Notorious C.H.O

[SunWuKong]

has anybody seen this? it's coming soon to where i live. there's no doubt going to be alot of white people watching this movie if i go watch it. i've downloaded some of her skits on MP3s, and i think she's really funny. but i wonder if i might feel embarrassed/uncomfortable at her impression of her mom and the "asian" accent with so many white people around. to be fair though, she does a number of accents, even the black ghetto bitch accent.

here's a link to her website www.margaretcho.com (http://www.margaretcho.com). there's a trailer to the movie and some clips on the site.



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[Shuriken]

Go see the movie, SWK.

[amietron]

Yeah, just go. It's not like you're gonna know everyone at the theatre or anything. What've you got to lose? If it makes you that uncomfortable, just leave.

[kasia]

so did you watch it? how was it?

[Chris]

it good :)

[BeTheReds]

I hate Margaret CHO.

I hate her boring ass routines about how ashamed she is of her fobby parents.

I hated that all american girl show which casted some old chinese lady as Margaret Cho's horny grandma and all the other asian-american cast butchering the Korean language.

I hate how she educates white audiences that it is okay to stereotype Koreans as people who own drycleaners and groceries.

She is basically just as annoying as Rosie Odonnel but Korean.


She came to my school a few years back and the AASU publicized the shit out of her. It became every Asian's moral duty to support her.

But I didn't go because her act sucks.

I'm sick and tired of her making fun of her Korean name as if it is inferior to her western name.

[Craig]

Hey, I hear BunBoy (a.k.a. Male Real Doll) has a thing for M. Cho :ph34r:

On a side note though, I believe it was a Eurasian (Japanese/White) that played her grandmother on All-American Girl. See Amy Hill.

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by Craig@Oct 30 2002, 10:25 AM
On a side note though, I believe it was a Eurasian (Japanese/White) that played her grandmother on All-American Girl. See Amy Hill.
Oh, well I only saw the show once. It got cancelled pretty quick from what I understand. Good thing too cuz Margaret Cho sucks.

If they are gonna make Korean-ness a part of a persons character and stories that deal with them being Korean, then they should get Koreans or at least Asians who speak Korean with no accent to play these parts.

I have no problems with ABCs trying to speak Korean if they are playing ABKs because a lot of ABKs don't speak so well.

[Craig]

You have to keep in the mind the relatively small population of Asians, let alone Koreans in the USA. In order for the show to have succeeded on network TV, it would have had to appeal to a much larger mainstream market. That being said, with the target audience being primarily White American, ... they can't really tell the difference between different Asian ethnicities and especially can't tell the difference in proper pronunciation for Asian languages. I think it was just some progress that Asians got an opportunity at exposure as "regular" people to an American audience. However, I still think the vehicle of execution was very flawed. I also dislike Margaret Cho from seeing her on TV including comedy routines on cable TV. Hopefully, somebody like Eddie Shin will make a longer standing positive impression as a role model of a "normal" Asian American on network television.

[DaBestSpooner]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Oct 30 2002, 05:10 AM
I hate Margaret CHO.

I hate her boring ass routines about how ashamed she is of her fobby parents.

I hated that all american girl show which casted some old chinese lady as Margaret Cho's horny grandma and all the other asian-american cast butchering the Korean language.

I hate how she educates white audiences that it is okay to stereotype Koreans as people who own drycleaners and groceries.

She is basically just as annoying as Rosie Odonnel but Korean.


She came to my school a few years back and the AASU publicized the shit out of her. It became every Asian's moral duty to support her.

But I didn't go because her act sucks.

I'm sick and tired of her making fun of her Korean name as if it is inferior to her western name.
I concurr! and I'd like to add she kisses ass okay thats too light, more like brown starfish cleaning to the gay community and makes it a big effort in her books and routines to make the gay community look extra special like being gay is a disability or defromity, when gays are just normal people.

Does she still go around talking about super rice king, Chris Issak?

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Oct 30 2002, 05:37 AM
Originally posted by Craig@Oct 30 2002, 10:25 AM
On a side note though, I believe it was a Eurasian (Japanese/White) that played her grandmother on All-American Girl. &nbsp;See Amy Hill.
Oh, well I only saw the show once. It got cancelled pretty quick from what I understand. Good thing too cuz Margaret Cho sucks.

