Tia Carrere in Playboy! [Archive]

ChinaLama

12-02-2002, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by Shuriken@Dec 2 2002, 06:06 PM
I haven't seen the issue yet, but I'd be very surprised if she posed for a Playboy pictorial. In earlier interviews, she's always said that she has a non-nudity clause in her contracts. Her nude scenes in Showdown in Little Tokyo and My Teacher's Wife (the latter a very well-done film, by the way) were done by body doubles. So, if she's now doing nudity, it must mark a downturn in her career. (It's all the same to me — I'm still mad at her for Rising Sun.)
wasn't she nude in some outer limits (90s version) with Alyssa Milano?

Whoa...Alyssa Milano...there's one of those "innocent little girls grown up corrupt." Now if only the Olsen Twins will follow her path. :D

achtungbaby

12-02-2002, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by Shuriken@Dec 2 2002, 10:06 AM
So, if she's now doing nudity, it must mark a downturn in her career.
That was the first thing I thought when I saw her on the cover. If she was gonna go buck-nekkid, it should've been 10 years ago.

Hanuman

12-02-2002, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by ChinaLama@Dec 2 2002, 02:47 PM
Now if only the Olsen Twins will follow her path. :D
I'm so with you on that one!

lethal

12-02-2002, 05:26 PM

From the website (NUDITY WARNING) (http://playboy.com/magazine/current/tia.html). (Hey, I had to do the research!)

"For the longest time, I shied away from nudity. I felt self-conscious about my body. But since the end of my marriage, I'm more comfortable in my own skin. It's an expression of freedom. I look good, I feel good - and I'm celebrating that." - Tia Carrere

ChairmanMah

12-02-2002, 05:30 PM

is she asian?

karizma

12-02-2002, 05:31 PM

her boobies are starting to sag ^_^ but i still think she's hot...she's on some tv show called relic hunter...its lame but ill watch it for her :D

Craig

12-02-2002, 05:32 PM

How come all these actresses (US and otherwise) who shun nudity suddenly embrace it when they're in their 30s and their careers are in jeopardy ? Rhetorical question, answer not needed, but comments certainly welcome.

BeTheReds

12-02-2002, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Dec 3 2002, 12:30 AM
is she asian?
Watch Waynes World and make your own decision.

DaBestSpooner

12-02-2002, 06:29 PM

can't wait till tamalyn tomita poses nude

deez nuts

12-02-2002, 06:32 PM

Originally posted by lethalweapon@Dec 2 2002, 07:26 PM
From the website (NUDITY WARNING) (http://playboy.com/magazine/current/tia.html). (Hey, I had to do the research!)

"For the longest time, I shied away from nudity. I felt self-conscious about my body. But since the end of my marriage, I'm more comfortable in my own skin. It's an expression of freedom. I look good, I feel good - and I'm celebrating that." - Tia Carrere
Good job lethal with the research :D

"For the longest time, I shied away from nudity.  I felt self-conscious about my body.  But since the end of my marriage, I'm more comfortable in my own skin.  It's an expression of freedom.  I look good, I feel good - and I'm celebrating that."  - Tia Carrere

Ok...I was thinking more along the lines of:

"Help my career is in the shitter. I hope by showing my ta's-ta's and coochie it'll give it a much needed CPR to revive it."

Arex

12-02-2002, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by DaBestSpooner@Dec 2 2002, 05:29 PM
can't wait till tamalyn tomita poses nude
For some reason, I don't see that happening...=P I saw her in person two or three years ago. She's much less cute than in the movies.=(

Alex

Shuriken

12-02-2002, 07:00 PM

Well, I was able to check out the issue and Tia Carrere's nude pictorial. I think it looks nice. I'm glad they made the decision to shoot her completely nude, rather than in various states of undress (lingerie, etc.). I think that full nudity looks classier and is more sensual than being half-dressed.

However, some of the pictures are so airbrushed that they look like full-fledged illustrations, not photographs. And notice that we don't get any clear view of her breasts where they're hanging freely, not being supported — she's obviously fighting gravity (she'll turn 37 on January 2).

