Ironic

[BeTheReds]

Most people agree that Spider-Man is cool and many people complain that Marvel Comics or the American comic industry does not make enough Asian heroes.

This is all speculative so I don't want anyone to take this the wrong way, but if Peter Parker had instead been Peter Park, would the idea of a nerdy Asian teen in NY getting bitten by a radioactive Spider and escaping his non-existant social life by putting on a mask and becoming Spider-Man and fighting crime while still excelling at school and taking care of his elderly aunt be seen as not stereotypical and a positive image of Asians?

First I know people would complain about Peter Park not getting the White girls and being a nerd as a super stereotypical image.

Then people would complain that when he turns into spidey that he covers up his Asian-ness, thus showing that it is something that he has to hide in order to be taken seriously as a super hero.

Meanwhile when his elderly Aunt Mei crashes her car, or gets sick or put in the hospital, which happened all the time, people would complain that the comic reinforces stereotypes that asian women cant drive or old Asian ladies are weak.

An artist might make the slight mistake of drawing the eyes a little too chinky and then people will say they are being stereotypical again. (see how they draw psylocke in some x-men issues)

I think this is a good example that shows that some people would never be pleased. An Asian character is hard to write into a story without offending anyone because he's on a pedestal that represents ALL asians.

It also shows that white people stereotype themselves, but no one ever thinks all whites are like that.

I think Asian-Spidey would have been cool personally, especially since his origin was in the 60's, and that's when lots of politically correct token black superhereos started appearing.

[Uncle Tat]

Haha you should draw a comic based on this...pretty amusing idea. I mean they had a Peter Porker "The Adventures of Spider-HAM"...why not a Peter Park.

But yeah it would be ironic for the reasons you mentioned. :blink:

[ChinaLama]

hmm actually, i WISH there were an Asian comic book hero. I mean all these kids grew up thinking white ppl and the occasional black person is cool cuz they're superheroes...but Asians? we don't even count enough to be superVILLAINS most of the time. :(

But I think w/ the way the 60s worked, when Asian Americans were still largely invisible in the eyes of mainstream America, and when the AA movement was dominated by Chinese and Japanese Americans, no one would have thought to create a Peter Park, a Korean-American character. But hey, wouldn't be a bad idea for these days. Only prob is ppl are so used to the white Spider Man now, there'd have to be a whole new superhero.

But then again, w/ the increasing popularity of anime, perhaps we can import an Asian superhero (alt so far i think most of the anime male leads in America kinda look white).

[BeTheReds]

well, there were a few asian villains in Marvel comics but they were rediculous and stupid.

Like Mandarin, a chinese guy who found some power rings in the great wall of china and became super strong and had some cool armour, spoke with an accent and had sumos and ninjas as his henchmen.

Radioactive man was a chinese Dr. Chen Luu who somehow was trying to help china make nukes but made himself radioactive.

Wolverine had his fare share of stereotypical Japanese adventures

Spidey fought with some asian gangsters in chinatown in one comic i have.. of course he was trying to defend his asian classmate from college who was trying to get out of the gang.

But seriously tho, I think spider-man would have still been popular if he were asian, because when he's spidey, no one would know. It would bring a whole new interesting concept to the secret identity thing. And Mr. Jameson the media boss who hates spidey could be shown expecting peter to be a diligent hard worker because he is asian, all the while trying to reveal spidey's identity by searching for a white man. It would have been good to go against stereotypes too, or at least to expose them.

Damn, I should copywrite this shit.

[Hanuman]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Nov 20 2002, 02:41 AM
well, there were a few asian villains in Marvel comics but they were rediculous and stupid.

Like Mandarin, a chinese guy who found some power rings in the great wall of china and became super strong and had some cool armour, spoke with an accent and had sumos and ninjas as his henchmen.

Radioactive man was a chinese Dr. Chen Luu who somehow was trying to help china make nukes but made himself radioactive.

Wolverine had his fare share of stereotypical Japanese adventures

Spidey fought with some asian gangsters in chinatown in one comic i have.. of course he was trying to defend his asian classmate from college who was trying to get out of the gang.

But seriously tho, I think spider-man would have still been popular if he were asian, because when he's spidey, no one would know. It would bring a whole new interesting concept to the secret identity thing. And Mr. Jameson the media boss who hates spidey could be shown expecting peter to be a diligent hard worker because he is asian, all the while trying to reveal spidey's identity by searching for a white man. It would have been good to go against stereotypes too, or at least to expose them.

Damn, I should copywrite this shit.
Yeah this is good stuff!

There are a few other comic book heroes that are Asian -
Jubilee of the X-men
Sunfire (japanese dude in Marvel who has similar powers to firestar)
Some Kung Fu dude, Iron fist I think was his name, but that comic sucked.
You had snake-eyes of GI Joe and his brother an evil Ninja.
In DC you had that samurai dude who could make his legs turn into wind.

Some more baddies -
Lady deathstrike
Silver samurai
Shredder from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

But we definately need more cool ones!

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by ChinaLama@Nov 20 2002, 02:28 AM
hmm actually, i WISH there were an Asian comic book hero. I mean all these kids grew up thinking white ppl and the occasional black person is cool cuz they're superheroes...but Asians? we don't even count enough to be superVILLAINS most of the time. :(

But I think w/ the way the 60s worked, when Asian Americans were still largely invisible in the eyes of mainstream America, and when the AA movement was dominated by Chinese and Japanese Americans, no one would have thought to create a Peter Park, a Korean-American character. But hey, wouldn't be a bad idea for these days. Only prob is ppl are so used to the white Spider Man now, there'd have to be a whole new superhero.

But then again, w/ the increasing popularity of anime, perhaps we can import an Asian superhero (alt so far i think most of the anime male leads in America kinda look white).
actually there are some asian super heros. and Sunfire (Japanese) of the X-Men was actually around in the... i believe 60s. but possibly came out in the 70s.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Nov 20 2002, 02:18 AM
Most people agree that Spider-Man is cool and many people complain that Marvel Comics or the American comic industry does not make enough Asian heroes.

This is all speculative so I don't want anyone to take this the wrong way, but if Peter Parker had instead been Peter Park, would the idea of a nerdy Asian teen in NY getting bitten by a radioactive Spider and escaping his non-existant social life by putting on a mask and becoming Spider-Man and fighting crime while still excelling at school and taking care of his elderly aunt be seen as not stereotypical and a positive image of Asians?

