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SunWuKong
06-14-2007, 01:57 PM
the poll was conducted in 2001, so it's not really "current" events, but i thought i'd post it up anyway. here is a chart of the poll results (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2001/04/27/MN199998.DTL&type=chart).

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2001/04/27/MN199998.DTL

Asian Americans seen negatively
Results of landmark survey called startling, disheartening

One in four Americans has "strong negative attitudes" toward Chinese Americans, would feel uncomfortable voting for an Asian American for president of the United States, and would disapprove of a family member marrying someone of Asian descent, according to a landmark national survey.

The results of the telephone poll conducted in the first two weeks of March were startling, said Henry Tang, chief executive officer of the Committee of 100, a Chinese American leadership organization that sponsored the survey -- the first of its kind.

"We always knew that there was some negativity out there, but we were startled at the magnitude," he said yesterday in a telephone interview. "These observations are results of many decades . . . of stereotyping inside the American society."

Tang said it is all the more disheartening that the survey of 1,216 Americans was conducted before the recent collision between a U.S. spy plane and a Chinese fighter jet off Hainan.

"The numbers are probably higher now than when the survey was done," Tang said.

As a result of the standoff over the release of the crew of the U.S. plane, which made an emergency landing in China, talk-show hosts began calling for internment of Chinese Americans and for boycotts of Chinese restaurants.

The poll, conducted by Yankelovich Partners in collaboration with the Anti- Defamation League and the Marttila Communications Group, chiefly studied Americans' attitudes toward Chinese Americans and Asian Americans. The study found that respondents felt virtually the same about Chinese Americans as about Asian Americans in general.

NEGATIVE VIEWS
The survey found 25 percent of respondents harbor very negative attitudes and stereotypes toward Chinese Americans.

Twenty-three percent of respondents felt uncomfortable supporting an Asian American presidential candidate, compared to 15 percent for an African American, 14 percent for a woman and 11 percent for a Jew.

Twenty-four percent disapprove of intermarriage with an Asian American, second only to African Americans, while 7 percent wouldn't want to work for an Asian American chief executive officer, compared to 4 percent who would not want to work for an African American, 3 percent for a woman and 4 percent for a Jew.

The survey also concluded that 32 percent of Americans feel that Chinese Americans likely would be more loyal to China than to the United States, while 17 percent said they would be upset if a substantial number of Asian Americans moved into their neighborhood.

CONFLICTING MESSAGE
On the other hand, the vast majority said they believe Chinese Americans have strong family values and are as honest as other business people.

"Ninety percent said they think Chinese Americans have strong family values,

yet: 'You can't marry my kid.' What is that all about?" said Zenobia Lai, executive director of the Asian Law Caucus in San Francisco. " 'You can be creative, hard-working and honest, but you can't be my president.' I can't find any explanation, except that it's a kind of prejudice and racism."

Ted Wang, policy director for Chinese for Affirmative Action in San Francisco, said the survey does not surprise him. It follows other studies conducted by graduate students in recent years.

He said the low opinion of Asian Americans as leaders, in both government and business, is indicative of feelings about the community as a whole.

'PERPETUAL FOREIGNER'
"There is a perception that we are still not American, that we're the perpetual foreigner," said Wang. "That plays into the distrust of Asian Americans in the context of government and private corporations."

Wang, like Lai, said he is puzzled by the paradoxical perception about Asian Americans.

"We're held out as a model minority in the context of the American whole, but we're seen as something less than desirable and trustworthy than the average American," said Wang.

Saratoga software contractor Larry Wang, 47, said he was saddened to hear the numbers. But he said the survey is a call for Chinese Americans to become even more involved in their local communities.

"I would hope most people would feel we are part of this society. We are not foreigners and strangers," said Larry Wang. "I think we need to make more contributions to society and the community. That way we can change people's attitudes."

Dr. Albert Wang, 42, of Fremont, said Asians don't deserve the rap they're getting.

"Most Asian Americans are law-abiding, contributing members of the community," said Wang. "Maybe we could be more active, but I don't think we're deserving of this."

Both Tang and Lai believe education is key to overcoming negative feelings toward Asian Americans.

Such attitudes don't simply "spring up when people turn 25," Lai said.

School curricula should be improved to help dispel myths about Asian Americans, Tang added.

"Textbooks don't have enough presentation of Asian and Asian American history," he said. "I'm always baffled that in 2001 . . . Asian languages are not offered in more secondary schools."

Lai said perceptions must be changed. "It'll take a lot of work and commitment by both Asian Americans and non-Asian Americans," she said.

tripostrophe
06-14-2007, 02:23 PM
bah, this was old news before 2001. =P

Faithless
06-14-2007, 05:57 PM
I asked them if there were any updates since 2001.

