Asian males stuck in a cycle of self pity.

[Azyniklae]

Hi, being a white male perhaps there is no business for me to say anything about this, but I can't help but notice so many articles of asian guys complaining white guys are taking their women. First of all, why would asian guys write things like this? Asian guys who complain that white guys, hispanic guys, whatever type of guys are stealing their women make their own race look bad. You never see other races complain about how their women are being stolen but other races, at least not as much as asian males. I do see a lot of asian women dating white males, I must admit, but why do asian guys care? When you complain about this online it creates a false perception of asian males that they "suck" with women, or are not as attractive as other guys. I think asian guys look fine, most of them are friendly, smart, and pretty attractive if I do say so myself. I think only a small percentage of asian guys where I live are sexually frusterated or don't have success with women. I think this subject pisses me off personally because all of my friends are asian males and I hate to see people of their own race help create and enhance a stereotype that does nothing other than 1: piss off asian males and 2: convince the asian women that are currently dating white males that they were right. Basically my lengthly, and seemingly pointless comment comes down to 1 question, Do you think Asian women date outside their race far too often? Does it piss you off? What do you think about asian males who complain about this and seem to get so pissed off about this they have multiple ulcers? I am curious as to your thoughts about these types of asian males.

[LaiSteve66]

Wrong forum. Go to Modelminority.com and type what you typed.

[deez nuts]

Do you think Asian women date outside their race far too often?

i don't think asian women date outside their race often enough.

Does it piss you off?

not at all. we need more beautiful and exotic hapa women to be bought into this world from the union of a white male and an asian female. hapa women from the union of asian male and white female just aren't as attractive.

What do you think about asian males who complain about this and seem to get so pissed off about this they have multiple ulcers.

it's just natural selection at work because they are whiney and weak.

[snailpoo]

Wrong forum. Here we just laugh at those guys.

Wrong forum. Go to Modelminority.com and type what you typed.

Azyniklae might try asiafinest as well. :biggrin:

Basically my lengthly, and seemingly pointless comment comes down to 1 question, Do you think Asian women date outside their race far too often? Does it piss you off? What do you think about asian males who complain about this and seem to get so pissed off about this they have multiple ulcers? I am curious as to your thoughts about these types of asian males.

Isn't that three questions?

[USCTrojanzNo1]

Hi, being a white male perhaps there is no business for me to say anything about this, but I can't help but notice so many articles of asian guys complaining white guys are taking their women. First of all, why would asian guys write things like this? Asian guys who complain that white guys, hispanic guys, whatever type of guys are stealing their women make their own race look bad. You never see other races complain about how their women are being stolen but other races, at least not as much as asian males. I do see a lot of asian women dating white males, I must admit, but why do asian guys care? When you complain about this online it creates a false perception of asian males that they "suck" with women, or are not as attractive as other guys. I think asian guys look fine, most of them are friendly, smart, and pretty attractive if I do say so myself. I think only a small percentage of asian guys where I live are sexually frusterated or don't have success with women. I think this subject pisses me off personally because all of my friends are asian males and I hate to see people of their own race help create and enhance a stereotype that does nothing other than 1: piss off asian males and 2: convince the asian women that are currently dating white males that they were right. Basically my lengthly, and seemingly pointless comment comes down to 1 question, Do you think Asian women date outside their race far too often? Does it piss you off? What do you think about asian males who complain about this and seem to get so pissed off about this they have multiple ulcers? I am curious as to your thoughts about these types of asian males.

You're asking more than one question there, bud.

But in response:

1.) Heck no. Asian women need to broaden their horizons and continue to date men of all different colors: white, black, brown, purple, blue, pink, orange, etc.

2.) If Asian women are happy dating those outside their race, then go for it. Don't let societal pressure block your pursuit of happiness.

3.) Asian men have multiple ulcers?

[Adaon]

I love getting on an apple crate and pointing out generalizations.

Not all asian guys whine about asian girls with caucasian guys.

I used to be a whiney asian guy about it. Came to my senses after the met the guy for who he was, and not the race that I thought he represented (all in my head, the guy was pretty good for my female friend).

Some Asian guys seem to think that it's just race that a girl looks at, when the guy, for who he is, matters too. (or so I was told.)

