Japanese prince dies

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he died playing squash apparently...

Prince Takamado, a cousin of Emperor Akihito and seventh in the line of succession to the Chrysanthemum Throne, collapsed and died Thursday while playing squash at the Canadian Embassy in Tokyo. He was 47. The prince, an outspoken advocate of less secrecy surrounding the Japanese royal family, was the third son of Prince Mikasa, former Emperor Hirohito's younger brother.

[enygma]

this isn't going to effect anything, is it?

[noriko]

i heard about this! It's so sad:(

It seemed like he was a really great guy.

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by enygma@Nov 21 2002, 11:24 PM
this isn't going to effect anything, is it?
Well since he spoke out against secrecy around the imperial throne, this is a blow to the people who want to dig up imperial graves to find a strong Korea connection that will show that the majority of Japanese came from Korea and it is a blow to linguists who have just about proved that Japanese and Korean are in the same language family and have a similar origin, but can't say so because there is no historical evidence to suggest so.

The whole reason for secrecy around the royal house is to that Japanese can still claim that their emperor is a direct descendant from the Sun Godess Ameterasu rather than the off shoot of a prominent clan in Korea or possibly an exiled clan from Korea.

I am very sorry that I have to bring this up when there is so little Japanese presence on this site beyond hapas, but this is how it is goinig to effect things.

[enygma]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Nov 21 2002, 09:58 PM
The whole reason for secrecy around the royal house is to that Japanese can still claim that their emperor is a direct descendant from the Sun Godess Ameterasu rather than the off shoot of a prominent clan in Korea or possibly an exiled clan from Korea.


do people really still believe that? about the goddess, i mean.

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by enygma@Nov 22 2002, 06:29 AM

do people really still believe that? about the goddess, i mean.
no, they don't, but the thing that they are protecting is the Korea connection, not the souls of the emperor.

[enygma]

man, i understand the korean bitterness and the rivalry between the two nations and all, but seriously, i wish they would just stop. this may be a very childish view, but it's getting very tiring, all this fighting and bickering over some trivial issues now.

[BeTheReds]

That will never happen unless one conquers the other and holds it for hundreds of years, and the populations interbreed so that it is impossible to distinguish upon sight which is which, (tho that is increasingly hard to do now, as many japanese people proudly display their be the reds shirts and ahn jung hwan jerseys), and if they use only one language, and forever forget the other.

[enygma]

sigh....

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by enygma@Nov 22 2002, 07:00 AM
sigh....
yea...

my thoughts too.

[MellowDrama]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Nov 22 2002, 12:59 AM
That will never happen unless one conquers the other and holds it for hundreds of years, and the populations interbreed so that it is impossible to distinguish upon sight which is which, (tho that is increasingly hard to do now, as many japanese people proudly display their be the reds shirts and ahn jung hwan jerseys), and if they use only one language, and forever forget the other.
The thing is, the interbreeding occurred en masse during the Kofun period. The history was just forgotten and intentionally repressed! :(

The current Emperor did mention a tie to Korea, but it was in sort of a muted, under the table kind of way. He said the maternal lineage of one of his ancestors was a princess from the Kingdom of Paekche (sorry if I f*ck up the Romanization, there's just so many diff. ways I've seen it spelled):

"The mother of Emperor Kammu was of the line of King Muryong of Paekche."

If he wanted to be more correct, he should have said the entire imperial line is descended from Paekche, starting with Emperor Ojin.

:ph34r:

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by MellowDrama@Nov 23 2002, 10:14 AM
The thing is, the interbreeding occurred en masse during the Kofun period. The history was just forgotten and intentionally repressed! :(


Yes, but the interbreeding you speak of is that of Koreans who moved to japan and interbred with the Jomon people of Japan (who are now referred to as AINU, tho there is no concrete evidence to suggest that the Ainu had inhabited all of Japan other than grave sites with skeletons who's bones match the proportions of modern day Ainu)... Then other people came to the islands from china and polynesia. So all the en masse inbreeding took place on the Japanese islands, while Korea, the hermit kingdom(s) interbred en masse with no one except maybe the mongols and the chinese whenever they had wars on the peninsula...

If you can just open one of the Kofun tho, there will be proof that the Jomon civ lasted for a long long time until genocidal invaders from the peninsula conquered and slaughtered and interbred with the Jomon people, then set up the imperial government.

But no Japanese wants that to be proven, and almost every Korean does want it proven.