I'm thinking some attitudes might have changed. Link to survey (http://www.committee100.org/publications/survey/C100survey.pdf).

There's a Q about AA's as "marriage partners".

Familial disapproval of marriage to a black was 34% with AA's fairing at 24% and Hispanics at 21%. I have a tendancy to think that numbers for AA's compared to Hispanics might have switched in the negative climate we have on Hispanics currently.

LaiSteve66
06-14-2007, 07:47 PM
So much for being the model minority.

Arex
06-14-2007, 11:24 PM
So much for that stupid Newsweek article which said Asian American men were the new trophy husbands circa 1999-2000.

LaiSteve66
06-15-2007, 12:11 PM
Things have probably gotten worse since Virginia Tech.

AngryABCGirl
06-15-2007, 12:41 PM
Things have probably gotten worse since Virginia Tech.

I think 2007 will be known at the year the model minority left the building.

tripostrophe
06-15-2007, 02:12 PM
^I don't know about that...I swear, aside from a few far-right conservative commentators, no one seemed to focus on his race/ethnicity to an extreme degree. There were the subtle implications, but no calls for deportation or anything. It's like they knew what we were thinking and decided to reign us back into the MM/honorary white position before we got away from them...

USCTrojanzNo1
06-15-2007, 02:50 PM
I think 2007 will be known at the year the model minority left the building.

Besides Seung-hui Cho, there are at least five reasons why Asians can no longer be considered the model minority...

Joseph Cho: Yale Graduate and former UPenn law student tried to kill a couple of Indian students, accusing them of being terrorists (and East Asians thought THEY were the ones being stereotyped).

Kenneth Eng: Asian supremacist, Dragon Master, and anti-black bigot is now in jail in charges of attempted murder.

Duke MBA students: NINE Asian Duke MBA students EXPELLED for CHEATING. 24 other MBA students reprimanded (many of them also Asian). The Asian students claimed that it was a cultural misunderstanding (and I thought it was black people who used the race card).

Allen Lee: knucklehead wrote some fantasies about killing high school students, was charged with disorderly conduct (later dropped).

Azia Kim and Elizabeth Ozakaki: insecure people tried to pose as Stanford students, probably because going to a prestigious, elite school was an Asian thing.

Where's Yul Kwon when you need him? He'll help us restore the East Asians' model minority status!!

tripostrophe
06-15-2007, 03:14 PM
Besides Seung-hui Cho, there are at least five reasons why Asians can no longer be considered the model minority...

Joseph Cho: Yale Graduate and former UPenn law student tried to kill a couple of Indian students, accusing them of being terrorists (and East Asians thought THEY were the ones being stereotyped).

Kenneth Eng: Asian supremacist, Dragon Master, and anti-black bigot is now in jail in charges of attempted murder.

Duke MBA students: NINE Asian Duke MBA students EXPELLED for CHEATING. 24 other MBA students reprimanded (many of them also Asian). The Asian students claimed that it was a cultural misunderstanding (and I thought it was black people who used the race card).

Allen Lee: knucklehead wrote some fantasies about killing high school students, was charged with disorderly conduct (later dropped).

Azia Kim and Elizabeth Ozakaki: insecure people tried to pose as Stanford students, probably because going to a prestigious, elite school was an Asian thing.

Where's Yul Kwon when you need him? He'll help us restore the East Asians' model minority status!!

Aaaahhh why all the hate for Yul Kwon? I don't think of him as the "model minority" at all! Sure, he's been "successful" in the traditional go to college get a good job etc. sense, but more importantly than that, he's raising the issues that need to be raised around our community. If he'd done all he did and just quietly went back to his life without doing all he's done so far, I'd share your views as well. However, you can't just dismiss all the good the guy has done for the community just because he's been leading a good life thus far.

I think Joseph Cho is a blip.

Kenneth Eng is way too extreme for people to consider him representative.

The MBA scandal will mostly affect those in grad school/law/that area -- otherwise, the rest of America won't pay it much mind.

Allen Lee was just "riding on the coattails" of Seung Hui -- meaning that his story is linked to it as an afterthought.

Azia and Ozakaki sort of, will be known around colleges for a while but no lasting impact.

Despite the fact that I don't believe many of these people will end up having a lasting impact on how the rest of America views the APIA community, I believe that in each instance, people were quietly digesting more "benign," less explicit stereotypes and possibly prejudices, rather than an outright racism.

So we're still the model minority, but at the same time, we're still foreign violent screwed up in the head shady. Same as always -- tolerance, but no trust.

How does that theory sound?