[ru a banana?]

Maybe you didn't read carefully enough through the different forums. Or maybe you get a different perspective than some. From what I've seen, there are some vocal guys who complain, while there are others who state to the effect that they not unlike many other caucasian, and other race men think they are god's gift to women.

Perhaps if you go through again you will be easier able to spot these prevalent but humorous remarks. If you are looking for the neg. you'll I'm sure find it, and the converse is true.

^Try above suggestion, count the times, and then get back to us. K?

[Adaon]

Maybe you didn't read carefully enough through the different forums. Or maybe you get a different perspective than some. From what I've seen, there are some vocal guys who complain, while there are others who state to the effect that they not unlike many other caucasian, and other race men think they are god's gift to women.

Perhaps if you go through again you will be easier able to spot these prevalent but humorous remarks. If you are looking for the neg. you'll I'm sure find it, and the converse is true.

^Try above suggestion, count the times, and then get back to us. K?


Ehh, been there, done that, hated the road, and found my own way.

I can only shake my head at what the ignorance of some can cause.

I'm not going to say the media in all its forms help, but honestly, life is a case by case deal, a tree in contrast to the forest deal. If a guy complains that Asian girls are all getting "taken", it's cuz he has too much time to worry about them getting "taken" and not chasing one for himself.

It's not like they're literally carted off to caves and held captive forever. If the non-Asian guys are really as horrible as they're supposedly made out to be, then hopefully the Asian girl would come to that realization on her own. No use bitching about it, it's her choice, move on with your lives. Craptastic.

[LaiSteve66]

Well looks like I jumped the gun and assumed this was another White guy lecturing us about the IR disparity. I expected this thread to be closed, but after actually reading the post, I'll make a few comments.

Asian men who are pissed off at WM/AF are misfocused. The IR disparity is a merely a manifestation of an attitude towards Asians that is prevalent in our society. This attitude has resulted in Asian men having a harder time dating across racial lines than Asian women. I can go on all day and try to explain this phenomenon, but I can't be arsed to do so.

But to answer your questions:

Do you think Asian women date outside their race far too often?


I think this is the wrong question to be asking. This question displays a fundamental misfocus on the true issue. The real question is why is there a certain attitude towards Asians and what can we do about it?


Does it piss you off?


No. We do not have an IR disparity where I live and have yet to meet a real life "Angry Asian Man" in the flesh.

What do you think about asian males who complain about this and seem to get so pissed off about this they have multiple ulcers? I am curious as to your thoughts about these types of asian males.


They are either misfocused, or they are losers who need a scapegoat for why they can't get laid (or both).

[Dimeron]

Meh, the fact of the matter is, due to variety of reasons, Asian females have an easier time dating outside their race (or getting dates in general) then Asian males, generally speaking of course.

Sure, some of it has to do with outside influences (aka, sellout AA girls and media), a lot of it has to do with the fact the whinny Asian guys just don't spend as much time, money, and energy trying to woo girls. I bet those if those guys go out, buy a good car, work out, put on some muscles, buy some good cloth, be confident, they will get date in no time.

Now granted, assuming all things are equal between a white, black, and Asian dude, chances are, a lot of girls will probably pick the Asian guy last. Hey, life is not fair, like everything else in life for as an Asian in the western world, whether its education or job, you just got work harder for it.

[rice cracker]

Hm, where are the all the angry Asian boys? Suddenly they're mute because another male is calling Asian guys whiny?

[VV o n g B a]

Hm, where are the all the angry Asian boys? Suddenly they're mute because another male is calling Asian guys whiny?fine. i'll bite. i didn't really wanna respond earlier b/c we've been kicking this dead horse for years. but u called me out so here goes.

to azy: if u're too lazy to search thru the innumerable discussions we've had on here to dig out what we think and why, i'm not gonna help. especially cuz u're a non-asian guy interloping on our discussion space. who the fuck are u to be asking these questions like u know anything about us or as if we have any need to explain jackshit to u? buzz off and mind ur own goddamn business.

[nameless]

I can't help but notice so many articles of asian guys complaining white guys are taking their women. First of all, why would asian guys write things like this?

They're just trying to voice their opinions (albeit poorly) in hope of change. Why do you see other minority groups complain about other topics which they have no control over?

