Pastor says have Hot Sex

[Faithless]

Sorry, the inset video IS NOT of beautiful looking christians getting it on. I would love to hear that "time for sharing" section on Sunday's, there, though.

Worshipper: Pastor Beam, last night me and Trinity followed your message, and man did I spank that ass!

Wife: Oh, Neo stop!

Worshipper: She wasn't saying that last night, peops!

One preacher's message: Have hotter sex -- Minister Joe Beam says good Christian marriages walk on the wild side (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13834042/)

By Brian Alexander | MSNBC contributor | Updated: 12:27 a.m. MT Sept 16, 2006

SAN DIEGO — About 100 evangelical Christian couples stand in the convention hall of a Four Points Sheraton, bow their heads and thank God for their lives and the new day. Then they sing the old-timey hymn “There’s Not a Friend Like the Lowly Jesus.”

I have come here expecting exactly this scene. The occasion is a seminar called “Love, Sex and Marriage,” being given by Joe Beam, a Southern preacher out of the old school, a self-described “book-chapter-and-verse guy,” who runs an outfit based in Franklin, Tenn., called Family Dynamics. So I’m anticipating condemnation of American culture — especially America’s sexual culture — that has made conservative Christians feel besieged.

But then Beam, a portly, silver-haired basso profundo dressed in khaki slacks, a sweater vest and brown tasseled loafers that make him look like a retired country-club golf pro, walks to the front of the room and proceeds to tell the men in the audience how to make their semen taste better.

Sweet stuff works, he says, which provides a built-in excuse because "then you can say, 'I'm eating this cake for you, baby!'"

Welcome to the world of hot Christian love.

The San Diego Church of Christ is Beam’s sponsoring group today, but as far as he is concerned it could be any conservative Christian denomination. The message would be the same: Married Christians ought to be having more — and hotter — sex.

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[CBC guy]

Well Christians should believe that God created sex and that the act itself is good. It is the distortions of it (pedophilia, etc) that are bad.

[DragonKnight]

Hot sex...God's will...Amen to that.

[Hiroshi2]

It's no secret, but damn usually you don't hear it in church, especially not from the PASTOR, of all people.

[moser]

I don't see how the idea of having "hot sex" would be so shocking to Christians (assuming the sex is in a marital relationship). I mean, the Bible's full of comments about it...

[zarathustra]

I don't see how the idea of having "hot sex" would be so shocking to Christians (assuming the sex is in a marital relationship). I mean, the Bible's full of comments about it...

I see. :) Even though the bible says sex is ok in marriage but abstinence is still better? And the Catholic Church still will not condone condoms for married couples to prevent the spread of AIDS. Their solution is abstinence. The person who wrote half of the new testament also believed the flesh was the essence of paganism.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

^ Sex is more than 'ok' and is actually encouraged in the correct context according to Christian belief.

Abstinence is obviously better as opposed to, say, random and frequent acts of risky promiscuous sex, but where is it mentioned in scripture or anywhere else that abstinence is better regardless of context?

[Hiroshi2]

OK I mean seriously. God created sex, and he created it for us to enjoy. I personally believe the reason why he made it feel so good is to encourage people to reproduce and have kids and continue the human race, etc. And I'm being dead ass serious.


But obviously. This is all within the context of marriage, according to the Bible.

[CBC guy]

I see. :) The person who wrote half of the new testament also believed the flesh was the essence of paganism.


Most Christians today believe that this was Paul's personal opinion. He said that it was best to abstain and serve God completely, but if people had to have sex then by all means they should be married and have sex.

In the early middle ages there were a lot of saints who believed the flesh to be evil, but that theory has mostly been discredited since then.

[Faithless]

Missionary, anyone?

[zarathustra]

Most Christians today believe that this was Paul's personal opinion. He said that it was best to abstain and serve God completely, but if people had to have sex then by all means they should be married and have sex.

In the early middle ages there were a lot of saints who believed the flesh to be evil, but that theory has mostly been discredited since then.

:) Nice how Christian's of any age like to interpret the bible they want to. I wonder when they'll say all of Paul's writings (half of the New Testament) was his personal opinion. :)

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Um, interpretation is something that happens naturally any time you read anything, especially if you consider that the Bible is a collection of books with a variety of authors with differing motives and personalities living within different historical contexts and circumstances. Seeing as how Paul's letters to the church were framed in the context of advice regarding his idea of the ideal Christian life, I don't even see why it would be so farfetched to say that his personal opinion was a huge factor in his writings.

I like how once again people like to accuse the religious of being hypocrites or too "open to interpretation" on one end and then conveniently call them too uptight and fundamentalist on the other.

[zarathustra]

I like how once again people like to accuse the religious of being hypocrites or too "open to interpretation" on one end and then conveniently call them too uptight and fundamentalist on the other.

That's what happens with any knowledge when someones cares so much about truth. :)

Funny, I was reading parts of Bertrand Russell's book; didn't know that many Saints have been found with dozens of children outside of marriage. They had lots of fun.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Hmm, I'm not sure what you're trying to get at or what you're really trying to say, but in any case I'm sure this will just be another thread with people trying to discredit Christianity, as is with a lot of threads that CM starts. Therefore I think I'm just gonna refuse to encourage it and sit this one out.

[zarathustra]

If you're interested in studing the history of sexuality (or kinship) and/or where Christianity and Paul got their ideas, you could start with Foucault, Engels, and Levi-Strauss. There's lots of books but I think they have are among the ones with the largest impact.

