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BeTheReds
11-20-2002, 08:34 PM
Always open season on Americans in the Korean media
Korean popular culture has always been for Korean eyes only. The foreign media carry very few stories on Korean pop music, movies and television shows. Americans in Seoul have their Star TV, AFKN and high speed Internet connections and are only vaguely aware of what happens on the Korean channels.

While not very cultrally adventurous, this state of affairs is probably a good thing, as Americans would not be able to stomach a week of Korean television given its bigotry and sharp anti-American bent.

I have the misfortune of understanding Korean. I got to hear a KBS newscaster snipe just a few hours after terrorists flew hijacked planes into the World Trade Center towers on September 11th, "And this is the same country that suspended the code sharing of Korea Air for its lack of safety."

I was shocked by Korea's outrage at Jay Leno's crack that Kim Dong-song was so angry after his disqualification in Salt Lake that he went home and kicked his dog and ate it. Koreans are relentless in making nasty and tasteless jokes about Americans. When Leno returned the favor, I expected nothing more than a simple, "Touche!"

But instead Koreans practically were organizing lynch mobs. A foriegn reader of the JoongAng Ilbo wrote a letter to editor reminding Koreans that in their top-rated family drama one character is refered to as "whitey" and "foreign bastard" because he has "sullied himself" by making friends with several foreigners. The reader pointed out that the characters who cast the epithets are not cast as villians, but rather as well-meaning friends of the "odd" American-loving Korean.

One of the more shocking and severe bastions of anti-Americanism in the Korean media is in of all places on the local equivalents of MTV. In fact, in Korean music these days, you are nobody until you have made a really nasty America-bashing video.

Mind you, the videos never take issue with American policies, say Nogun-ri reparations or trade disputes, but rather play on the worst racial and cultural stereotypes of Americans.

Foreigners in Korea have reported shock and outrage over the latest video of S.E.S., Korea's top girl band, in which "arrogant" Americans are fed to dogs, ridden like horses and beaten and thrown off buildings.

But the most shocking thing about the video is that it is mild compared to others that have proceeded it.

Take for instance the latest video by the soft rock band 4U. The plot is simple. A really handsome Korean man is driving across America with his collection of model airplanes. He meets a beautiful Korean woman who is enthralled by his airplanes.

But alas, the Korean women is married to an abusive white American man who beats her for smiling. The American man is bald, old and ugly. After much weeping and tugging at heartstrings, however, the Korean man rescues the Korean women and they drive off into the sunset together.

This video appears to have been inspired by the epic video "I Love You" by the ballad singer who calls himself Position.

In this video, which also created a stir on expat web sites in Korea last year, white Americans are constanly tormenting the three innocent Korean protagonists. One kind Korean boy gets shoved down a glacier by a gang of white American snowboarders and is nearly killed. Another Korean man is beaten by an American cowboy several times. And the female character is date-raped and beaten by her suave American boyfriend after she refuses to have sex with him.

This video has a happy ending too: the Korean being bullied by the cowboy rams into him with his car and kills him.

And the anti-American hits just keep on coming. In a video by rapper Yoo Sueng-joon, an innocent Korean is gunned down by the LAPD and Yoo himself takes out several police officers along away. Guess who are the villians? Hint: Don't bet on the cops.

Many Korean videos would be more offensive if they weren't so funny. One famous Korean epic video is about a nice Korean-American boy who is shanghied in LA and forced to join a gang of African-American and Hispanic bycycle thieves. All of the members in the gang were old enough to drive, but stick with bikes, I guess, out of their commitment to the environment.

My point in harping on these sick videos is simple: Those who tell you that anti-Americanism in Korea is a political phenomenon that springs solely from the "sins" of American foreign policy are either incredibly naive or they are trying to keep a very ugly secret from you.

Anyone who takes the time to wade through Korean pop culture will find that anti-Americanism here is mostly about overblown stereotypes, racist fear mongering and insecurities about Korean women dating "big-nosed foreign bastards." Or maybe, and this is really scary, it is just cool.

VV o n g B a
11-20-2002, 08:52 PM
hmm... just goes to show... it almost never pays to be in the minority. *sigh* :(

Hiroshi2
11-20-2002, 09:17 PM
You know what it's hard for me to feel sympathy for america in this case. Because it's not like america isn't anti-asian or anti-korean. It's not unprovoked. america is not perfect, we're guility of the same thing at some point (or actually many points in time). If that weren't the case, then you wouldn't hear about asians ranting about racism on sites like this one.

It's like when some kid keeps teasing and bullying another kid and then wonders why he gets an ass-whooping later on when he least expects it....or in the absolute worse-case scenarios, brings a knife or gun to school.

I don't know about anyone else, but i was taught at a very young age......you can provoke people all you want, and they may not respond immediately or at all. But at some point you'll piss off the wrong person, and you'll get it bad. Moral of the lesson: don't start nothin', won't be nothin'.