You never see other races complain about how their women are being stolen but other races, at least not as much as asian males. I do see a lot of asian women dating white males, I must admit, but why do asian guys care?

I think it's the most noticeable race issue for Asian males and thus the easiest to rant about. It's not like the glass ceiling which only those working in the business world really experience. And it's not like stereotypes which people are willing to acknwledge as ignorant and racist.

The IR variance is part of a bigger issue that few take the time to analyze and coherently explain. It's just easier to point fingers and assume intentions. That and it's tough to sound calm when you aren't getting any.

When you complain about this online it creates a false perception of asian males that they "suck" with women, or are not as attractive as other guys.

Fortunately, I think it only comes out online or in Asian circles. I don't think the sexually frustrated image is as publicly known as, say, 'the black man angry at whitey'. If Asian men are seen as pathetic, it's because of stereotypes placed on them. Aside from Asian females and asiaphiles who come across a blog while looking for porn, I don't think many people know of AM's feelings. I don't really sweat it, since most non-Asians have ignorant views of Asians anyway. And if any girl believes all Asian guys are a certain way, she wasn't very smart to begin with.

I think this subject pisses me off personally because all of my friends are asian males and I hate to see people of their own race help create and enhance a stereotype that does nothing other than 1: piss off asian males and 2: convince the asian women that are currently dating white males that they were right.

LOL That's very empathetic, but we'll worry about our own, and you can worry about yours. If you are always concerned of how other people are poorly representing their own race, then you will never find peace. But if you want, next time you hear a White person say something racist or talk about their Asian fetish without guilt, please feel free to lecture them on how they are portraying their race poorly. I truly would appreciate the effort and you can at yourself on the back.


who the fuck are u to be asking these questions like u know anything about us or as if we have any need to explain jackshit to u? buzz off and mind ur own goddamn business.

Now now be nice. He's just ur typical white person trying to understand why the minorities feel the need to complain. The effort to explain usually goes to waste, but I think of it as good practice. :wink:

[Adaon]

They're just trying to voice their opinions (albeit poorly) in hope of change. Why do you see other minority groups complain about other topics which they have no control over?



I think it's the most noticeable race issue for Asian males and thus the easiest to rant about. It's not like the glass ceiling which only those working in the business world really experience. And it's not like stereotypes which people are willing to acknwledge as ignorant and racist.

The IR variance is part of a bigger issue that view have take the time to analyze and coherently explain. It's just easier to point fingers and second guess. That and it's tough to sound calm when you aren't getting any.



Fortunately, I think it only comes out online or in Asian circles. I don't think the sexually frustrated image is as publicly known as, say, 'the black man angry at whitey'. If Asian men are seen as pathetic, it's because of stereotypes placed on them. Aside from Asian females and asiaphiles who come across a blog while looking for porn, I don't think many people know of AM's feelings.



LOL That's very empathetic, but we'll worry about our own, and you can worry about yours. If you are always concerned of how other people are poorly representing their own race, then you will never find peace. But if you want, next time you hear a White person say something racist or talk about their Asian fetish without guilt, please feel free to lecture them on how they are portraying their race poorly. I truly would appreciate the effort.




Now now be nice. He's just ur typical white person trying to understand why the minorities feel the need to complain. The effort to explain usually goes to waste, but I think of it as good practice. :wink:

Well spoken (erhm, written) down to the last line. LOL

[Space_Cabbage]

The fact of the matter is there are a lot of asian females that shun dating asian guys. A lot of it has to do with them being white washed. Also in the Entertainment business there are no asian males that are made to be sex symbols. So a lot of women dont look at asian males as sex symbols.

[deez nuts]

Hm, where are the all the angry Asian boys? Suddenly they're mute because another male is calling Asian guys whiny?

fear not. i will be the voice of angry whiny asian boys. i'm all about being angry and whiny because i recently found out i am not anna nicole's baby's father.

[DragonKnight]

fear not. i will be the voice of angry whiny asian boys. i'm all about being angry and whiny because i recently found out i am not anna nicole's baby's father.
That sucks bro...here's a fuckin beer. :biggrin:

[yoMAMA]

The fact of the matter is there are a lot of asian females that shun dating asian guys. A lot of it has to do with them being white washed. Also in the Entertainment business there are no asian males that are made to be sex symbols. So a lot of women dont look at asian males as sex symbols.

duh, it's not like there's not many white people in america.