Today, I started The Making of Fornication: Eros, Ethics, and Political Reform in Greek Philosophy and Early Christianity by Kathy Gaca.

The Chinese are also interesting. The regulation of sex they started at least as far as 500-1000 B.C. interesting. Did you know according to tradition, sex is strictly regulated even in marriage? Men and women are not able to hang their clothes on the same rack or store them together until the age of 70, when sex isn't possible? Girls and boys aren't able to sit together starting at the age of 7, because there was supposidly a myth of a 7 year old girl who gave birth. When spouses hand stuff to each other, hands aren't supposed to touch; something is placed down and picked up by the other person. Funny Chinese people. :)

Civilization is a strange thing. When people want to get together and rule over a land, sex is one of the things they realize they need to control. That includes control of one gender by the other. Before civilization, sex was more free. The more "primitive" a culture seems to be, it seems the more equal and open they are.

[snailpoo]

I guess none of you have read the Song of Solomon? ...you know that little book of the Bible stuck between Ecclesiastes and Isaiah?


1 How beautiful your sandaled feet,
O prince's daughter!
Your graceful legs are like jewels,
the work of a craftsman's hands.

2 Your navel is a rounded goblet
that never lacks blended wine.
Your waist is a mound of wheat
encircled by lilies.

3 Your breasts are like two fawns,
twins of a gazelle.

4 Your neck is like an ivory tower.
Your eyes are the pools of Heshbon
by the gate of Bath Rabbim.
Your nose is like the tower of Lebanon
looking toward Damascus.

5 Your head crowns you like Mount Carmel.
Your hair is like royal tapestry;
the king is held captive by its tresses.

6 How beautiful you are and how pleasing,
O love, with your delights!

7 Your stature is like that of the palm,
and your breasts like clusters of fruit.

8 I said, "I will climb the palm tree;
I will take hold of its fruit."
May your breasts be like the clusters of the vine,
the fragrance of your breath like apples,

9 and your mouth like the best wine.

Beloved
May the wine go straight to my lover,
flowing gently over lips and teeth. [a]

10 I belong to my lover,
and his desire is for me.

11 Come, my lover, let us go to the countryside,
let us spend the night in the villages. [b]

12 Let us go early to the vineyards
to see if the vines have budded,
if their blossoms have opened,
and if the pomegranates are in bloom—
there I will give you my love.

13 The mandrakes send out their fragrance,
and at our door is every delicacy,
both new and old,
that I have stored up for you, my lover.




Song of Solomon 7: 1-13

[Napoleon Chynamite]

^ Haha. Yea I remember the lecture my teacher gave on that in Biblical Lit. We had a quiz on it too, I was afraid she was going to make us memorize it.

[Bhodi_Li]

Pastor Tim Lucas, from Liquid Church (http://www.liquidchurch.com/), did a great series of sermons called Sex and the Bible that discusses the Song of Solomon or Song of Songs. If you have iTunes you can download the podcast (http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=135815996&s=143441). It's a bit long (there are nine sermons) but the end really wraps it up nicely.

[DragonKnight]

I guess none of you have read the Song of Solomon? ...you know that little book of the Bible stuck between Ecclesiastes and Isaiah?

Song of Solomon 7: 1-13
I know of it. I believe there was a debate on whether or not to keep it in the Bible or not in regards to the Catholic church (might be wrong on this, it was so long ago when I used to research the Bible in my younger days).

[Yeahman]

:) Nice how Christian's of any age like to interpret the bible they want to. I wonder when they'll say all of Paul's writings (half of the New Testament) was his personal opinion. :)
When Paul says so as he did when he talked about celibacy:
"This I say by way of concession, not of command. I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has a particular gift from God, one having one kind and another a different kind." - 1 Corinth 7:6-7

That's what happens with any knowledge when someones cares so much about truth. :)

Funny, I was reading parts of Bertrand Russell's book; didn't know that many Saints have been found with dozens of children outside of marriage. They had lots of fun.
Which saints would those be?


Anyway, Pope Benedict's first encyclical was on this topic:
doesn't the Church, with all her commandments and prohibitions, turn to bitterness the most precious thing in life? Doesn't she blow the whistle just when the joy which is the Creator's gift offers us a happiness which is itself a certain foretaste of the Divine?
Deus Caritas Est (http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20051225_deus-caritas-est_en.html)

[Faithless]

Is this the same Joe Beam? The one in this article (http://www.catholicexchange.com/node/7683) that says sodomy's okay for hets?

Joe Beam insists he is a "Bible-only" Christian, which means in this case that if it's not in the Bible, then it is OK. He would forbid homosexuality because Leviticus says so, while simultaneously blessing sodomy among married couples, provided "it doesn't hurt the body."

And ouch!

These "Bible-only" Christians use the Bible like a collection of whimsical rules existing in a void, unrelated to each other, unrelated to anything. They throw around words like "purity" and "lust" while reducing them to empty syllables. Furthermore, the message of Joe Beam and other preachers - that Christians ought to be having more and "hotter" sex - is the sentiment of an addict. Sex is not hot, it is holy. It is a dangerous and awesome power that no couple dares approach without fear and trembling. We should learn from Tobit on his knees praying that he would not take his wife in lust, but in truth.

[sageb1]

Most Christians today believe that this was Paul's personal opinion. He said that it was best to abstain and serve God completely, but if people had to have sex then by all means they should be married and have sex.

In the early middle ages there were a lot of saints who believed the flesh to be evil, but that theory has mostly been discredited since then.


See what happens when they repress their sexuality?

points to pedophilia done by priests:eek: