One Child Policy

[flyingable]

By using the phrase "children of baby boomers" the article hints to the western readers that they are also large in number, while the truth is they are half the number of their parents. History has never seen so few babies in that country. The government failed to provide enough jobs to a generation that's just half of the size of their parents', what a whopping failure!

[SunWuKong]

By using the phrase "children of baby boomers" the article hints to the western readers that they are also large in number, while the truth is they are half the number of their parents. History has never seen so few babies in that country. The government failed to provide enough jobs to a generation that's just half of the size of their parents', what a whopping failure!

ok... you do realise that the article was taken from China Daily, right?

and if you actually took the time to read the article... you'll realise that the unemployment problem is not caused by people entering the job market alone. they number 9 million, but 13 million will be without jobs because of restructuring, and another 3 million are rural people moving into the cities.

and where did you get that the size of the current job market entrant generation is exactly half the size that of their parents'?

[flyingable]

To cope with this problem the government should reverse birth control thus create more needs, instead of blaming the disaster on miserable "children of baby boomers" and actually making things worse. I am just sick of how propaganda machines project the guilt of an incompetent government on innocent people so readily and blatantly.

[SunWuKong]

To cope with this problem the government should reverse birth control thus create more needs, instead of blaming the disaster on miserable "children of baby boomers" and actually making things worse. I am just sick of how propaganda machines project the guilt of an incompetent government on innocent people so readily and blatantly.

i really have no idea what the hell you're talking about. i'd like to introduce to you something called the Industrial Revolution. it enabled production to surpass a one-on-one ratio, where the production of one person can meet the needs of many people. and it is not domestic needs that drives the Chinese economy. it is foreign needs. hi, welcome to the post-Cultural Revolution, "opened up", China. it has become a manufacturing giant for markets all over the world.

[flyingable]

In every society that works out, even in the times of so called "industual revolution", the production of one person SHOULDN'T meet the needs of many people, otherwise a huge unemployment rate is justified. Idealy, it still should be on a one to one base. Every honest leader is working towards that goal. Human being's needs can not be reduced to just food, sheltering and reproduction. Human being's needs can never and shall never be satisfied, that's the very driving force of our society.

So, the domestic needs could have driven Chinese economy more than it does so that China doesn't have to rely on exportation so heavily, creating huge deficits on lots of countries, becoming No. 1 scapegoat of global industrial refrastructure, and largely the source of China bashing that all of us are suffering from. Exclusively relying on overseas market is not a healthy economy, at least not so for countries like China with gigantic manufacturing abilities. Simply put it this way: if everyone is selling, who is buying? However, birth control has throttled the natural growth of domestic market of China, making it more and more dependant on international market, and in a sense more and more aggressive/desperate competing in global job market. By destroying the productive organs of its own women, China has not only deprived its own people of potential jobs, but also is depriving people of other countries jobs as well. In the age of globalization, the pain of a huge fast shrinking domestic market is shared by the whole world.

You might be asking, hey, I don't see no shrinking domestic market in China, on the contrary, the market is growing at a breakneck speed! True, the enonomy in China is growing, largely thanks to what you call industralization on one hand, and the fortune collected from exploiting overseas market on the other. However, to overcome the essentially shrinking domestic market, people have to double the above mentioned efforts to make the economy keep growing. The government in China has even commercialized educational and healthcare sections of economy that were oncd free to stimulate domestic needs, creating millions of people who can not afford out of school, or without heathcare. To cover the miserable failure of its inability to meet the essential needs of its own people, the communist government of China is breaking every promise it made to its people, and when it is doing that, these very people are getting less and less...

i really have no idea what the hell you're talking about. i'd like to introduce to you something called the Industrial Revolution. it enabled production to surpass a one-on-one ratio, where the production of one person can meet the needs of many people. and it is not domestic needs that drives the Chinese economy. it is foreign needs. hi, welcome to the post-Cultural Revolution, "opened up", China. it has become a manufacturing giant for markets all over the world.

[SunWuKong]

i don't even know where to begin in reply. basically, you're so incredibly out of your mind if you think population size corresponds to the size of a market. look at the US, it's got the highest GDP in the world and it's far from the most populous. it's not that China needs more people. it's that Chinese people's buying power needs to increase. and that's not going to happen with an increase in population because more people means cheaper labour for everybody.

[flyingable]

... it's not that China needs more people. it's that Chinese people's buying power needs to increase...

