1950s comic book "Yellow Claw"

[SunWuKong]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Claw

check it out. this was a 1950s comic book with a Fu Manchu-like villain... and a Chinese American FBI agent as the hero. i've never heard of this until now

[returntosender]

what the heck happened in the 50s that would inspire this idea?

[SunWuKong]

what the heck happened in the 50s that would inspire this idea?

... the Cold War? although the hero being Chinese American was definitely progressive at a time when comic books were so racist.

[Tao]

what the heck happened in the 50s that would inspire this idea?
ummm...communism, cold war?

[returntosender]

Hmm, I sense a lack of conviction when you said that so I'm going to assume you made it up.

[SunWuKong]

Hmm, I sense a lack of conviction when you said that so I'm going to assume you made it up.

damn. you totally caught me. yeah, i made up the myth of the Cold War.

ok everybody, joke's over.

[jdmdrift]

I KNEW IT! now if they could just debunk that hollocaust myth

[Player 0]

Meh not nearly as bad as Egg-fu

http://www.superdickery.com/bondage/21.html

I don't what's more offensive, the fact that it was done five times, the fact that it's such an assinine concept, or the fact that may also offend Mexican people, since at one pointi believe he also wore a sambrero.

[mr. x]

well I guess there was still some nostalgia about us being america's favorite child (next to the phillipines) during the second war.

[Golden Monkey]

Chinese American FBI agent, Jimmy Woo! :wink:

I like the babe but shouldn't she be hiding behind him. In the photo it looks like he is using her as a shield to protect himself for Yellowclaw's scary fingernails. :biggrin:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Yellowclaw1.jpg

[TB4000]

The fact that the hero is also Asian seems pretty interesting, considering that later fictional stories similar would have made the guy white.

[SunWuKong]

Meh not nearly as bad as Egg-fu

http://www.superdickery.com/bondage/21.html

I don't what's more offensive, the fact that it was done five times, the fact that it's such an assinine concept, or the fact that may also offend Mexican people, since at one pointi believe he also wore a sambrero.

hahhah i like how they typed "Egg Fu" in the Chinese takeout font.

anyway, my point for posting about "Yellow Claw" was to show that they actually had a Chinese American hero back in the 1950s. however, true to an unwritten rule that applies to Hollywood today, Asian heroes must fight Asian villains, not white villains.

[Player 0]

And all Asian superheroes must have kung-fu related oriental powers.

[Golden Monkey]

hahhah i like how they typed "Egg Fu" in the Chinese takeout font.

anyway, my point for posting about "Yellow Claw" was to show that they actually had a Chinese American hero back in the 1950s. however, true to an unwritten rule that applies to Hollywood today, Asian heroes must fight Asian villains, not white villains.

Well, in the TV series Kung Fu the villains were always White men. Even though the Chinese monk was a mixed man played by tall Caucasian actor David Carradine.

[Irezumi Kiss]

Well, in the TV series Kung Fu the villains were always White men. Even though the Chinese monk was a mixed man played by tall Caucasian actor David Carradine.
Those were period/past-era roles...because of the more isolated nature of the world at that time, you could probably get away with the "invader/uncivilized barbarian" aspect of the villains being white and the hero role being a numinous Asian character. Having things in the past historical eras gives you a very good crutch to lean on as you can say, "well that was then, this is now."

In more contemporary times like these, it's a pretty glaring significance that The Man doesn't want to be upstaged by other men of color in entertainment media, even on a subliminal level.

[Shuriken]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Claw

check it out. this was a 1950s comic book with a Fu Manchu-like villain... and a Chinese American FBI agent as the hero. i've never heard of this until now

http://www.hyperfan.com.br/tits/i_woo.jpg

Really? I thought that I’d written something about Jimmy Woo, agent of S.H.I.E.L.D., on an earlier YW post.

http://heroes.chez-alice.fr/e-herrev/images/shield1.jpg

Jimmy Woo can still be seen today as a supporting character in book-sized reprints of artist Jim Steranko’s ground-breaking Marvel Comics series from the 1960s, Nick Fury, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. I bought my copy not long ago.

[Golden Monkey]

In more contemporary times like these, it's a pretty glaring significance that The Man doesn't want to be upstaged by other men of color in entertainment media, even on a subliminal level.

Spare me the "men of color" bs. You're black. There is no "men of color" similarity in the media. Black males are prominent in ALL areas of the media. Asian males are nearly non-existent.