But be that as it may, she's still one beautiful woman, and I'm glad she gave the rest of us the opportunity to see her in her full glory. :)

Shuriken

12-02-2002, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Dec 3 2002, 12:30 AM
is she asian?
Yes, she's Filipino American. She was born Althea Janairo in Honolulu on January 2, 1966. "Tia" was her childhood nickname, and she adopted the stage name "Carrere" (the last "e" is silent) from Latina actress Barbara Carrera. Ironically, adult-video star Asia Carrera adopted her stage name from Tia Carrere, not knowing that the actress had taken the name from someone already named "Carrera."

Shuriken

12-02-2002, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by lethalweapon@Dec 3 2002, 12:26 AM
"For the longest time, I shied away from nudity. I felt self-conscious about my body. But since the end of my marriage, I'm more comfortable in my own skin. It's an expression of freedom. I look good, I feel good - and I'm celebrating that." - Tia Carrere
Translation: I need the money!

igcognito

12-02-2002, 07:21 PM

she is hot? Am I missing something here. She is so SKINNY. ><. Yuckies.

igcognito

12-02-2002, 07:42 PM

^--The Maxim cover that is. Well her face is what I am commenting on.

ChairmanMah

12-02-2002, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by igcognito@Dec 3 2002, 02:21 AM
she is hot? Am I missing something here. She is so SKINNY. ><. Yuckies.
she doesn't look THAT skinny.

if you think tia carrera is yucky, there's something wrong w/ you.

Has anyone seen that edie murphy flic, I SPY. I was surprised to see a girl i knew in it.

Her name is Crystal. Her last name's Wong i think.

She was miss indy vancouver and i used to talk to her at a local club called On
The Roxx where she worked as a bartender. She worked at Mantique too. Too bad she had a boyfriend. Shieett!!!!!!!!!!

she looks kinda like Tia Carrera but ten times younger and finer.

Check her out on the movie I SPY, She plays one of the three hoochie chicks you can't miss. She doesn't say much though. She's the half chinese one. There's three, a black one, an asian one and her.

ren28

12-02-2002, 10:26 PM

Tia looks pretty nice but there are many better looking women than her, IMO. Looks are subjective though.

artsfartsyjanet

12-02-2002, 10:47 PM

;) moving on to next topic.

applehead

12-03-2002, 01:31 AM

how degrading.

igcognito

12-03-2002, 05:13 AM

I don't know, about her. But wouldn't you guys find this degrading coming from the same people. Who have the "exotic" women. Her playboy picture is nice. She looks hideous in Maxim.

Arex

12-03-2002, 05:37 AM

Originally posted by applehead@Dec 3 2002, 12:31 AM
how degrading.
It doesn't have to be. It depends on how you view things. There are many different dimensions to a person: e.g., personality, intelligence, sense of humor, and, of course, physical appearance. Why should it ever necessarily be degrading if one chooses themself to exploit, and be appreciated for one dimension that person may possess? A stand up comedian goes to comedy clubs to impress people with his or her wit and humor. Why should it be seen as degrading if someone poses nude so that person can be appreciated for their physical beauty? For that matter, how is being a nude model necessarily any different than being any other kind of model, used only for what they look like? I understand the whole concept of objectification and sexualization, but if the person chooses to be the object of someone's lust by posing nude, free of coercion and by their own free will, then why should that be seen as "degrading?"

Alex

deez nuts

12-03-2002, 05:58 AM

Why is it degrading when it was her own choice to strip down for the world to see. Hey women comment about another women's body a whole lot more brutal than what a man does from my experience. Heck guys are just happy and grateful to see a nekkid woman's body to even be critical of it.

