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LaiSteve66

10-31-2006, 07:04 PM

Teen Arrested for Raping His Mother

Albertville, Ala. -- Police say a Marshall County teen raped his mother to get revenge on his brother.

Police say 19-year-old Gary Helms, Jr., raped his 45-year-old mother this past weekend at Willow Terrace Trailer Park on Doyle Drive in Albertville.

It's a twisted crime that police say Helms admits.

"From what we understand the rape stemmed from an argument between him and his brother. And apparently they were arguing over a girlfriend. And the rape was some sort of retaliation towards his brother," said Sgt. Jamie Smith of the Albertville Police Department.

It was unusual retaliation on an unsuspecting victim.

Authorities say Helms' mother was apparently passed out drunk on the couch when the rape started.

"During the attack she did come to and recognize her attacker. (Reporter: As her son?) As her son," said Smith.

That's when, according to the police report, the mother "tried to get away, but he held her down until he was finished."

"It's totally sick is what it is," said Smith.

Helms was arrested and charged with the 1st degree rape of his own mother.

Smith says it's hard to wrap your mind around.

"Shocked, shocked would be more a better way to describe it. That somebody would dip to the lows to do something of this nature. It's just pretty much a shock to the conscience of the general public," said Smith.

Helms is being held in the Marshall County Jail on $100,000 bond.

http://www.wsfa.com/Global/story.asp?S=5598920&nav=menu33_3_6

eos

10-31-2006, 07:15 PM

W.T.F.

unless the mom favored the other son more, or was said son's gf (*shivers*), then i really don't see how that's revenge on anything. man...that just....man.

Golden Monkey

10-31-2006, 08:27 PM

http://ekstrabladet.dk/archive/00220/helms_220021d.jpg

Gary Helms, Jr

returntosender

10-31-2006, 08:37 PM

Willow Terrace Trailer Park on Doyle Drive in Albertville.

lol.

eos

10-31-2006, 08:41 PM

^i WAS going to say something about that, but...thought it would be in bad taste. thanks for pointing it out though LOL

Atealtha

10-31-2006, 09:19 PM

I was thinking of Immortal Technique - Dance with the Devil while reading this.

What is wrong with people? I just say that for weird things, but this time, really.

Yeahman

10-31-2006, 09:32 PM

W.T.F.

unless the mom favored the other son more, or was said son's gf (*shivers*), then i really don't see how that's revenge on anything. man...that just....man.
His brother was probably also his father.

Would it have been OK if it was consensual?
Just a little taste of what "right-wingers" think about homosexuality.

Yeahman

10-31-2006, 09:44 PM

That 2nd part wasn't directed at you. I was just putting the Q out there. What some of you may think about incest is somewhat like what others think about homosexuality.

eos

10-31-2006, 09:48 PM

well then.

i apologize.

moser

10-31-2006, 09:58 PM

Damn, if he gets convicted, jail time is going to be rough....

Yeahman

10-31-2006, 10:02 PM

Damn, if he gets convicted, jail time is going to be rough....
"Who's your mommy?"

LaiSteve66

10-31-2006, 10:13 PM

Now that's an impure thought you shouldn't have.

tvbdude

10-31-2006, 10:26 PM

white people are sick

pikachupacabra

10-31-2006, 10:39 PM

http://ekstrabladet.dk/archive/00220/helms_220021d.jpg

Gary Helms, Jr

seperated at birth?

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art3/0721051gold1.jpg

bluemonq

10-31-2006, 10:42 PM

That 2nd part wasn't directed at you. I was just putting the Q out there. What some of you may think about incest is somewhat like what others think about homosexuality.
The fact that it was rape bothers me far more than the fact that it was incest. If we were talking about two consenting adults, I wouldn't even bat an eye at this. What people want to do in their bedrooms is their own business (until someone gets hurt).

