i think there's a vicious double standard on this board

[2nd yellow]

you know, if you changed asian to white on this board then this would be considered a white supremacist board.

not trying to troll, i just sorta noticed.

[Craig]

Isn't that an overly broad generalization ... Personally, I've never known white people to be so fond of white-looking mixed race people of Asian descent.

[2nd yellow]

almost all of my friends are white. they're pretty fond of me. especially my girlfriend.

[rice cracker]

So we shouldn't focus on Asian American issues because white people will feel discriminated against? This may not be the forum for you.

[SunWuKong]

you know, if you changed asian to white on this board then this would be considered a white supremacist board.

not trying to troll, i just sorta noticed.

members of white supremacist boards talk about how white people are above all other people, how everybody else are "mud races", and advocate that all non-whites need to leave the US and any other white-majority country. we don't do that.

[2nd yellow]

you seem to be missing the point of my post.

i didn't say anything about talking about american asian issues.

my point is that if there was a board where it was whites celebrating their whiteness and how great it is to be white, there would be all kinds of different races pissed about it.

it's not just this board, but pretty much everywhere in america. if a popular white actor were to go on tv and say that he's proud to be white he would be cast off as a racist. black, asian, hispanic, indian, or whatever says the same thing, they're just proud of their heritage.

do you see the double standard?

[Craig]

you seem to be missing the point of my post.

i didn't say anything about talking about american asian issues.

my point is that if there was a board where it was whites celebrating their whiteness and how great it is to be white, there would be all kinds of different races pissed about it.

it's not just this board, but pretty much everywhere in america. if a popular white actor were to go on tv and say that he's proud to be white he would be cast off as a racist. black, asian, hispanic, indian, or whatever says the same thing, they're just proud of their heritage.

do you see the double standard?Before you mentioned this I was tending to agree with racism being on the forum. However, with your explaination, I am not agreeing. Whites in America / Europe / etc. are frequently celebrating their whiteness and how great it is to be white, etc. However, they are doing it implicitly via nationality, etc. with commonly understood implications that nationality is tied to race.

[SunWuKong]

you seem to be missing the point of my post.

i didn't say anything about talking about american asian issues.

my point is that if there was a board where it was whites celebrating their whiteness and how great it is to be white, there would be all kinds of different races pissed about it.

it's not just this board, but pretty much everywhere in america. if a popular white actor were to go on tv and say that he's proud to be white he would be cast off as a racist. black, asian, hispanic, indian, or whatever says the same thing, they're just proud of their heritage.

do you see the double standard?

i wouldn't give a shit if they were just "celebrating their whiteness", but every single group, website, or organisation that "celebrates whiteness" is also extremely racist. this is why people have a problem with whites "celebrating whiteness" - because white people can't seem to accomplish this feat without being racist.

[rice cracker]

I tend to agree with Craig. So much is assumed white-centric that there needs to be an outlet for minority voices.

I'm not sure what your point is. This is a forum with a focus on Asians and Asian Americans, are we to discuss the greatness of other races? Because there are other places for that.

As for the "double standard" well, I don't see too many people on YW whinging about going to a NASCAR board and clutching their pearls over how little Asian influence there was.

In addition, I wouldn't have a problem with a Norwegian-American board discussing their culture and issues that impact them as people of Norwegian heritage. It's possible for white people to go about their European roots like any minority can, not at the expense of other ethnicities.

[2nd yellow]

i wouldn't give a shit if they were just "celebrating their whiteness", but every single group, website, or organisation that "celebrates whiteness" is also extremely racist. this is why people have a problem with whites "celebrating whiteness" - because white people can't seem to accomplish this feat without being racist.

i'm sure that you've visited every single messageboard, group, or organisation in existance to make such a broad generalization like that.

[AngryABCGirl]

Mainstream US society is completely white-centric and can be generally insensitive to the voices of minorities, hence outlets like these. Seems pretty common sense to me. White American culture is pretty much celebrated as the norm in society already.

[monkeygone2]

i'm sure that you've visited every single messageboard, group, or organisation in existance to make such a broad generalization like that.

i think the point is.....
a messageboard, group, or organization w/ that kind of mission statement... you know what you're in for.