Since when was the female form a bad thing? Discuss away, fellas.

ellsworth81

12-03-2002, 06:03 AM

Originally posted by karizma@Dec 2 2002, 04:31 PM
her boobies are starting to sag ^_^ but i still think she's hot...she's on some tv show called relic hunter...its lame but ill watch it for her :D
word, gravity strikes again. but at this point in my career, i'd still take her :lol:

YuheiCarreau

12-03-2002, 08:43 AM

Originally posted by Arex@Dec 3 2002, 06:37 AM
It doesn't have to be. It depends on how you view things. There are many different dimensions to a person: e.g., personality, intelligence, sense of humor, and, of course, physical appearance. Why should it ever necessarily be degrading if one chooses themself to exploit, and be appreciated for one dimension that person may possess? A stand up comedian goes to comedy clubs to impress people with his or her wit and humor. Why should it be seen as degrading if someone poses nude so that person can be appreciated for their physical beauty? For that matter, how is being a nude model necessarily any different than being any other kind of model, used only for what they look like? I understand the whole concept of objectification and sexualization, but if the person chooses to be the object of someone's lust by posing nude, free of coercion and by their own free will, then why should that be seen as "degrading?"

Alex
Or, y'know, maybe it's degrading because of comments like "She's obviously fighting gravity"... I like looking at naked woman as much as the next guy, but I can't stand it when people start overanalyzing the woman's body or making a 'wish list' of improvements (ever see the "I wanna be in Playboy" thing that Howard Stern does?). IMO if you don't find the woman to be a perfect 10 (and if that's all you'll accept), just ignore her; don't make comments about her sagging breasts. After all, how good will YOU look at age 37?

deez nuts

12-03-2002, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by YuheiCarreau@Dec 3 2002, 10:43 AM

Or, y'know, maybe it's degrading because of comments like "She's obviously fighting gravity"... I like looking at naked woman as much as the next guy, but I can't stand it when people start overanalyzing the woman's body or making a 'wish list' of improvements (ever see the "I wanna be in Playboy" thing that Howard Stern does?). IMO if you don't find the woman to be a perfect 10 (and if that's all you'll accept), just ignore her; don't make comments about her sagging breasts. After all, how good will YOU look at age 37?
If you put yourself out there you're gonna get criticism, good or bad, especially when you're buck nekkid for the world to see.

Shuriken

12-03-2002, 10:55 AM

As long as we're on the subject of Playboy, I'd just like to say that their regard for Asian beauty — or the lack thereof — has irritated me a little. The magazine clearly has a pro-blonde bias: just notice how many of their Playmates of the Year are fair-haired. This might not be a big deal to some (it probably wouldn't even be a big deal to me if I were married), but a lot of women out there still look to Playboy as some kind of taste-maker and social arbiter regarding what is or is not attractive in women. I myself have been a little surprised to see just how many women are walking around these days wearing Playboy T-shirts. And is Playboy's privileging of blondes in any way related to the vast number of Asian American women who dye their hair?

It seems to me that Playboy can only appreciate Asian beauty if it's segregated from white beauty. In 1999, the magazine published an overview of who they thought were the 100 sexiest female celebrities of the 20th century, a survey that stretched all the way back to Evelyn Nesbitt in the early 1900s. The list included such respectable names as Rita Hayworth, Eva Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, and Halle Berry. But out of all those names — white, black, Latina — not one Asian woman was included in the list. 100 years, 100 women, zero Asians. In Playboy's view, Asian women just don't make the cut. It seems that Playboy can only appreciate the Asian appearance if it's roped off into separate arenas like Playboy's Asian Beauties, Exotic Beauties, or the video — and I hate this title — Asian Exotica.

My favorite Playmate is Diana Lee (warning: nudity) (http://www.playboy.com/arts-entertainment/features/007/pictorial/15.html), Playboy's Miss May 1988, a dancer and the wife of photographer Stephen Wayda. She went on to do some acting under the name Diana Lee-Hsu, appearing in the James Bond movie Licence to Kill as both a supporting player and a dancer in the title sequence. Not only did she have killer looks and a knockout figure, but she came across as much more intelligent and sophisticated than the typical beach bunny who poses for the magazine. Playboy hardly ever has Asian Playmates, but 1988 was the only year that the magazine had two: Diana Lee and Pia Reyes (who would also go on to do some acting).

