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DonDaBomb2

11-21-2002, 08:42 PM

Yao Ming went for 30 pts and 16 reb tonight against Dallas:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=221121006

Charles Barkley had to kiss a donkey's ass on national tv today because he lost a bet with Kenny Smith on whether Yao would score 20 in a game this season.

Maybe Yao is coming around now. I had my doubts but now he's starting to prove that he might one day be worth that #1 pick.

BeTheReds

11-21-2002, 08:46 PM

Good, I fuckin hate charles barkley. He is one of the most racist people on the planet who donesn't get criticized for it, because he is a minority.

mrazntre

11-21-2002, 09:35 PM

yeah... but look who was guarding him.....

might as well have left the basket unguarded......

:lol:

deez nuts

11-22-2002, 05:24 AM

Originally posted by mrazntre@Nov 22 2002, 12:35 AM
yeah... but look who was guarding him.....

might as well have left the basket unguarded......

:lol:
Yo is suxors tre.

You had a chance to snag him on our draft night :D

kimchee63

11-22-2002, 09:17 AM

The unstated question on the mind of every basketball media person is whether or not Asians can play the game. Of course they can, but the sentiment is there, and no one is saying it because they know they'll get tarred with the RACIST label. Except Charles Barkley, who has the nerve to say what everyone else is thinking.

In Sports Illustrated's basketball issue some NBA scout said that Yao Ming wasn't born with basketball skills. This is nuts. The implication is that some players (i.e., blacks) come out of the womb with these talents. Which again is not true. Players like Jordan, Barkley and Olajuwon had to work for everything, just like everyone else.

Hiroshi2

11-23-2002, 01:45 PM

Sometimes I agree with Barkely, other times I agree with bethereds: he's not only racist, but outspoken about it too. Bad combo. I don't like his apparent anti-asian sentiments.

Though I have to say that if he ran for governor of alabama like he said he would this year, I might've voted for him. Better than having some gun-toting redneck running the state.

I hope Yao Ming plays the absolute best he can, and prove all the naysayers wrong. He could be the Tiger Woods of basketball for asians.

Wait a minute, that didn't sound quite right. Anyway, let's not get into that debate.

Flint

11-28-2002, 07:49 PM

Shiet...fuck charles barkley...tell his retired ass to put on a uniform and go one on one with Yao Ming...he'll get his shiet block...that goes for anyone else who's doubting Yao Ming's talent.

applehead

11-28-2002, 07:52 PM

wow. didn't know there was an asian man in the nba.

mrazntre

11-28-2002, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by applehead@Nov 29 2002, 03:52 AM
wow. didn't know there was an asian man in the nba.
there are 2 !!!

applehead

11-28-2002, 10:28 PM

oh. didn't know that.... hey, that's .. wonderful.

i had to edit my post because i wrote.. asian men...plural.
i guess i should've left it. kekekeke :lol: :lol:

Craig

11-28-2002, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by mrazntre@Nov 29 2002, 01:18 AM
there are 2 !!!
I thought it was 3 ? 2 Han and 1 Mongol.

deez nuts

11-29-2002, 04:38 AM

Originally posted by applehead@Nov 28 2002, 10:52 PM
wow. didn't know there was an asian man in the nba.
There are two :D

Wang And Yao Ming

Mrazntre didn't draft either of them.

mrazntre

11-29-2002, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Nov 29 2002, 12:38 PM
There are two :D

Wang And Yao Ming

Mrazntre didn't draft either of them.
bunboy didn't draft neither one of them either, and he's CHINESE!

Craig

11-29-2002, 12:10 PM

So, what happened to Meng Bateer ?

deez nuts

11-29-2002, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by Craig@Nov 29 2002, 03:10 PM
So, what happened to Meng Bateer ?
oh yeah the guy for the Spurs. Not sure what happened to him. ;)

angel nympho

11-29-2002, 12:20 PM

What's the big deal about that shit? Charles Barkley owned up later. I heard him on the radio giving Yao Ming props.

Why are people screaming racism? I think some people ARE born with natural talent, and whether or not Yao Ming is one of them, I think it's true that some people LEARN how to play well, and some people are just innately GOOD at it.

deez nuts

11-29-2002, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by angel nympho@Nov 29 2002, 03:20 PM
What's the big deal about that shit?  Charles Barkley owned up later.  I heard him on the radio giving Yao Ming props.  