[LaiSteve66]

Looks like this is going to be another one post wonder.

[eos]

DAMN...why y'all keep falling for this shit???

first it's the white dude who wants to be more asian or whatever the fuck it was and now it's this douchebag. y'all keep saying don't feed the troll, blah blah blah...and yet here we are.

again....GREAT job, folks!

[Lt.Foo]

I do not believe it is the case where it is self pity but the whole idea that the Asian women who exclusively date White dudes are those that are as many mention:
1. White washed
2. They think they are dating up
3. or marrying up if they marry white
4. They are better off marrying white
5. etc etc

So it is not a matter if they date white, it's the attitude of the aforementioned that we get pissed off. Like that girl that was on America's Top model who said, I am here to represent, but I don't date Asian guys.

[deez nuts]

a bunch of ya's that are supposedly so fucking sick of this subject. you sure have a lot to say between this thread and the other one started by space cabbage.

[sageb1]

Dude, if you knew my sexual style, i have no complaints about white men dating asian women. bully for them.

I practise NARACHASTRA PRAYOGA alot. :P

And Senzuri!

[deez nuts]

Dude, if you knew my sexual style, i have no complaints about white men dating asian women. bully for them.

I practise NARACHASTRA PRAYOGA alot. :P

And Senzuri!

i practice the stranger.

[ru a banana?]

I'm bored with this topic, lets start a riot or something.

It's not like there aren't a whole shitload of asian guys who like blondies. White blondies to be specific. You don't see us asian women bitching. I um think there is enough to go around?

[buttermilkwise]

is this some kind of cut and run attempt, people have obliged your post where's your reply Azy?

[Napoleon Chynamite]

White troll or not, I think the guy is right even if he was trying to do it just to get some kind of response or attention. The vast majority of people who complain about the IR disparity on the internet come across as pathetic and sorry. There are a few that don't, but it just so happens that the ones that actually are motivated to do anything constructive about it are those that tend to have a much better head on their shoulders and thus don't come across as prickish. We can use this guy's initial post as another reminder and lesson of how not to handle the situation even if trollish intentions were involved.

[kimpossible]

Hi, being a white male perhaps there is no business for me to say anything about this, but I can't help but notice so many articles of asian guys complaining white guys are taking their women. First of all, why would asian guys write things like this? Asian guys who complain that white guys, hispanic guys, whatever type of guys are stealing their women make their own race look bad. You never see other races complain about how their women are being stolen but other races, at least not as much as asian males. I do see a lot of asian women dating white males, I must admit, but why do asian guys care? When you complain about this online it creates a false perception of asian males that they "suck" with women, or are not as attractive as other guys. I think asian guys look fine, most of them are friendly, smart, and pretty attractive if I do say so myself. I think only a small percentage of asian guys where I live are sexually frusterated or don't have success with women. I think this subject pisses me off personally because all of my friends are asian males and I hate to see people of their own race help create and enhance a stereotype that does nothing other than 1: piss off asian males and 2: convince the asian women that are currently dating white males that they were right. Basically my lengthly, and seemingly pointless comment comes down to 1 question, Do you think Asian women date outside their race far too often? Does it piss you off? What do you think about asian males who complain about this and seem to get so pissed off about this they have multiple ulcers? I am curious as to your thoughts about these types of asian males.

My thoughts are they would like to be introduced to any an all hot younger sisters and female cousins you have. Post pics.

[Banana]

Not me, personally.

It's just that I'd rather much see Asian American men with Asian American women more than anything else.

[Banana]

Quick question and I'm not sure where else to put it; I hear from current statistics that there are more Asian women than Asian men in the US but I can't find that information anywhere.

Anyone know where I can get it?

[yoMAMA]

Quick question and I'm not sure where else to put it; I hear from current statistics that there are more Asian women than Asian men in the US but I can't find that information anywhere.

Anyone know where I can get it?

latest u.s census?

[j&j2]

Well, WMs complain about BMs "stealing" WFs (even tho it, statistically, isn't really true) and BMs complain about Hollywood constantly depicting BFs w/ WMs (altho, more often than not, it's the other way around) - i.e. - "Monster's Ball" got a lot of flack, even tho Halle Berry is 1/2 white.