An eye for an eye, and so on.

VV o n g B a
11-20-2002, 10:56 PM
Originally posted by Hiroshi2@Nov 21 2002, 05:17 AM
You know what it's hard for me to feel sympathy for america in this case. Because it's not like america isn't anti-asian or anti-korean. It's not unprovoked. america is not perfect, we're guility of the same thing at some point (or actually many points in time). If that weren't the case, then you wouldn't hear about asians ranting about racism on sites like this one.

It's like when some kid keeps teasing and bullying another kid and then wonders why he gets an ass-whooping later on when he least expects it....or in the absolute worse-case scenarios, brings a knife or gun to school.

I don't know about anyone else, but i was taught at a very young age......you can provoke people all you want, and they may not respond immediately or at all. But at some point you'll piss off the wrong person, and you'll get it bad. Moral of the lesson: don't start nothin', won't be nothin'.

An eye for an eye, and so on.
i understand the feeling, but there is still something here called right and wrong. and racism is wrong. what are we striving for if not for the end of stuff like this?

if retribution is needed, then aim it at those that deserve it in america, not at the tiny percentage living in korea that have little to do with american media. eye for an eye, but at least make sure u hit the right eye. :ph34r:

otherwise, all thats left is an exercise in boosting your self-esteem.

SunWuKong
11-21-2002, 08:14 AM
oh shit, i never knew about this stuff.

hey BeTheReds, did you write that article?

ChinaLama
11-21-2002, 08:30 AM
ehhh well i'm not IN Korea so the anti-Americanism doesn't touch any personal nerves. But, hey, whatever, what can anyone expect? the WORLD is anti-American...and there's not much we can do about it.

Anyway, no one who claims there's racism IN america ever said anywhere else is better. Just more reason to feel good for living in the US of A. And more reason to tell ppl who hate America, "do you REALLY think things are better in other countries?"

BTW something IS wrong w/ Korea if S.E.S. is still the top girl group. :huh:

angel nympho
11-21-2002, 08:34 AM
Originally posted by Hiroshi2@Nov 21 2002, 05:17 AM
You know what it's hard for me to feel sympathy for america in this case. Because it's not like america isn't anti-asian or anti-korean. It's not unprovoked. america is not perfect, we're guility of the same thing at some point (or actually many points in time). If that weren't the case, then you wouldn't hear about asians ranting about racism on sites like this one.

It's like when some kid keeps teasing and bullying another kid and then wonders why he gets an ass-whooping later on when he least expects it....or in the absolute worse-case scenarios, brings a knife or gun to school.

I don't know about anyone else, but i was taught at a very young age......you can provoke people all you want, and they may not respond immediately or at all. But at some point you'll piss off the wrong person, and you'll get it bad. Moral of the lesson: don't start nothin', won't be nothin'.

An eye for an eye, and so on.
Yeah, but how can you condone that and get so upset when somebody makes a COSTUME that looks sorta Asian? At least in American media, we don't kill foreigners and feed them to dogs.

SunWuKong
11-21-2002, 09:06 AM
Originally posted by ChinaLama@Nov 21 2002, 11:30 AM
Anyway, no one who claims there's racism IN america ever said anywhere else is better. Just more reason to feel good for living in the US of A. And more reason to tell ppl who hate America, "do you REALLY think things are better in other countries?"
but i think the point is that anti-americanism is so accepted in korea that it's found its way to popular culture. i mean when something gets into popular culture, it becomes a fact of everyday norm. i don't see anti-americanism in popular culture in chinese speaking places in asia. i don't know about japan or southeast asian countries.

Mr T
11-21-2002, 09:08 AM
Originally posted by BeTheReds@Nov 21 2002, 04:34 AM



Take for instance the latest video by the soft rock band 4U.
Ouch, I did'nt know that Koreans were that racist and open about it too. If anything of the sort had happended like that in Western countries then there'd be a public outrage.

Anywayz, that 4U band sure sounds like that Irish band U2 Damn, talk about being hypocritical -- hate on westerners (American) and take on a name similar to one of the most famous bands in the world. Yeah, how original!!

BeTheReds
11-21-2002, 03:51 PM
No I didn't write the article, I think it was written by a Korean-American living in Korea. I got it off a webpage yesterday when I was searching for info about the tank accident. I'll try to find it again.

The reason I posted it is because all the people who say the media has nothing to do with racism can clearly see how it does when the roles are reversed.

But it is also hypocritical to see this as ok. That's what my view on it.

Tho I'd have to say that the Korean media is far worse.

BeTheReds
11-21-2002, 04:00 PM
http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/uglykorea/

It's by someone named Ben Eller a white American in Korea. He has a whole website criticizing anti-Americanism. I think his articles are very interesting. But I seriously doubt the whole population is like that.