The Man, as you say, doesn't seem to have any problem promoting black males as hero/avengers. Nearly EVERY black oriented movie, and many mainstream movies as well, features black males beating or upstaging White males. This has been true from at least the eary 1970s and the so called "blacksploitation" films.

Denzel Washington, Wesley Snipes, Avery Brooks, and of course Samuel L. Jackson are always used in films where they confront and defeat and humiliate and "upstage" white men.

And when the Whte man needs a black saint they can always go to Morgan Freeman or Dennis Haysbert.

There is No Asian male equivalent to this. None at all. And remember black males are no more than 5-6% of the US population.

[deez nuts]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/25/Yellowclaw1.jpg/200px-Yellowclaw1.jpg

it looks like lao fu zi is having a bad day. maybe it's cuz da fan su broke up with him.

[eos]

^bwahahahaha....i totally got that.

i never really knew how to read the chinese...i just looked at the pictures.

[SunWuKong]

Well, in the TV series Kung Fu the villains were always White men. Even though the Chinese monk was a mixed man played by tall Caucasian actor David Carradine.

my point exactly. if the character was actually played by an at least part-Asian-looking guy, the villains wouldn't have been white.

[Irezumi Kiss]

Spare me the "men of color" bs. You're black. There is no "men of color" similarity in the media. Black males are prominent in ALL areas of the media. Asian males are nearly non-existent.

The Man, as you say, doesn't seem to have any problem promoting black males as hero/avengers. Nearly EVERY black oriented movie, and many mainstream movies as well, features black males beating or upstaging White males. This has been true from at least the eary 1970s and the so called "blacksploitation" films.

Denzel Washington, Wesley Snipes, Avery Brooks, and of course Samuel L. Jackson are always used in films where they confront and defeat and humiliate and "upstage" white men.

And when the Whte man needs a black saint they can always go to Morgan Freeman or Dennis Haysbert.

There is No Asian male equivalent to this. None at all. And remember black males are no more than 5-6% of the US population.
I sure hope you're not saying that Black (men) have absolute carte blanche in the ways their images are portrayed even to this day. We may have a significant head start in our media representation versus Asians, but that doesn't mean it's all positive, lined with roses, lollipops and unicorns.

Lessee...Denzel got an Oscar for a character essentially being an asshole and getting his ass handed to him by a White guy half his weight wet. (guess nobody wanted to give more than lip service to "Hurricane") Halle got her Oscar by being butt-ended by a White man as a whore and loving it. Hustle & Flow...I liked it, nice little movie about a "thinking man's pimp," directed by a...white guy...and that pimp song got an Oscar even if the movie didn't...and what just came out recently? Waist Deep...hmm...some cartoonish ghetto movie that glorifies Black-on-Black nihilism and has the cineplex life expectancy of a brick floating in the water...oooh, that was directed by a Black man that time...guess we don't have that old White magic there!

Don't even get me started on all the movie posters dealing with "urban" stories featuring a humorless, glaring Black male with a gun, often NOT in a positive police context protecting the general peace, but as renegade or miscreant or just plain ol' hood. Oh yeah, that joke of a 50-Cent movie trying to have his 8-Mile and eat it, too. Holding a gun in one hand and a baby in the other. OOOOH the subtle symbolism is killing me! Get it? Gun? Killing me? Har har har! Well, people actually complained about that and forced a recall on one sign overlooking a freeway influencing tons of impressionables who don't know fact from fantasy, so I know I'm not alone in the way I feel.

So what do we gots here...guns, drug trades, unneccesary nihilism, played out California based gang warfare, forgettable hip-hop soundtracks with equally forgettable hip-hop artists being "actors", tired-assed coon humor comedies, asexually numinous mystic figures, nonthreatening homosexual characters (a la "The Family Stand": not essentially a "negative," but whatever doesn't hurt a straight Alpha white male and the white women around him might not hurt you, either), fucked-up African countries with swarms of gutter-clothed people screaming for help instead of showing the beauty that IS THERE but the ones in control don't WANT YOU TO BELIEVE is there...don't ever kid yourself about what KIND of Black people "sell" in movies. Because, honestly reaching and original films like "Akeelah and The Bee" are lucky to even last a week starting out. And if you went to see that, buddy...hey, I'll buy you a beer.