Why are people screaming racism?  I think some people ARE born with natural talent, and whether or not Yao Ming is one of them, I think it's true that some people LEARN how to play well, and some people are just innately GOOD at it.
Yeah I wouldn't call it racism either. It's just Charles being Charles running that mouth of his. He's just bitter cuz he got no rings. Must really suck to come so close at one point only to have it crushed by Jordan Inc. :D

All star like Barkley with no rings meanwhile Steve Kerr got like what five or six rings? :unsure:

mrazntre

11-29-2002, 05:09 PM

charles is being charles, and charles is a racist. this is regardless of what he has said of yao ming.

Chinkaholic

11-29-2002, 06:36 PM

whoo woo! so proud of YAO wait till he comes to LA i'll be cheering my butt off for him! Lakers can kiss my Chinita Bootay!

Hiroshi2

11-30-2002, 03:49 PM

Yeah screw the lakers. go kings!!!!!!

loserbutt

11-30-2002, 04:20 PM

hmm, this is interesting.

who are the other asians in basketball? links to espn pls?

and exactly what has Charles said that was racist?

angel nympho

11-30-2002, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by loserbutt@Dec 1 2002, 12:20 AM
hmm, this is interesting.

who are the other asians in basketball? links to espn pls?

and exactly what has Charles said that was racist?
He didn't say anything racist. He just said he'd kiss a donkey's ass if Yao Ming scores over 20 or something in a game. And since he did, he kissed a donkey's ass and gave Ming props.

loserbutt

11-30-2002, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by angel nympho@Dec 1 2002, 12:59 AM
Originally posted by loserbutt@Dec 1 2002, 12:20 AM
hmm, this is interesting.

who are the other asians in basketball? links to espn pls?

and exactly what has Charles said that was racist?
He didn't say anything racist. He just said he'd kiss a donkey's ass if Yao Ming scores over 20 or something in a game. And since he did, he kissed a donkey's ass and gave Ming props.
hmm, so casting doubt on yao ming makes you racist?

kimchee63

12-01-2002, 08:32 AM

Originally posted by loserbutt@Nov 30 2002, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Dec 1 2002, 12:59 AM
Originally posted by loserbutt@Dec 1 2002, 12:20 AM
hmm, this is interesting.

who are the other asians in basketball? links to espn pls?

and exactly what has Charles said that was racist?
He didn't say anything racist. He just said he'd kiss a donkey's ass if Yao Ming scores over 20 or something in a game. And since he did, he kissed a donkey's ass and gave Ming props.
hmm, so casting doubt on yao ming makes you racist?
No, I was referring to a comment in the Sports Illustrated 2002 NBA Preview, where one NBA scout said that Yao Ming had not been born with basketball skills, and that he had had to work for all of his achievements in basketball. The implication is that some people ARE born with basketball skills, i.e., African Americans, which is preposterous. Jordan, Olajuwon, and Garnett have had to work hard, just like everyone else. THAT is racist.

There is also the idea that Asians and Asian men suck at sports. The one thing that Barkley does is say the things that no one else will say. Was Barkley being a racist when he started poking fun at Yao Ming? It's hard to prove. But so is racism in general.

deez nuts

12-01-2002, 10:08 AM

I was apprehensive about Yao Ming also. I mean Manute Bol and Shawn Bradley did come to mind. I didn't really doubt his ability to play and his natural skills, but more along the lines on how good he'll be in the NBA. Reference the old Yao Ming thread from ways back. Like I said in time, Yao could be one of the top three centers in the NBA if he lives up to his potential.

Where the game is now dominated by the two-guard and the new breed of power fowards a la Duncan, Garnett etc etc. I mean outside of Shaq the center hasn't been really a first go to option since Jordan came into the league. I mean look at Shaq when he was in Orlando, it was him and Penny Hardaway. Nowadays a center needs a solid point guard, shooting guard or power foward to open it up for him, especially with the implementation of the zone defense in the NBA.

Yao has that in Steve Francis to help him in that aspect. But in a few years I think Yao, Mobley and Francis might be a potent one-two-three punch. With the one guard and two guard having the ability to score, Yao will have a field day on some nights. Let's not forget Yao is still a rookie. And when Cuttino Mobley comes back, the Rockets will definitely contend.

Ahhh high school varsity hoops nostalgia.

Green_Circle

12-01-2002, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Nov 22 2002, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by mrazntre@Nov 22 2002, 12:35 AM
yeah... but look who was guarding him.....

might as well have left the basket unguarded......

:lol:
Yo is suxors tre.