I have never said population size matches its purchasing power. What I have said is, you cannot increase purchasing power by cutting population size which is exactly what the government of China is doing. The direct impact of cutting population size is not increasing purchasing power but decreasing it.

and that's not going to happen with an increase in population because more people means cheaper labour for everybody

Throughout human history, there has been being a steady growth of population accompanied by a steady growth of wealth owned per-capita. What makes you believe more people means cheaper labour thus less money for everybody? In a system that works out, it shouldn't be so. Do you want people to believe that, the Chinese are sacrificing the growth of their own people to bring up the everage salary of others? Are we essentially drags?

Could it be that, the reason that you don't know what to reply is you are confused, being caught between logics and plausible propaganda? The government wants you to believe that, in the awareness of global environmental problems, the Chinese are elegantly castrating their women in order to "save" resources for other people. What a courtsey indeed. This is plain and simple, birth control policy is a cover-up of a failure. Once again, the people are blamed for the atrocity done to them. Instead of being fed with enough food, they are told: you are promiscuously over-productive and subject to cut.

[SunWuKong]

I have never said population size matches its purchasing power. What I have said is, you cannot increase purchasing power by cutting population size which is exactly what the government of China is doing. The direct impact of cutting population size is not increasing purchasing power but decreasing it.

what? purchasing power in China has actually been increasing. in case you didn't notice, China's GDP recently overtook the UK to be the fourth largest GDP in the world, and all this with a decreasing population growth. of course, what's more important here is per-capita GDP.

but the point of population control in China is that the country can't possibly feed everybody if not for the One Child Policy. there would be starving people in China today if population growth had not been checked.





Throughout human history, there has been being a steady growth of population accompanied by a steady growth of wealth owned per-capita. What makes you believe more people means cheaper labour thus less money for everybody? In a system that works out, it shouldn't be so. Do you want people to believe that, the Chinese are sacrificing the growth of their own people to bring up the everage salary of others?

because like i said, more people does not mean higher purchasing power. there's not enough resources to meet everybody's needs. and in the developing rural areas in China, more people just means more people just means more poor people. a person's existence doesn't create a market. a person's per-capita GDP creates a market.

and no, a steady growth of population does not mean a steady growth of wealth owned per-capita. poor African nations is a good example of this. the growth of wealth owned per-capita in developed nations is caused by decreased production costs and higher education.

[flyingable]

China reformed their laws in the 90s, writing birth-control into - constitution! No kidding it's still there. I am telling you this is a self-destroying nation. Sparkles of political interests are stamped. The youth have nowhere to vent their enthusiasm. Frustrated, most are cynic, some have become racists against foreigners.

China has to reform their LAWS and Management. They can't let their own family members to keep running the government.
China has created a generation of children whose parents are corrupted and making their younger generation, decadent, lazy and not creative.

[SunWuKong]

you are absolutely the first Chinese person i know that thinks China doesn't need population control.

[flyingable]

what? purchasing power in China has actually been increasing. in case you didn't notice, China's GDP recently overtook the UK to be the fourth largest GDP in the world, and all this with a decreasing population growth. of course, what's more important here is per-capita GDP.

but the point of population control in China is that the country can't possibly feed everybody if not for the One Child Policy. there would be starving people in China today if population growth had not been checked.

Sir, you are running around a circle here. As I have said, the increasing of purchasing power of China is by working up the system, not by cutting population. As a matter of fact, cutting population has such a negative impact on economy that people have to sacrifice social welfare to over-come the decreasing tendancy of population.

because like i said, more people does not mean higher purchasing power. there's not enough resources to meet everybody's needs. and in the developing rural areas in China, more people just means more people just means more poor people. a person's existence doesn't create a market. a person's per-capita GDP creates a market.

and no, a steady growth of population does not mean a steady growth of wealth owned per-capita. poor African nations is a good example of this. the growth of wealth owned per-capita in developed nations is caused by decreased production costs and higher education.

More people doesn't mean more purchasing power, but less people doesn't mean more puchasing power either. There's not enough resources to meet everybody's needs because the government is incompetent. A person's existance SHOULD create a market, if it doesn't it means the system is BAD. In Africa there are more and more people and more and more poverty because the Africans fucked themselves up. So shall we destroy the productive organs of African women now?

you are absolutely the first Chinese person i know that thinks China doesn't need population control.

[SunWuKong]

Sir, you are running around a circle here. As I have said, the increasing of purchasing power of China is by working up the system, not by cutting population. As a matter of fact, cutting population has such a negative impact on economy that people have to sacrifice social welfare to over-come the decreasing tendancy of population.

ok, why don't you show me some evidence or some research that has shown this to be true.