I thought that it would be great if Diana Lee became Playboy's first Asian Playmate of the Year. But that didn't happen. Do you know who she lost to? Kimberly Conrad — a.k.a. Mrs. Hugh Hefner! As if anyone else had a fair shot at the title! Would Hef ever pick someone besides his own spouse? Would any of his underlings pick someone besides their boss's wife? If Diana Lee had won Playmate of the Year, there would have probably been some kvetching and moaning in some quarters that she won "because of her race." But one heard very little complaining about the magazine's obvious nepotism. Playboy would not pick an Asian Playmate of the Year until it bestowed the title to hapa Jodi Ann Patterson in 2000. But would anyone have known that she's Asian if the magazine hadn't said so?

Oh, well, there are more important things to worry about. Instead of being concerned over the first Asian female Playmate of the Year, we should be more concerned about the first Asian female President of the United States and so on. I realize that. But the marginalization of Asian beauty by such an influential publication and media empire speaks volumes about the marginalization of Asians in American society as a whole.

ism

12-03-2002, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by Shuriken@Dec 3 2002, 12:55 PM
As long as we're on the subject of Playboy, I'd just like to say that their regard for Asian beauty — or the lack thereof — has irritated me a little.  The magazine clearly has a pro-blonde bias: just notice how many of their Playmates of the Year are fair-haired.
Okay, generally agree with most of the facts, but isn't the Playmate of the Year selected based on the number of letters and phone calls and (I guess the Internet now? Sorry, I'm not keeping up with this) they get from readers? Honestly, even if I was white the selection of PMoY dismays me. The hair, race, whatever other factor, doesn't matter as much as the rack.

Okay I gotta prove this point. Looking up PMoY on playboy.com...

1985: Karen Velez, Hispanic, Brunette, 37-23--35
1986: Kathy Shower, White, Blonde, 35-24-35
1987: Donna Edmondson, White, Brunette, 36-23-35
1988: India Allen, White, Brunette, 35-24-34
1989: Kimberly Conrad (Hefner), White, Blonde, 36-24-36
1990: Renee Tenison, Black, Black, 36-23-32
1991: Lisa Matthews, White, Blonde, 37-24-36

For PMoY, if there is any anti-Asian sentiment, place the blame on the voting public.

As for the portrayal of minorities in Playboy, yes, it's pure objectification, but then again, we're talking about a magazine that has pictures of naked women in it. Are we honestly supposed to let one type of objectification go while criticizing another? I mean, it's not like Asian Playmates' data sheets are stereotypical, nor have the photo shoots been playing on any stereotypical Asian themes (okay, there may have been a Playmate in the mid-to-late 60's that is holding a Oriental fan, but my memory is fuzzy). I think Playboy should be the last place we should be looking at for the marginalization of minorities. If anything, it's one of the most forward-thinking and liberal ones. It broke racial barriers and said "It's okay to desire these women the same way you desire what you are accustomed to. These women are conventionally beautiful." What if there were only white women in Playboy? That would be marginalization of minorities.

Shuriken

12-03-2002, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by Shuriken@Dec 3 2002, 05:55 PM
It seems to me that Playboy can only appreciate Asian beauty if it's segregated from white beauty. In 1999, the magazine published an overview of who they thought were the 100 sexiest female celebrities of the 20th century, a survey that stretched all the way back to Evelyn Nesbitt in the early 1900s. The list included such respectable names as Rita Hayworth, Eva Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, and Halle Berry. But out of all those names — white, black, Latina — not one Asian woman was included in the list. 100 years, 100 women, zero Asians. In Playboy's view, Asian women just don't make the cut. It seems that Playboy can only appreciate the Asian appearance if it's roped off into separate arenas like Playboy's Asian Beauties, Exotic Beauties, or the video — and I hate this title — Asian Exotica.

One other thing about this survey: What made it especially infuriating (to me, anyway) was that among the various high-profile celebrities, Playboy also included a few blonde women (presumably one-time Playmates) I never heard of before. Why such obscure names would be mentioned by the survey while the likes of Anna May Wong, Joan Chen, Gong Li, or Tia Carrere were not strikes me as a blatant bias: An unknown blonde is a "greater" beauty than a poised and accomplished Asian celebrity.

Shuriken

12-03-2002, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by ism@Dec 3 2002, 08:20 PM
Okay, generally agree with most of the facts, but isn't the Playmate of the Year selected based on the number of letters and phone calls and (I guess the Internet now? Sorry, I'm not keeping up with this) they get from readers?
They say that, and I'm sure they take reader input into account, but it really comes down to the whims of Hugh Hefner and his editorial staff.

