a flag's significance

[VV o n g B a]

how important do u guys think a flag is? what would u think about georgia reinstating its confederate flag at the state house? apparently its an important enough issue for rural whites to kick a governor out.
georgia state flag story at salon (http://www.salon.com/politics/wire/2002/11/11/georgia_flag/index.html)

[Hito]

The southern battle cross is no more appropriate a symble to fly as the natzi iron cross or Swastika

White people in the south still just cant get over tha fact that they lost.
Some of them (the Deo Vindice! croud) still think that the south is going to rise again.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by Hito@Nov 11 2002, 06:16 PM
The southern battle cross is no more appropriate a symble to fly as the natzi iron cross or Swastika

White people in the south still just cant get over tha fact that they lost.
Some of them (the Deo Vindice! croud) still think that the south is going to rise again.
actually the "swastika" is also a hindu and buddhist symbol.

[ChinaLama]

Originally posted by Hito@Nov 11 2002, 11:16 PM
The southern battle cross is no more appropriate a symble to fly as the natzi iron cross or Swastika

White people in the south still just cant get over tha fact that they lost.
Some of them (the Deo Vindice! croud) still think that the south is going to rise again.
I don't see a Confederate flag as a testament to slavery; I see it as a testament to a state's sovereignty. So, in that sense, I'm very sympathetic to Southern states' causes. I would be MORE sympathetic to Lincoln's starting the Civil War if it had been fought over human rights rather than over forcing states to to stay in a "union." This is because I believe that the very fact we're called the United STATES entitles individual states to a measure of sovereignty; otherwise, why would they be called "states" rather than provinces? So a state that no longer feels it can be a part of a union should have a right to secede.

However, having said that, I think people make WAY too big a deal over flags. While I believe patriotism is good and a country is represented by its flag, i think the formality surrounding the flag is a little tooo much. Just cuz SOME people have a flag fetish doesn't mean everyone should be forced to. Like if someone accidentally mishandles a flag, I don't think that should be a CRIME. And I don't think it should be considered wrong or illegal to burn or wear flags as statements, either.

[ren28]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Nov 11 2002, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by Hito@Nov 11 2002, 06:16 PM
The southern battle cross is no more appropriate a symble to fly as the natzi iron cross or Swastika

White people in the south still just cant get over tha fact that they lost.
Some of them (the Deo Vindice! croud) still think that the south is going to rise again.
actually the "swastika" is also a hindu and buddhist symbol.
I thought it was a reversed swastika for those religions.

[Hito]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Nov 11 2002, 04:38 PM

actually the "swastika" is also a hindu and buddhist symbol.
Cripes man gimme *some* credit...
Of course I know that. <_<
It is native american symbol as well.
But I wasnt refering to those, I was talking about it being used in a Nazi context as a symbol of facism and white supreamicy

S'y I said NATZI Iron cross OR swastika

[VV o n g B a]

my personal feelings are that flags represent things and the confederate flag represents the confederate south which broke away from the rest of the US just to keep slavery. i think it shouldn't be flown anymore.

but certainly it should be allowed by the ppl of the state to decide and not be decided underhandedly. if the rural georgians are comfortable putting out a flag w/ those kinds of connotations, then let them. i just won't take any field trips through those areas anytime soon.

[enygma]

one of the things that scares the crap out of me is when i'm driving to school or back home and i end up driving behind, in front of, or next to a pickup truck with more than one white guy in it and a confederate flag stuck somewhere on the vehicle. is this stereotyping? yes. but it still scares me because apparently, there's a town near my school that's notorious for being somewhat active with the KKK.

[wylin]

i like the nazi/ swastika looks cool its a magical symbol. one of the many lucky or magical symbols/ pharses used by our german nazi movement.

German iron cross is still used u can find it on german federation aircraft...like Panavia Tornado's, Specat Jaguars, and F4 phantoms. Those are just typical german symbols of their country. things like the iron cross, words: luftwaffle, kreigs marine, panzer, strum gewer (stg).

[ism]

I know the black and white reasons for the Civil War I was taught in K-12 are not entirely accurate (i.e., that is was mostly about slavery). Howard Zinn argues that the slavery issue was tacked on to create a moral reason, a rallying issue, and to keep other countries away. Given that the Emancipation Proclamation would allow slavery if the ceceded states returned, and continued to allow slavery in the states that stayed with the Union, I tend to believe the argument.

With that said, I do not view the Confederate flag as about slavery as much as it is about the economic differences between the North and South that continue up to this day. I do view the flag as part of an "Us vs Them" mentality, but also a way of showing pride for Southern culture. To a lot of people it does represent slavery, and when the question asks if something is about pride or racism, it's a foregone conclusion.

[amietron]

let the georgians choose which flag they want to fly. the flag represents them.

[bwc]

Originally posted by Hito@Nov 12 2002, 12:40 AM
[ NATZI
dude spell it correctly

[MellowDrama]

Just to let you know, in Mississippi, the vote to remove the "stars and bars" in the state flag failed miserably, and the initiative even got beat in some majority-Black counties.

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by MellowDrama@Nov 15 2002, 08:16 AM
Just to let you know, in Mississippi, the vote to remove the "stars and bars" in the state flag failed miserably, and the initiative even got beat in some majority-Black counties.
...Thanks to gerrymander

Or perhaps because the people living in those counties were educated and realized that the war was not fought over slavery, nor does the flag represent slavery, but more over the rights of states and their soverignity.

[artsfartsyjanet]

Hmm... I had a discussion about this in my psych of oppression class. What do all of you think the Confederate flag looks like? Please post an image.