First I know people would complain about Peter Park not getting the White girls and being a nerd as a super stereotypical image.

Then people would complain that when he turns into spidey that he covers up his Asian-ness, thus showing that it is something that he has to hide in order to be taken seriously as a super hero.

Meanwhile when his elderly Aunt Mei crashes her car, or gets sick or put in the hospital, which happened all the time, people would complain that the comic reinforces stereotypes that asian women cant drive or old Asian ladies are weak.

An artist might make the slight mistake of drawing the eyes a little too chinky and then people will say they are being stereotypical again. (see how they draw psylocke in some x-men issues)

I think this is a good example that shows that some people would never be pleased. An Asian character is hard to write into a story without offending anyone because he's on a pedestal that represents ALL asians.

It also shows that white people stereotype themselves, but no one ever thinks all whites are like that.

I think Asian-Spidey would have been cool personally, especially since his origin was in the 60's, and that's when lots of politically correct token black superhereos started appearing.
which is all the more reason that there needs to be alot more Asian characters, so that if an Asian character comes out, he/she is not going to be held as the representative of all things Asian.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by Tawee@Nov 20 2002, 07:08 AM
There are a few other comic book heroes that are Asian -
Jubilee of the X-men
Sunfire (japanese dude in Marvel who has similar powers to firestar)
Some Kung Fu dude, Iron fist I think was his name, but that comic sucked.
You had snake-eyes of GI Joe and his brother an evil Ninja.
In DC you had that samurai dude who could make his legs turn into wind.
the kungfu dude's name is Iron Fist.
and you forgot Psylocke! (who used to be British but is now Japanese)

[enygma]

whoa, there was an article in "a" about asian-american superheroes. since this was from last year's issue, my memory isn't so clear on this, but there are a few asian-american superheroes. actually, they're superheroines. i guess males are still too threatening. the only one that i can remember right now, is the new batgirl. apparently, she's hapa. the biggest complaint, however, was that the asian heroines didn't really look asian.

[seryb]

Originally posted by Tawee@Nov 20 2002, 04:08 AM

You had snake-eyes of GI Joe and his brother an evil Ninja.

I have a quibble with you there. Both Snake-Eyes and Stormshadow were white. Snake-Eyes is actually blond and blue-eyed when he takes off his mask! Quickkick was Asian, but he always needed to be rescued. Kinda lame.

[wylin]

dude japanese super heros rock they can kill any american one

people like akira toriyama's
- Son Goku and Son Gohan/ Goten, Videl, master roshi, kirin. those dragon ball ppl can give most super heroes a monster ass whooping.
- Ken and Rau from fist of the northstar killer kung fu
- Priss and the rest of the knight sabers from keichi sonada's bubble gum criss
- Gainax's Evangellion unit 01 and shinji ikari
- Get Backers manga and anime its a super heroe show that takes place in modern day japan
- himura kenshin, hajime saito, shishio, etc give most ppl including batman a major ass kicking
- Tetsuya from akira

list goes on.

[ChinaLama]

Originally posted by wylin@Nov 20 2002, 04:44 PM
dude japanese super heros rock they can kill any american one

people like akira toriyama's
- Son Goku and Son Gohan/ Goten, Videl, master roshi, kirin. those dragon ball ppl can give most super heroes a monster ass whooping.
- Ken and Rau from fist of the northstar killer kung fu
- Priss and the rest of the knight sabers from keichi sonada's bubble gum criss
- Gainax's Evangellion unit 01 and shinji ikari
- Get Backers manga and anime its a super heroe show that takes place in modern day japan
- himura kenshin, hajime saito, shishio, etc give most ppl including batman a major ass kicking
- Tetsuya from akira

list goes on.
yeah, i always maintained Goku can kick Superman's ass, but that's until I found out Superman's actually really really strong in the comics. He's just so damn WIMPIFIED in the cartoons that it looks like Goku at the BEGINNING of dbz could easily kick his ass. But given Superman's true strength, I'm not sure when DBZ Goku would reach Superman's strength. Certainly in pure DESTRUCTIVE power, Goku LONG surpassed Superman's power on Namek, but I don't know about brute strength. Maybe never?

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Nov 20 2002, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by BeTheReds@Nov 20 2002, 02:18 AM
Most people agree that Spider-Man is cool and many people complain that Marvel Comics or the American comic industry does not make enough Asian heroes.

This is all speculative so I don't want anyone to take this the wrong way, but if Peter Parker had instead been Peter Park, would the idea of a nerdy Asian teen in NY getting bitten by a radioactive Spider and escaping his non-existant social life by putting on a mask and becoming Spider-Man and fighting crime while still excelling at school and taking care of his elderly aunt be seen as not stereotypical and a positive image of Asians?

First I know people would complain about Peter Park not getting the White girls and being a nerd as a super stereotypical image.

Then people would complain that when he turns into spidey that he covers up his Asian-ness, thus showing that it is something that he has to hide in order to be taken seriously as a super hero.

Meanwhile when his elderly Aunt Mei crashes her car, or gets sick or put in the hospital, which happened all the time, people would complain that the comic reinforces stereotypes that asian women cant drive or old Asian ladies are weak.

An artist might make the slight mistake of drawing the eyes a little too chinky and then people will say they are being stereotypical again. (see how they draw psylocke in some x-men issues)

I think this is a good example that shows that some people would never be pleased.  An Asian character is hard to write into a story without offending anyone because he's on a pedestal that represents ALL asians.  

It also shows that white people stereotype themselves, but no one ever thinks all whites are like that.

I think Asian-Spidey would have been cool personally, especially since his origin was in the 60's, and that's when lots of politically correct token black superhereos started appearing.
which is all the more reason that there needs to be alot more Asian characters, so that if an Asian character comes out, he/she is not going to be held as the representative of all things Asian.
I think his point was that while the makers of the comic book wouldn't intend ANYTHING to be representative of being "Asian," the community would interpret it that way and get offended by things that otherwise were meant to be just parts of the story.