[deez nuts]

you know, if you changed asian to white on this board then this would be considered a white supremacist board.

not trying to troll, i just sorta noticed.

of course it would be. but, this is our war room and it preps us for the impending race war!

[LaiSteve66]

i'm sure that you've visited every single messageboard, group, or organisation in existance to make such a broad generalization like that.

Show us one pro-White board that isn't laced with neo-Nazism or White Nationalist/White-Supremacist Ideology.

Also, sign up at any Asian board and make your intro and state that you're mixed with Asian and White.

Now do the same for the White boards and come back and tells us who's racist.

[SunWuKong]

i'm sure that you've visited every single messageboard, group, or organisation in existance to make such a broad generalization like that.

yeah i have, that's right. or how about this, why don't you show us one that isn't racist?

[USCTrojanzNo1]

Unlike the majority of Asian American interest sites, yellowworld is very reasonable. Sure, there are some crazy personalities, but most of the posters on YW are very respectful of different perspectives and opinions.

There are other sites are there that are much more along the lines of "Asian Supremacy" sites such as ModelMinority.com and GoldSea. Yet unlike the white supremacy sites, the Asian Supremacy boards generally do not advocate violence against other races. The Asian Supremacy sites simply believe that (East) Asians are truly the most superior race (based on such criteria as IQs, prestige, money, etc.) and further believe that they are the ones who should be controlling the wealth and power of this nation.

[Craig]

Also, sign up at any Asian board and make your intro and state that you're mixed with Asian and White.

Now do the same for the White boards and come back and tells us who's racist.Any stories to tell ?

[LaiSteve66]

I've never seen anyone at modelminority.com claim Asians to be superior.

[raacluse]

...I wouldn't have a problem with a Norwegian-American board discussing their culture and issues that impact them as people of Norwegian heritage.

I don't know much about the trials and tribulations of Norwegian Americans, except from what I hear on the "Prairie Home Companion."
:wink:

I know that in Norway, there's been controversy over redress for people who were born during WWII, out of unions between German soldiers and Norwegian women. The Nazis were trying to increase the Aryan race.

After the war, a lot of the kids got thrown into orphanages and treated with hostility. Frida (or Anna-Frida) of ABBA, who was the product of such a German-Norwegian union, escaped that fate because her grandmother took (smuggled?) her to Sweden.

Anyhow, closer to the original topic... a black Wash. Post columnist pointed out, yesterday, that DC mayor Fenty (who's Black) has appointed a whole lotta whites to top posts: city administrator, fire chief, police chief, legal counsel, and attorney general.

So maybe the white people who live in DC should be celebrating this trend of "affirmative action" for whites in their local government?

[LaiSteve66]

Any stories to tell ?

Only for Asian boards:

http://forums.yellowworld.org/showthread.php?t=23524
http://www.thefighting44s.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3540
http://www.aznforum.com/community/showthread.php?t=606
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=59674&hl=

Andrew Chin did a recent clean up at modelminority.com so my intro there got nuked but there I only got one snide remark and that wasn't about being mixed.

I've never bothered to sign up at a White board but I've seen others do it and they get flamed. "You're a racial abomination" etc. Use your imagination.

[Craig]

Only for Asian boards:

http://forums.yellowworld.org/showthread.php?t=23524
http://www.thefighting44s.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3540
http://www.aznforum.com/community/showthread.php?t=606
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=59674&hl=

Andrew Chin did a recent clean up at modelminority.com so my intro there got nuked but there I only got one snide remark and that wasn't about being mixed.

I've never bothered to sign up at a White board but I've seen others do it and they get flamed. "You're a racial abomination" etc. Use your imagination.I'll pass, as I personally don't want to engage in racial situations. Don't usually see upfront discrimination at introductions when people find out you may not be what they expected, ... However, have seen it way too many times in life later on in snide backhanded remarks, or actions / responses. On the other hand, I usually try to present myself in the potentially most offensive racial/ethnic category to more quickly determine racism.

[Golden Monkey]

But what do you mean by "White boards"? Stormfront or AmRen?

Thats really out there.

Most "White boards" are interest or political orientation based.

If you are with their POV on political issues they will like you regardless of race. They are looking for allies.

Most White boards are not race based they just have a White majority of posters.

