestling at Burnett Academy in San Jose. And the days of being teased came to an end. He became a star wrestler, winning freestyle and Greco-Roman tournaments at San Jose High and at West Valley College.

Le later combined his wrestling skills with kickboxing and master San Shou-style martial arts, a Chinese form of combat, that combines kicks and punches with throws and takedowns. He was undefeated.

With the surge in popularity of mixed martial arts, and the promise of more lucrative paydays, Le jumped into the fray and joined Strikeforce. He is 5-0 in MMA.

As he prepares for his fights, Le sleeps in a hypoxic tent, which simulates high altitudes by lowering oxygen availability and boosts his conditioning.

Le has two sons, Cung Michael, 7, and Anthony, 3. He is divorced and has sole custody. Whatever happens Saturday night, Le said, fatherhood comes first. He makes breakfast every morning for his boys - usually breakfast burritos made with egg whites served with fresh juice - an "80 percent organic diet," he said.

"I want to be a better father to my children than my father was to me," Le said.

His kids will be in the audience Saturday, alongside thousands of screaming Le fans. Those rabble-rousers who used to beat him up in elementary school might even be watching.

"I know they see me," Le said with a massive, proud grin, thinking back to the days he used to take beatings rather than give them.

"That's bragging rights for them."

[Azn Retribution]

Frank Shamrock - at the HP Pavilion on Saturday night. Shamrock, aka "The Legend," who has never been knocked out or submitted, said he will prove he's the true champion of San Jose.


O RLY?!?!?!?!??!

Yuki Kondo in Pancrase 1996 disagrees with him on that point quite readily.

So does Bas Rutten, multiple times.

and now that people know that Cung Le does have a Greco-Roman background and has been training BJJ actively for awhile. Can people PLEASE STFU about him being a one dimensional fighter and lacking a ground game. seriously tired of hearing that ignorant crap.

The last time frank fought anyone of notable skill was 1999 and tito ortiz is/was quite overrated.

[BillBlythe]

why is the text in blue? That made me not want to read it at all. call it text-ist if you will, but that annoyed the hell out of me.

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anyway, i think shamrock's gonna destroy cung. cung's last few fights have been freebies as far as i am concerned.

[popculturepooka]

I admire your guys' passion. After all - you guys' posted in awesome text.

[Sunflare]

Frank Shamrock - at the HP Pavilion on Saturday night. Shamrock, aka "The Legend," who has never been knocked out or submitted, said he will prove he's the true champion of San Jose.
O RLY?!?!?!?!??!

Yuki Kondo in Pancrase 1996 disagrees with him on that point quite readily.

So does Bas Rutten, multiple times.

and now that people know that Cung Le does have a Greco-Roman background and has been training BJJ actively for awhile. Can people PLEASE STFU about him being a one dimensional fighter and lacking a ground game. seriously tired of hearing that ignorant crap.

The last time frank fought anyone of notable skill was 1999 and tito ortiz is/was quite overrated.




why is the text in blue? That made me not want to read it at all. call it text-ist if you will, but that annoyed the hell out of me.

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anyway, i think shamrock's gonna destroy cung. cung's last few fights have been freebies as far as i am concerned.I admire your guys' passion. After all - you guys' posted in awesome text.

HaHaHa !! That's why I love YW. You guys are freaking hilarious !!! Ohhh shiet !! :biggrin:

You can cut the testosterone reaking and raging in the air, in this thread, with a fucking knife. LOL.



from:

San Jose's Cung Le developing into Strikeforce star
AS A FIFTH-GRADER, LE BEGAN FIGHTING BACK AND HASN'T STOPPED
By Joshua Molina
Mercury News
Article Launched: 03/28/2008 01:40:43 AM PDT

The racist taunts on the playground were relentless.

Cung Le, then a skinny, shy 8-year-old, pretended he didn't hear them. But the hurtful words felt like daggers in the heart. Then the attacks turned physical. A trip, a push, a punch.
Tired of black eyes and bloody noses, "in the fifth grade, I started to fight back," said Le, now 35.

A rising star in mixed martial arts and one of the best San Shou-style fighters in the world, the San Jose resident and Vietnamese emigre has gone from being taunted on the playground to hailed as a hero inside the cage

That's amazing how Cung Le got his inspiration, drive and motivation to be one of the most reputable martial arts fighters in the whole world. It reminds me of my childhood. It was'nt easy. That motivated me to learn how to kick ass in Muai Thai as a teenager.