[kitty]

Originally posted by ChinaLama@Nov 20 2002, 05:39 PM
Originally posted by wylin@Nov 20 2002, 04:44 PM
dude japanese super heros rock they can kill any american one

people like akira toriyama's
- Son Goku and Son Gohan/ Goten, Videl, master roshi, kirin. those dragon ball ppl can give most super heroes a monster ass whooping.
- Ken and Rau from fist of the northstar killer kung fu
- Priss and the rest of the knight sabers from keichi sonada's bubble gum criss
- Gainax's Evangellion unit 01 and shinji ikari
- Get Backers manga and anime its a super heroe show that takes place in modern day japan
- himura kenshin, hajime saito, shishio, etc give most ppl including batman a major ass kicking
- Tetsuya from akira

list goes on.
yeah, i always maintained Goku can kick Superman's ass, but that's until I found out Superman's actually really really strong in the comics. He's just so damn WIMPIFIED in the cartoons that it looks like Goku at the BEGINNING of dbz could easily kick his ass. But given Superman's true strength, I'm not sure when DBZ Goku would reach Superman's strength. Certainly in pure DESTRUCTIVE power, Goku LONG surpassed Superman's power on Namek, but I don't know about brute strength. Maybe never?
Superman is getting weaker in the comic, ever since doomsday kicked his butt... he gets whooped a lot now.

As far as AA superheroes/villains:
Lady Shiva is a powerful martial arts/assassin in DC, who taught Batman stuff after Bane broke his back.

And the new Batgirl is Asian (i think.... she looks asian anyways).

[Hito]

Originally posted by wylin@Nov 20 2002, 09:44 AM
- Priss and the rest of the knight sabers from keichi sonada's bubble gum criss

I always thougth The knight sabers are white folks with japanese names...

Actualy i have always wondered why a lot of the protagonists in anime were aglo but had japanese names?
Like in Macross, Gatchiman and BGC.

[Hito]

Iron Fist was a white dude Danny Rand who learned to be badd ass in another dmension that looked like imperial china.
His major ability was to focus his chi into hisright fist "making it unto like a thing of iron"
He teamed up with Luke Cage (powerman) And formed the detective agency called Heroes for Hire.
Power Man & Iron Fist was my facorite comic book for a long time.
Especialy during the chris claremont years.


Master of Kung fu was an asian dude kinda patterned off of Bruce Lee.
People always wondered who would wind in a fight between him and iron fist.

[kimchee63]

Wasn't Spiderman's creator (Stan Lee) an Asian American?

-Kimchee

[wylin]

Originally posted by Hito@Nov 20 2002, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by wylin@Nov 20 2002, 09:44 AM
- Priss and the rest of the knight sabers from keichi sonada's bubble gum criss

I always thougth The knight sabers are white folks with japanese names...

Actualy i have always wondered why a lot of the protagonists in anime were aglo but had japanese names?
Like in Macross, Gatchiman and BGC.
some are some arent but they live in japan and speak japanese and sing in japanese Lina Kanzaki is definitely japanese. Nene and Priss is debatable, and silvia is a boomer so shez nothing(implied in orginal series, and expanded on in new series).

Hikaru is definitely japanese as is Misa Hayase i think ur confusing robotechs characterization instead of macrosses.

[wylin]

Originally posted by kimchee63@Nov 20 2002, 10:17 AM
Wasn't Spiderman's creator (Stan Lee) an Asian American?

-Kimchee
no hez whiter then white can be. he created spider man, dare devil, the xmen, avengers, and fantastic four.

your thinking Jim lee from image comic and now wildstorm doing a stint on batman. Along with Andy Park from tomb raider, and dream wave comics candian cantonese staff.

[Hito]

Hikaru and Misa both looked anglo to me.
the only Macross character i ever saw who didnt look anglo was Claudia who was black and Britai who looked like a giant middle eastern dude.
Mebby in the "This is animation" books it reveals there ethnicity but by eyeball they look like white folks.


And in BGC there were some genom dudes who looked unmistakably japanese but everyone else in that series look like anglos to me as well.
Thi in there case i could see that they might be mixed since that is lkind of a theme in the cyberpunk genera.
And in Blade runner which bgc was based on.
It even carries over into batman beyond.

[Shuriken]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Nov 20 2002, 03:34 PM
the kungfu dude's name is Iron Fist.
I stopped collecting comics back in the 1970s, so my knowledge of this topic may be dated. However, the kung fu superhero Iron Fist was not Asian.

Marvel first came out with Shang-Chi, Master of Kung Fu, whose title character was the son of Fu Manchu and a white woman (god forbid that he should be fully Asian, of course!). This title was an obvious effort to cash in on the success of the Kung Fu TV series. Shang-Chi was such a hit that Marvel followed it up with a white kung fu hero, Iron Fist. Another Marvel kung fu series, one that ran in their black & white magazine The Deadly Hands of Kung Fu, was "Sons of the Tiger," which featured a team of three men — one Asian, one white, and one black — obviously inspired by Enter the Dragon. But this was all back in the '70s.

Another prominent Asian character from Marvel at the time was Jimmy Woo, a supporting secret-agent character in Nick Fury, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. Although he was basically a sidekick, Jimmy Woo was the first Asian comic-book character I remember who was portrayed as an acculturated American good guy, rather than a foreign villain like the Mandarin or the Yellow Claw (two Marvel bad guys). The downside was that S.H.I.E.L.D.'s arch enemy was the Yellow Claw, so the series seemed to be a little anti-Asian. Jimmy Woo was probably added to give balance to the stories.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Nov 20 2002, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Nov 20 2002, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by BeTheReds@Nov 20 2002, 02:18 AM
Most people agree that Spider-Man is cool and many people complain that Marvel Comics or the American comic industry does not make enough Asian heroes.

This is all speculative so I don't want anyone to take this the wrong way, but if Peter Parker had instead been Peter Park, would the idea of a nerdy Asian teen in NY getting bitten by a radioactive Spider and escaping his non-existant social life by putting on a mask and becoming Spider-Man and fighting crime while still excelling at school and taking care of his elderly aunt be seen as not stereotypical and a positive image of Asians?

First I know people would complain about Peter Park not getting the White girls and being a nerd as a super stereotypical image.

Then people would complain that when he turns into spidey that he covers up his Asian-ness, thus showing that it is something that he has to hide in order to be taken seriously as a super hero.

Meanwhile when his elderly Aunt Mei crashes her car, or gets sick or put in the hospital, which happened all the time, people would complain that the comic reinforces stereotypes that asian women cant drive or old Asian ladies are weak.