Arex

11-01-2006, 01:10 AM

That 2nd part wasn't directed at you. I was just putting the Q out there. What some of you may think about incest is somewhat like what others think about homosexuality.Child on mother : man on man? I don't quite see the analogy (not saying you came up with it), but whatevers.

Yeahman

11-01-2006, 11:12 AM

Child on mother : man on man? I don't quite see the analogy (not saying you came up with it), but whatevers.
Why is the former more objectionable than the latter, if they were both consensual?

bluemonq

11-01-2006, 01:28 PM

Aside from genetic issues, it shouldn't be.

returntosender

11-01-2006, 02:35 PM

Aside from genetic issues, it shouldn't be.

you gotta be kidding right?

DragonKnight

11-01-2006, 03:01 PM

The fact that it was rape bothers me far more than the fact that it was incest. If we were talking about two consenting adults, I wouldn't even bat an eye at this. What people want to do in their bedrooms is their own business (until someone gets hurt).
I agree. Some practices aren't really my cup of tea. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

Martino

11-01-2006, 03:05 PM

white people are sick

Unless there's non-European version of the Oedipus myth I don't know of, then you're right, the first (white) example of this kind of perversion was 2,400 years ago ...

bluemonq

11-01-2006, 06:43 PM

you gotta be kidding right?
I'm going to take a stab at it and say that you're not a vegan or even a vegetarian, yes? You do realize that there are people out there who equate your consumption of meat with murder? It is quite possible for humans to commit to a healthy, balanced non-meat diet.

There have been many studies that can show the societal dangers of eating meat. In an economic sense, meat-eating is very wasteful, considering the amount of grain/antibiotics/supplements that go into raising one pound of beef/pork/chicken/mutton/whatever. It is also very ecologically damaging: take, for instance, the massive destruction of grasslands in the united states and elsewhere; the rapid eutrophication resulting from the run-off from feedlots; and increasing numbers of pathogens that are jumping from other animals to humans.

Yet you still eat meat, right? And generally speaking, society doesn't persecute you for doing so.
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What is the point of this? The point is to show that just because society tacitly approves of something, it doesn't automatically make it harmless or right. The reverse holds true: just because society objects to it doesn't automatically make it wrong. You may object to incest on religious grounds, you may object to incest on genetic grounds (half of my issue with incest...), you may object to incest even on psychological grounds (...and the other half). But if it's consensual incest and you can't show that someone's being harmed, then be it cousin, sibling, parent-child, whatever: it's not your business, nor my business, nor the government's business.

Arex

11-02-2006, 12:39 AM

^ Agreed, 100%.

Yeahman

11-02-2006, 01:09 PM

What is the point of this? The point is to show that just because society tacitly approves of something, it doesn't automatically make it harmless or right. The reverse holds true: just because society objects to it doesn't automatically make it wrong. You may object to incest on religious grounds, you may object to incest on genetic grounds (half of my issue with incest...), you may object to incest even on psychological grounds (...and the other half). But if it's consensual incest and you can't show that someone's being harmed, then be it cousin, sibling, parent-child, whatever: it's not your business, nor my business, nor the government's business.
Let's put aside the laws. Just because something is illegal doesn't necessarily make it wrong and just because something is legal doesn't necessarily make it right.

What genetic problem do you have with incest? A greater likelihood of genetic defects in the children? What if one of them was sterile or they were just engaging in oral sex or they used protection or birth control or they plan to abort if the woman ever gets pregnant?

Psychological grounds? Why should there be any psychological problems?

My point is that many people are accused of being anti-gay or intolerant for calling them sickos when these same accusers would say the same about incestuous people. Shouldn't it be perfectly acceptable to strongly disapprove of incest or homosexuality?

bluemonq

11-02-2006, 01:42 PM

First: I never used the word "law". Not all of the shared beliefs of the majority of society are enshrined in the legal code. Sometimes social taboos can be much stronger than legislation.