More people doesn't mean more purchasing power, but less people doesn't mean more puchasing power either.

which basically contradicts what you said earlier:

To cope with this problem the government should reverse birth control thus create more needs

how would an increasing population growth "cope" with the problem of unemployment? having X more people doesn't automatically mean there is Y more purchasing power.

There's not enough resources to meet everybody's needs because the government is incompetent. A person's existance SHOULD create a market, if it doesn't it means the system is BAD.

um. no. no offense, but your thinking here is seriously screwed up. yes, an incompetent government can screw up economic growth and meeting a population's needs. but there's also such a thing called limited resources.

let me ask you this, how exactly should the mere existence of a person create a market?

[flyingable]

The new born babies don't compete for jobs, but they need to eat, and that creates jobs. In 20 years they need jobs but there are other babies coming, more or less in similar number. By slashing babies by 50% in every generation you are cutting jobs in every generation, this is a winging down movement, a self-genocide. The reason that the communist government broke the natural circle engaging in this race to the bottom, was it even failed to find enough resources to feed new born babies, it couldn't wait 20 years for the future of its people to grow up creating fortune. All those resources/employment/environmental bullshit, is to cover this gloomy fact. Fortunately this is no more, the economy is doing pretty well, birth-control has created numerous problems we haven't even touched here, it's time to reverse it.

In a system that works out, every each person is a market for every one else, we help each other and satisfy each other's needs. Things are not always so perfect but this is our goal. If a system turns people into garbage, burden to the society, that only consume resources with no contribution, it is the system's fault. This system doesn't now how to use its people, its very very human resources.

I don't take the credits of being first Chinese against birth control. If you read Chinese, here (http://heyafu.blogchina.com/) is a place that helps you start with. There is actually a sizzling debate all over the country now. I do believe our discussion here is based on good faith, and it does concern all of us.

[SunWuKong]

I don't take the credits of being first Chinese against birth control. If you read Chinese, here (http://heyafu.blogchina.com/) is a place that helps you start with. There is actually a sizzling debate all over the country now. I do believe our discussion here is based on good faith of both sides, and it does concern all of us.

can't read Chinese on the computer here at work. will have to wait till i get home.

but if it's basically a bunch of people who demonstrate as much of a lack of basic economics as you have, then i don't have much of an interest in reading it anyway.

[Aurutus]

There are enough food and resources for the population in china otherwise, there will be a lot of people dying of hunger right at this moment.

We can't do anything to change anything in China, but the present chinese government is pretty useless and non-progressive. If they are good with propaganda why now spend some money and time on encouraging their peoples to INVENT and CREATE JOBS. Get more industrialized and use the labour to combat the serious desertification and environmental problems. Create a better place to live and REFORM THEIR TOILETS.

The corrupted government has money to invest on renewable resources and creating new businesses and ideas. Reform their health care and human rights. Their BUSINESS LAWS are unfair and full of faults (bureaucratic). There are many bullies and gangsters ruling the streets. Gangsters and government are the same people. Yet, the nation is only interested in "Eat, Drink, Karaoke, Men and Women." They should also open up their nation to recruit much more foreign ideas and talents into their science programmes, businesses and increase the workers' income.

Another point, in the past, there were more monastries, cults and religions that encourarged people to give up their 'reproductive' activites. A lot of chinese people are brought up with a mentality of everyone should get married and have children Any childless person become a less person. This mentality has screwed many people up thinking that they must have a kid in their lives.

In the west, there are many couples who are childless and that's how they achieve zero birth rate.

[SunWuKong]

The new born babies don't compete for jobs, but they need to eat, and that creates jobs.

no. the fact that they eat do not create jobs. what creates jobs is if their parents have the money to buy them food.

In 20 years they need jobs but there are other babies coming, more or less in similar number. By slashing babies by 50% in every generation you are cutting jobs in every generation, this is a winging down movement, a self-genocide.

again, wrong. firstly because hungry babies do not create jobs, like i've mentioned above. and secondly because the pre-existing population can increase its per-capita GDP, meaning they would have more expendable income, thus increasing the domestic market and increasing the job market.

The reason that the communist government broke the natural circle engaging in this race to the bottom, was it even failed to find enough resources to feed new born babies, it couldn't wait 20 years for the future of its people to grow up creating fortune. All those resources/employment/environmental bullshit, is to cover this gloomy fact. Fortunately this is no more, the economy is doing pretty well, birth-control has created numerous problems we haven't even touched here, it's time to reverse it.

you say that as if feeding the world's most populous nation is an easy task. without population control, what population growth would have amounted to is starving people - because again, hungry babies do not make a market. hungry babies with parents who can afford to pay for food does.

