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SunWuKong
06-19-2007, 12:40 PM
it's because of these things that the Japanese government's half-assed "apologies" will never be enough to get history off its back. what's the point in its admission of guilt when Japanese politicians are continually playing down the atrocities?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6768847.stm

Japan MPs play down 1937 killings
By Chris Hogg
BBC News, Tokyo

A group of MPs from Japan's governing party is claiming the Chinese have exaggerated the number of people killed by Japanese troops in Nanjing in 1937.

China claims that during the assault on the city around 300,000 people were killed by the Japanese.

In Tokyo the MPs, from the right wing of the governing Liberal Democratic Party, claimed a month-long study they organised showed 20,000 died.

At the end of the year China will mark the 70th anniversary of the attack.

They call it the 'rape of Nanking', the name of the city in English at the time of the incident.

Thousands killed

Several films will tell the story of what happened there. Nanjing was the capital city of China.

After it fell to the Japanese Imperial Army on 13 December 1937, the occupiers terrorised the city's population. Many thousands were killed.

But some in Japan want to use the anniversary to promote their view that the death toll, cited by the Chinese, is a fiction.

China says 300,000 lost their lives in Nanjing. Some experts argue a more accurate estimate is between 150,000 and 200,000.

These lawmakers say a month-long study of historical documents suggests there is no evidence that soldiers killed any more than 20,000. What is more, they say, the Japanese did not violate international law.

Clearly these are hugely provocative statements, but do they matter? The Japanese and Chinese governments are carrying out their own joint study.

The exercise is designed to try to reduce the chances that disputes over historical fact will derail efforts to improve relations between them.

Trouble ahead?

But the announcement by these lawmakers will make life difficult for Japan's Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, a well-known conservative.

He will no doubt now be asked repeatedly whether he shares the views of this large contingent of his own party.

But watch for the response of the Chinese.

A measured response will signal that they are not prepared to allow history to dominate discussions between Beijing and Tokyo in the run up to this important anniversary. An angry one could signal trouble ahead.

popculturepooka
06-19-2007, 12:50 PM
Damn, JAPAN, damn!!

What's the point of downplaying how many they killed? It just further hurts China-Japan relations...

But, I must say...I have a feeling that people would never let them live it down, even if they did "mean" their apologies...

SunWuKong
06-19-2007, 01:09 PM
Damn, JAPAN, damn!!

What's the point of downplaying how many they killed? It just further hurts China-Japan relations...

But, I must say...I have a feeling that people would never let them live it down, even if they did "mean" their apologies...

i think unfortunately the issue of an "apology" has been used as a tool of international politicking between Japan and China. personally, i don't really care if they make an apology or not. i would like to see something more concrete, like:
1. reparations for the surviving individuals who were comfort women or who suffered from experimentation of biological weapons.
2. stop authorising textbooks that whitewash Japan's WW2 atrocities. i know not many schools actually use these books, and this is a great credit to the Japanese people themselves, but the point really is that the government actually authorises them as suitable material to teach to kids.
3. stop visiting Yasukuni Shrine. it's gotten to the point where Japanese politicians make it a point to visit this shrine just to show Japan's neighbors that they don't give a damn what other countries say.
4. owe up to the death toll and the rapes that the Tokyo War Crimes Tribunal acknowledges, and stop denying that the Japanese imperial forces committed war crimes.

basically it would be nice if Japanese politicians would just stop downplaying the atrocities.

yoMAMA
06-19-2007, 03:33 PM
Damn, JAPAN, damn!!

What's the point of downplaying how many they killed? It just further hurts China-Japan relations...

But, I must say...I have a feeling that people would never let them live it down, even if they did "mean" their apologies...

look for ccp to orchestrate anti-japan demonstrations anyday now to deflate the child slavery scandal....

and the assholes in the japanese diet...

Dimeron
06-19-2007, 07:55 PM
look for ccp to orchestrate anti-japan demonstrations anyday now to deflate the child slavery scandal....

and the assholes in the japanese diet...

They don't need to orchestrate anything. They just need to tell their cyber agent to stop blocking forums and sites that organizes anti-japan protests and woa la

SunWuKong
06-19-2007, 09:09 PM
They don't need to orchestrate anything. They just need to tell their cyber agent to stop blocking forums and sites that organizes anti-japan protests and woa la

actually most of those protests were organised in a very grassroots manner through text messaging.

yoMAMA
06-19-2007, 11:37 PM
actually most of those protests were organised in a very grassroots manner through text messaging.

they can organize all they want, but large scale demonstrations (as we seen a few years ago against japan) just don't happen in china without ccp's ok.

AngryABCGirl
06-20-2007, 02:22 AM
I don't really understand this stupidity from Japan sometimes. It really pisses me and not only does it dishonor all the victims, it totally fucks up East Asian development today.

CBC guy
06-20-2007, 05:34 PM
Ahh Japan again...

If they don't do something soon about the war they will find a frosty reception throughout Asia, once again.

I really can't put it any more tactfully: those MPs are fuckwads

AznTrojan
06-20-2007, 08:02 PM
those nukes by the u.s weren't that bad.. =P

j&j2
06-21-2007, 12:32 PM
And let's not forget the full-page ad in The Washington Post by a group of MPs denying the govt.'s complicity (during WWII) with regard to comfort women.

A GROUP of Japanese MPs have placed a full-page advertisement in The Washington Post that denies Japan's military forced up to 200,000 women into sexual slavery during World War II.

The ad, which seeks to share "the truth with the American people" about the "comfort women" who were driven into brothels, was signed by 44 members of Japan's parliament.

"No historical document has ever been found by historians or research organisations that positively demonstrates that women were forced against their will into prostitution by the Japanese army," the ad said under the title, in bold letters, "THE FACTS".

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21909959-5005961,00.html

Btw, this ad has seemingly backfired with the US Congress, which now seems more likely to pass Rep. Honda's bill.

Dimeron
06-21-2007, 02:42 PM
they can organize all they want, but large scale demonstrations (as we seen a few years ago against japan) just don't happen in china without ccp's ok.

That's my point. Anti-Japanese sentiment in China is high enough that CCP does not need to orchestrate anything. They can just turn a blind eye to anti-Japanese meetings and discussions and those demonstration will just happen by itself.