The race based ones are generally unrepresentative.

I found Stormfront and even AmRen uncomfortable yet some of the threads were interesting. But I haven't been there in years.

Too grating.

[Golden Monkey]

I think Yellowworld is a relatively civil site. Some posters play the hall monitor hissy over some issues but with the exception of one extremist, leftist poster here most people are reasonable even if they disagree.

Some other Asian US sites do have a clear cut emotionally disturbed quality to them.

It's not so much "Asian supremacist". It's more of a pathologically bitter, resentful -"let's find more examples of how the White Man is our arch enemy" - quality to them.

It's clearly some kind of sick addiction. It's not only the posters but the writing and selection of articles as well.

Pretty much the same subtext no matter what.

[eos]

i suggest you try the craigslist in your area.

there, everyone is an idiot, racist, sexist, perverted, AND the kicker.....it's completely anonymous!!!! w00t! you'll be on you tippy toes just TRYING to guess which asshat is white, or black, or *gasps* ASIAN!!!!

go craigslist!

[j&j2]

almost all of my friends are white. they're pretty fond of me. especially my girlfriend.

Gee, you must be special!

you seem to be missing the point of my post.

i didn't say anything about talking about american asian issues.

my point is that if there was a board where it was whites celebrating their whiteness and how great it is to be white, there would be all kinds of different races pissed about it.

it's not just this board, but pretty much everywhere in america. if a popular white actor were to go on tv and say that he's proud to be white he would be cast off as a racist. black, asian, hispanic, indian, or whatever says the same thing, they're just proud of their heritage.

do you see the double standard?

You seem to be missing the point.

"Whiteness" is continually "celebrated" in the mass media while Asians (and other minority groups have largely been negatively stereotyped).

While I'm not a large proponent of the whole "Asian pride" thing - I certainly understand that it is an alternative and reaction to the negative images of Asians that have been propagated by the general media.

That's also the reason why there is no need for "European-American" studies - since pretty much everything we learn at school and see around us is Eurocentric.

[2nd yellow]

i'm obviously getting nowhere with anyone because when i say "white board" everyone automatically thinks that it has to be a white supremacist board. what i meant was a predominately white board. even on a white board if someone came out and said that they were proud to be white they would be considered a white supremacist even by the liberal whites on the board.


i'm only saying this because the other board i'm usually on is probably 95% white and i've never encountered one racist moment or seen a white boarder try to belittle a boarder of a different race because of his race. if you guys are getting slagged on predominately white boards for being asian then you guys are probably saying some pretty stupid shit.

because white people can't seem to accomplish this feat without being racist.

when asians say shit like this i wonder why they're getting hated on.

saying something like that is on the same level as saying all asians have small penises to me. both are ignorant statements.

[tripostrophe]

so does 2nd yellow refer to some shade of white?

I'm going to reserve judgement on "white boards," as I have visited very few, but I will say that they are fun to draw on.

I'm not sure if you're a troll or confused or what but if you're really serious and concerned, I'd suggest reading some material by Tim Wise. Or any one of numerous posts explaining the situation. White is the default race in America -- so much so that it's gotten to a point where it's lost its "race-iness," much as kleenex has lost its "tissue-iness" through its market dominance.

And rice cracker's had some good posts too. European identity is awesome -- white identity is just basically celebrating the invisibility of your race and all the privileges that it bestows upon you, which is why so many people may react negatively to it. And I'm pretty sure that if you looked at it statistically, the majority of events/places/board celebrating white identity probably would have some element of white supremacist ideology mixed in -- not purposefully all the time, but there are plenty of those kinds of people out there.

So basically, read a book.

[Sven]

i'm obviously getting nowhere with anyone because when i say "white board" everyone automatically thinks that it has to be a white supremacist board. what i meant was a predominately white board. even on a white board if someone came out and said that they were proud to be white they would be considered a white supremacist even by the liberal whites on the board.

You're missing the point, here in society there is nothing that really makes whites ashamed to be white and like the others been saying white is generally celebrated in mainstream culture. And unless they’ve been living in a cave for their entire life, they should know what “white pride” means in our society.

When you go on to a general board no one "comes out" as white. The person is usually assumed to be white unless said others because people see white as the default. Why can't they be proud to be (of the oh-so-overused) Irish or something else?

