Seperate homeland for Cantonese people!

[Go-Lee]

Yes thats right, i dont want a unified china. We deserve our own nation where Cantonese is the only official and national language and we dont have to put up with with these poor people from the north who speak a different language, look different and drain the riches of our economy.

Does any brother feel the same way i do? Life would be better if beijing was out of the picture!

[thaite]

Find a charismatic leader and start a revolution. Good luck!

[snailpoo]

Find a charismatic leader and start a revolution. Good luck!
I nominate BestChinese!

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Sure, as soon as you fuckers give Hong Kong back to the Hakka people who were there first. I want land rights in Causeway Bay. I'll put up a nice village h ouse.

[Craig]

You are complaining about these northerners looking different. All the while most Cantonese males are calling these people inferior (culturally and genetically), but yet their women are physically more attractive and would make better wives.

[eos]

now, are we gonna separate the cantonese speakers into the different dialects in this new "country"? or is it gonna be one big ol' mish mash of cantonese stew?

[LaiSteve66]

This Go-Lee is some guy who thinks Vietnamese will be extinct.

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=60198

Hey "Go-Lee" how did it feel to take a ride on Ben's Ban bus?

Need I say "TROLL ALERT!"

[Player 0]

I'm part Cantonese, and i believe in a unified China, and i am strongly against seperatism in all its forms.

You sir have no right to be called Chinese, you are unworthy of being from the same race, culture and language as great Chinese like Sun Yat Sen, go back Vietnam with the rest of your seperatists scum who dare to try and split our motherland!!

I've been looking around Go-lee's other threads, how funny they all have negative view points on the mainland and it's economy, and the fact that people have been saying China's economy should've failed by 2003, funny how they seem to be proven wrong on a constant basis.

[SunWuKong]

diu!

[ahsingjai]

diu!

I like to use diew. So when you want to extend the word you can go DIEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!

[AltimaGTR]

A separate homeland? Are you talking about the Chinatowns over here in the US? heheh.

[SunWuKong]

let's start a pok gai revolution!

[Paradox]

Hong Kong is the cantonese motherland already. The novelty of living there is the fact that you can live in an overpriced loft while working for slave wages.

[eos]

such language.

haha...we have a polk street here in chicago. get it? LOL

[AznTrojan]

i wonder who lives on 4 polk street.. =)

[SunWuKong]

Hong Kong is the cantonese motherland already.

i don't know. HKers' Cantonese isn't even "proper" Cantonese like they speak in Guangzhou.

[eos]

what the hell is proper cantonese? no seriously, i would like to hear this spoken.

[AliBabaIncorporated]

I guess "proper Cantonese" (as distinct from "standard Cantonese") would be what the newsreaders talk like. TV news, and to a lesser extent, TV dramas and government speeches, are pretty much the only place you can hear Cantonese spoken by HKers without huge amounts of English being intermixed.

[ahsingjai]

such language.

haha...we have a polk street here in chicago. get it? LOL
Polk Gui!

[SunWuKong]

what the hell is proper cantonese? no seriously, i would like to hear this spoken.

some of the consonant sounds are different (don't know if i should call it "consonant" because Chinese is not phonetic, but you know what i mean). most notably "proper" Cantonese uses the n sound whereas HK Cantonese uses the l sound, like saying nei as opposed to lei, as in "you". then of course there are a bunch of nouns that HKers use to refer to things whereas people in the rest of Guangdong use other nouns to refer to the same things, like the Cantonese for "motorcycle" (din daan che in HK and i think mo tok for the rest of Guangdong) for instance - but for nouns, i'm not sure if any variants of Cantonese can claim "proper-ness", especially when you're talking about a noun that's derived from the transliteration or translation of foreign words. most people in Guangzhou, at least those who are originally from the area, and probably a lot of HKers would agree that "proper" Cantonese is Guangzhou Cantonese. HKers are well aware of how much they've butchered the Cantonese language/dialect. :biggrin:

there's actually an entry in wikipedia about "proper Cantonese".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proper_Cantonese_pronunciation

[ahsingjai]

I hear a lot of Taishanese (sei yep) sounding words in some of their speeches. Sometimes I recongize some zhongshan ones too.

[Player 0]

On the note of an independent Cantonese state, you want it so bad Lee, go live in Singapore, i'm quite sure a more than significant number of population is Cantonese Chinese.

[Seamus]

Nimen Guangdongrenne, Zhongguoren yeshi. Shwer shwer lerler chwershwer (that's what you think our language sounds like, don't you?) -- you may think of yourselves as being different from and superior to us, but I throw my Mandarin at you Southern Chinese and fart in your general direction :P

Also, what would you call this separate state? Cantoland? Guangdongistan?