In a system that works out, every each person is a market for every one else, we help each other and satisfy each other's needs.

i think i introduced the Industrial Revolution to you before. please familiarise yourself with it. production methods is efficient enough such that everybody's basic necessities can be met and there would still be a lot of unemployed people. it only takes a few person with machinery to satisfy the basic needs of many. so the needs of one is not going to create enough of a job market for just one more person. what fills the gap in between is the fact that people have expendable income and they spend money to purchase what is beyond their basic necessity.

In the west, there are many couples who are childless and that's how they achieve zero birth rate.

we are seeing this also in places like Singapore, Hong Kong, and Japan. what studies have shown is that the higher the education a couple has achieved, the less likely they are to have children.

[flyingable]

Once again I am pointing this out to you, that the parents don't have money to buy food for their babies is because they live in a failed system where the parents can not even afford food for their babies. This is so obvious why do you keep denying this? Korea started way below us but have you ever seen koreans castrated their women because they couldn't afford more babies? Have you ever seen any country, throughout human history, castrate its women because the parents cannot afford babies?

And to "feed" a large population is no easy job? You talk like a dictator. So this dictator failed to feed his own people, and he wants them to die out?

[ahsingjai]

Once again I am pointing this out to you, that the parents don't have money to buy food for their babies is because they live in a failed system where the parents can not even afford food for their babies. This is so obvious why do you keep denying this? Korea started way below us but have you ever seen koreans castrated their women because they couldn't afford more babies? Have you ever seen any country, throughout human history, castrate its women because the parents cannot afford babies?

And to "feed" a large population is no easy job? You talk like a dictator. So this dictator failed to feed his own people, and he wants them to die out?

Let's talk about now. NPC has already passed a two child policy and made sex selection abortion illegal. China has already withdrawn out of the food relief program because they can feed their own.

[flyingable]

No it hasn't, still in the constitution. This is a country that writes this into constitution man. Any change in constitution needs to be done in the national convention of NPC. Only the city of Shanghai begining this year is allowing parents who both are the single child of their own families, to have a 2nd child. Not many people are doing it though. Because like in most western countries, people don't want a lot of kids now. The dictator thinks the sex productive organs of their women are water hoses, when he wants to turn them off he can turn them off, when he wants to turn them on he can turn them on. Big joke.

Sex selective abortion has always been illegal. But one child policy has made people secretly perform selective abortion to have the only child "bear the family name". The result is for every 100 female new borns, there are 119 males. We are talking about 50 million unmatched bachelors left over in the marriage market 10 years from now. The party always talks about social stability, these guys can be very very unstable. Legalize gay marriage? Legalize prostitution first!

Let's talk about now. NPC has already passed a two child policy and made sex selection abortion illegal. China has already withdrawn out of the food relief program because they can feed their own.

[SunWuKong]

Once again I am pointing this out to you, that the parents don't have money to buy food for their babies is because they live in a failed system where the parents can not even afford food for their babies. This is so obvious why do you keep denying this? Korea started way below us but have you ever seen koreans castrated their women because they couldn't afford more babies? Have you ever seen any country, throughout human history, castrate its women because the parents cannot afford babies?

in case you haven't noticed, in the current system in which population growth is controlled, parents in China are able to afford food for their babies.

whereas your imaginary system is literally impossible because you've made some incredibly amateurish assumptions about production.

And to "feed" a large population is no easy job? You talk like a dictator. So this dictator failed to feed his own people, and he wants them to die out?

news flash. the Chinese population is in no danger of dying out.

No it hasn't, still in the constitution. This is a country that writes this into constitution man. Any change in constitution needs to be done in the national convention of NPC. Only the city of Shanghai begining this year is allowing parents who both are the single child of their own families, to have a 2nd child. Not many people are doing it though. Because like in most western countries, people don't want a lot of kids now. The dictator thinks the sex productive organs of their women are water hoses, when he wants to turn them off he can turn them off, when he wants to turn them on he can turn them on. Big joke.

Sex selective abortion has always been illegal. But one child policy has made people secretly perform selective abortion to have the only child "bear the family name". The result is for every 100 female new borns, there are 119 males. We are talking about 50 million unmatched bachelors left over in the marriage market 10 years from now. The party always talks about social stability, these guys can be very very unstable. Legalize gay marriage? Legalize prostitution first!

you are also very uninformed. for years now China has revised the One Child Policy to only financially penalise parents who have more than one child. you can have more than one child if you can afford the penalties. also, rural families have always been allowed more than one child.

the gender imbalance is also exaggerated by western media. many female births are simply not reported to the governmenet so that legally, a family may only have one son, but in reality he may have older sisters.

and don't worry about the unmatched bachelors. many of them are already marrying women from Vietnam and North Korea.