Also@ liberal whites. I consider them the worst of them all since they are the type that’ll most likely say these things behind your back.

i'm only saying this because the other board i'm usually on is probably 95% white and i've never encountered one racist moment or seen a white boarder try to belittle a boarder of a different race because of his race. if you guys are getting slagged on predominately white boards for being asian then you guys are probably saying some pretty stupid shit.

I seriously doubt there is no racism at that forum. It could also be that you’re over-identified with whiteness and probably wouldn’t notice things like subtle racism. Not all racism has to be yelling out x to someone.

when asians say shit like this i wonder why they're getting hated on.

saying something like that is on the same level as saying all asians have small penises to me. both are ignorant statements.

Since when does an Asian person deserve to have racist attacks put on them? Saying stupid shit does not equal out to a reason call someone a racial slur or make them feel uncomfortable because of their race. It’s like when someone calls another person stupid and then the other person retaliating with a racial/ethnic slur - really makes no sense.

Also saying white people are racist =/= ignorant.

[2nd yellow]

i never said that it was okay to attack an asian racially, but i'm not going to sit and defend them if they're making horrible generalizations about other races. kind of a if you can't take it then dont dish it out thing.

along the lines of my other board, there may be some underlying racism, but i've never seen or experienced it and it's not because i'm "over-identified with whiteness". i don't identify with either to tell you the truth. i just happened to have more white friends because of school and my job.

[Dimeron]

i never said that it was okay to attack an asian racially, but i'm not going to sit and defend them if they're making horrible generalizations about other races. kind of a if you can't take it then dont dish it out thing.

along the lines of my other board, there may be some underlying racism, but i've never seen or experienced it and it's not because i'm "over-identified with whiteness". i don't identify with either to tell you the truth. i just happened to have more white friends because of school and my job.

See, you are making generalization right there. Racists come in all colors, but majority of us (at least on this board) do not condone such action. So let’s ignore racism against all Asians because there are couple racist Asians.

You sound like someone who lived a white privileged life and never experienced racism first hand.

[Sven]

i never said that it was okay to attack an asian racially, but i'm not going to sit and defend them if they're making horrible generalizations about other races. kind of a if you can't take it then dont dish it out thing.

I'm guessing you're going for the dictionary definition of racism and even if so you should know that all racism isn’t the same. White people have institutional/societal power and it makes things different then let’s say thinking white people smell like wet dogs then saying all Asians are smart and self-sufficient therefore need no help. The first is something silly, this isn’t a stereotype that tag on to white people or bother them in their life really while the latter is continuing the model minority myth hurting Asians who do need help and aren’t as bright as the others.

I still don't see how js was racist either. Either way, it doesn't justify attacking people on the basis of their race similarly if someone ere called me racial slur I wouldn't go back and do the same. Why not insult them on the basis of the individual instead of their race?

along the lines of my other board, there may be some underlying racism, but i've never seen or experienced it and it's not because i'm "over-identified with whiteness". i don't identify with either to tell you the truth. i just happened to have more white friends because of school and my job.

I'm not sure what you mean. You don't identify with whiteness and what else?

[2nd yellow]

See, you are making generalization right there. Racists come in all colors, but majority of us (at least on this board) do not condone such action. So let’s ignore racism against all Asians because there are couple racist Asians.

you guys are trying to put words into my mouth.

You sound like someone who lived a white privileged life and never experienced racism first hand.

i broken my knuckles on so many white, black, and asian faces it's not even funny. my dad was factory worker and my mom was housewife. nothing priviledged about that. being mixed and adopted i never fit in with any race regardless of the fact that i look more asian than white. all i had to do was speak and the asian kids knew i wasn't one of them. i didnt grow up in a podunk town either. i grew up in chicago where racism is pretty horrible.

[2nd yellow]

I still don't see how js was racist either. Either way, it doesn't justify attacking people on the basis of their race similarly if someone ere called me racial slur I wouldn't go back and do the same. Why not insult them on the basis of the individual instead of their race?

js was generalizing about an entire race. he said that whites can't be proud of being white without being racist. to me that's a pretty ignorant statment. everything else you just said pretty much how i feel.