[ahsingjai]

Nimen Guangdongrenne, Zhongguoren yeshi. Shwer shwer lerler chwershwer (that's what you think our language sounds like, don't you?) -- you may think of yourselves as being different from and superior to us, but I throw my Mandarin at you Southern Chinese and fart in your general direction :P

Also, what would you call this separate state? Cantoland? Guangdongistan?

Now your just discriminating. Even tho I don't agree with his cantonese nationalism, I don't like how your addressing this issue.

[Seamus]

Who am I discriminating against? I'm just saying that despite our cultural and linguistic differences, we're all Chinese. I don't think that you need to create a separate homeland any time two ethnic groups have any sort of difference. It's only when two groups absolutely hate each other that trying to forge a single national identity out of the two is probably a bad idea. Last time I checked, this wasn't the case for "Hanren" versus "Tangyun"

[CBC guy]

kay sut lay day jen hay seung deem jet? la, but yue yong guang zhou joy go sou dou, heung gong joy ge ging jai jong sum, ao mun joy ge dou chin go mut gah, gum ou day jou ho yee ho you chin la.

tong mai, kay sut guang dong yan seung um seung duck lap seen? ou yat lo gum lou do mo teng go yee dee gum go yeh. ho gao siu lo! lay hay um hay heung gong yan ah?

[grimfan]

Why are some Cantonese people so stuck up? Their language is sh*t, at least aurally.

[ahsingjai]

Why are some Cantonese people so stuck up? Their language is sh*t, at least aurally.

Why are some Non-Cantonese people so stuck up? There will always be "some" of every kind of people that will be stuck up.

[Fireblade]

Really, who gives a shit? I'm Cantonese, and for those who wanna asssert whatever asian cultural identity by bashing others should go ahead and start up their own version of Stormfront. Or start up a chinese forum or what-not. The rest of us here don't give a fuck.

[Broomer]

Yes thats right, i dont want a unified china. We deserve our own nation where Cantonese is the only official and national language and we dont have to put up with with these poor people from the north who speak a different language, look different and drain the riches of our economy.

Does any brother feel the same way i do? Life would be better if beijing was out of the picture!

I thought we have one already, it's called Canada.

Broomer :cool:

[futuremonki]

Well, not our own country, but at least a wall so theres at least some distance between us and those repugnant northerners.

[crazyasspimp]

i am a southerner but I wouldnt allow people to say shit about northerners cuz we are all Chinese.
And how could you prove that you are a indigenous southerner or cantonese?

[applehead]

Yes thats right, i dont want a unified china. We deserve our own nation where Cantonese is the only official and national language and we dont have to put up with with these poor people from the north who speak a different language, look different and drain the riches of our economy.

Does any brother feel the same way i do? Life would be better if beijing was out of the picture!

oh who cares.
you'll all end up moving to flushing ny. anyway.

[sdcheung]

oh who cares.
you'll all end up moving to flushing ny. anyway.

Nah..it's still dominated by Taiwanese in Flushing.
Better bet would be to go to Brooklyn Chinatown

[ahsingjai]

Not to add more fuel to this flaming discussion, but isn't China's hopes on democracy dependent on Hong Kong's experiment with democracy?

Didn't HK legislature representatives go to Guangzhou to have a meeting with their Guangdong counterparts?

What I'm feeling about how the Cantonese idenity is sticking out from the whole bunch is that they are the first to go out to the western world and learn about the outside world and to adapt to more open-minded ideas.

Ideas like democracy and freedom. I don't think the Cantonese people should form a seperate idenity like they aren't Chinese, but use "Cantonese" as a form of a reminder to others that there has been a seperate history that they as in Chinese from Guangdong had experienced.

If Chinese people from Guangdong didn't do this starting 200 years ago, there wouldn't be no Sun Yet Sun. And Zhongshan/Taishan residents wouldn't be all over the world coming up from poverty to Ph.D holders.

[futuremonki]

i am a southerner but I wouldnt allow people to say shit about northerners cuz we are all Chinese.
And how could you prove that you are a indigenous southerner or cantonese?
well i guess im not very good at sarcasm, lol.

[applehead]

Nah..it's still dominated by Taiwanese in Flushing.
Better bet would be to go to Brooklyn Chinatown


i can't tell the difference.
neither can they.

[Player 0]

You want sarcasm you use emoticons, that's what they're there for.

[SunWuKong]

Ideas like democracy and freedom. I don't think the Cantonese people should form a seperate idenity like they aren't Chinese, but use "Cantonese" as a form of a reminder to others that there has been a seperate history that they as in Chinese from Guangdong had experienced.