An artist might make the slight mistake of drawing the eyes a little too chinky and then people will say they are being stereotypical again. (see how they draw psylocke in some x-men issues)

I think this is a good example that shows that some people would never be pleased. An Asian character is hard to write into a story without offending anyone because he's on a pedestal that represents ALL asians.

It also shows that white people stereotype themselves, but no one ever thinks all whites are like that.

I think Asian-Spidey would have been cool personally, especially since his origin was in the 60's, and that's when lots of politically correct token black superhereos started appearing.
which is all the more reason that there needs to be alot more Asian characters, so that if an Asian character comes out, he/she is not going to be held as the representative of all things Asian.
I think his point was that while the makers of the comic book wouldn't intend ANYTHING to be representative of being "Asian," the community would interpret it that way and get offended by things that otherwise were meant to be just parts of the story.
yeah i know. i was just saying how this problem could be remedied. :)

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by Hito@Nov 20 2002, 01:16 PM
Iron Fist was a white dude Danny Rand who learned to be badd ass in another dmension that looked like imperial china.
His major ability was to focus his chi into hisright fist "making it unto like a thing of iron"
He teamed up with Luke Cage (powerman) And formed the detective agency called Heroes for Hire.
Power Man & Iron Fist was my facorite comic book for a long time.
Especialy during the chris claremont years.


Master of Kung fu was an asian dude kinda patterned off of Bruce Lee.
People always wondered who would wind in a fight between him and iron fist.
oops, yes you're right. iron fist is white.

what a stupid name... Master of Kung Fu

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by wylin@Nov 20 2002, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by kimchee63@Nov 20 2002, 10:17 AM
Wasn't Spiderman's creator (Stan Lee) an Asian American?

-Kimchee
no hez whiter then white can be. he created spider man, dare devil, the xmen, avengers, and fantastic four.
don't forget the Hulk.

[wylin]

well sun it is being remedied with the resurgence of asian american and canadian artists. Pat Lee, Jim lee, andy park, jeff matushita, kia asamiya (imported from japan), and the current trend to toward manga and manga look comics.

tho i think to me non of the super heroe stuff holds a bone to Initial D manga! or my all time favorite artist and designer of the macross TV characters YAZ (venus wars, gundam the orgin, etc). Or master of mecha drawing mamoru nagono of five star stories.

[wylin]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Nov 20 2002, 10:39 AM
Originally posted by wylin@Nov 20 2002, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by kimchee63@Nov 20 2002, 10:17 AM
Wasn't Spiderman's creator (Stan Lee) an Asian American?

-Kimchee
no hez whiter then white can be. he created spider man, dare devil, the xmen, avengers, and fantastic four.
don't forget the Hulk.
yah stan lee ran marvel till very recently and its his vision that created the marvel way of comic booking production that was very editor biased and directed.

[enygma]

Originally posted by kittygirl@Nov 20 2002, 09:55 AM
And the new Batgirl is Asian (i think.... she looks asian anyways).
she is. half-white, half-chinese.

[Shuriken]

Also in the 1970s, there was a small contingent of Filipino artists like Ernie Reyes and Alfredo Alcala working for D.C. There's some trivia for you. I wonder if they're still active.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by wylin@Nov 20 2002, 01:41 PM
well sun it is being remedied with the resurgence of asian american and canadian artists. Pat Lee, Jim lee, andy park, jeff matushita, kia asamiya (imported from japan), and the current trend to toward manga and manga look comics.

tho i think to me non of the super heroe stuff holds a bone to Initial D manga! or my all time favorite artist and designer of the macross TV characters YAZ (venus wars, gundam the orgin, etc). Or master of mecha drawing mamoru nagono of five star stories.
but what's up with those dudes? i don't see any asian characters coming out of them except for the occasional asian female for comic geeks to drool over, which non-asian creators would write in anyway.

[wylin]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Nov 20 2002, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by wylin@Nov 20 2002, 01:41 PM
well sun it is being remedied with the resurgence of asian american and canadian artists. Pat Lee, Jim lee, andy park, jeff matushita, kia asamiya (imported from japan), and the current trend to toward manga and manga look comics.  

tho i think to me non of the super heroe stuff holds a bone to Initial D manga! or my all time favorite artist and designer of the macross TV characters YAZ (venus wars, gundam the orgin, etc). Or master of mecha drawing mamoru nagono of five star stories.
but what's up with those dudes? i don't see any asian characters coming out of them except for the occasional asian female for comic geeks to drool over, which non-asian creators would write in anyway.
check out dream wave comics they have lots of asian characters and its done by asian canadians. its a studio owned by pat lee and supported by hasbro. Jim lee's studio has alota varied ethnic stuff also....like whilice portacio's stormwatch.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by wylin@Nov 20 2002, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Nov 20 2002, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by wylin@Nov 20 2002, 01:41 PM
well sun it is being remedied with the resurgence of asian american and canadian artists. Pat Lee, Jim lee, andy park, jeff matushita, kia asamiya (imported from japan), and the current trend to toward manga and manga look comics.

tho i think to me non of the super heroe stuff holds a bone to Initial D manga! or my all time favorite artist and designer of the macross TV characters YAZ (venus wars, gundam the orgin, etc). Or master of mecha drawing mamoru nagono of five star stories.
but what's up with those dudes? i don't see any asian characters coming out of them except for the occasional asian female for comic geeks to drool over, which non-asian creators would write in anyway.
check out dream wave comics they have lots of asian characters and its done by asian canadians. its a studio owned by pat lee and supported by hasbro. Jim lee's studio has alota varied ethnic stuff also....like whilice portacio's stormwatch.
alright. actually i haven't been following comics much in the past few years. it's so expensive. not to mention that i was in HK for 2 years and couldn't find american comics there.

[Fireblade]

I recall Kabuki and Shi being some asian ladies in america comics. As for the whole asian males stuff.........

I really can't find any.

but who cares. Dark Horse has been good to me with Blade of the Immortal. I'm sorry, but I love this story more so than Kenshin ever did for me.

And isn't DBZ all about wanting to be white? ya know, the yellow hair, the blue eyes... the superiority thing? (I know I'm gonna get flamed for this)

I'm for D-Boy from Tekkaman Blade. He rocks.