[LaiSteve66]

i'm obviously getting nowhere with anyone because when i say "white board" everyone automatically thinks that it has to be a white supremacist board. what i meant was a predominately white board. even on a white board if someone came out and said that they were proud to be white they would be considered a white supremacist even by the liberal whites on the board.


i'm only saying this because the other board i'm usually on is probably 95% white and i've never encountered one racist moment or seen a white boarder try to belittle a boarder of a different race because of his race. if you guys are getting slagged on predominately white boards for being asian then you guys are probably saying some pretty stupid shit.


You can't compare Asian themed boards like yellowworld or AsiaFinest.com to those boards that you're referring to. I too, post at a predominantly White forum called screwattack. It's a gaming forum that's predominated by Whites but it's not a White themed forum. There we talk about about gaming, not racial issues.

When we say White forum, we mean White themed forums like Stormfront.

Just like some car forums are predominated by Asians but those are not Asian forums anymore then the gaming forums I post at are White forums.

Yellowword is a race forum, like Black Planet, or Stormfront, or hapas.com, or brownpride.us. Each group talks about those issues facing their respective community and express pride or whatever.


when asians say shit like this i wonder why they're getting hated on.

saying something like that is on the same level as saying all asians have small penises to me. both are ignorant statements.

Show us one White themed forum that isn't laced with neo-Nazism or White Nationalism/White Supremacy and prove the statement ignorant.

[2nd yellow]

lol. jesus christ dude. are you reading anything that i'm posting?

[LaiSteve66]

Just for clarification, I was replying primarily to this sentence:

i'm obviously getting nowhere with anyone because when i say "white board" everyone automatically thinks that it has to be a white supremacist board.

We really don't consider boards that just happen to be predominated by Whites to be "White boards". Like a gaming forum predominated by Whites is a gaming forum, not a "White board". "White boards" means White themed boards to us.

That's the point I'm trying to make.

[bluemonq]

so, to summarize:

2nd yellow: "Yellowworld is an Asian supremacist board."
various people: "No it's not, because talking about 'how Asians are better than everyone else' is not the point of, or even a focus of, the board.


2nd yellow: "White boards are not all racist."
various people: "You're right. Boards which simply have a very high proportion of Whites aren't racist for the most part, but boards that are centered on the topic of the '"White" race/ethnicity' and 'White power' generally are."


2nd yellow "So how come Yellowworld isn't an Asian supremacist board?"
various people: "Because we talk about - among other things - issues that Asians may or may not have an interest in, not about how everybody else sucks. We also don't heckle non-Asians for the reason that they're non-Asian."
i think that about sums it up.

[tripostrophe]

:cheer: for blue monq

[LaiSteve66]

you know, if you changed asian to white on this board then this would be considered a white supremacist board.

not trying to troll, i just sorta noticed.

Let's see here.

I visit a website called Whiteworld.org with the tagline: "The cultivation of a political White consciousness".

Initial Reaction: Ooooh that looks racist.

Upon further review however I find:

1) Some of the mods are only half-White
2) No anti-semetism or Jewish conspiracy theories
3) No links to "Black Invention myths"
4) Gay and Lesbian room
5) Room for people who are half White and talk about half-White issues
6) Black people with over a thousand posts
7) No Holocaust denial
8) Non-Whites can post anywhere
9) No member being harassed for being non-White
10) No one asserting that the White Race is superior

Is this really a White supremacist forum?

You do have a point though, White people can't express racial pride without coming off as racist.

[BigLew]

you know, if you changed asian to white on this board then this would be considered a white supremacist board.

not trying to troll, i just sorta noticed.

Yes you are a troll. Why don't you just be a fuckin man and come out and say it? It's "reverse racism" right? I didn't know white supremecists were such pussies online.

[BigLew]

You do have a point though, White people can't express racial pride without coming off as racist.

It's a whitecentric society. This shit is the same as saying a woman's rights group is sexist.

[snailpoo]

so, to summarize:



i think that about sums it up.

Yep.

[LaiSteve66]

This shit is the same as saying a woman's rights group is sexist.

No it's not. This statement would be accurate if you said men instead of women. Historically, men have oppressed women. Therefore women correspond to minorities and men correspond to Whites, thus your analogy is false.

