Golden Monkey
06-14-2007, 01:15 AM
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/printthread.php?t=71326&pp=40
"Asians are generally smaller, less muscular, and have shorter limbs than most other races, so they're at a pretty big disadvantage when it comes to boxing to begin with. Plus there are hardly any asians in this country any way, so it's not like they have that big of a talent pool to draw from."
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"Asians are generally smaller than whites or us-blacks, yes - but they are not natually smaller than for instance Mexicans. I have been to both China and Maxico and I would say the smallest average height of the two is in Mexico.
And Maxicans still have a lot of good fighters - so the size thing doesn't seem to explain all.
Personally, I think it is a mental thing. US-Asians usually never get to develop a "tough guy"-persona. They are not seen as tough and they have few "tough" role models to look up to (not that I saying that is a good role model). That ius because they are around people that are bigger and badder than themselves.
However, an Asian growing up in Asia can develop a self-image of a bad guy just as much as anyone else can. Since the competition is similar the baddest ..is bad.
And with that self-confidence they can actually do well when they meet others.
The same is currently happening in Heavyweight. White americans are generally pussies, so white US-hws have a hard time building up the tough-guy persona since they even themselves see blacks as badder.
White europeans see themselves as the baddest and come from tough backgrounds and that is why they are mopping the floor with the other HWs at the moment. White US HWs are mentally broken by the blacks and the blacks just believe they are bad, but in reality they are not living in environments as bad as a Kiev thug these days and therefore they are not pushed enough to really be competitive.
All mental."
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"Asians are a naturally smaller people than other ethnicities, and they tend to value education over athletics. Boxing is probaly not something Asian Parents push on their sons. That said, there have been good Asian fighters, but they are always int he smaller weight classes.
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"This is true. I'm Asian American and absolutely love boxing, watch every fight and train 3x a week. But the parents of Asian Americans are obsessed with their kids studying hard and getting good but regular jobs, so their work hard from nothing to push their kids in that direction, not so much athletics since that is very risky. Why not use our brains instead and make money that way. This is slowly changing with second and third generation Asian Americans allowing their kids more freedom and less overall family guilt so they can pursue what they really want. It will still be a long time I think before we see an AA boxer because boxing is usually participated by people that are poor and hungry which can make you a more effective fighter. Most AA here are from working-middle class families so unless theres a MAB-type guy I doubt we'll see one soon. Do I wish to see an AA championship level boxer one day? I could really care less as I enjoy watching Floyd, Cotto and whoever else has tremedous skill.
As for Asians in Asia, boxing isnt at all popular in China. MMA is popular in Japan of course and obviously Muay Thai in Thailand which both have similar aspects to boxing. But there are also great Asian boxers, Pac, Injin Chi, Chris John at the lower weights. I do think genetically and also from the diet they have, that they have slimmer frames (not shorter, trust me on this plenty of tall guys in Asia theyd just prefer to stay there). This might be an advantage when training to make weight I think. Limb length and reach also cannot be generalized based on ethnicity."
"Asians are generally smaller, less muscular, and have shorter limbs than most other races, so they're at a pretty big disadvantage when it comes to boxing to begin with. Plus there are hardly any asians in this country any way, so it's not like they have that big of a talent pool to draw from."
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"Asians are generally smaller than whites or us-blacks, yes - but they are not natually smaller than for instance Mexicans. I have been to both China and Maxico and I would say the smallest average height of the two is in Mexico.
And Maxicans still have a lot of good fighters - so the size thing doesn't seem to explain all.
Personally, I think it is a mental thing. US-Asians usually never get to develop a "tough guy"-persona. They are not seen as tough and they have few "tough" role models to look up to (not that I saying that is a good role model). That ius because they are around people that are bigger and badder than themselves.
However, an Asian growing up in Asia can develop a self-image of a bad guy just as much as anyone else can. Since the competition is similar the baddest ..is bad.
And with that self-confidence they can actually do well when they meet others.
The same is currently happening in Heavyweight. White americans are generally pussies, so white US-hws have a hard time building up the tough-guy persona since they even themselves see blacks as badder.
White europeans see themselves as the baddest and come from tough backgrounds and that is why they are mopping the floor with the other HWs at the moment. White US HWs are mentally broken by the blacks and the blacks just believe they are bad, but in reality they are not living in environments as bad as a Kiev thug these days and therefore they are not pushed enough to really be competitive.
All mental."
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"Asians are a naturally smaller people than other ethnicities, and they tend to value education over athletics. Boxing is probaly not something Asian Parents push on their sons. That said, there have been good Asian fighters, but they are always int he smaller weight classes.
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"This is true. I'm Asian American and absolutely love boxing, watch every fight and train 3x a week. But the parents of Asian Americans are obsessed with their kids studying hard and getting good but regular jobs, so their work hard from nothing to push their kids in that direction, not so much athletics since that is very risky. Why not use our brains instead and make money that way. This is slowly changing with second and third generation Asian Americans allowing their kids more freedom and less overall family guilt so they can pursue what they really want. It will still be a long time I think before we see an AA boxer because boxing is usually participated by people that are poor and hungry which can make you a more effective fighter. Most AA here are from working-middle class families so unless theres a MAB-type guy I doubt we'll see one soon. Do I wish to see an AA championship level boxer one day? I could really care less as I enjoy watching Floyd, Cotto and whoever else has tremedous skill.
As for Asians in Asia, boxing isnt at all popular in China. MMA is popular in Japan of course and obviously Muay Thai in Thailand which both have similar aspects to boxing. But there are also great Asian boxers, Pac, Injin Chi, Chris John at the lower weights. I do think genetically and also from the diet they have, that they have slimmer frames (not shorter, trust me on this plenty of tall guys in Asia theyd just prefer to stay there). This might be an advantage when training to make weight I think. Limb length and reach also cannot be generalized based on ethnicity."