If Chinese people from Guangdong didn't do this starting 200 years ago, there wouldn't be no Sun Yet Sun. And Zhongshan/Taishan residents wouldn't be all over the world coming up from poverty to Ph.D holders.

HK didn't experience "democracy" until the mid 1980s. the British didn't implement it in the city until they knew they would hand the city back to China in 1997.

and the revolutionary history of the Cantonese dates back hundreds of years, longer than just 200 years. it didn't so much had to do with western influence as it was more the fact that Guangdong was far away from the capital and the seat of power, so it was more difficult for the ruling power to control, and many rebels had retreated there historically. the last battle of the Song dynasty took place in Guangdong. Ming rebels were based in Guangdong and Taiwan when the Manchus defeated the Ming dynasty.

[sw1989]

Why are you against a unified China? Especially when the world is still ruled by white people? Unified we will have much more power!

Cantonese people are more wealthy only because they make money off of the rest of China by setting up factories and sweatshops and exploiting northerners .

So its really annoying when cantonese ppl have an attitude and think they're superior...face it you guys are nothing without the Northeners, and the same is true the other way around.

P.S. Mandarin and Cantonese are not the only languages/cultures in China...its just that most ppl have already realized that its stupid to distinguish among themselves and learned to just speak Mandarin.

[CBC guy]

Look, I am Cantonese but in all my time with Cantonese ppl I have NEVER heard of this idea. NEVER. Not even with strident anti-communists in Hong Kong. Look, China was unified back in 221 BC and should never break up.

Besides, if there are any ppl in China who want to leave, it'll probably be the Tibetans or (a distant second) the Uighurs of Xinjiang. But that's another story. As far as China goes, Cantonese ppl are among the most afluent, the successful Chinese people in China. Guangzhou is one of its wealthiest cities, and I know many northerners who moved south and learned Cantonese just to work in Guangdong. Cantonese ppl aren't really that political, we'll go where the money is, and simply put the money right now is with China, so 99% of Cantonese are happy to stay put.

And stop with this Northern-southern thing already. :mad: I have northern and southern chinese friends and while there are differences we are all Chiense, and Han Chinese at that. I can understand if Tibetans want independence, but Cantonese? Come on.

[SunWuKong]

some of you are taking this topic way too seriously. i just think it's funny. and different regional Chinese people making fun of each other is practically a tradition.

[AltimaGTR]

some of you are taking this topic way too seriously. i just think it's funny. and different regional Chinese people making fun of each other is practically a tradition.
Werd, it's okay to poke fun at others even though they're speaking an inferior language :wink: .

[Broomer]

some of you are taking this topic way too seriously. i just think it's funny. and different regional Chinese people making fun of each other is practically a tradition.

Likewise, it's about time we have the ole' inter-villages scuffles and skirmishes that we used to get in China.

Ahhhhhh..... the good ole days where when a man loves a woman, all they need to do is ride up with a couple of the boys, scoop them up, slaughter the in-laws, pillage the place, burn the place down and then ride off into the sunset for a big piss up....

They were the days.

Why did they have to go away?

Broomer :confused:

[eos]

some of you are taking this topic way too seriously. i just think it's funny. and different regional Chinese people making fun of each other is practically a tradition.

no shit. the bug up ur asses has got a bug up its ass. chillax. sheesh.

Likewise, it's about time we have the ole' inter-villages scuffles and skirmishes that we used to get in China.

Ahhhhhh..... the good ole days where when a man loves a woman, all they need to do is ride up with a couple of the boys, scoop them up, slaughter the in-laws, pillage the place, burn the place down and then ride off into the sunset for a big piss up....

They were the days.

Why did they have to go away?

Broomer :confused:

is barbarianism still fashionable?
every girl's dream is to have some dude throw her on the back of his horse and force her to make babies.

[kimpossible]

some of you are taking this topic way too seriously. i just think it's funny. and different regional Chinese people making fun of each other is practically a tradition.

time for you all to unite against the japanese again

[Broomer]

no shit. the bug up ur asses has got a bug up its ass. chillax. sheesh.



is barbarianism still fashionable?
every girl's dream is to have some dude throw her on the back of his horse and force her to make babies.

Why not? Things were more honest like that. You like someone, you let them know out right by slaughtering the in laws and throwing them on your horse.

Isn't that what girls are complaining all the time these days? Us guys not communicating clearly enough? Well, if you happened to be scooped up all of a sudden and eating horse hair, then you know the guy likes you.

Broomer :biggrin:

[hkRT]

I don't think Go-Lee understands Cantonese.