As for my objections, what I am objecting to is the general concept of incest. That doesn't mean I'll call people sinners, or find them loony. I just find it a "bad idea". And if they're having oral sex/using birth control/sterile/whatever, well, more power to them. Even if they aren't, again, if nobody's being hurt by it, it's no one's business but their own.

Psychological issues? I'm thinking about a parent-child relationship, and to a lesser extent, extended family relationships where one individual is much older than the other. It's along the same lines as why there are office policies of not allowing relationships between bosses and their underlings. Position of power changes the dynamic.

And frankly, there's nothing wrong with voicing an opinion. Criticize away, feel free to express your disgust. The problem is comes when people try to force their values on someone else. And also the fact that "intolerant" has become a dirty word.

Yeahman

11-02-2006, 03:28 PM

^ So is sibling incest is acceptable by you?

bluemonq

11-02-2006, 03:39 PM

^ So is sibling incest is acceptable by you?
As I stated in the first sentence of my second paragraph, I object to the entire concept of incest, regardless of how one person is related to the other. I should have included sibling in the power thing to be more clear, but the power issue is most clear when we are talking about parent-child, or other situations where there is a clearly implied difference of power. Whether a incestuous relationship between siblings is less damaging or not I do not know, but it seems to me that something like a parent-child incestuous relationship could clearly lead to a conflict of some sort.

Even so, if you mean acceptable as in, "Would you sleep with someone who you knew was a relative?", then my answer would be "No"; however, if your question is, "Would you go out of your way to state that what an incestuous couple is doing is wrong?", then the answer is also "No."

jeee

11-02-2006, 09:08 PM

yelloman, why did you start talking about this? this has nothing to do with the thread. shouldn't this be split into "incest vs. homosexuality and the hypocrisy of people who think homosexuality is ok" or something?

Arex

11-02-2006, 10:45 PM

^ So is sibling incest is acceptable by you?So is homosexuality unacceptable to you?

LaiSteve66

11-02-2006, 11:00 PM

So is homosexuality unacceptable to you?

Obviously it is.

Yeahman

11-03-2006, 12:24 AM

As I stated in the first sentence of my second paragraph, I object to the entire concept of incest, regardless of how one person is related to the other. I should have included sibling in the power thing to be more clear, but the power issue is most clear when we are talking about parent-child, or other situations where there is a clearly implied difference of power. Whether a incestuous relationship between siblings is less damaging or not I do not know, but it seems to me that something like a parent-child incestuous relationship could clearly lead to a conflict of some sort.

Even so, if you mean acceptable as in, "Would you sleep with someone who you knew was a relative?", then my answer would be "No"; however, if your question is, "Would you go out of your way to state that what an incestuous couple is doing is wrong?", then the answer is also "No."
What if your son and daughter engaged in an incestuous relationship?

So is homosexuality unacceptable to you?
Homosexual sex, yes. Homosexual attraction, no.
And by "unacceptable", I mean I believe it is wrong. Not that I hate homosexuals. I have gay friends.
I probably think of homosexuality similarly to how many of you view consensual incest, which was the whole point of me bringing this up.

DragonKnight

11-03-2006, 12:52 AM

What if your son and daughter engaged in an incestuous relationship?

Oh boy, talk about making it personal now. *begins making popcorn*

Homosexual sex, yes. Homosexual attraction, no.
And by "unacceptable", I mean I believe it is wrong. Not that I hate homosexuals. I have gay friends.
I probably think of homosexuality similarly to how many of you view consensual incest, which was the whole point of me bringing this up.
Ah well, might as well draw the line of people not having sex at all while we're at it. If it feels so good, it's gotta be bad. Keep all that sperm in your pants, as God intended. :wink:

Arex

11-03-2006, 02:28 AM

Homosexual sex, yes. Homosexual attraction, no.So it's okay to have homosexual feelings, as long as you don't act on them? Do you feel the same way about incest? I.e., incestuous attraction is acceptable, but incestuous sex is not?