I'm definitely going to keep an eye on this rising star, Cung Le.

This post made my day after all the bad news I seen posted on this site today.

[tommyhtown]

BTW, Cung Le won last night.

[SunWuKong]

here's the last round of the fight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnGH5hhuLGE

[BillBlythe]

good fight. too bad shammy had to showboat and fight cung's fight instead of his. really looking forward to cung's first title defense.

[SunWuKong]

good fight. too bad shammy had to showboat and fight cung's fight instead of his. really looking forward to cung's first title defense.

yeah i was wondering why Shamrock wasn't trying harder to go to the ground. but Cung Le basically kicked the mofo in the arm until it broke.

[Sunflare]

here's the last round of the fight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnGH5hhuLGE

Auh fuck. Youtube took the damn video off the website. Assholes. :mad: :mad: :mad: 666

Looking an another older clip on youtube though I have to say I am simply amazed by his grappling ability as well as the way in which he executes his hooks and jabs. I love the armlocks he does. Those shin kicks looks vicious and can crack rib cages with the kind of force that is in his kicks. Fuck !!

This man is certainly a brilliant tactical fighter and has a very high rate of stamina. What is this guy? A cyborg killing machine? Woah.

link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r55mxK2xKc&NR=1

[snow ninja]

did anyone catch the guida (hairy rocker guy) vs. heurta fight the other day? that shit was savage. awesome fight

[Sunflare]

Nah. I was too busy freaking out studying for midterms. What happened in the fight and is there any links to any videos of that fight that you know of ? I wanna watch it.

[VV o n g B a]

ask and u shall receive:
http://www.mmaroot.com/cung-le-vs-frank-shamrock-strikeforce-video/

[Sunflare]

WongBa you are the best. Damn that was awesome !!

I loved the way Cung Le came out with a backfist and then caught Shamrock's front kick into a lock in midair into a takedown in theearly part in the third round before he totally fractured Shamrock's arm at the final seconds of the fight with some nasty shin kicks.

This guy is a vicious striker. It's just amazing to see this guy fights. Wow.

[tommyhtown]

did anyone catch the guida (hairy rocker guy) vs. heurta fight the other day? that shit was savage. awesome fight

That was a great fight, non-stop action.

[BillBlythe]

just rewatched the match and i noticed that cung was completely in sanshou mode. in the third when he caught shamrock's leg and swept him to the floor he just walked alway. that's what he usually does in his sanshou matches because i think u score a point just for that but no extras if u try to keep the guy to the ground(sanshou rules i believe). In mma though, the more your opponent is on his back the more dominance you look in the eyes of the judges. he should have done some leg kicks a la wanderlei silva to keep shamrock on his back for as long as possible until the ref intervenes.

[Sunflare]

Wanderlei Silva, he specializes in Muai Thai and has a black belt in Brazillian Jiu-Jistu. Yeah he's great with stomping floored opponents until the referee has to intervene. That guy fights dirty. I love the way he utilizes knees and elbows in his strikes. Cung Le on the other hand like you said before just walks away when he knocks down Shamrock. I don't know why. He should stomp the guy to a pulp.

I noticed Cung Le was going high too much with this kicks. Beautifully executed though and awesome to watch him do it. I wonder if had any bearing on the quick opening Shamrock got in middle of the third round before Cung Le devestated him with the two bone crushing shin kicks to his arm that ended the fight. I'll have to watch the video again and get a closer look.

I understand that that is NOT a smart thing to do in a real street fight, you are making yourself too vunerable to attacks from your opponent, kicking high like that. Well that was the philosophy my sifu taught me. Maybe he was wrong.

[BillBlythe]

he was kicking high because he knew shammy was blocking it with his wrist/hand area. so the more shammy blocks with that part of his arm, the more easily it's going to break.

in the post fight cung said he specifically targeted that area because he knew it would eventually snap. he even said that you have to block his kicks with two hands, not one.

[Sunflare]

Ah hah, that's why. That's right. I never got to see the post fight.

I remember the commentator (in the second round I think?) pointing out how red Shamrocks arm was getting from the blows by Le. Very, very smart. I guess he really studied his opponent well proir to the fight and realized that Shamrock has a tendancy to block the kicks to the midbody or head rather then try to evade them.

But what I am trying to say is that in a real street fight situation, you can't take that chance and go fancy like that against a stranger that you know nothing about as to how he fights.