USCTrojanzNo1
06-15-2007, 03:33 PM
^While I notice that many Asians (particular the East Asians, Chinese, Korean, etc.), are "proud" of their model minority status and see it as empowering to their image, I'm personally no fan of the model minority image and I think it's doing more damage to the Asian American community than we seem to realize (or accept). Many Asian Americans who "fail" to live up to the model minority image often lose their self esteem (b/c they are a disappointment to their Asian parents and the Asian community) and may even engage in potentially self-destructive behavior. I think Azia Kim is a perfect example of that kind of personality.

I personally don't hate Yul Kwon at all. Do I respect him? Of course. However, I will say that I think he's very overrated. If Yul Kwon didn't go to a good name college or wasn't highly intelligent, I don't think he would be getting this much admiration from the Asian American community. Further, if Yul Kwon were dorky or even average looking, I don't think he'll get this much admiration either. HE's been hailed as a stereotype breaker, the type who'll elevate the image of Asians from being model minority dorks to model minority hunks. That's why so many Asian parents I'm sure aspiring their kids to be the next Yul Kwon.

Why is there no love for guys like Apolo Anton Ohno, James Sun, At Last (Boy Band group who appeared in America's Got Talent), etc.? There are so many positive Asian role models who defy stereotypes.

tripostrophe
06-15-2007, 03:49 PM
^While I notice that many Asians (particular the East Asians, Chinese, Korean, etc.), are "proud" of their model minority status and see it as empowering to their image, I'm personally no fan of the model minority image and I think it's doing more damage to the Asian American community than we seem to realize (or accept). Many Asian Americans who "fail" to live up to the model minority image often lose their self esteem (b/c they are a disappointment to their Asian parents and the Asian community) and may even engage in potentially self-destructive behavior. I think Azia Kim is a perfect example of that kind of personality.

I personally don't hate Yul Kwon at all. Do I respect him? Of course. However, I will say that I think he's very overrated. If Yul Kwon didn't go to a good name college or wasn't highly intelligent, I don't think he would be getting this much admiration from the Asian American community. Further, if Yul Kwon were dorky or even average looking, I don't think he'll get this much admiration either. HE's been hailed as a stereotype breaker, the type who'll elevate the image of Asians from being model minority dorks to model minority hunks. That's why so many Asian parents I'm sure aspiring their kids to be the next Yul Kwon.

Why is there no love for guys like Apolo Anton Ohno, James Sun, At Last (Boy Band group who appeared in America's Got Talent), etc.? There are so many positive Asian role models who defy stereotypes.

Just to clarify, I hate the MM myth.

And I don't know if you can really make those arguments about anyone -- Yul Kwon is what he is. But while I think his looks do play a significant role, I think that he'd still be popular regardless of the other aspects of him that could be categorized as fitting into the MM. He's passionate about the community, confident, and articulate enough to give a good interview I suppose. Driven enough to get things done. Took personal responsibility as a member of the community (like Becky) by conscious efforts to represent us well. Wow I sound like a fanboy but yeah.

Good point with the other potential role models. Don't know why, but

. Survivor probably had a much bigger viewership than the other two shows
.Yul won, while Sun and At Last were simply more victims of reality TV...
.There was a lot of hate for Ohno because of his collision w. the South Korean skater a few years back -- plus I'm not sure if he advertises his hapa status much?
.Yul followed through post-win.

tripostrophe
06-15-2007, 03:49 PM
but wow off-topic w. Kwon

USCTrojanzNo1
06-15-2007, 03:55 PM
Just to clarify, I hate the MM myth.

And I don't know if you can really make those arguments about anyone -- Yul Kwon is what he is. But while I think his looks do play a significant role, I think that he'd still be popular regardless of the other aspects of him that could be categorized as fitting into the MM. He's passionate about the community, confident, and articulate enough to give a good interview I suppose. Driven enough to get things done. Took personal responsibility as a member of the community (like Becky) by conscious efforts to represent us well. Wow I sound like a fanboy but yeah.

Good point with the other potential role models. Don't know why, but

. Survivor probably had a much bigger viewership than the other two shows
.Yul won, while Sun and At Last were simply more victims of reality TV...
.There was a lot of hate for Ohno because of his collision w. the South Korean skater a few years back -- plus I'm not sure if he advertises his hapa status much?
.Yul followed through post-win.

Dancing with the Stars has been beating Survivor lately in ratings, but Survivor also has existed for a longer time.

And yeah, noticed that not many Asians seem to be enamored with Ohno (for several reasons: in part b/c of the Olympics controversy but also because some ppl think he's a cocky punk and/or too "whitewashed" to be Asian). Though you had to give him credit for winning Dancing with the Stars. And Julianne Hough (Ohno's partner on Dancing) is smokin' hot.