[Fireblade]

dang.... I forgot about Jubilee...

Seems alright for an asian-american character, but I don't like how they seemed to make her defenseless... oooh fireworks.... LAME.

[kitty]

Originally posted by enygma@Nov 20 2002, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by kittygirl@Nov 20 2002, 09:55 AM
And the new Batgirl is Asian (i think.... she looks asian anyways).
she is. half-white, half-chinese.
She is? whoah... I didn't know that...

[kitty]

Originally posted by Fireblade@Nov 20 2002, 08:30 PM
I recall Kabuki and Shi being some asian ladies in america comics. As for the whole asian males stuff.........

I really can't find any.

but who cares. Dark Horse has been good to me with Blade of the Immortal. I'm sorry, but I love this story more so than Kenshin ever did for me.

And isn't DBZ all about wanting to be white? ya know, the yellow hair, the blue eyes... the superiority thing? (I know I'm gonna get flamed for this)

I'm for D-Boy from Tekkaman Blade. He rocks.
Blade of the Immortal ROCKS! Blood... death... violence... great artwork... what more could you want?

[kitty]

Originally posted by Fireblade@Nov 20 2002, 08:35 PM
dang.... I forgot about Jubilee...

Seems alright for an asian-american character, but I don't like how they seemed to make her defenseless... oooh fireworks.... LAME.
<cliched Marvel moment>
They say that Jubilee and Synch would be the strongest mutants of Generation X if they ever learned to fully unleash their powers.
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[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by kittygirl@Nov 20 2002, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by Fireblade@Nov 20 2002, 08:35 PM
dang.... I forgot about Jubilee...

Seems alright for an asian-american character, but I don't like how they seemed to make her defenseless... oooh fireworks.... LAME.
<cliched Marvel moment>
They say that Jubilee and Synch would be the strongest mutants of Generation X if they ever learned to fully unleash their powers.
</>
isn't Synch dead?

yeah there's all this BS about how Jubilee self-imposed a subconscious block on her own powers so she wouldn't hurt anybody. so supposedly she can blast a second a-hole in somebody if she commands her full potential.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by Fireblade@Nov 20 2002, 03:30 PM
I recall Kabuki and Shi being some asian ladies in america comics.
never read Shi. sounds cool as an english name. the english word "death" sounds cool as a name. but thinking in terms of chinese, someone named Shi, that's just plain cheesy.

but Kabuki is some cool shit. each page is a painting. all of David Mack's asiaphilia is forgiven because his comic kicks ass.

[kitty]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Nov 20 2002, 09:58 PM
Originally posted by kittygirl@Nov 20 2002, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by Fireblade@Nov 20 2002, 08:35 PM
dang.... I forgot about Jubilee...

Seems alright for an asian-american character, but I don't like how they seemed to make her defenseless... oooh fireworks.... LAME.
<cliched Marvel moment>
They say that Jubilee and Synch would be the strongest mutants of Generation X if they ever learned to fully unleash their powers.
</>
isn't Synch dead?

yeah there's all this BS about how Jubilee self-imposed a subconscious block on her own powers so she wouldn't hurt anybody. so supposedly she can blast a second a-hole in somebody if she commands her full potential.
NOOOOO!!!!! Are you serious?!? NOOOOOOO!!!! Synch can't be dead!!!!
*I so take comics too seriously*

And it seems like there are more Asians in the independent comic people, like Shi.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by kittygirl@Nov 20 2002, 05:09 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Nov 20 2002, 09:58 PM
Originally posted by kittygirl@Nov 20 2002, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by Fireblade@Nov 20 2002, 08:35 PM
dang.... I forgot about Jubilee...

Seems alright for an asian-american character, but I don't like how they seemed to make her defenseless... oooh fireworks.... LAME.
<cliched Marvel moment>
They say that Jubilee and Synch would be the strongest mutants of Generation X if they ever learned to fully unleash their powers.
</>
isn't Synch dead?

yeah there's all this BS about how Jubilee self-imposed a subconscious block on her own powers so she wouldn't hurt anybody. so supposedly she can blast a second a-hole in somebody if she commands her full potential.
NOOOOO!!!!! Are you serious?!? NOOOOOOO!!!! Synch can't be dead!!!!
*I so take comics too seriously*

And it seems like there are more Asians in the independent comic people, like Shi.
well i haven't been following comics for the last couple of years. so unless they brought him back from the dead - which is not an unusual thing - he's been dead for the last few years.

[SunWuKong]

by the way, i'm moving this to arts & entertainment...

[Uncle Tat]

The only problem with all the female Asian comicbook characters in Marvel or DC is that they were all white cock gobblers. I mean EVERY single one of them was drooling over a white man. Basically the objects of desire for the typical white asianphile comicbook nerd.

Can't blame them though, the typical comic book reader is an underweight or overweight white boi nerd :P
I honestly don't know that many Asians aside from myself that currently or read comics while growing up.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by Uncle Tat@Nov 20 2002, 05:16 PM
The only problem with all the female Asian comicbook characters in Marvel or DC is that they were all white cock gobblers. I mean EVERY single one of them was drooling over a white man. Basically the objects of desire for the typical white asianphile comicbook nerd.

Can't blame them though, the typical comic book reader is an underweight or overweight white boi nerd :P
I honestly don't know that many Asians aside from myself that currently or read comics while growing up.
*raises hand*

but HH is the only good looking female i know that read comics growing up.

[kitty]

Originally posted by Uncle Tat@Nov 20 2002, 10:16 PM


Can't blame them though, the typical comic book reader is an underweight or overweight white boi nerd :P
I honestly don't know that many Asians aside from myself that currently or read comics while growing up.
HEY! I am neither white nor male!!!

nerd... on the other hand.... :lol:

[kitty]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Nov 20 2002, 10:13 PM

well i haven't been following comics for the last couple of years. so unless they brought him back from the dead - which is not an unusual thing - he's been dead for the last few years.
Figures... the one cool black male character in Marvel, and they go and kill him.
*officially pissed*

And as far as the Asian female characters... there aren't exactly that many minority characters in general for them to after....