If they are gonna make Korean-ness a part of a persons character and stories that deal with them being Korean, then they should get Koreans or at least Asians who speak Korean with no accent to play these parts.

I have no problems with ABCs trying to speak Korean if they are playing ABKs because a lot of ABKs don't speak so well.
erm... if you've only seen the show once, i don't think you should be that critical of it. i don't have an opinion of the show because i've never seen it. but i thought that i was a big step for asian americans to actually have a sitcom. sitcoms are like one of the ultimate gateways into mainstream consciousness.

and i think there are certain compromises that asian actors, directors, etc, must make in order to get more exposure for asian americans in the mainstream. black people had to do this too.

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by Craig@Oct 30 2002, 11:15 AM
You have to keep in the mind the relatively small population of Asians, let alone Koreans in the USA.
Dude, it was shot in LA. LA has one of the biggest KoreaTowns in the World.

If these people are just gonna play normal people then do they need to speak broken Korean to each other?

Yes I know black people had to do it too but their shows were actually funny and lasted longer. I loved Good Times.

Margaret Cho's show was plain retarded. I'd rather watch Fast and the Furious 30 times.

[kimpossible]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Oct 30 2002, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by Craig@Oct 30 2002, 11:15 AM
You have to keep in the mind the relatively small population of Asians, let alone Koreans in the USA.
Dude, it was shot in LA. LA has one of the biggest KoreaTowns in the World.

If these people are just gonna play normal people then do they need to speak broken Korean to each other?

Yes I know black people had to do it too but their shows were actually funny and lasted longer. I loved Good Times.

Margaret Cho's show was plain retarded. I'd rather watch Fast and the Furious 30 times.
Oh my god! I loved Good Times. Very few people I know now did.

[DaBestSpooner]

Good times was excellent!

I know black folk will scream bloody racism cus it was written and produced by a white guy.

but you cant deny KID DYNOMITE!

[BeTheReds]

Good times was much better than that crap they show now on the WB. I don't care who wrote it. It was damn good.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Oct 30 2002, 07:29 PM
Yes I know black people had to do it too but their shows were actually funny and lasted longer. I loved Good Times.

Margaret Cho's show was plain retarded. I'd rather watch Fast and the Furious 30 times.
i'm almost certain there's a black version of you out there somewhere that would complain about Good Times and how it wasn't funny.

[ChinaLama]

i didnt see much of all-american girl, but that show DID seem kind of lame.

[LT25]

Hi All,
I picked up Notorious Cho last night (I already have I'm the Only One That I Want DVD and autobiography and her CD Drunk With Power). I love the new movie, but I was wondering what you all think of Margaret Cho and her position as a high profile prepresentative of one part of Asian America. I Think she's great. She's funny, honest, and intelligent. But I can see how some people might not find her entertaining or a positive example of Asian America. :lol: :dance: :luv:

[ellsworth81]

she's definitely not a great representative, but the one thing she does well is to paint a more realistic image of APAs. That is, we're just as wacky and fucked up as the rest of the people in the country.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by LT25@Nov 24 2002, 12:25 PM
I picked up Notorious Cho last night
wow, tell the doc! he wants to do her! hahah no just kidding.

anyway, it's stupid. if she was a good looking girl, less people would have a problem with her. that's my personal opinion.

[Craig]

Wasn't there another older topic on "Notorious Cho" ? Perhaps a thread merging candidate ...

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by Craig@Nov 24 2002, 01:46 PM
Wasn't there another older topic on "Notorious Cho" ? Perhaps a thread merging candidate ...
good idea!
ooh this is the first time i've ever done this. i'm feeling the power... :nerd:

[luv]

I actually read Margaret Cho's biography. She hated All-American girl, but she was locked into her contract. ABC wouldn't let her write any of the scripts or hire Asian writers. She was pretty glad the show ended b/c it really fucked her up -- she became anorexic/bulimic and heavily addicted when critics (and the Asian community) started giving her crap.


The biography's really not a bad read to pass some time.

[Hiroshi2]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 30 2002, 08:06 AM

and i think there are certain compromises that asian actors, directors, etc, must make in order to get more exposure for asian americans in the mainstream. black people had to do this too.
That's exactly the point I was going to bring up. I think also Hispanics and really any other minority either has, is doing, or will have to do that in order to break into the mainstream.