Apolo was also honored at the Asian Hall of Fame and his Japanese father has been fairly ubitiquous on Dancing with the Stars.

Yep, Asians' hatred for Apolo reminds me of their hatred for Lucy Liu. Funny enough, a lot of Asians seem to admire fellow hapa Hines Ward a lot more even though Hines looks a lot more black than Asian.

Another thing I will say though is that sometimes its unfair that when you see an Asian American (particular East Asian) in the media, he has the "burden" of representing the entire Asian community. So if the Asian American actor looks like an idiot on screen or perpetuates a negative stereotype, he's accused of shaming the Asian community and making Asians look bad (e.g., Aaron the Asian Cowboy on Hell's Kitchen, Andy Wang on MMA, etc.). Further, sometimes Asian Americans (particular men) can have extremely chauvinistic attitudes. When you see an Asian woman with a Caucasian man in the media, Asians accuse her of being a sell out. But when you see an Asian male (excluding quasi Asians like Indians, hapas, etc.) with a white female, all the Asians guys worship him like he's Ron Jeremy.

What also bothers me is that sometimes, whenever you see an Asian American portray a non-Asian stereotype (e.g., a "regular" Joe), he's accused of being whitewashed.

USCTrojanzNo1
06-15-2007, 04:31 PM
It's not just the East Asians though that had their share of scandals this year.

South Asians (I know they may only be considered quasi Asians, but they're Asians nonetheless) also had to endure some embarassing scandals.

Anand Jon, celebrity fashion designer, has been arrested on charges of sexual assault (up to 46 charges)!

The country of India threatened to send Richard Gere to jail because he publicly kissed an Indian actress.

And then there's SANJAYA. Not since William Hung has there been an Asian male who received this much media attention due to American Idol. unfortunately like WIlliam Hung, Sanjaya's media attention has mostly been derogatory.

mr. x
06-17-2007, 02:56 PM
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/30251

Look on the bright side, most of those examples we keep citing I'm sure most people would go "who?"

Tenk
06-19-2007, 11:11 AM
^ what the fuck is wrong with that article?

Asians going to college is GOOD.

Being a model minority is good!

I don't understand some of you people...

Do you want to be seen as criminals rather than model minorities like some other races are?

Jesus Christ.

popculturepooka
06-19-2007, 11:28 AM
^ what the fuck is wrong with that article?

Asians going to college is GOOD.

Being a model minority is good!

I don't understand some of you people...

Do you want to be seen as criminals rather than model minorities like some other races are?

Jesus Christ.

Are you serious?
Going to college IS GOOD.

What is NOT GOOD is being a "model minority" because it's not in the best interests of Asians. You either live up to that MYTH or you ARE NOT ASIAN. Don't even get me started on how it was created to wedge a further division between Asians and other non-whites.

So...those are you only two choices? Be looked at as a criminal or as a model minority. You are right, Asians (if they had a choice, which they don't) would most likely want to be looked as a model minority. It's a step up from being looked at as a criminal.

But why can't Asians just be looked at as human beings? Asians don't want to be "seen" as anything except themselves.

You have a brain, use it. It's called critical thinking.

AngryABCGirl
06-19-2007, 11:29 AM
^ what the fuck is wrong with that article?

Asians going to college is GOOD.

Being a model minority is good!

I don't understand some of you people...

Do you want to be seen as criminals rather than model minorities like some other races are?

Jesus Christ.

Or we can be seen as real people and not just a blanket of stereotypes. Plus the model minority image hurts Asians who otherwise don't fall into the blanket in not being supported, helped, or even ostracized.

LOL and it's a joke. Except for the falling range of the 2nd and 3rd generation that's real and there's a lot of academia done on downward assimilation.

As corny as this sounds, I want me and my people to be seen as individuals. I don't care to look good to whitey. It's sad so many Asian people are obbessed with looking good as a group for real instead of focusing on self-improvement for themselves.

SunWuKong
06-19-2007, 11:56 AM
^ what the fuck is wrong with that article?

Asians going to college is GOOD.

Being a model minority is good!

I don't understand some of you people...

Do you want to be seen as criminals rather than model minorities like some other races are?

Jesus Christ.

hell no! i failed out of college just so i can show white people what a screw up an Asian guy can be! now i'm even unemployed. i'm doing so much good for the Asian American community. people should thank me for being such a failure.

also, i get all my news from The Onion, which makes me all the more cooler.

mr. x
06-19-2007, 12:45 PM
^---Never ever trust someone who takes The Onion seriously