[Uncle Tat]

Originally posted by kittygirl@Nov 20 2002, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Nov 20 2002, 10:13 PM

well i haven't been following comics for the last couple of years. &nbsp;so unless they brought him back from the dead - which is not an unusual thing - he's been dead for the last few years.
Figures... the one cool black male character in Marvel, and they go and kill him.
*officially pissed*

And as far as the Asian female characters... there aren't exactly that many minority characters in general for them to after....
We all know that they created those Asian comicbook characters to be the objects of desire of asianphile white boi nerds :P

What about Powerman? He was in a don't do drugs comic when I was in school...lol. Storm is pretty cool too and she's black.

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by kimchee63@Nov 20 2002, 06:17 PM
Wasn't Spiderman's creator (Stan Lee) an Asian American?

-Kimchee
Stan Lee is a Jew.

His name is Stanley Leiberman.

There are plenty of white people with the name Lee.

But as far as making comics goes, Stan Lee is a genius.

[kitty]

Originally posted by Uncle Tat@Nov 20 2002, 10:42 PM

We all know that they created those Asian comicbook characters to be the objects of desire of asianphile white boi nerds :P

What about Powerman? He was in a don't do drugs comic when I was in school...lol. Storm is pretty cool too and she's black.
Power-who? :lol:

Yeah... storm rocks... she could kick major comic butt (even wonder woman... and WW is in desperate need of a good ass-kicking)

I just liked Synch... he was the only interesting character in GenX, and he had Rogue powers without Rogue emotional baggage.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Nov 20 2002, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Nov 20 2002, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Nov 20 2002, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by BeTheReds@Nov 20 2002, 02:18 AM
Most people agree that Spider-Man is cool and many people complain that Marvel Comics or the American comic industry does not make enough Asian heroes.

This is all speculative so I don't want anyone to take this the wrong way, but if Peter Parker had instead been Peter Park, would the idea of a nerdy Asian teen in NY getting bitten by a radioactive Spider and escaping his non-existant social life by putting on a mask and becoming Spider-Man and fighting crime while still excelling at school and taking care of his elderly aunt be seen as not stereotypical and a positive image of Asians?

First I know people would complain about Peter Park not getting the White girls and being a nerd as a super stereotypical image.

Then people would complain that when he turns into spidey that he covers up his Asian-ness, thus showing that it is something that he has to hide in order to be taken seriously as a super hero.

Meanwhile when his elderly Aunt Mei crashes her car, or gets sick or put in the hospital, which happened all the time, people would complain that the comic reinforces stereotypes that asian women cant drive or old Asian ladies are weak.

An artist might make the slight mistake of drawing the eyes a little too chinky and then people will say they are being stereotypical again. (see how they draw psylocke in some x-men issues)

I think this is a good example that shows that some people would never be pleased. An Asian character is hard to write into a story without offending anyone because he's on a pedestal that represents ALL asians.

It also shows that white people stereotype themselves, but no one ever thinks all whites are like that.

I think Asian-Spidey would have been cool personally, especially since his origin was in the 60's, and that's when lots of politically correct token black superhereos started appearing.
which is all the more reason that there needs to be alot more Asian characters, so that if an Asian character comes out, he/she is not going to be held as the representative of all things Asian.
I think his point was that while the makers of the comic book wouldn't intend ANYTHING to be representative of being "Asian," the community would interpret it that way and get offended by things that otherwise were meant to be just parts of the story.
yeah i know. i was just saying how this problem could be remedied. :)
I don't think that would work, though!

I mean, don't you think that if they treid to make an Asian superhero with just a few things that are representative of Asian culture, Asians would be like "FIGURES, he'd eat with chopsticks" or some shit like that? I think Asians want to see Asian characters NOT acting all stereotypically Asian... but sometimes when they DO see that, they think it's retarded to have an Asian character acting so "white."

Maybe this is was BeTheReds means by some people being impossible to please. 'Course, this is all speculative, too.

[ChinaLama]

yeah, i think angel hit the nail on the head.

but i also think it's more fun to talk about comic book characters and hence hijack BTR's original purpose rather than drag into yet another discussion revolving around whether we're too PC or not PC enough. If we wanted to do that, this could go in rant room. :)

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by kittygirl@Nov 20 2002, 08:44 PM
Originally posted by Uncle Tat@Nov 20 2002, 10:42 PM

We all know that they created those Asian comicbook characters to be the objects of desire of asianphile white boi nerds :P

What about Powerman? He was in a don't do drugs comic when I was in school...lol. Storm is pretty cool too and she's black.
Power-who? :lol:

Yeah... storm rocks... she could kick major comic butt (even wonder woman... and WW is in desperate need of a good ass-kicking)

I just liked Synch... he was the only interesting character in GenX, and he had Rogue powers without Rogue emotional baggage.
well no. he couldn't knock people out with skin-to-skin touch. that's a great power. :)

my favorite Gen-X character is M. she's way cooler than Synch. second favorite is jono.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Nov 20 2002, 08:47 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Nov 20 2002, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Nov 20 2002, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Nov 20 2002, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by BeTheReds@Nov 20 2002, 02:18 AM
Most people agree that Spider-Man is cool and many people complain that Marvel Comics or the American comic industry does not make enough Asian heroes.

This is all speculative so I don't want anyone to take this the wrong way, but if Peter Parker had instead been Peter Park, would the idea of a nerdy Asian teen in NY getting bitten by a radioactive Spider and escaping his non-existant social life by putting on a mask and becoming Spider-Man and fighting crime while still excelling at school and taking care of his elderly aunt be seen as not stereotypical and a positive image of Asians?

First I know people would complain about Peter Park not getting the White girls and being a nerd as a super stereotypical image.

Then people would complain that when he turns into spidey that he covers up his Asian-ness, thus showing that it is something that he has to hide in order to be taken seriously as a super hero.

Meanwhile when his elderly Aunt Mei crashes her car, or gets sick or put in the hospital, which happened all the time, people would complain that the comic reinforces stereotypes that asian women cant drive or old Asian ladies are weak.

An artist might make the slight mistake of drawing the eyes a little too chinky and then people will say they are being stereotypical again. (see how they draw psylocke in some x-men issues)

I think this is a good example that shows that some people would never be pleased. An Asian character is hard to write into a story without offending anyone because he's on a pedestal that represents ALL asians.

It also shows that white people stereotype themselves, but no one ever thinks all whites are like that.