[Tao]

i can't tell the difference.
neither can they.
i can tell the difference, god i hate them. they think they're so much better than us mainlanders, grrrrrr well i'll show them! everytime i pass by that tawan center i want to burn it down......eerrr i mean ummm let's unite against japan.

[applehead]

i can tell the difference, god i hate them. they think they're so much better than us mainlanders, grrrrrr well i'll show them! everytime i pass by that tawan center i want to burn it down......eerrr i mean ummm let's unite against japan.

stop PMing me about molotov cocktails.
i'm not breaking the law.

[kyopojin]

Yes thats right, i dont want a unified china. We deserve our own nation where Cantonese is the only official and national language and we dont have to put up with with these poor people from the north who speak a different language, look different and drain the riches of our economy.


You're the same PSYCHO-PATHE Viet-troll posing as Yue-separatist on CHF,with multiple accounts lachong and ngoivietcanthan.

It's obvious you're ON A MISSION to discredit Chinese in any imaginable ways you can think of.

I and a few other Chinese forummers BATTLED you on CHF website.

I don't think Go-Lee understands Cantonese.

Nope ... he doesn't understand Cantonese dialect or Chinese,but a mentally inbalanced Viet of FAKE pure-Yue origin convinced himself his ancestors were from ancient Nan Yue region what's now Canton province.

Please IGNORE THIS Viet-troll,he uses his free time on several Asian forums to AIR FICTITIOUS MYTH of Viets and Chinese are SAME ROOTS or GENETICALLY SIBLINGS.He is A TROUBLED-SOUL Viet with some sort of psychological problems.He constantly glue to CHF to lump Viets and Chinese as " blood brothers ",Chinese CAME FROM Vietnam,Chinese are descendants of ancient Viet race or Chinese Cantonese ARE actual Viet people not northern Chinese descendants from Yellow River as truthfully documented in Chinese history texts.

He is one a handful TROUBLED-SOUL Viets on " revenge rampage " for Chinese rejection as equals,Viets do know Chinese generally embrace cultural and genetic closenesses toward Japanese and Koreans often EXCLUDE Viets.This attitude hurts Viets' feelings deep down.These Viet-trolls often pose a " Cantonese " or " Vietnamized Cantonese of pure Yue-origin " to FAKELY ADVOCATE a non-existent movement of " a Canton homeland ".

[SunWuKong]

I and a few other Chinese forummers BATTLED you on CHF website.


it's so impressive when people BATTLE on the internet. i wish i had the guts to do the same.


LMCAO

[LaiSteve66]

Yes, this Go-Lee character is a troll. Here's and example of his "work".

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=60198&hl=


He is one a handful TROUBLED-SOUL Viets on " revenge rampage " for Chinese rejection as equals,Viets do know Chinese generally embrace cultural and genetic closenesses toward Japanese and Koreans often EXCLUDE Viets.This attitude hurts Viets' feelings deep down.These Viet-trolls often pose a " Cantonese " or " Vietnamized Cantonese of pure Yue-origin " to FAKELY ADVOCATE a non-existent movement of " a Canton homeland ".

Most Vietnamese couldn't care less about Chinese "exclusion".

[Player 0]

Who wants to bet Go-Lee comes from Asia' Finest.

Yes, this Go-Lee character is a troll. Here's and example of his "work".

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=60198&hl=



Most Vietnamese couldn't care less about Chinese "exclusion".

Well then its excellent to know that Go-Lee isn't like most Vietnamese:wink:

[Tao]

Who wants to bet Go-Lee comes from Asia' Finest.


they have some hot chicks on there posting pics of themselves because they feel insecure about their looks, or are just seeking attention. in other words, best forum ever

[LaiSteve66]

I'm not sure why we're even talking about Go-Lee. He was banned earlier along with BestChinese but I guess they were only temporary bans. They probably think they're still banned.

[kyopojin]

Well then its excellent to know that Go-Lee isn't like most Vietnamese:wink:

He is just one of handful dedicated psycho-pathe Viet-trolls endlessly surfing Asian forums to " broadcast " Viets and Chinese same race/origin OR blood-brothers cheap talks.CHF present has one Viet member falsely claims Vietnamese cuisine tastes same as Cantonese foods,in reality it's basic ingredients are closest to Thai as same as in blood-line.Cantonese foods don't use fish sauce,lemon grass,plus many spices commonly share in both Vietnamese and Thai cuisines

Most Viets DO FANCY or PLACE HIGH VALUE on any possible " Chinese blood connection ",this elevates them to a higher racial hierarchy into the prestige East Asian grouping of Chinese/Japanese/Koreans and distant Viets from PURE Au Lac indigenous origin.There are many inter-marriages between Chinese,Koreans and Japanese in recent years,we rarely air it on the internet because we accept it as normality on grounds of " same family roots factor " for these three nationalities with own respective culture.