[flyingable]

You are not innocent enough to believe that those who cannot afford penalty are free to walk away, right? The penalty has only made the Birth Control Bureau rich given the current corropted system, those who can't afford fines are still subject to brutal forced abortion and castration afterwards, to set examples for the rich. Now the system has become so unfair that the rich and privileged can buy themselves out of this atrocity. It's no longer as in the begining that all the Chinese had to sacrifice in this stupid ecological crusade, only the poor Chinese now have to.

Rural families have never been officially allowed to have more than one child until recently only in Shanghai. And since this is unconstitutional practice, the Bureau of Birth Control has alway threathened to forbid it, unless you think Chinese constitution is also a joke. Even the rural families are allowed to from now, what justifies the situation that in one republic people in cities and countries enjoy different rights?

No country or several countries combined together can off-set the impact of 50 million unmatched bachelors. The Bureau of Birth Control has always questioned the authenticity of numbers even from the National Bureau of Census. It is not western media this time, 119:100 ratio is drawn from the most recent census, which The Bureau of Birth Control always casts a blind eye on, it claims that there "might be" more baby girls hidden away that we simply don't know. The BBC is so broke that it resorts to innuendoes.

[SunWuKong]

You are not innocent enough to believe that those who cannot afford penalty are free to walk away, right? The penalty has only made the Birth Control Bureau rich given the current corropted system, those who can't afford fines are still subject to brutal forced abortion and castration afterwards, to set examples for the rich. Now the system has become so unfair that the rich and privileged can buy themselves out of this atrocity. It's no longer as in the begining that all the Chinese had to sacrifice in this stupid ecological crusade, only the poor Chinese now have to.

Rural families have never been officially allowed to have more than one child until recently only in Shanghai. And since this is unconstitutional practice, the Bureau of Birth Control has alway threathened to forbid it, unless you think Chinese constitution is also a joke. Even the rural families are allowed to from now, what justifies the situation that in one republic people in cities and countries enjoy different rights?

No country or several countries combined together can off-set the impact of 50 million unmatched bachelors. The Bureau of Birth Control has always questioned the authenticity of numbers even from the National Bureau of Census. It is not western media this time, 119:100 ratio is drawn from the most recent census, which The Bureau of Birth Control always casts a blind eye on, it claims that there "might be" more baby girls hidden away that we simply don't know. The BBC is so broke that it resorts to innuendoes.


i'm not saying the One Child Policy is perfect. but i think it was a necessary evil. the Chinese government is going to start phasing it out anyway because the One Child Policy was only ever supposed to be implemented on one generation.

and i don't think the Chinese consitution is "a joke". but i also don't think it means all that much because the Chinese justice system is far from independent and free of corruption. and without a good justice system to enforce a country's laws, those laws are pretty meaningless.

but hey, the original discussion isn't even about the humanitarian costs of the One Child Policy. you were saying that ending the One Child Policy would solve the unemployment issue the article was talking about. that makes no sense whatsoever.

[flyingable]

Ending the birth control policy will at least relieve the unemployment problem somewhat. I have seen a lot of kindergarten and primary school teachers lost their jobs, now it's middle school teachers, in the future there will be high school and college. It is building up man. It's not just teachers, a whole industry is cut. There are just not many babies now. It's a scary situation.

[SunWuKong]

Ending the birth control policy will at least relieve the unemployment problem somewhat. I have seen a lot of kindergarten and primary school teachers lost their jobs, now it's middle school teachers, in the future there will be high school and college. It is building up man. It's not just teachers, a whole industry is cut. There are just not many babies now. It's a scary situation.

please read what i've written above about how wrong you are.

[Player 0]

Who else here thinks flyingable just screams Epoch times.

[SunWuKong]

Who else here thinks flyingable just screams Epoch times.

is Falun Gong pushing for an end to the One Child Policy?

(by the way, Epoch Times is just one of the blatant evidence that Falun Gong is very political, which contradicts their claim that they are not political.)

[Player 0]

is Falun Gong pushing for an end to the One Child Policy?

(by the way, Epoch Times is just one of the blatant evidence that Falun Gong is very political, which contradicts their claim that they are not political.)

I'm pretty sure they are, wouldn't surprise me, almost all their articles are dedicated to criticizing China and the CCP's policies, and he strikes me as a reader, or very ignorant, or just a plain old troll, either way he clearly shares similar opinions on the Chinese government.

And FYI that isn't meant as a compliment.