I think Asian-Spidey would have been cool personally, especially since his origin was in the 60's, and that's when lots of politically correct token black superhereos started appearing.
which is all the more reason that there needs to be alot more Asian characters, so that if an Asian character comes out, he/she is not going to be held as the representative of all things Asian.
I think his point was that while the makers of the comic book wouldn't intend ANYTHING to be representative of being "Asian," the community would interpret it that way and get offended by things that otherwise were meant to be just parts of the story.
yeah i know. i was just saying how this problem could be remedied. :)
I don't think that would work, though!

I mean, don't you think that if they treid to make an Asian superhero with just a few things that are representative of Asian culture, Asians would be like "FIGURES, he'd eat with chopsticks" or some shit like that? I think Asians want to see Asian characters NOT acting all stereotypically Asian... but sometimes when they DO see that, they think it's retarded to have an Asian character acting so "white."

Maybe this is was BeTheReds means by some people being impossible to please. 'Course, this is all speculative, too.
well, that's if the asian market will have a strong enough negative effect on the comic world. most asian nerds identify with being nerdy more than being asian anyway. they'd be creating asian male characters for white people to read. the more they create, the less the asian readers will complain about stereotyping.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by ChinaLama@Nov 20 2002, 08:48 PM
yeah, i think angel hit the nail on the head.

but i also think it's more fun to talk about comic book characters and hence hijack BTR's original purpose rather than drag into yet another discussion revolving around whether we're too PC or not PC enough. If we wanted to do that, this could go in rant room. :)
yup that's why we're in A&E :)

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by ChinaLama@Nov 21 2002, 01:48 AM
yeah, i think angel hit the nail on the head.

but i also think it's more fun to talk about comic book characters and hence hijack BTR's original purpose rather than drag into yet another discussion revolving around whether we're too PC or not PC enough. If we wanted to do that, this could go in rant room. :)
It was in the rant room until people started talking about comics and not my original hypothetical situation.

So can I hijack my thread back and talk about Asian spidey some more?

Would he still be trying to get with White supermodel Mary Jane Watson or blond cutie Gwen Stacy, or would we introduce an Asian love interest?

Either is okay, but if he has an Asian love interest people will say that it is still objectifying Asian women as sex objects.

Meanwhile if he is attracted to White ladies then people will say that the writers are trying to alert White guys that the Yellow man is trying to take his women, and this might cause a backlash.


Would his enemies who figured out who he was react any differently because he was Asian (Eddie Brock, AKA Venom for one was jealous of Peter's success in getting photos.. he could be seen reacting like.. fuckin hardworking asians making life hard for me...)?

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Nov 20 2002, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by ChinaLama@Nov 21 2002, 01:48 AM
yeah, i think angel hit the nail on the head.

but i also think it's more fun to talk about comic book characters and hence hijack BTR's original purpose rather than drag into yet another discussion revolving around whether we're too PC or not PC enough. If we wanted to do that, this could go in rant room. :)
It was in the rant room until people started talking about comics and not my original hypothetical situation.

So can I hijack my thread back and talk about Asian spidey some more?

Would he still be trying to get with White supermodel Mary Jane Watson or blond cutie Gwen Stacy, or would we introduce an Asian love interest?

Either is okay, but if he has an Asian love interest people will say that it is still objectifying Asian women as sex objects.

Meanwhile if he is attracted to White ladies then people will say that the writers are trying to alert White guys that the Yellow man is trying to take his women, and this might cause a backlash.


Would his enemies who figured out who he was react any differently because he was Asian (Eddie Brock, AKA Venom for one was jealous of Peter's success in getting photos.. he could be seen reacting like.. fuckin hardworking asians making life hard for me...)?
oh man, sorry, but i really can't think of comics hand in hand with controversial topics. i just go into geek override.

but overrall, i don't think the comic industry care too much about the issues surrounding mainstream media. it cares about what nerds think. and i don't think nerds would have minded if spidey was asian.

[BeTheReds]

Right, but if he was, then TV shows, Movies, and Cartoons would also have shown an Asian Spidey and that's where kids know him from. And kids who get positive or negative images of certain people at young ages start to form opinions early on that shape their outlook of the world.

[kitty]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Nov 21 2002, 02:19 AM


I just liked Synch... he was the only interesting character in GenX, and he had Rogue powers without Rogue emotional baggage.
well no. he couldn't knock people out with skin-to-skin touch. that's a great power. :)

my favorite Gen-X character is M. she's way cooler than Synch. second favorite is jono.
I guess, but Synch didn't have to be skin-to-skin to do it, and theoretically he could synch with anything around him, including objects, or control other people's powers through them (I read this somewhere, not in the comic, so I don't know if it's true). Besides, his personality was way cooler. He totally had a great sense of humour.

What was M? What was her power? What was the whole twin thing? First she's just superstrong like Caitlin Fairchild... then... she's two little girls... wtf?

*wooo... geek overdrive*

[kitty]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Nov 21 2002, 02:32 AM
Originally posted by ChinaLama@Nov 21 2002, 01:48 AM
yeah, i think angel hit the nail on the head.

but i also think it's more fun to talk about comic book characters and hence hijack BTR's original purpose rather than drag into yet another discussion revolving around whether we're too PC or not PC enough. If we wanted to do that, this could go in rant room. :)
It was in the rant room until people started talking about comics and not my original hypothetical situation.

So can I hijack my thread back and talk about Asian spidey some more?

Would he still be trying to get with White supermodel Mary Jane Watson or blond cutie Gwen Stacy, or would we introduce an Asian love interest?

Either is okay, but if he has an Asian love interest people will say that it is still objectifying Asian women as sex objects.

Meanwhile if he is attracted to White ladies then people will say that the writers are trying to alert White guys that the Yellow man is trying to take his women, and this might cause a backlash.


Would his enemies who figured out who he was react any differently because he was Asian (Eddie Brock, AKA Venom for one was jealous of Peter's success in getting photos.. he could be seen reacting like.. fuckin hardworking asians making life hard for me...)?
Nah, but if he had an Asian gf, then everyone would complain that the comic people were too scared to show an interracial couple. (like when they only couple minority characters together in movies so you never see an interracial husband and wife)

And if we're talking Ultimate Spidey, Peter Park(er) should go for Gwen Stacy anyways. (she looks really good now!)