Are there "vocal" AMs who complain about this on the net - sure.

And while I don't particularly care for anyone who constantly harps about their personal situation, esp. if they entirely blame it on their being Asian + male, I understand that they are using the net to vent and release their frustration (tho, it does get annoying if they don't do anything about it - like hit the gym).

As for perpetuating the stereotype - they have much less impact with this regard than does the media (films, tv, music videos, commercials/advertisements, comedy/radio bits, etc.) which does WAY more to perpetuate the stereotype.

Is it really surprising that many of these guys blame their being Asian when that's what the media has repeatedly fed them (and others)?

And the same media influences has also impacted a certain segment of the Asian female pop. - a segment which makes negative, stereotypical generalizations about AMs (there are AMs who do the same about AFs, but they are more rare).

(Btw, why haven't you made a post about AFs who perpetuate the negative stareotypes about AMs on the net?)

If you noticed - AFs, when marrying "out", rarely marry other than WMs - and it is no coincidence that this follows the IR pairing that the media most often portrays.

Quick question and I'm not sure where else to put it; I hear from current statistics that there are more Asian women than Asian men in the US but I can't find that information anywhere.

Anyone know where I can get it?

Overall there is - but NOT among Asians who were born or primarily raised here.

[Paradox]

White troll or not, I think the guy is right even if he was trying to do it just to get some kind of response or attention. The vast majority of people who complain about the IR disparity on the internet come across as pathetic and sorry. There are a few that don't, but it just so happens that the ones that actually are motivated to do anything constructive about it are those that tend to have a much better head on their shoulders and thus don't come across as prickish. We can use this guy's initial post as another reminder and lesson of how not to handle the situation even if trollish intentions were involved.

Yes overall it's pathetic and i've seen various asian-americans air the dirty laundry out all over the internet on various forums completely unrelated to asian issues. Even if it's pathetic there are some real concerns here and demographically it'll be interesting to see how this all pans out in the U.S. in a few more decades. Those interracial couples who are together for fetish/superificial reasons should be leaving behind lots of mixed kids with divorced parents soon. It'll be interesting to see what sort of angst that next generation of hapas will bring to the table.

Anyways, these days whenever I talk with my asian-american friends back home about these issues I always tell them to live abroad for awhile. Living and visiting various asian nations has really REALLY helped me see the world in a different light. In the bigger picture it's fairly trivial. Personally, i've decided that life in America just isn't for me. It's less because of racial reasons but more political than anything. I just don't agree with the typical American viewpoint anymore.

[nfemw]

Meh, the fact of the matter is, due to variety of reasons, Asian females have an easier time dating outside their race (or getting dates in general) then Asian males, generally speaking of course.

In the US only. Nobody cares about Asian women anywhere else.
Arabs don't marry Asian. Mediterraneans don't like Asian women. Eastern Europeans aren't crazy about Asian women. Losers blame asian women or their asian mothers for all their misfortunes.

[yoMAMA]

Winners go home and fuck the WHITE prom queen!

fixed for ya.

;)

[Deadpool]

In the US only. Nobody cares about Asian women anywhere else.
Arabs don't marry Asian. Mediterraneans don't like Asian women. Eastern Europeans aren't crazy about Asian women. Losers blame asian women or their asian mothers for all their misfortunes.

Yea I don't think there much of a problem up here North of the Border either. I think a few Asian Americans are making a mountain out of a mole hill and more and more duders are taking their words as gospel.

[eos]

^yes you are correct. the whiners should move to those countries and start a harem and leave us the fuck alone. how about that?

and how about shutting this thread down since it's actually discrediting the asian guys who AREN'T crybaby whiny sissy boys? i've actually met some, they DO exist.

[deez nuts]

Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen!

[snailpoo]

Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen!

Carla was the prom queen.

[buttermilkwise]

Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen!

Win or lose in the end it's just a game.

[yoMAMA]

I love being an asian male.

wouldn't trade it for the world.

[j&j2]

In the US only. Nobody cares about Asian women anywhere else.
Arabs don't marry Asian. Mediterraneans don't like Asian women. Eastern Europeans aren't crazy about Asian women. Losers blame asian women or their asian mothers for all their misfortunes.

