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SunWuKong
06-23-2007, 02:54 PM
so today is the 25th anniversary of Vincent Chin's death. there were townhall meetings planned (http://www.apaforprogress.org/node/190") in some major cities in the country, and I went to the one here in DC. thanks goes to raacluse (http://forums.yellowworld.org/member.php?u=327) for posting about the meetings in this thread (http://forums.yellowworld.org/showthread.php?t=33116).

we got to watch Who Killed Vincent Chin? and had a discussion about the film and about the current concerns and issues that face the Asian American community. i also saw Larry Shinagawa there, he's an Asian American Studies professor and somewhat of an activist himself. i went to the meeting wearing my old beat-up Vincent Chin T-Shirt (http://blacklava.net/store/product_info.php?products_id=35). there was a guy that was filming the meeting with a handheld, and at the end, he asked if I would let him film the shirt for a few minutes. so if you ever watch a documentary that uses the footage from this meeting - I'm the guy sitting in the front row with the Vincent Chin T-Shirt.

anyway, about the Vincent Chin case itself, it really leaves you wondering, "what the hell happened?" a guy at the discussion said that he used to work as a public defender here in DC, and that he has defended murderers before. he said that a sentence of a three-year probation and a $3000 fine is not uncommon, even today, for a manslaughter plead where the defendants had no prior records. according to this article (http://www.modelminority.com/article259.html), the plead was for involuntary manslaughter. now I know very little about legal terms and the justice system, but why the hell were they allowed to plead involuntary manslaughter, instead of voluntary manslaughter? there was clear intent to seriously injure Chin. did Chin just had a shitty prosecutor? is this some failing of the justice system? legal technicalities aside, on the surface of it, a sentence of a three-year probation and a $3000 fine seems extremely light even if Chin had not died. i mean, they held him and hit him repeatedly with a baseball bat.

LaiSteve66
06-23-2007, 05:14 PM
I guess I misunderstood. I thought they were convicted of murder by a jury and the judge gave them that sentence claiming: "The punishment should fit the person, not the crime" or something to that effect.

sageb1
06-23-2007, 05:49 PM
I read the wikipedia entry at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Chin

Ebens was subsequently convicted in a civil trial and ordered to paid $1.5 million over time to Chin's estate, but the guy liquidated all his assets and went into hiding.

Basically, two umemployed autoworkers mistook Chin for a Japanese man and killed him, because Japanese auto makers put them out of work.

These white guys got away with murder basically because of fear that American autoworkers would go on strike if they were rightfully charged for their crimes.

His mother said, "What kind of law is this? What kind of justice? This happened because my son is Chinese. If two Chinese killed a white person, they must go to jail, maybe for their whole lives... Something is wrong with this country."

However, contrary to how Ebens and Nitz and autoworkers like them feel, Japan wasn't the cause of their being unemployed. Due to recession in the 80s, politicians were urging businesses to downgrade and lay off employees. In short, the recession was organized by politicians to pressure businesses into investing offshore. And the only way they could do that was to let workers go, to free up cash to invest in off short plants.

Ebens, Nitz and other white workers actually should have been lobbying DC whose politicians organized the recession.

Thus, Vincent Chin's death was indirectly due to the politics of the 1980s.

sageb1
06-23-2007, 06:25 PM
Correction: Ebens and his son-in-law were employed autoworkers scapegoating Chin for the recession-related umemployment of their autoworker brothers.

However, I do not retract my statements implying that the recession was due to politicking in the mid-1980s.

SunWuKong
06-23-2007, 11:26 PM
Correction: Ebens and his son-in-law were employed autoworkers scapegoating Chin for the recession-related umemployment of their autoworker brothers.

actually it was Ebens and his stepson.

mr. x
06-24-2007, 12:19 PM
point of the matter is xenophobics always find it easier to blame colored people for the faults of our own homegrown corporations who often times could give less a fuck about them.

yoMAMA
06-24-2007, 07:02 PM
point of the matter is xenophobics always find it easier to blame colored people for the faults of our own homegrown corporations who often times could give less a fuck about them.

that's the plan:

pit poor whites against poc.

SunWuKong
06-26-2007, 09:35 AM
couple of other points i want to bring up:

1. you usually read about Vincent's mother in articles about him, probably because she was in the forefront of the effort to bring his killers to justice. but what about his fiance? he was due to be married a few days from his death. what happened to her? has she chosen to remain anonymous all these years?

2. the attorney guy i mentioned that was at the DC meeting, he made a comparison between the trial of Vincent's killers and the trial of the Korean store owner who shot a black girl in the back of the head and didn't get any jail time. is this a fair comparison?

LaiSteve66
06-26-2007, 05:00 PM
2. the attorney guy i mentioned that was at the DC meeting, he made a comparison between the trial of Vincent's killers and the trial of the Korean store owner who shot a black girl in the back of the head and didn't get any jail time. is this a fair comparison?

What were the circumstances behind the incident involving the Korean store owner?

tripostrophe
06-26-2007, 06:20 PM
What were the circumstances behind the incident involving the Korean store owner?

haha awesome, I found this link while reading through the archives the other day (circular)

http://www.coreanism.org/ (check the why? section)

oh but the incident itself is not awesome. i shouldn't use such language in the same post I guess.

sageb1
06-26-2007, 08:20 PM
It's more respectible for media to get soundbytes from Chin's mom than from his ex-fiancee.