[flyingable]

The only place where being polictial is a crime is a dictatorship, where the government destroys its own people's productive organs to "save the resources". There is no reason whatsoever to justify this. It has been such a failure of the communist government so that it has to commit such an atrocity to cover it. It is a genocide against self. A million of "economical miracles" cannot cover it. The communist government has been a shame and stigmata for all of Chinese, there is no way to deny that.

[Player 0]

The only place where being polictial is a crime is a dictatorship, where the government destroys its own people's productive organs to "save the resources". There is no reason whatsoever to justify this. It has been such a failure of the communist government so that it has to commit such an atrocity to cover it. It is a genocide against self. Millions of "economical miracles" cannot cover this. The communist government has been a shame and stigmata for all of Chinese, there is no way to deny that.

Thank you for proving my point for me.

[flyingable]

Good guessing! What else can you do? Every critisizing voice comes from the enemy, CIA/FBI/FFG so on and so forth. This is the paranoia of a dictator isn't it?

So answer me, even if I am from CIA, what's the point of destroying chinese women's productive organs to save resources?

The dictator has a plan. He thinks it is the only way to "save the people" and he brain-washes his people with his plan and is so furious being "cock-blocked" by some critisizing voices. However, how are you so sure that the dictator's plan is the right way toward salvation? The dictator thought birth-control was the answer, see what a mess it has created. The core is, a system that cannot tolerate critisices from either inside or outside is doomed to fail. History has proven that, there is just no way around man, no way around.

Thank you for proving my point for me.

[contra_diction]

So answer me, even if I am from CIA, what's the point of destroying chinese women's productive organs to save resources?
You make it sound as if China is surgically preventing women from having babies. They aren't actually, are they?

[ahsingjai]

You make it sound as if China is surgically preventing women from having babies. They aren't actually, are they?

All they are referring to is something that happen a decade or longer ago.

[SunWuKong]

Good guessing! What else can you do? Every critisizing voice comes from the enemy, CIA/FBI/FFG so on and so forth. This is the paranoia of a dictator isn't it?

So answer me, even if I am from CIA, what's the point of destroying chinese women's productive organs to save resources?

The dictator has a plan. He thinks it is the only way to "save the people" and he brain-washes his people with his plan and is so furious being "cock-blocked" by some critisizing voices. However, how are you so sure that the dictator's plan is the right way toward salvation? The dictator thought birth-control was the answer, see what a mess it has created. The core is, a system that cannot tolerate critisices from either inside or outside is doomed to fail. History has proven that, there is just no way around man, no way around.

honestly, you are the one that sounds paranoid. the fact still remains that China is doing better than it ever has, and with a decreasing population growth.

All they are referring to is something that happen a decade or longer ago.

and something that happened because of corrupt local leadership. it wasn't systematic and it wasn't like it was happening to every family that had a child.

[flyingable]

Ahsingjai is the one who lied that the government had stopped one child policy, right?

The government surgically removed millions of women's ovaries, ligated Fallopian tubes, put in intrauterine devices, blew thousands of houses, killed families' cattle, in order to bring people to comply. The reason that you don't see this as often now is that people realized the government is serious, they have surrendered. You don't think those refuse to comply can walk away freely, do you? The price of the reconcilement of status quo is people "willingly" suffering a genocide. And since this is a genocide against self, nobody else really cares. "There are just too many Chinese", right?

Eighter using knives or prpaganda, or by bribing people with "economical miracles", the fact is fact: the government refuses to give its people basic human rights in such an appalling way that only Hitler can be comparable. It is such a shame to the Chinese that they even defend the government, refuse to accept it, in order to "save face", typical Asian reaction.

[SunWuKong]

Ahsingjai is the one who lied that the government had stopped one child policy, right?

The government surgically removed millions of women's ovaries, ligated Fallopian tubes, put in intrauterine devices, blew thousands of houses, killed families' cattle, in order to bring people to comply. The reason that you don't see this as often now is that people realized the government is serious, they have surrendered. You don't think those refuse to comply can walk away freely, do you? The price of the reconcilement of status quo is people "willingly" suffering a genocide. And since this is a genocide against self, nobody else really cares. "There are just too many Chinese", right?

Eighter using knives or prpaganda, or by bribing people with "economical miracles", the fact is fact: the government refuses to give its people basic human rights in such an appalling way that only Hitler can be comparable. It is such a shame to the Chinese that they even defend the government, refuse to accept it, in order to "save face", typical Asian reaction.

no actually, we're just not paranoid like you.

[flyingable]

Actually the One Child Policy is paranoid, it is from an end-of-the -world mentatlity. This is very comparable to Hilter's who thought Jews were sucking up the country's wealth and had to be stopped. Similarly some people think the Chinese are sucking up the their own country's "resources" and have to be stopped.