Meanwhile, back at the Whitebread Ranch...all of the movies this year that have broke the $100 mil mark have had absolutely ZILCH to do with Blacks in the hero/avenger mode, or with your "non-person of color" race as well. The only one that has come close was "Inside Man," ($88M) which thankfully has us in good taste and directed by Spike...but you see, that was an ensemble piece, salted with some good ol White star bankability to compliment Denzel and I guarantee you it wouldn't have done as much had the whole cast been chocolate.

So yeah...I'll spare you the bullshit...but if you're trying to school me about how "good" I have it as a Black guy in the media and the virtual wellspring of positivity that flows from it, well I know some purse-clutching old white ladies that might wanna have a little chat with you.

And you know what? Your personal identity outlook aside, you're free to have fun with semantics all you want, but if you're not white, you're a person of color. Unless you wanna believe in your model minority honorary white status when it's convenient for you.

Soooo...that's how I see this world whenever I need to argue to the contrary. Now, if we're through playing "Who's Got Da White Man Blues Worse," let's just agree to disagree and move on.

[TB4000]

^Agreed. While I am also in agreement that the issue should strictly be for discussion of Asian roles in the media, I do get tired of people assuming we do have it as good in the media as they claim. I'd rather be accused of being a constant intellectual than somebody that's going to rape one of your women, then rob and rap about it.

[Golden Monkey]

I sure hope you're not saying that Black (men) have absolute carte blanche in the ways their images are portrayed even to this day.

I'm not saying anything that you can take to serve your exaggerated sense of grievence against The Man. I'm saying DON'T lump all non-White men into a category of men that are treated the same in the American media.

Lessee...Denzel got an Oscar for a character essentially being an asshole and getting his ass handed to him by a White guy half his weight wet.

Meanwhile Russell Crowe was more deserving of the Oscar for his portrayal of genius John Nash in "A Beautiful Mind".

And as for awards given for playing degenerates, remember Anthony Hopkins got the Oscar for playing a brain eating CANNIBAL. Do you think a leading black male actor will be put in that kind of role any time soon.

(guess nobody wanted to give more than lip service to "Hurricane")

He got nominated for that dishonest portrayal of black racist mass murderer Hurricane Carter. But notice how Dan Hedeya, a White man, was cast as a totally fabricated and evil police officer.

Hustle & Flow...I liked it, nice little movie about a "thinking man's pimp,"

Yeah, who pimps a little blonde White girl. Apparently the white man has no problem with that.

Because, honestly reaching and original films like "Akeelah and The Bee" are lucky to even last a week starting out. And if you went to see that, buddy...hey, I'll buy you a beer.

Great, a movie about a SPELLING BEE champ and it's a black girl. That proves my point again. Spelling bee champs in America are never black, often white but very often ASIAN from East Asia or India.

Meanwhile, back at the Whitebread Ranch...all of the movies this year that have broke the $100 mil mark have had absolutely ZILCH to do with Blacks

Hey, guess what America aint Africa. Blacks are 10-12% of the US.

And I'm still waiting for you to admit that Denzel Washington, Wesley Snipes, Will Smith, Morgan Freeman, Dennis Haysbert, Samuel L. Jackson, etal actually have careers.

Now give me the comparable Asian list.

but you see, that was an ensemble piece, salted with some good ol White star bankability to compliment Denzel and I guarantee you it wouldn't have done as much had the whole cast been chocolate.


And how bankable would an all asian movie be to a black audience. Unless it was a kung fu flick it would get nothing and even then blacks want to see BLACK kung fu champs preferably beat white man and an Asian gang as well.

So yeah...I'll spare you the bullshit...but if you're trying to school me about how "good" I have it as a Black guy in the media and the virtual wellspring of positivity that flows from it,

I'm seeing EVERY tv show about doctors featuring black male doctors prominently. No Asian MEN. Detective and law shows - black males yes, asian males no. And on and on in TV and film.

well I know some purse-clutching old white ladies that might wanna have a little chat with you.

Yeah, I'm sure there are alot of women of all races who could talk to you about black male violence that they have experienced. If you need to pretend disproportionate black male violence in America against people who aren't black is a white media myth, then I'll leave you to your self serving and self pitying racial illusions.

And you know what? Your personal identity outlook aside, you're free to have fun with semantics all you want, but if you're not white, you're a person of color.

No I'm not, nobody is. But thanks for the invitation to join you and the brothers in your unending hatefest against whitey.

I prefer to recognize the reality of racial, ethnic and cultural diversity without out lumping 90% of humanity into a politically correct way of saying "mud people".