I wonder what it will be like when I go there. I havent been post 9-11

antimattah
11-21-2002, 04:09 PM
I'd like to say thanks for posting that because I was unaware of this.

Hiroshi2
11-23-2002, 01:26 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Nov 21 2002, 08:34 AM
Originally posted by Hiroshi2@Nov 21 2002, 05:17 AM
You know what it's hard for me to feel sympathy for america in this case. Because it's not like america isn't anti-asian or anti-korean. It's not unprovoked. america is not perfect, we're guility of the same thing at some point (or actually many points in time). If that weren't the case, then you wouldn't hear about asians ranting about racism on sites like this one.

It's like when some kid keeps teasing and bullying another kid and then wonders why he gets an ass-whooping later on when he least expects it....or in the absolute worse-case scenarios, brings a knife or gun to school.

I don't know about anyone else, but i was taught at a very young age......you can provoke people all you want, and they may not respond immediately or at all. But at some point you'll piss off the wrong person, and you'll get it bad. Moral of the lesson: don't start nothin', won't be nothin'.

An eye for an eye, and so on.
Yeah, but how can you condone that and get so upset when somebody makes a COSTUME that looks sorta Asian? At least in American media, we don't kill foreigners and feed them to dogs.
No, instead we club people to death who look foreign, and then the judges of our oh-so-great judicial system let them get away with it. (Vincent Chin)

There have been so many incidents involving Arabs and even people who aren't arab but look arab that have been harrassed after 9/11 that i can't begin to name them all.

I think racism is part of popular american culture, it's just very discreet and definitely not obvious like it is in korea.

Green_Circle
11-23-2002, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by BeTheReds@Nov 21 2002, 11:51 PM
No I didn't write the article, I think it was written by a Korean-American living in Korea. I got it off a webpage yesterday when I was searching for info about the tank accident. I'll try to find it again.

The reason I posted it is because all the people who say the media has nothing to do with racism can clearly see how it does when the roles are reversed.

But it is also hypocritical to see this as ok. That's what my view on it.

Tho I'd have to say that the Korean media is far worse.
I doubt that Koreans per se are actually racist otherwise they wouldn't have the allies there protecting them in the first place. On top of that many Korean women like to date and marry these soldiers. I think it's just that the media have become savvy in selling papers by fanning push button emotions. It's all about the money, that's all.

amietron
11-23-2002, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by Hiroshi2@Nov 23 2002, 01:26 PM
I think racism is part of popular american culture, it's just very discreet and definitely not obvious like it is in Korea.
Yeah. People have problems with being called "racist," even if they have racist views. They manipulate their words to seem liberal and loving of all, but in reality it's not like that. They just don't want to seem like the bad guy.

Friend says "OMG, fucking asshole! WTF are you doing? I wonder what ethnicity he was. Fucking Mexicans!" Proceeds to complain about how many of them come to the US illegally, tax money, how they lower the educational standards, and test scores of CA, etc. She doesn't call herself racist because we have 1 Mexican friend from middle school and she doesn't hate ALL of them, just most of em.

There's a lot of racism at school, even if it's just to poke fun. Mockery of the way Middle Eastern people speak with their accents. Talk about how poor a lot of Mexican people are, how they smell and eat beans..

The world is racist and there's not much you can do to stop it.

angel nympho
11-23-2002, 05:12 PM
Originally posted by Hiroshi2@Nov 23 2002, 09:26 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Nov 21 2002, 08:34 AM
Originally posted by Hiroshi2@Nov 21 2002, 05:17 AM
You know what it's hard for me to feel sympathy for america in this case. Because it's not like america isn't anti-asian or anti-korean. It's not unprovoked. america is not perfect, we're guility of the same thing at some point (or actually many points in time). If that weren't the case, then you wouldn't hear about asians ranting about racism on sites like this one.

It's like when some kid keeps teasing and bullying another kid and then wonders why he gets an ass-whooping later on when he least expects it....or in the absolute worse-case scenarios, brings a knife or gun to school.

I don't know about anyone else, but i was taught at a very young age......you can provoke people all you want, and they may not respond immediately or at all. But at some point you'll piss off the wrong person, and you'll get it bad. Moral of the lesson: don't start nothin', won't be nothin'.

An eye for an eye, and so on.
Yeah, but how can you condone that and get so upset when somebody makes a COSTUME that looks sorta Asian? At least in American media, we don't kill foreigners and feed them to dogs.
No, instead we club people to death who look foreign, and then the judges of our oh-so-great judicial system let them get away with it. (Vincent Chin)

There have been so many incidents involving Arabs and even people who aren't arab but look arab that have been harrassed after 9/11 that i can't begin to name them all.

I think racism is part of popular american culture, it's just very discreet and definitely not obvious like it is in korea.
Yes, but OUR media doesn't ENCOURAGE it.