And by "unacceptable", I mean I believe it is wrong.What specifically about homosexual sex makes it "wrong?" What makes heterosexual sex "right?" I think bluemonq laid it out pretty well as to why some might take issue with consensual incest (e.g., heightened risk of genetic defects). Can you articulate why homosexual sex is necessarily wrong? What are your feelings on heterosexual butt sex?

Not that I hate homosexuals. I have gay friends.Classic.

I probably think of homosexuality similarly to how many of you view consensual incest, which was the whole point of me bringing this up.So do you view homosexuality and incest as equally wrong, or do you believe that incest falls a bit further down the spectrum of what is "unacceptable" versus what is not?

Yeahman

11-03-2006, 08:01 AM

So it's okay to have homosexual feelings, as long as you don't act on them? Do you feel the same way about incest? I.e., incestuous attraction is acceptable, but incestuous sex is not?
I still think both types of attraction are not normal but it wouldn't be "wrong" in any way. They haven't done anything!

What specifically about homosexual sex makes it "wrong?" What makes heterosexual sex "right?" I think bluemonq laid it out pretty well as to why some might take issue with consensual incest (e.g., heightened risk of genetic defects). Can you articulate why homosexual sex is necessarily wrong? What are your feelings on heterosexual butt sex?
It's a religious belief. All sex outside marriage is wrong. Heterosexual or homosexual.
As for heterosexual anal sex, it would depend on the motive. If it's meant as some kind of foreplay, that's fine, I guess. If it's meant as a complete replacement for traditional sex, than it's not.

So do you view homosexuality and incest as equally wrong, or do you believe that incest falls a bit further down the spectrum of what is "unacceptable" versus what is not?
Incest is certainly less common and less socially acceptable these days and so homosexuality doesn't have the shock effect that incest does. But as far as, moral culpability is concerned, it'd depend on the circumstances. There may be situations where homosexuality is more wrong than incest. Because we are so much less accepting of incest, it is probably the case that those in incestuous relationships are usually more morally culpable for going against that social taboo.

bluemonq

11-03-2006, 10:40 AM

What if your son and daughter engaged in an incestuous relationship?
If they're both 18 or older, then that's certainly their prerogative. If they're both younger than 18, there'd be a long talk with each of them individually to understand how this happened. If there's any sign of coercion involved, the police gets involved. If not, then it comes back to the standard, "I better not catch you two having sex, but if you continue to do so, it had better be safe sex." If I found out about it again, I would apply the same tactics as I would if I found out they had been sleeping with someone else. And if one is 18 or older and the other one is younger, or if both is under 18 but one is much older than the other, I believe we have a case of statutory rape on our hands.

I believe I've addressed all the necessary situations, no? What are you feelings on heterosexual sex purely for recreation?

Arex

11-03-2006, 11:15 AM

It's a religious belief. All sex outside marriage is wrong. Heterosexual or homosexual.
As for heterosexual anal sex, it would depend on the motive. If it's meant as some kind of foreplay, that's fine, I guess. If it's meant as a complete replacement for traditional sex, than it's not.This doesn't answer the fundamental question of why homosexual sex (or even sex outside of marriage) is inherently "wrong." I'm guessing it's because the Bible says so? Please educate me on this.

Incest is certainly less common and less socially acceptable these days and so homosexuality doesn't have the shock effect that incest does. But as far as, moral culpability is concerned, it'd depend on the circumstances. There may be situations where homosexuality is more wrong than incest. Because we are so much less accepting of incest, it is probably the case that those in incestuous relationships are usually more morally culpable for going against that social taboo.I'd be curious to know what these situations are where homosexuality is "more wrong" than incest in the general sense. I mean, heterosexual sex between a married couple can also be "more wrong" than incest if, for example, it involves rape. But generally speaking, as between two consenting adults, do you view incest and homosexuality to be equally wrong, or is one better or worse than the other? And where does premarital heterosexual sex fall within the spectrum?