Anyway, I'm not here to trash Playboy or Hefner. The magazine's marginalization of Asians is, I think, largely a reflection of the marginalization of Asians in America in general, and not necessarily any more egregious. Playboy does what it does, and for the most part, I think it's relatively innocuous when compared to most other media offerings. I think it's a tasteful, high-quality magazine. And I give it high marks for not being fashionably sophomoric (unlike Maxim or Hustler) and for respecting the reader's intelligence. The primary reason why I single it out for scrutiny is because it's so high-profile and so influential. If comparably influential magazines like Vogue or People had put out a similarly Asian-exclusionary overview, I'd be just as angry at them.

Besides, the only reason I'm discussing this is because the subject of Playboy came up on this forum. If it hadn't, I probably wouldn't have mentioned it.

LT25

12-03-2002, 02:49 PM

I concur with what you're saying Shurken. And not to defend playboy or anything, the PMOY of 1999 was HAPA. Indonesian and white somthing. Shamefully enough I forget her name, but I have the issues of her as a Playmate and as the PMOY back in my room :blush: I'll look for it and post the name later.

Found it in an online search. "Jodi Ann Patterson" was named the PMOY the same year and Asian American was named Miss California and Miss USA as I recall. maybe you should start another thread about this Shurken?

Oh, 2000 PMOY, not 1999.

Also, I think I read they Hef makes the final decision about who the PMOY is regardless if the voyes each one gets.

applehead

12-03-2002, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by Arex@Dec 3 2002, 04:37 AM
It doesn't have to be.  It depends on how you view things.  There are many different dimensions to a person: e.g., personality, intelligence, sense of humor, and, of course, physical appearance.  Why should it ever necessarily be degrading if one chooses themself to exploit, and be appreciated for one dimension that person may possess?  A stand up comedian goes to comedy clubs to impress people with his or her wit and humor.  Why should it be seen as degrading if someone poses nude so that person can be appreciated for their physical beauty?  For that matter, how is being a nude model necessarily any different than being any other kind of model, used only for what they look like?  I understand the whole concept of objectification and sexualization, but if the person chooses to be the object of someone's lust by posing nude, free of coercion and by their own free will, then why should that be seen as "degrading?"

Alex
posing nude. not degrading. one day i'd like to have professional nude photos of myself hanging in MY apartment. i find the female body nearly perfect. i'd rather see a naked woman than a naked man.

they way you guys talk.. it MAKES it degrading.

YuheiCarreau

12-03-2002, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by ism@Dec 3 2002, 02:20 PM
As for the portrayal of minorities in Playboy, yes, it's pure objectification, but then again, we're talking about a magazine that has pictures of naked women in it. Are we honestly supposed to let one type of objectification go while criticizing another? I mean, it's not like Asian Playmates' data sheets are stereotypical, nor have the photo shoots been playing on any stereotypical Asian themes (okay, there may have been a Playmate in the mid-to-late 60's that is holding a Oriental fan, but my memory is fuzzy). I think Playboy should be the last place we should be looking at for the marginalization of minorities. If anything, it's one of the most forward-thinking and liberal ones. It broke racial barriers and said "It's okay to desire these women the same way you desire what you are accustomed to. These women are conventionally beautiful." What if there were only white women in Playboy? That would be marginalization of minorities.
I hear what you're saying, but that's not what's going on. Words like "exotic" or splashing ASIAN across the cover don't convey the message "desire these women the way you desire a woman of your own race", they say "Look! Asian woman! She'll give you a backrub with her feet!"

PS - funny how this discussion got serious all of a sudden :P

BeTheReds

12-04-2002, 12:11 AM

Okay, I can't see the logic here.

At one point, lots of people on the site is complaining that the media over sexualizes Asian women and makes everyone lust after Asian women, but now lots of people, some of them the same people who pointed the finger at the evil media are complaining that the evil media does not recognise asian women as beautiful or sexy.