Now that the most bloody sensational part has been done, the policy maker can elegantly sit back, it's now the one who spills sweat reversing it "paranoid".

It's very interesting, because if one diggs all the old posts out, he will find that it's the people who were against me firstly calling names. When gradually their arguments losing ground in the debate, they gave up, elegantly sat back, sipping tea and calling me paranoid. This is also very Chinese.

no actually, we're just not paranoid like you.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

^ Dude are you even Chinese? I'm as whitewashed as they come and I could still pick out the discrepancies in your argument. So how's that tea? Just right? :rolleyes:

[flyingable]

What makes you think that I am not Chinese?

^ Dude are you even Chinese? I'm as whitewashed as they come and I could still pick out the discrepancies in your argument. So how's that tea? Just right? :rolleyes:

[Player 0]

What makes you think that I am not Chinese?

Other than your non-sensical rantings and insults towards us, which could just be equated to you being a jackass, there's also the fact in the last three posts you made you stated racist statements towards Chinese and Asian people, in which case you are clearly a troll who is pretending to be Chinese, all in order to push your paranoid rants onto Chinese people making them feel as badly towards our government as you do.

in which case TROLL ALERT.

[SunWuKong]

this thread was split from:

http://forums.yellowworld.org/showthread.php?t=28790


flyingable, half of what you've said makes now sense whatsoever.
the other half of what you've said is based on exaggeration and propaganda.

[Arex]

This thread is funny.

[flyingable]

It's better relocating this thread in Rant Room, I hope this will bring more non-chinese people to read it. Some times it's good to ashamed, those Chinese who are ashamed in this forum will probabaly look into this issue further and hopefully do something beneficial later. We are in America, right? This country believes in individual initiatives.

But some people are still a little bit off. SunWuKong is the only person I've met out of China who calls some one critisizes communist governments "paranoid". All I have been hearing from the media here is "communists are paranoid". SunWuKong really has some creative thinking.

this thread was split from:

http://forums.yellowworld.org/showthread.php?t=28790


flyingable, half of what you've said makes now sense whatsoever.
the other half of what you've said is based on exaggeration and propaganda.

[SunWuKong]

But some people are still a little bit off. SunWuKong is the only person I've met out of China who calls some one critisizes communist governments "paranoid". All I have been hearing from the media here is "communists are paranoid". SunWuKong really has some creative thinking.

nope, i think you're paranoid not because you criticise the Chinese government. i criticise the Chinese government, myself. i think you're paranoid because of what you've specifically said.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

But some people are still a little bit off. SunWuKong is the only person I've met out of China who calls some one critisizes communist governments "paranoid". All I have been hearing from the media here is "communists are paranoid". SunWuKong really has some creative thinking.

Lemme get this straight. So you're putting down a point of view based on the fact that it's the first time you've heard it and that the media says otherwise? Where does that put your argument on this forum then, sport?

[flyingable]

I am specifically anti-chinese government against its forced abortion/contraception policy to promote one child per family. I think this is genocide against self. I am anti birth control, and I am anti birth control only. Did I ever talk about anything else? And you call me paranoid. Now it's my turn to ask this question: Are you a Chinese?

[SunWuKong]

I am specifically anti-chinese government against its forced abortion/contraception policy to promote one child per family. I think this is genocide against self. I am anti birth control, and I am anti birth control only. Did I ever talk about anything else? And you call me paranoid.

once again, i think you're paranoid not because you criticise the Chinese government. i think you're paranoid because of the things you say specifically. here are some of those gems so far:

I am just sick of how propaganda machines project the guilt of an incompetent government on innocent people so readily and blatantly.

The government wants you to believe that, in the awareness of global environmental problems, the Chinese are elegantly castrating their women in order to "save" resources for other people. What a courtsey indeed. This is plain and simple, birth control policy is a cover-up of a failure.

And to "feed" a large population is no easy job? You talk like a dictator. So this dictator failed to feed his own people, and he wants them to die out?

The dictator thinks the sex productive organs of their women are water hoses, when he wants to turn them off he can turn them off, when he wants to turn them on he can turn them on.

The penalty has only made the Birth Control Bureau rich given the current corropted system, those who can't afford fines are still subject to brutal forced abortion and castration afterwards, to set examples for the rich. Now the system has become so unfair that the rich and privileged can buy themselves out of this atrocity.


Now it's my turn to ask this question: Are you a Chinese?

yes, i'm Chinese. by the way, i never questioned whether or not you're Chinese. it was others that did.