Kicking high does not work well against grapplers, kicking low, jabs and straight punches and staying as long range as possible is better in that scenerio if you're primarily a striker fighting against a grappler, obviously. And if he comes too close and you can't get away, then come in with hooks, knees and elbows in an effort to floor him before he grabs you into a lock.

I learned this the hard way. LOL.

[SunWuKong]

But what I am trying to say is that in a real street fight situation, you can't take that chance and go fancy like that against a stranger that you know nothing about as to how he fights.

in a street fight you'd be able to do all the things that are illegal in MMA. biting, eye gouging, hitting the guy in the back of the head and in the spine, kicking him in the balls, nerve strikes, etc etc. basically all the stuff that takes away the advantage of striking. that's why MMA is geared toward naked men grinding against each other on the floor, aka grappling.

he should have done some leg kicks a la wanderlei silva to keep shamrock on his back for as long as possible until the ref intervenes.

maybe he didn't want to get too close to Shamrock while Shamrock is on the ground.

[Sunflare]

in a street fight you'd be able to do all the things that are illegal in MMA. biting, eye gouging, hitting the guy in the back of the head and in the spine, kicking him in the balls, nerve strikes, etc etc. basically all the stuff that takes away the advantage of striking.

Wow. Thats almost exactly what my sifu told me after a bad experience with a kid who we figured was gaining proficiency in some sort of grappling art, in junior high school. Realizing that Muai Thai was'nt enough for me, he suggested I get int Kali or Arnis, and I went for it. I started adding Kali classes to my training.

I'm glad those fucked up days is over living in one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in my city.

Now people just leave me alone and don't fuck with me anymore. Never been in a physical fight since 1999 when I got into it with a white dude in a bar in Maryland (I can still remember the confederate flags hanging all over the place on the walls inside the bar.)

[BillBlythe]

maybe he didn't want to get too close to Shamrock while Shamrock is on the ground.

maybe. i just found it odd that he walked away non chalantly when most guys, even if they had no ground game, like wanderlei for example, would get in a few stomps and thigh kicks to let the judge know who was dominant and win him the round outright.

[SunWuKong]

maybe. i just found it odd that he walked away non chalantly when most guys, even if they had no ground game, like wanderlei for example, would get in a few stomps and thigh kicks to let the judge know who was dominant and win him the round outright.

yeah.

actually i want to see a rematch where Shamrock actually tries to take Cung Le to the ground. it really seems like Shamrock was just trying to fight Cung Le standing up.

[tommyhtown]

I watched the tape again and saw one or two occasion where Shamrock tried to take Cung Le down. I think it's Cung Le's kick that kept Shamrock at bay. Also, someone pointed out that Shamrock knee(s) is bad that's why he can't shoot and take Cung Le down.

[Sunflare]

I heard about that too concerning a knee injury that Shamrock suffered from.

I dont think Frank Shamrock was that concerned about his past knee injury enough to worry about shoot fighting and grappling in the fight. Well at least at first.

I remember now, that you mentioned it Tommyhtown, that in the first takedown Le did on Shamrock, while still on the ground Shamrock was actually smiling and talking with obscenities taunting him telling him to come down for a ground fight, but Le did'nt respond to the invitation.

But I really think it was also the way the Cung Le fought, keeping the fight under his control at long range with all sorts of side kicks, spinning backfists and stuff that preventing him from changing the fight into a grappling game. Even if he wanted too, he could'nt , Le was too good with his standing game.

[tommyhtown]

I don't know if stomping is even allowed in StrikeForce/Elite XC bout. It will be insane for Le to 'mount and has his way' with Shamrock since that's not how he rolls. Man, MMA fight does sound homoerotic.

[Sunflare]

I don't know if stomping is even allowed in StrikeForce/Elite XC bout. It will be insane for Le to 'mount and has his way' with Shamrock since that's not how he rolls. Man, MMA fight does sound homoerotic.

HaHaHa !! When Shamrock was calling him on to mount him, I mean grapple with him, in the early rounds, Cung Le was probably saying to himself "I'm not getting assraped on the canvas! Fuck no."

Exactly then why Le kept walking away the two times he took Shamrock down. Now it makes sense. I'm sooooo wrong.