You had a chance to snag him on our draft night :D
They should bring all our boys here to take over! Yao is only the point man. Before you know it we will rule the courts. And all the spoils that follow.

:P

loserbutt

12-01-2002, 10:50 AM

yea come to think of it being 7'6 does sorta shout "born to play basketball"

btw Barkley is probably racist towards asians, but he hasn't really made any racist comments so I'll let him go on that

ChinaLama

12-01-2002, 10:51 AM

alright, i didn't know Sir Charles actually kissed a REAL donkey's ass. I give him mad props for that.

deez nuts

12-01-2002, 10:54 AM

It's also worth it to point out that out of the three Asian players that got drafted Yao Ming, Wang Zhizhi and Mengke Bateer were all around the 7' and 7'+ mark. Think there was a one guard that got drafted awhile back too, not sure what happened to him.

angel nympho

12-01-2002, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by kimchee63@Dec 1 2002, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by loserbutt@Nov 30 2002, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Dec 1 2002, 12:59 AM
Originally posted by loserbutt@Dec 1 2002, 12:20 AM
hmm, this is interesting.

who are the other asians in basketball? links to espn pls?

and exactly what has Charles said that was racist?
He didn't say anything racist. He just said he'd kiss a donkey's ass if Yao Ming scores over 20 or something in a game. And since he did, he kissed a donkey's ass and gave Ming props.
hmm, so casting doubt on yao ming makes you racist?
No, I was referring to a comment in the Sports Illustrated 2002 NBA Preview, where one NBA scout said that Yao Ming had not been born with basketball skills, and that he had had to work for all of his achievements in basketball. The implication is that some people ARE born with basketball skills, i.e., African Americans, which is preposterous. Jordan, Olajuwon, and Garnett have had to work hard, just like everyone else. THAT is racist.

There is also the idea that Asians and Asian men suck at sports. The one thing that Barkley does is say the things that no one else will say. Was Barkley being a racist when he started poking fun at Yao Ming? It's hard to prove. But so is racism in general.
Uhh... I don't think pointing out that ONE guy isn't as good as other players implicates that Asians suck at sports. And even if it does, ONE NBA scout said that. Isn't it a GOOD thing when somebody says that the person had to work really hard for his achievements? Better than cruising along and doing jack shit for achievements, I think.

And I think it is true that some people ARE born with basketball skills... REGARDLESS of race. Some Asians are good at it, some aren't. If you're NOT good at it, you can GET good at it. But some people just have grip of natural talent. That's where the term "you're a natural" comes from... it's not made up. Some people ARE naturals. The fact that you're tall doesn't mean you're made for basketball.

loserbutt

12-01-2002, 01:07 PM

Jordan once made a statement while on the Chicago Bulls

"all the black guys have the talent but they don't work at it, while the white guys work hard but don't have any talent"

angel nympho

12-01-2002, 01:10 PM

^-- While that may have been the case for his particular team (I don't really know how good those guys were...)... that probably sounds a lot worse than how he meant it. 'Cuz reading it the first time, I was like ":O," but now that I think about it, I guess I can see how he may have been serious. But still. That's one of thsoe things you just aren't supposed to talk about. LOL.

loserbutt

12-01-2002, 01:27 PM

heh well for most, no all of the 80's the Bulls were basically a one man team. but then the quote was from "Jordan Rules", this novel about the dark side of him so maybe its not totally reliable. the book is a great read though

Hiroshi2

12-01-2002, 03:38 PM

Well, some of the white Bulls' players from that time were from Europe. The "white guys can't jump" notion doesn't seem to affect European players, probably because they didn't hear as much (or at all) over there. Sports Illilustrated did an article about that at some point I believe. That's why you got guys in the league now like Peja Stojakovic (sp?), Vlade Divac, and then Bulls player Tony Kukoc who, although they were white, had talent and weren't intimidated by black players or the fact that 80% of the NBA's players are black.

ChinaLama

12-01-2002, 03:43 PM

I think all NBA stars are born w/ natural advantages that make them more "talented" but they all also had to work their ASSES off to just get a foothold into the NBA. i mean maybe you could be a sickly harry potter-look-alike and PURELY through hard work make it to your junior varsity or hs team, but how many hs teams are there in this country? how many of them make it to college teams, and how many college students make it to the NBA? It can't *just* be hard work; it's gotta be a combination of intense work effort AND some natural advantages (like being born w/ the propensity to grow tall or have better motor reflexes).

loserbutt

12-01-2002, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by Hiroshi2@Dec 1 2002, 11:38 PM
Well, some of the white Bulls' players from that time were from Europe. The "white guys can't jump" notion doesn't seem to affect European players, probably because they didn't hear as much (or at all) over there. Sports Illilustrated did an article about that at some point I believe. That's why you got guys in the league now like Peja Stojakovic (sp?), Vlade Divac, and then Bulls player Tony Kukoc who, although they were white, had talent and weren't intimidated by black players or the fact that 80% of the NBA's players are black.
not really, jordan made that quote around 1990. Kukoc came in 94. He was referring to Bill Paxston (who despite his shortcomings started as point guard for his entire time with the bulls) and the other white bulls players

angel nympho

12-01-2002, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by ChinaLama@Dec 1 2002, 11:43 PM
I think all NBA stars are born w/ natural advantages that make them more "talented" but they all also had to work their ASSES off to just get a foothold into the NBA. i mean maybe you could be a sickly harry potter-look-alike and PURELY through hard work make it to your junior varsity or hs team, but how many hs teams are there in this country? how many of them make it to college teams, and how many college students make it to the NBA? It can't *just* be hard work; it's gotta be a combination of intense work effort AND some natural advantages (like being born w/ the propensity to grow tall or have better motor reflexes).
I agree.

But you don't think that somebody who learned how to play, wasn't very good at first, but got better and better, kept at it, and honed his skill to end up in the NBA could play at the same skill level as somebody who just had a lot of natural talent, and didn't HAVE to practice 12 hours every day to get where he got? If that's the case, wouldn't you think there are some people in the NBA who, although they play at the same skill level as the others, didn't have natural talent and just worked their ass off to get there?

ChinaLama

12-01-2002, 09:37 PM

Originally posted by angel nympho@Dec 2 2002, 05:32 AM
I agree.

But you don't think that somebody who learned how to play, wasn't very good at first, but got better and better, kept at it, and honed his skill to end up in the NBA could play at the same skill level as somebody who just had a lot of natural talent, and didn't HAVE to practice 12 hours every day to get where he got? If that's the case, wouldn't you think there are some people in the NBA who, although they play at the same skill level as the others, didn't have natural talent and just worked their ass off to get there?
hmm i dunno. I think EVERYONE works their ass off to get to the NBA, we just don't see that. Cuz there are so many basketball players who are qualified enough to be on school teams, that there's no way someone could cut it into the NBA by not working harder than everyone else. And then I think, given that so many people must be working 12 hours/day or maybe even more, then the ppl who get into the NBA also just have more "talent" (ie, height, coordination, etc) than everyone else.

I think the talent difference between NBA players is probably very small, even between MJ and say runofthemill benchboy, but maybe under pressure it just SEEMS huge cuz that's all it really takes. A slight edge and some luck, like how the Bulls beat the Suns by 1 pt back in one of MJ's pre-retirement championships.

angel nympho

12-01-2002, 09:40 PM

^-- I see your point. I just don't think it's that inconceivable for some of the players to have much less natural talent than others. Of course they all worked hard, though. Technically, for some of those players who are really out there for the love of the game, that could hardly be called work. :)

ChinaLama

12-01-2002, 09:43 PM

Originally posted by angel nympho@Dec 2 2002, 05:40 AM
^-- I see your point.  I just don't think it's that inconceivable for some of the players to have much less natural talent than others.  
yeah, i guess. I mean maybe i am under-estimating the difference in talent between say yao ming and the last draft pick.

But shrugs they're proly all or almost all of them are more "talented" than any college student player. But shrugz, maybe not; maybe some college players who were really good ended up doing other stuff instead, like getting high. :D

Of course they all worked hard, though.  Technically, for some of those players who are really out there for the love of the game, that could hardly be called work.  :)

That's assuming "work" has to be something someone doesn't want to do. ;)

angel nympho

12-01-2002, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by ChinaLama@Dec 2 2002, 05:43 AM
yeah, i guess. I mean maybe i am under-estimating the difference in talent between say yao ming and the last draft pick.

But shrugs they're proly all or almost all of them are more "talented" than any college student player. But shrugz, maybe not; maybe some college players who were really good ended up doing other stuff instead, like getting high. :D

That's assuming "work" has to be something someone doesn't want to do. ;)
Haha, that's okay! Who needs to be an NBA star??? Sheiit, beautiful women, lots of sex, and wheelbarrow after wheelbarrowfull of money...? Pshhhh... I got my teddy bear to keep me warm at night...