Nevertheless, it doesn't change the fact that Whites can't express racial pride without coming off as racist, Whitecentric society or not.

[BigLew]

No it's not. This statement would be accurate if you said men instead of women. Historically, men have oppressed women. Therefore women correspond to minorities and men correspond to Whites, thus your analogy is false.I'm talking about the thread not your comment.

[eos]

where in chicago do you live? white suburbia? white north side? if yes, then it makes sense that you only have white friends and a white gf.

however, if you live on the west side or south side, and you still have any of the above, you are specifically seeking out white people and therefore must be taken care of. i mean, talked some sense into.

[SunWuKong]

2nd yellow. first you say this:

i didn't say anything about talking about american asian issues.

my point is that if there was a board where it was whites celebrating their whiteness and how great it is to be white, there would be all kinds of different races pissed about it.

then you say this:

i'm obviously getting nowhere with anyone because when i say "white board" everyone automatically thinks that it has to be a white supremacist board. what i meant was a predominately white board.

so help me out here. are you referring to some elusive board that's not specifically about being white, but whose members just happen to be predominantly white, where members "celebrate their whiteness"?

[eos]

also, which board do you belong to that doesn't have this racist attitude? i, and i'm sure everyone else in this thread, would like to see this with our own eyes.

[sageb1]

Actually it's interesting to note that the most popular South Asian actresses are lighter in colour than the average South Asian woman.

And the one CBC journalist from Kerala did not delve into controversial topics much. The one article she wrote was about Indian cooking.

Also, Miss Korea, Miss Taiwan and Miss Japan look closer to the Eurasian ideal than as typical representative of female beauty in their respective countries.

So, subconsciously we're probably more "white" than white people are, if "white" means neoconservative and assimilated.

Perhaps this explains my fascination with sexuality.

[Dimeron]

i never said that it was okay to attack an asian racially, but i'm not going to sit and defend them if they're making horrible generalizations about other races. kind of a if you can't take it then dont dish it out thing.


you guys are trying to put words into my mouth.


From your first statement, you made it very clear that you will not defend Asian against racism because some Asians happens to like to make generalization about other races.

Guess what, the thing with racism attacks is that it affects everyone. I may not like Al Sharpton as an individual, but if someone called him a "nigger slave" it is still damn offensive. Because at that point it is no longer about the individual but an attack on a people as a whole.

[2nd yellow]

You do have a point though, White people can't express racial pride without coming off as racist.

thanks

[TB4000]

where in chicago do you live? white suburbia? white north side? if yes, then it makes sense that you only have white friends and a white gf.

however, if you live on the west side or south side, and you still have any of the above, you are specifically seeking out white people and therefore must be taken care of. i mean, talked some sense into.

LOL, it's reminding me of you talking about your girl who said she wanted to go to school at UIC because it was too diverse up here.

[buttermilkwise]

thanks

As someone said earlier american pride is already celebrated as white pride, and an american is commonly assumed to be a white person. So it's not like an ethnic identity is necessary unless:

a.) You have ethnic/cultural roots in europe, such as being proud of being Jewish.

b.) White people need to band together and fend themselves off of racial abuse and powerplay from the majority of native-americans that have a history of oppressing the white people and colonizing their lands.

Why do you even care so much, are you a white dude posing as an asian guy?

[j&j2]

As someone said earlier american pride is already celebrated as white pride, and an american is commonly assumed to be a white person. So it's not like an ethnic identity is necessary unless:

a.) You have ethnic/cultural roots in europe, such as being proud of being Jewish.

b.) White people need to band together and fend themselves off of racial abuse and powerplay from the majority of native-americans that have a history of oppressing the white people and colonizing their lands.

Why do you even care so much, are you a white dude posing as an asian guy?

LOL!!! Exactly.

There really is no need to "express" "white-pride" since it pretty much exists everywhere in popular American culture/everyday life/history/etc. (just as there is no need for heteros to celebrate "straight pride" as opposed to gays/lesbians).

Otoh, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the Irish celebrating "Irish pride" or the Italians celebrating "Italian pride", etc. (note - how they tend to be white ethnic groups which have had a history/experience of facing discrimination in this country).