BTW, while I loved Good Times (have seen all the episodes at least twice), it wasn't the first time black actors and actresses were on the mainstream. In the early days of motion pictures and before that, theater, blacks played such stereotypical roles as Sambo and Buckweed, which would never run today because of how blatantly stereotypical it is. But I agree with SunWuKung, it is a stepping stone. Margaret Cho, even if you think she sucks, is a pioneer in getting asian actors and actresses into the mainstream. Hispanics are also starting to do this, with shows like the George Lopez Show and Welcome to Tuscon, both on the WB.

I also think it's interesting when she talks about her personal life in dealing with being *ahem* fat, especially since she's in Hollywood, not to mention asian and female to boot. She took a lot of crap from white directors, producers, etc. who said she wasn't asian enough, or she was too fat, etc. I respect her for that at least.

[applehead]

Originally posted by luv@Nov 24 2002, 04:02 PM
I actually read Margaret Cho's biography. She hated All-American girl, but she was locked into her contract. ABC wouldn't let her write any of the scripts or hire Asian writers. She was pretty glad the show ended b/c it really fucked her up -- she became anorexic/bulimic and heavily addicted when critics (and the Asian community) started giving her crap.


The biography's really not a bad read to pass some time.
do you mean.. "i'm all that i got"?

'cause i read that too and it gave me such a new found respect for her. to share things like she did in her book takes a lot of guts.

the reason i like her so much is because she's so real and down to earth.
i think a lot of the things she says and does in her act is kind of a therapy for her.
especially when she makes fun of her name.. her name caused her a lot of problems for her and was one of the reason she was ostracized by her peers.

[LT25]

How did my post get taken over?! :angry: :confused:

[ChinaLama]

Notorious C.H.O. is a good allusion cuz she's def. B.I.G.


nah shes not THAt fat actually, but whatever. All-American Girl probably reinforced a lot of Asian guys' own stereotypes, "White people go for busted Asian chicks, which is good cuz that leaves the hot Asian chicks for us. :D" So plenty of ppl were proly happy Cho was representing cuz that makes asiaphile jokes funny rather than made in jealous rage. :lol: :lol:

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by LT25@Nov 25 2002, 03:01 PM
How did my post get taken over?! :angry: :confused:
isn't this exactly the kind of discussion you wanted? :confused:

[LT25]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Nov 26 2002, 01:48 AM
isn't this exactly the kind of discussion you wanted? :confused:
Yes, but I'm put off about having the rug pulled out from under my boots. :o :confused:

[scott]

I saw CHO on tour in Detroit and we (my wife and I) just rented her video. We liked it.

She's kind of a mixed picture for Asian representation. On the one hand, she does those accents (but she's allowed, she's Asian). On the other hand, she herself breaks a lot of the typical Asian femme stereotypes in a big way, in and out of her act.

I have a lot of respect for her and the crap she's had to put up with from White America TV-land and the Asian community in general. It's no wonder she feels most comfortable with the gay community (besides growing up with it). They don't judge her on her Asian-ness at least (too much or too little stereotype).

It is kind of curious how she dates white guys almost exclusively like Quentin Tarentino (when she was on All American Girl) and Chris Issak (ack!). But then again, I don't know too many Corean guys who would be banging on her door (much less her a$$) with her weight issues and "fag hag" (her words) lifestyle.

I say let the girl take whatever she can get.

[blkjade]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Sep 7 2002, 06:58 AM
has anybody seen this? it's coming soon to where i live. there's no doubt going to be alot of white people watching this movie if i go watch it. i've downloaded some of her skits on MP3s, and i think she's really funny. but i wonder if i might feel embarrassed/uncomfortable at her impression of her mom and the "asian" accent with so many white people around. to be fair though, she does a number of accents, even the black ghetto bitch accent.

here's a link to her website www.margaretcho.com (http://www.margaretcho.com). there's a trailer to the movie and some clips on the site.
Hey, go watch the movie, have a good laugh. If you can't laugh at yourself, you can't laugh at all. I get the biggest laugh out of watch another ethnic group doing something that they are not known to do.

[Arb Nam]

I've got to say, she has got balls to be doing this; considering everything that is stacked up against her. And what's up with the "she's fat " bit? Can't we all love a big girl?