Unless you wanna believe in your model minority honorary white status when it's convenient for you.

You still have alot of bitterness in you when you sense other people in America who aren't white or black don't instantly and uncritically join up with your own black anti-white bigotries.

It's got to be frustrating for you. You must feel like an Army recruiter looking around a college campus for Iraqi cannon fodder. :biggrin:

[Irezumi Kiss]

You still have alot of bitterness in you when you sense other people in America who aren't white or black don't instantly and uncritically join up with your own black anti-white bigotries.

It's got to be frustrating for you. You must feel like an Army recruiter looking around a college campus for Iraqi cannon fodder. :biggrin:
Well, not really...none of that bitterness campaigning or frustration projecting has nothing to do with me...I was just answering YOU and YOU ALONE. Since you had a problem with being a "person of color." It's all good, though, call yourself what you want to, it's your right and it's the beauty of living here. There's no hating Whitey with me, just recognizing the real deal when it comes to representation of images, the quality of them and who signs off on the bottom line. That's what I was saying to you. We both have different eyes on the world here. Like I said, let's agree to disagree.

On making Asian movies that Blacks won't go see...hey, you make a good movie period, you give it fair to above average advertising and put it in theaters where people can go see it, we'll go see it. Can't speak for alla us but I know what I like. I like having the choice, if anything else. Maybe when those in control — or just people in general — stop assuming that only certain people will go see certain movies we will see less inequity in roles to portray...as long as you get off your ass and support the shit you wanna watch, however remote, expensive or hard it is to access. And if there's nothing you can find to support or watch, then you make something if you got the moxie. That's what Jessica Yu, Grace Lee, Eric Koyanagi, Alice Wu, Chi Moui Lo did. I supported their films and they weren't even marketed to me (with a possible exception of "Catfish.")

Now...since Blacks are 10%-12% of the U.S. at best...and Asians are arguably less than that, I'm sure you won't technically hate me if I don't join up in your pity party for you not being able to play doctor on TV and win at spelling bees in movies since, by the numbers, no one's really "there" to justify representing? Not like White people are? Riiight. I personally don't believe in looking at life that way, but...you gave me numbers and numbers don't lie, yey? I can't really speak for spelling bee movies as they're a typical low-return regardless who's playing the lead character...maybe if they had the Black spelling bee winner go on a rampage after seeing his/her mother get shot after leaving the auditorium (in the 'hood, natch) from a stray bullet during a driveby, you'd believe in it more? Sky's the limit and the imagination's a stretch...

...and I swear I see more Blacks playing interns and casualty victims rather than being bonafide Marcus Welbys and Quincy M.E.s running those hospital dramas, but a job's a job in the end and hey...I don't watch TV shows as they hold very little interest for me personally, so I'm out of the loop there and in being so, defer to your mighty wisdom in such matters, my Golden friend. :wink:

[Golden Monkey]

Well, not really...none of that bitterness campaigning or frustration projecting has nothing to do with me...I was just answering YOU and YOU ALONE. Since you had a problem with being a "person of color."

Sorry, nobody in the real world calls themselves "people of color" that's insane.

And your people do not see themselves as the same as Koreans or Mexicans or Pakistanis whether you want to admit that or not.

It's all good, though, call yourself what you want to, it's your right and it's the beauty of living here.

Thanks for the permission but it's not only a right for Americans, it's true all over the world. People have their own highly developed sense of identity based on nationality, ethnicity, language and culture. They don't lump them selves into the category "people of color" anymore than they do "darkies", "mud people", "colored people" or any othe ridiculous ahistorical term.

There's no hating Whitey with me, just recognizing the real deal when it comes to representation of images, the quality of them and who signs off on the bottom line. That's what I was saying to you. We both have different eyes on the world here. Like I said, let's agree to disagree.

Well, you are wrong. And it's not about "different eyes". Your statements are false, objectively so.

On making Asian movies that Blacks won't go see...hey, you make a good movie period, you give it fair to above average advertising and put it in theaters where people can go see it, we'll go see it.

I don't know when you got the authority to speak for what all blacks will do in some hypothetical future but it's pretty obvious to me based on actual black behavior and speech that blacks want black images and representations not just any race non-White. Why do you need to pretend that isn't true. Asians simply want the same thing. Big shock right.