YEA, another contradiction that leads me to the conclusion that people are just gonna bitch and complain no matter what the situation is, thus it drives me away from Asian activism.

Shuriken

12-04-2002, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by LT25@Dec 3 2002, 09:49 PM
I concur with what you're saying Shurken. And not to defend playboy or anything, the PMOY of 1999 was HAPA. Indonesian and white somthing. Shamefully enough I forget her name, but I have the issues of her as a Playmate and as the PMOY back in my room :blush: I'll look for it and post the name later.

Found it in an online search. "Jodi Ann Patterson" was named the PMOY the same year and Asian American was named Miss California and Miss USA as I recall. maybe you should start another thread about this Shurken?

Oh, 2000 PMOY, not 1999.

Also, I think I read they Hef makes the final decision about who the PMOY is regardless if the voyes each one gets.
I laready mentioned Jodi Ann Patterson in an earlier post!

Doesn't anyone read what i write???

No? *sigh*

mrazntre

12-04-2002, 12:23 AM

Originally posted by lethalweapon@Dec 3 2002, 12:26 AM
From the website (NUDITY WARNING) (http://playboy.com/magazine/current/tia.html). (Hey, I had to do the research!)

"For the longest time, I shied away from nudity. I felt self-conscious about my body. But since the end of my marriage, I'm more comfortable in my own skin. It's an expression of freedom. I look good, I feel good - and I'm celebrating that." - Tia Carrere
lethal: you are a DAMN good man.

btw.. Kianna Tom is fuxxin HOT!

mrazntre

12-04-2002, 12:25 AM

Originally posted by applehead@Dec 3 2002, 11:09 PM

they way you guys talk.. it MAKES it degrading.
i agree...

you guys are a bunch of DIRTY NO GOOD PIGS.

btw:

can i have a copy of that nude pic of you so i can hang it up on my wall too?

Adaon

12-04-2002, 04:04 AM

Originally posted by applehead@Dec 3 2002, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by Arex@Dec 3 2002, 04:37 AM
It doesn't have to be. It depends on how you view things. There are many different dimensions to a person: e.g., personality, intelligence, sense of humor, and, of course, physical appearance. Why should it ever necessarily be degrading if one chooses themself to exploit, and be appreciated for one dimension that person may possess? A stand up comedian goes to comedy clubs to impress people with his or her wit and humor. Why should it be seen as degrading if someone poses nude so that person can be appreciated for their physical beauty? For that matter, how is being a nude model necessarily any different than being any other kind of model, used only for what they look like? I understand the whole concept of objectification and sexualization, but if the person chooses to be the object of someone's lust by posing nude, free of coercion and by their own free will, then why should that be seen as "degrading?"

Alex
posing nude. not degrading. one day i'd like to have professional nude photos of myself hanging in MY apartment. i find the female body nearly perfect. i'd rather see a naked woman than a naked man.

they way you guys talk.. it MAKES it degrading.
Not that I condone what some of the guys have said thus far in this thread, but I think that you shouldn't be condemning what the guys have said.

You might not agree with what they have to say, but there is a reason why it is posted in the Men section.
Not to say it is exclusively a topic for the male percentage to discuss only on YW, but it would more LIKELY appeal and get a larger response that the creator of this thread *LT25 I believe* was expecting.

You can not NOT expect "guy" talk in this section of YW. Guy talk, in this instance, being the discussion of the body of a female celebrity. I am by NO MEAN saying that this section is guys only. Only that it is kind of pointless not to expect this sort of thing. It happens.

It's pretty silly to dismiss the "girl" talk that surround the male celebrities of Hollywood by the female populace of the world. It'd be pretty silly to "frown" upon something as commentary about a publication of female bodies for men.

Honestly I kind of want to turn the question around. As a guy, I get uncomfortable with pictures of half nude guys on billboards and crap mainly because I don't want to study the nipplization on some guy who's advertising jeans but the ad is mostly his face and down to his waist at max. I find that degrading. So? It happens.

How can a man show himself partially nude/*fully nude if you're into that sort of thing* and not catch flak for it while partially nude/nude women get commented on and yet do not get condemn, but rather the men commenting gets condemned. That makes absolutely no sense to me......