[flyingable]

Thank you for quoting my words. I stand on every thing I have said. The birth control policy itself is paranoid, it's way too radical to be justified by any reasons. It's just not the solution, it can't be the solution, admit it. It comes from an incompetent, frustrated, desperate and paranoid government which turned against its own people. Same paranoia leaded to the masacre in Cambodia.

I give you credit for making it happen some one finally being called paranoid in this room, where people get pissed off for every tiny little reasons.

[SunWuKong]

The birth control policy itself is paranoid, it's way too radical to be justified by any reasons. It's just not the solution, it can't be the solution, admit it.

there's nothing for me to admit.

1) one of the points you've made is that horrible acts have occured in the name of the One Child Policy. i've already mentioned in a previous post that the One Child Policy has humanitarian costs, but that i think it's a necessary evil.

2) the other point you've made is that getting rid of the One Child Policy would solve the unemployment issue. that made no sense whatsoever, and i've explained in previous posts why you made no sense. your explanation lacked the most basic understanding of economics and production.

[didu]

I think flyingable is a troll ...

[Fireblade]

A long debate that will solve nothing. If you are set in your views and do not have anything better to do than assert that your views are mandatory and everyone must set their ways in supporting your theory, then don't expect us to do the same. We're all very stubborn people.

That... and Falun Gong is a joke.

[Michelle101]

what do you mean 'not a lot of babies?' theres like freakin more than a million being born every second. our population is so over right now. earths so crowded, i wouldnt be surprised if it collapsed just from the sheer weight of every human being, waste, and other nasties humans are producing just cause there are too many people. where are we, 6.7 billion? that itll be 10 billion really soon. then what? our world isnt sufficiently sustaining the people that we do have right now cause of poor management. and since were not fixing that, we might as well try and slow down the demand of everything by slowing down the birth rate.

[flyingable]

Even if the world is over-populated it is not only the Chinese people's resonsibility to solve it. The Chinese people birth-control themselves only to save resources for all others who don't. The CCP government keeps telling this story to the world in order to bring down some international criticism. Talking about selling out?

If the population could reach 10 billion and the earth would be destroyed by 10 billion people, it is not something can be solved by the Chinese along birth-controlling themselves. The Chinese have never birth-controlled themselve to save the world, they are just birth-controlling themseleves to cover the major failure of their CCP government.


what do you mean 'not a lot of babies?' theres like freakin more than a million being born every second. our population is so over right now. earths so crowded, i wouldnt be surprised if it collapsed just from the sheer weight of every human being, waste, and other nasties humans are producing just cause there are too many people. where are we, 6.7 billion? that itll be 10 billion really soon. then what? our world isnt sufficiently sustaining the people that we do have right now cause of poor management. and since were not fixing that, we might as well try and slow down the demand of everything by slowing down the birth rate.

[Player 0]

Even if the world is over-populated it is not only the Chinese people's resonsibility to solve it. The Chinese people birth-control themselves only to save resources for all others who don't. The CCP government keeps telling this story to the world in order to bring down some international criticism. Talking about selling out?

If the population could reach 10 billion and the earth would be destroyed by 10 billion people, it is not something can be solved by the Chinese along birth-controlling themselves. The Chinese have never birth-controlled themselve to save the world, they are just birth-controlling themseleves to cover the major failure of their CCP government.

Selling out? how the hell is that selling out, and what exactly do you expect the CCP to do, how exactly is the CCP supposed to make sure that all the nations of the world follow their example? the CCP's authority only extends to the national borders of the PRC, whether or not other nations have a one child policy is the choice of the nation's government and no one else.

And congradulations for reinforcing people's belief that you are an epoch times supporting troll, because by implying that it is the CCP's fault that other nations don't have birth control policies is somehow the fault, you show that you are looking for any reason to hate the CCP.

[Michelle101]

i never said that china should take on the responsibility of slowing the birth rate by themselves. but theyre doing it, whatever the reason, and im congratulating them. but then again, theyre not the only ones. i think koreas doing something similar. anyway, this sort of this should be widespread, not just china which, i might add, has the largest population. indias almost there though.


Even if the world is over-populated it is not only the Chinese people's resonsibility to solve it. The Chinese people birth-control themselves only to save resources for all others who don't. The CCP government keeps telling this story to the world in order to bring down some international criticism. Talking about selling out?

If the population could reach 10 billion and the earth would be destroyed by 10 billion people, it is not something can be solved by the Chinese along birth-controlling themselves. The Chinese have never birth-controlled themselve to save the world, they are just birth-controlling themseleves to cover the major failure of their CCP government.