Now...since Blacks are 10%-12% of the U.S. at best...and Asians are arguably less than that, I'm sure you won't technically hate me if I don't join up in your pity party for you not being able to play doctor on TV and win at spelling bees in movies since,

Excuse me, you are the black male coming to an Asian website looking to have a pity party over the mistreatment of "men of color" in the White Devil's media. I'm not the one seeking support, you are. I'm simply pointing out, endlessly, that it is inappropriate to lump all non-White people into a "people of color" category for the purposes of discussing media and race.

I then supported my point by showing the extreme disparity between black male media representaion and the near totally non-existent Asian male representation. Even though the black to Asian ratio in America is 3 or 4 to 1 the media disparity is far more extreme. I think, unlike you, most people reading my comments and not responding to this thread agree with me.

...maybe if they had the Black spelling bee winner go on a rampage after seeing his/her mother get shot after leaving the auditorium (in the 'hood, natch) from a stray bullet during a driveby, you'd believe in it more?

No, I'm just noticing what you as a black visitor to an Asian website refuse to notice. Another movie with black representation in an area where Asians are prominent in real life. My point is it was not a "person of color" in the lead girl/family it was a black.

That's what you and other blacks liked most about it. Fine. My point is don't pass this off to me as being the same thing as a movie with an Asian lead. It's not.

...and I swear I see more Blacks playing interns and casualty victims rather than being bonafide Marcus Welbys and Quincy M.E.s running those hospital dramas,

Yeah, that's the problem. You only see what you want to see that serves your hate-whitey-help-join-me-asian-guys game.

Ever heard of St Elsewhere, ER, Gray's Anatomy? Same story - prominent black males presence, no Asian males. And this is about the MEDICAL profession in America, not basketball or rap.

Speaking of basketball, Yao Ming has never been viewed as a person of color. He is viewed as Asian, a "chinaman", a chinese or worse. Nobody black considers him a "brother".

My point ultimately in this thread is not so much to complain about lack of Asian media representation. I am criticising implications made by you, a black male, that there is a monolithic entity called "men of color" who are being underrepresented in the media.

I made my point clear in the above posts.

[Irezumi Kiss]

Oh fine. You win. I'm wrong and you're right. Happy?

When I see you in the mixed Asian/Black queue for "Rush Hour 3" next summer, we'll just have to hug it out, you non-colored-personed-non-doctor-represented-spelling-bee-winning-Asian-male beeyotch, you.

[deez nuts]

Yeah, that's the problem. You only see what you want to see that serves your hate-whitey-help-join-me-asian-guys game.

very true. a lot of our black members are guilty of the above.

Ever heard of St Elsewhere, ER, Gray's Anatomy? Same story - prominent black males presence, no Asian males. And this is about the MEDICAL profession in America, not basketball or rap.

and don't forget how the female asian doctor is paired up with the male black doctor on these shows. the pairing is great for porn. however, it's not a realistic depiction of the medical profession where 1)you're more likely to see an asian male doctor with an asian female doctor partner and 2)i'm sure the stats will support me though i've never bothered to look it up so prove me wrong otherwise: there are more asian male doctors than there are black male doctors. but, it's just television and not reality. i would rather have more male asian doctors in the real world than on television.




Speaking of basketball, Yao Ming has never been viewed as a person of color. He is viewed as Asian, a "chinaman", a chinese or worse. Nobody black considers him a "brother".

don't forget how the blacks put him down too when he first came into the league. like shaq making ching chong sounds and barkley saying he'll kiss a donkey's ass if he ever score over 20 points or something like that.

karma for you golden monkey.

[Irezumi Kiss]

very true. a lot of our black members are guilty of the above.
Quiet as kept, but it's all part of our Whitey-Hating Black Male master plan to seduce you Bitter Asian Mens to the "dark side" of the Force. Anakin Whiteboy couldn't resist and neither will y'all. Just wait. We'll get you yet. :tongue:

[deez nuts]

Quiet as kept, but it's all part of our Whitey-Hating Black Male master plan to seduce you Bitter Asian Mens to the "dark side" of the Force. Anakin Whiteboy couldn't resist and neither will y'all. Just wait. We'll get you yet. :tongue:


as far as i'm concerned, whites and blacks are the evil empires. like i said before, the only time the white man and the black man work together is to kill the yellow man.

[Irezumi Kiss]

like i said before, the only time the white man and the black man work together is to kill the yellow man.
Except when they all make porn and "come together." :wink:

[deez nuts]

Except when they all make porn and "come together." :wink:

you got it, bruce leroy. that's high quality entertainment.