Hanuman

12-04-2002, 05:18 AM

Originally posted by applehead@Dec 3 2002, 06:09 PM
posing nude. not degrading. one day i'd like to have professional nude photos of myself hanging in MY apartment. i find the female body nearly perfect. i'd rather see a naked woman than a naked man.

Have camera, will shoot. :D

applehead

12-04-2002, 06:25 AM

i totally understand.. it's the men's section..
you guys can talk about it all you want.
i honestly don't want to turn all .. betty friedan here.

but
i don't think it's silly to frown upon commentary on what you deem as just a publication of female bodies for men.

Mr T

12-04-2002, 08:01 AM

What's up with this fascination with blondes anyway? I never read playboy nor do I intend to; it's just not my thing. I did see Hugh Hefner and his playmates just a while ago and the women around him were'nt that good to look at in my personal opinion. They were the typical blonde bimbo types...

Give me a meditarranean latin lover anyday :P

VV o n g B a

12-04-2002, 02:51 PM

on that note, i remember hearing latinos complaining about some of the same things that asian americans do: oversexualization of their women into degrading stereotypes.

what do u guys think? legit complaint?

Adaon

12-04-2002, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by applehead@Dec 4 2002, 05:25 AM
i totally understand.. it's the men's section..
you guys can talk about it all you want.
i honestly don't want to turn all .. betty friedan here.

but
i don't think it's silly to frown upon commentary on what you deem as just a publication of female bodies for men.
:unsure: Ummm, i clearly refrained from making any commentary. What's this YOU stuff. I made no comment. I neither think she's neither attractive nor unattractive, she's just another woman who posed nude in a male publication of her own free will. That in itself would attract attention, threfore a lot of free flowing comments from the peanut gallery. I STILL don't think you should be rebuking these guys for putting their thoughts out and making it known. It's not right.

And it is just a publication. A periodical that circulates every month with a different naked woman in it. It's like every other part of the media out there, made to catch attention of the consumer and suck up cash.

Look, if you want to change the way of the masses, you don't jump in front of the herd. You take a select few and quite possibly the rest of the herd might follow. If you don't like the commentary, try to sway some of the guys to think otherwise. If not, you'll prolly get ignored, like you weren't even there.

Sorry, if you take this personally, I'm just playing devil's advocate. Plz dun hate me :huh:

applehead

12-04-2002, 08:59 PM

oops. sorry i was just quoting. i guess i took it out of contex.
and.. i don't take it personally, don't worry about it.

and i was hardly trying to change anyone with my "that's just degrading" comment.. that's too much of a big feat for me to even consider.
but i have to disagree.. i feel that if you want to change something.. you have to just dive into it.. takes a lot more courage

mrazntre

12-04-2002, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by VV o n g B a@Dec 4 2002, 09:51 PM
on that note, i remember hearing latinos complaining about some of the same things that asian americans do: oversexualization of their women into degrading stereotypes.

what do u guys think? legit complaint?
i believe it is quite a legitimate claim

there is this notion that latin women, are curvaceous, have dark complexion, big b00bied, all sexy salsa dancers that scream "ay papi" all day, every day.

my quick list of examples that propogate this stereotype

1) j.lo
2) selma hayek
3) shakira (yah yah her hair is blonde)
4) the chick on the mcdonald's commercial
5) just look around.....

they're not quite stereotyped as the sexual nymphs as we Asians are accustomed to, however, the latinas are sexually objectified by mainstream media in the same light as Asian women.

Shuriken

12-05-2002, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Dec 4 2002, 07:11 AM
Okay, I can't see the logic here.

At one point, lots of people on the site is complaining that the media over sexualizes Asian women and makes everyone lust after Asian women, but now lots of people, some of them the same people who pointed the finger at the evil media are complaining that the evil media does not recognise asian women as beautiful or sexy.

YEA, another contradiction that leads me to the conclusion that people are just gonna bitch and complain no matter what the situation is, thus it drives me away from Asian activism.
Not contradiction, B.T.R. — nuance.

But your observation is a good one. This discussion speaks to a larger question: To what extent do we want to see Asian Americans included in the mainstream as it is, and to what extent do we want to see Asian Americans transform the mainstream into something more egalitarian and humanizing?