As Americans, why should Asian-Americans care about what happens anywhere else in the world?

And hey, let's have some compassion for fugly, geeky, etc. Asian males - after all, why should they be any worse off than fugly, geeky, etc. white guys?

Btw, it's interesting to note that some Asian-American males (in their travels) think that Europe or Asia is a "gold mine" for play in comparison to the US (of course, this generally only applies to non-fugly, non-geeky AMs).

Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen!

Prom queen is so amateurish - why not a model or at least a Jr. Ms.?

[eos]

^that's the attitude that makes everyone else in the world hate us. are you asking us to perpetuate this? that's GREAT.

also, who says there's not any compassion for the fugly, geeky, etc. asian guys?

[Adaon]

I love being an asian male.

wouldn't trade it for the world.

Word to that, brotha.

[kimpossible]

Prom queen is so amateurish - why not a model or at least a Jr. Ms.?

Because he's got The Mancrush on Connery. And who doesn't?

[buttermilkwise]

I love being an asian male.

wouldn't trade it for the world.

As an ultra-rare asian-american male hero in a video game called Enter the Matrix put it:

Ghost: Nietzsche said it best "One must want nothing to be different-not forward, not backward, not in all eternity. Not only bear what is necessary, but to love it."

Oracle: Armor fati. You're a good man, Ghost. If somehow we do survive, if the path does continue, I hope it is made by others like you.

[Paradox]

I love being an asian male.

wouldn't trade it for the world.
Interestingly enough I had a similar conversation with a friend awhile back. I mentioned that if I could choose my ethnicity and gender knowing what I know now i'd still go with what I was given.

I think it's given me a different and fairly unique perspective on life especially given our situation as Asian-americans. Who knows..if I was born a white or black man in America I could very well be living the mediocre middle class dream of wife, kid and picket fence. No thanks. I think being born as an asian-american male has forced me to look outside the box and become more creative with my life pursuits. Not to mention with the asian world moving back into the limelight it doesn't hurt at all.

[admire]

It's a no-win situation. If you complain, the situation is not going to change and if you don't complain, the situation still isn't going to change. Sad to say, but many of us might die out as lonely bachelors. Those Asian bros. lucky enough to find mates and procreate might produce a new generation of Asian boys who can change the Asian male image for good. We might just have to wait for another generation for things to 'even out' or get 'better.'

Some of us complain because we have a right to. We all know racism and stereotypes have long hindered Asian men's social and love life. Many of us cannot help but sometimes feel that life had cheated us of love simply because we are Asian men.

[cool]

come on! its not racism and stereotypes. its your negative attitudes!

look at the thread title. this is exactly the type of attitude displayed in this thread. you can't fix others, but you can start by fixing yourself.

do that and the girls will come.

[admire]

^If you believe all is fair and square in the dating game, you are either delusional or stay at home all day and night.

It is true that there are white and Hispanic girls willing or currently dating Asian men. But, few people know that some of these Asian bros. had to go through more initial rejections just to get a chance with one of them ladies. I am not afraid to admit I was one of them. Women of all races had not yet warmed up to the idea that Asian male facial features were considered the one they want to lock eyes with or kiss with undying attraction.

Black men only recently became more attractive because of the hip-hop revolution. Back when I was in high school, no gal even thought of going with a black dude to the prom. Nowadays, they get the first offers from girls of all races.

Asian bros. have not had that same kind of social revolution that black men attained yet. That might be changing because I do see some more Asian guys with white girls in public. But, it is still a long road and Asian women had a long head start before us.

Women don't come to us. Make no mistake about that. We have to go up to them and keep selling our image. Someday there will be buyers.

[cool]

I didn't say it's fair, but are you going to cry about it or do something about it?

Yes I'm well aware of the racism/stereotypes that supposedly hold Asian males down. But at the end of the day, you can't change that. You can't wait for a "revolution."

Like I said, you can't fix other people's perceptions of you, you have to do something about it. Self-pity gets you nowhere.

[SunWuKong]

i'm closing this thread. regardless of what "side" of the argument you're on, post your IR rant here:

http://forums.yellowworld.org/showthread.php?t=32686