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by kittygirl@Nov 20 2002, 10:24 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Nov 21 2002, 02:19 AM


I just liked Synch... he was the only interesting character in GenX, and he had Rogue powers without Rogue emotional baggage.
well no. he couldn't knock people out with skin-to-skin touch. that's a great power. :)

my favorite Gen-X character is M. she's way cooler than Synch. second favorite is jono.
I guess, but Synch didn't have to be skin-to-skin to do it, and theoretically he could synch with anything around him, including objects, or control other people's powers through them (I read this somewhere, not in the comic, so I don't know if it's true). Besides, his personality was way cooler. He totally had a great sense of humour.

What was M? What was her power? What was the whole twin thing? First she's just superstrong like Caitlin Fairchild... then... she's two little girls... wtf?

*wooo... geek overdrive*
M is like freaking superwoman, with telepathy. :)
but yeah she's got problems. i don't really understand the whole twins thing. that was around the time i stopped collecting.

[kitty]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Nov 21 2002, 03:26 AM
Originally posted by kittygirl@Nov 20 2002, 10:24 PM

What was M? What was her power? What was the whole twin thing? First she's just superstrong like Caitlin Fairchild... then... she's two little girls... wtf?

*wooo... geek overdrive*
M is like freaking superwoman, with telepathy. :)
but yeah she's got problems. i don't really understand the whole twins thing. that was around the time i stopped collecting.
She has telepathy? Why was everybody in GenX SO confused?!?

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by kittygirl@Nov 20 2002, 10:35 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Nov 21 2002, 03:26 AM
Originally posted by kittygirl@Nov 20 2002, 10:24 PM

What was M? What was her power? What was the whole twin thing? First she's just superstrong like Caitlin Fairchild... then... she's two little girls... wtf?

*wooo... geek overdrive*
M is like freaking superwoman, with telepathy. :)
but yeah she's got problems. i don't really understand the whole twins thing. that was around the time i stopped collecting.
She has telepathy? Why was everybody in GenX SO confused?!?
because she was so secretive
but i think now she isn't

[kitty]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Nov 21 2002, 03:38 AM
Originally posted by kittygirl@Nov 20 2002, 10:35 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Nov 21 2002, 03:26 AM
Originally posted by kittygirl@Nov 20 2002, 10:24 PM

What was M? What was her power? What was the whole twin thing? First she's just superstrong like Caitlin Fairchild... then... she's two little girls... wtf?

*wooo... geek overdrive*
M is like freaking superwoman, with telepathy. :)
but yeah she's got problems. i don't really understand the whole twins thing. that was around the time i stopped collecting.
She has telepathy? Why was everybody in GenX SO confused?!?
because she was so secretive
but i think now she isn't
so.... confusing....

This is why I only read DC now. (and ultimate spidey). marvel pretty much sucks.

[Uncle Tat]

Wow people actually read GenX? I thought the whole X-men storyline got pretty lame after the Onslaught series.

I mean how many X- teams are there now?

X-Men gold
X-Men blue
X-Factor
Gen-X
?

Which was the team with Cable, Domino, Shatterstar, blah blah blah....?

[Fireblade]

Ok, generally speaking...

most comic fan-boys and girls are less bigoted than most. This is because most comicbooks are now read by kids who are outsiders and such. Sorry to say so, but this is my observation. So in a general stance, asian characters protrayed in a way that isn't sterotypical wouldn't have much of an impact, because these kids know better.

So having an asian Spiderman would probably work.... if he wasn't so overtly exposed to the media. Shows, movies, video-games....? It might work now, but to have Peter Park in the 60s would have been different. There's no way he could have been accepted widely by comic book fans from long ago.

One reason why I've stopped collecting comics in general (or at least reading the mainstream stuff) is because a lot of the stories tend to become b.s. Spawn was good for a while, and now it's.... I dunno, I haven't followed in such a long time. But I was glad that there was a nice spin on things, that he was a black vet who was killed for what he knows. (Sorry, memory is fuzzy on details). Shadowhawk was also a VERY GOOD example of racial issues that Image tried to portray. He too was a black person, trying to deal with racisim.

But the issues that we deal with, will seem too cliche for the producers and investors for the comic. Asian man dealing with inter-racial issues, etc, etc. It'd just be another black v.s. white thing, but instead of a black person, it'd be an asian. And the writers and artists will have to potray sterotypical views of asians, because the backers might think it's not "asian" enough.

Gah, I've gone overly geek here... Anyway, that's why I've mainly been reading stuff that isn't so mainstream. DC Vertigo comics like Sandman and Preacher are very good. Dark Horse comics have been trying to import japanese manga here for years.

Anyway, it's like 12:44am here, and I really dunno what the hell I just wrote. If you want, just past by this post. :blink:

[BeTheReds]

Well sometime in the late 90's they had a new world of superheros spring up in marvel where they were modernized and drawn by image artists. Some of them even had their origins redone.

While I am not specifically calling for an end to Peter Parker and a rewrite of Spider-Man, because I think that comic has been so great and would have been regardless of his race, I think it at least deserves a What if... issue.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Nov 21 2002, 10:39 PM
Well sometime in the late 90's they had a new world of superheros spring up in marvel where they were modernized and drawn by image artists. &nbsp;Some of them even had their origins redone.

While I am not specifically calling for an end to Peter Parker and a rewrite of Spider-Man, because I think that comic has been so great and would have been regardless of his race, I think it at least deserves a What if... issue.
what?

What If Peter Parker was Asian?

eh... comic geeks just don't care that much about race.

by the way, What If...? was cancelled many years ago. unless they've recently revived it.

[BeTheReds]

Oh, I didnt know it was cancelled.

I used to love that series.

I havent been into comics for a while tho...

[DaBestSpooner]

Originally posted by seryb@Nov 20 2002, 11:33 AM
Originally posted by Tawee@Nov 20 2002, 04:08 AM

You had snake-eyes of GI Joe and his brother an evil Ninja.

I have a quibble with you there. Both Snake-Eyes and Stormshadow were white. Snake-Eyes is actually blond and blue-eyed when he takes off his mask! Quickkick was Asian, but he always needed to be rescued. Kinda lame.
no storm shadow was japanese american

[DaBestSpooner]

nobody mentioned:

blood sword dynasty
storm riders

too bad the movies sucked

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Nov 22 2002, 03:56 AM
eh... comic geeks just don't care that much about race.
And the rest of us do?