[Jimmyboi]

The guy recently won his fourth MMA fight- another knockout. Crazy abilities for an athlete that is considered out of his prime because of his age. Articulate guy and not bad looking at all either.



he just beat frank shamrock

[BillBlythe]

I don't know if stomping is even allowed in StrikeForce/Elite XC bout. It will be insane for Le to 'mount and has his way' with Shamrock since that's not how he rolls. Man, MMA fight does sound homoerotic.

what's so homoerotic about muscular, sweaty guys, in tight tight shorts mounting and pounding each other?

[Sunflare]

Just a bad joke on Tommyhtown's part that's all.

I knew a kid who was into the grappling arts that used to fight in the street sometimes by trying to do some 'homo' shit on his opponent , fondling the man on his haha, but only in an effort to startle and confuse the opponent, so he can find his opening and totally fuck him up by taking him into a suplex or a lock or something.

[Arex]

Um, sarcasm?

[Sunflare]

BillBlythe is just really into mixed Martial Arts. Can't knock him for that. I give him props for his intense interest in the sport.

[BillBlythe]

i'm confused.

[Azn Retribution]

I'm so tired of everyone asking why they couldn't take down cung le.
in MMA it's all about distance.

Cung Le is VERY good with maintaining distance.
proper shoots use up alot of energy.
He keeps out of range of a short shot.
the few times people do go for a shoot they eat a foot jab to the gut.
The way he uses those kicks as a jab is different than a punch jab because you can't weave past the kicks cuz they target the gut.
They work both as a bodyshot and a jab gassing out his opponent more.

You want to see another example of someone with good distance? youtube up genki sudo. That fool would dance in the middle of the cage / ring. He'd do kung fu poses and shit. Hell he'd do the robot then suddenly punch his opponent in the face. then hit him with repeated spinning back fists. He'd sometimes stand with his back to his opponent to screw with them. He fucked with people like this in both UFC and Pride.

The key way they can get away with what they do? perceiving and controlling the distance.

as for high kicks.. yeah they aren't high % unless you use them ALOT
in alive sparring/competition.

some high kicks can be used well but they can never be an initial attack. They always work good as follow up or finisher.

ie. left jab cross. straight, keeps him focused on your hands then follow up the last punch real quick with a inside knee jab then rebound off of the knee into a back kick that goes under his guard directly to his chin. if it doesn't hit his chin. it will hit his neck. (this is more of my experience against someone who primarily boxed though)

course you do have a point that a low kick after the initial punch combo would be higher percentage/less risk. but its also easier to block/check and if they are drunk, they wouldn't feel the "dead-leg" effect for several minutes if they didn't check your kick.

if they are going in for as shoot (usually telegraphed unless they are like blue belt or purple above in BJJ/Judo or really good wrestler)

it's as simple as pedaling backward a bit to make their shoot fall short and give them something to remember you by as you do. (This was frank's game against Cung. he faked a takedown and when cung went to block/stop it. frank tried to take him out with some hard hooks that almost worked)

Actually I should have probably remembered to put a dlsclaimer that my combos about effective high kicks are from my POV as I'm a southpaw who switches between unorthodox and orthodox leads depending on situation and to screw with people who've never sparred with anyone using a unmatched lead.

so i'm a weird fighter.

[WONTONnPHO]

I'm proud of Cung! The energy in the arena that night was electric, with half rooting for Le half for Shamrock. I'm glad Cung was able to withstand the pressure and pull out a huge win!

[Nidus]

cung le is a good fighter, but by no means is he a top 5 MW. ufc has alot more tougher comp that he needs to fight first.

[speedaddict]

isn't he getting old now? How old is he these days? I always loved his scissor kicks

[WONTONnPHO]

He's 35 now, no spring chicken but he performs real well. In MMA, fighters don't peak until they are in their 30's anyways. What made the Frank Shamrock fight also great was that they were the same height, weight, and from the same area each with a large loyal following.

Anderson Silva and Chuck Liddell are also in their mid 30's btw.

[Azn Retribution]

He's 35 now, no spring chicken but he performs real well. In MMA, fighters don't peak until they are in their 30's anyways. What made the Frank Shamrock fight also great was that they were the same height, weight, and from the same area each with a large loyal following.

Anderson Silva and Chuck Liddell are also in their mid 30's btw.

don't forget Randy Couture.

as for Cung Le. he's not at anderson silva's level
I'd place him as slightly above average in the UFC for his weight class.
at least until we see him actually get taken to the ground and see his ground game. we know he has one. a wrestling and a new BJJ background.

it just hasn't been seen yet.

I'd like to see Cung Le vs Lyoto Machida.

That would be a fucking awesome fight.