On the one hand, seeing Asian women included in the pages of such an influential magazine as Playboy says that women don't need to be blonde-haired and blue-eyed in order to be considered sexy and attractive. On the other hand, others might take issue with Playboy's very influence and ideology, and say that they are what need to be subverted, not its pro-blonde bias (which, to be fair, has relaxed in recent years). As far as I can see, both sides are equally valid, and both sides have insights to offer.

It reminds me of another media debate: one side says that they want to see more Asian Americans in the mainstream media, while the other side says that the mainstream media is too trashy and too lowest-common-denominator to be worthy of Asian American participation. It's like the debate between those who championed Margaret Cho's 1994 sitcom All-American Girl for portraying Asian Americans as lead characters who are regular people and those who correctly criticized the show for its bad jokes. To what extent is inclusion in the mainstream media empowering, and to what extent is it co-opting? I think this is a discussion that will be with us all for a long time to come.

himura-dono

12-05-2002, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by Shuriken@Dec 3 2002, 05:55 PM
Playboy would not pick an Asian Playmate of the Year until it bestowed the title to hapa Jodi Ann Patterson in 2000. But would anyone have known that she's Asian if the magazine hadn't said so?

teri harrison is also hapa (japanese and german) and has a good probability of being the next playmate of the year i think. at least from all i hear about her.

she also has very obvious caucasian features and i wouldn't have known she was hapa without reading.

LT25

12-05-2002, 03:08 PM

Teri Harrison... mmmm. Her Asian genes must be very recessive. I didn't know that she's Hapa either. So I bought the issue just to be sure.

LT25

12-05-2002, 03:10 PM

Shurken... you did? I only recall the part about the playmate ho married the photographer and starred in the 007 movie :blush: I'll go back and look :lol:

Okay, found it at the end of the same post. :dance:

Jenny

12-13-2002, 09:48 PM

her boobies are starting to sag  but i still think she's hot...she's on some tv show called relic hunter...its lame but ill watch it for her  

Actually, that isn't sagging... that's how it looks when you're natural. :P

Commando_turned_MD

12-23-2002, 11:21 PM

She's getting too old.... :D
I dont know what people see in her.............shes not that hot....
There's nothing exotic about her...No unique features....

Just a regular chick........Faith Hill is hot.....Tera Patrick is hot.....Jenna Jamieson is Hot.....Tia is just average

my .02

himura-dono

12-24-2002, 01:59 AM

tia carrere is a real woman tho.

edit:

i happened to go back and sift through the spread she was in...i still think ur all just saying that based on her age. there's other girls in the previous issues and there's always a lil tiny sag. it's called gravity. and the way she's sitting, any girl's boob would have that affect. so, to those who swear she's got grandma tits, bleh ;p

you guys obviously haven't seen enough breasts in anything but a supine position.

Shuriken

12-28-2002, 09:06 PM

I like how Tia Carrere has kind of a concave face: her forehead and chin protrude a bit, while her face is a little recessed — except for that cute button nose.

And I've seen her in person — we can forget just how exceptional some celebrities look when they're constantly paired with other exceptional-looking people on TV. When you see them in person, it reminds you just how ordinary the rest of us mere mortals look.

dru

12-29-2002, 01:23 AM

shes aight but i like asia carrera. whooo. more power to you.

Shuriken

12-29-2002, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by Morientes@Dec 29 2002, 10:20 AM
Man, asia carrera and kobe tai hates us Asian men! Screw these ho's; they hate us guys and at the same time they gobble the white mans cock!!
The virtual absence of heterosexual Asian men in U.S. porn is due more to the white men who control the means of production than it is to the choice of the actresses themselves. In her 1995 interview with A. Magazine, Asia Carrera expressed interest and enthusiasm at the idea of working with an Asian man. And on her Web site, she mentions doing a scene with one once (you'll have to check her filmography). Granted, a lot more needs to be done — especially in mainstream entertainment — to duly recognize Asian male heterosexuality. But unless an Asian woman expresses an outright dislike of Asian men, don't blame the actresses...