One Chinese member Kulong on asiafinest evidently took these Viet-trolls " disguised as Cantonese OR Chinese " seriously as if there was a " real " movement for Canton nationhood among the REAL Cantonese-Chinese which IS NON-EXISTENT.Kulong ignorantly opened a thread on CHF to discuss such non-existent issue.

[LaiSteve66]

Most Viets DO FANCY or PLACE HIGH VALUE on any possible " Chinese blood connection ",this elevates them to a higher racial hierarchy into the prestige East Asian grouping of Chinese/Japanese/Koreans and distant Viets from PURE Au Lac indigenous origin.

It's kind of funny how we have all these "Viets" around here who are actually part Chinese call themselves Viet and downplay the fact that they're part Chinese.

[kyopojin]

It's kind of funny how we have all these "Viets" around here who are actually part Chinese call themselves Viet and downplay the fact that they're part Chinese.

That was my original suspect,it's those " mixed-offsprings " of teochow-speaking lonely Chinamen and native Viet girls with CONFUSED IDENTITY.Nearly all of them don't know Chinese at all,but rejected as Chinese by full blood Vietnam-born ethnic Chinese population.

[LaiSteve66]

That was my original suspect,it's those " mixed-offsprings " of Chinamen and Viet girls with CONFUSED IDENTITY.Nearly all of them don't know Chinese at all,but rejected as Chinese by full blood Vietnam-born ethnic Chinese population.

That may be the case, I wouldn't know, but your previous assertion that most Viets fancy a Chinese blood connection is obviously false.

[Player 0]

....

Is it just me, or does it seem that Kyopojin maybe Go-Lee's latest alter ego.

[kyopojin]

....

Is it just me, or does it seem that Kyopojin maybe Go-Lee's latest alter ego.

I am not Go-Lee imposter ....:eek:

I do have good knowledge of other Asian histories.

That may be the case, I wouldn't know, but your previous assertion that most Viets fancy a Chinese blood connection is obviously false.

Of all Asians,ONLY Viets like to bother us Chinese on matter of Chinese blood-tie and Cantonese of possible Yue-origin which has NOTHING TO DO with ancient Au Lac ( Ou Luo in Chinese ) indigenous ancestors of Viets of Kinh-heritage.Laotians,Cambodians,Thais,Koreans,Japanes e,plus all other Asians rarely speak out freely there is Chinese ancestry among fellow countrymen-women.

[LaiSteve66]

Of all Asians,ONLY Viets like to bother us Chinese on matter of Chinese blood-tie and Cantonese of possible Yue-origin which has NOTHING TO DO with ancient Au Lac ( Ou Luo in Chinese ) indigenous ancestors of Viets of Kinh-heritage.Laotians,Cambodians,Thais,Koreans,Japanes e,plus all other Asians rarely speak out freely there is Chinese ancestry among fellow countrymen-women.

Must only be a tiny minority of them. Viet self hatred is such a sad thing.

[SunWuKong]

kyopojin, you seem a bit too bothered by any suggestions of possible ancestral connections between Cantonese people and Vietnamese people.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

I have met quite a few wannabe-Chinese Viets....but there was this one guy in h/s that kept telling me that Chinese were not able to be trusted and this and that and so forth. The Viet girls I know (not many) are dating Chinese and white d00ds, but they're pretty Americanized and the FOBs usually stick to their own. All I know is never to pick a fight with a Viet guy because no matter what happens he'll come back with like 300 of his homies.

[Deadpool]

THis thread is funny.
Its funny because other Asians are slow to realize The Chinese are superior.
BTW whats up with the mass migration of Mandarin speaking mainlanders over here. Chinatown use to be Cantonese speaking now everyone speaks Mandarin.





every girl's dream is to have some dude throw her on the back of his horse and force her to make babies.

I personally know some girls that would agree with you completely.

[ahsingjai]

BTW whats up with the mass migration of Mandarin speaking mainlanders over here. Chinatown use to be Cantonese speaking now everyone speaks Mandarin.


San Francisco and Oakland still Cantonese strong.

[BeTheReds]

YEA YEA, and Japan should divide between Kanto and Kansai as well... then all three major Asian nations will be divided!

[SunWuKong]

Vietnamese chicks are hot. except when they're not.

that's all i got to add.

[kimpossible]

Its funny because other Asians are slow to realize The Chinese are superior.


Warms my heart to know my pretend YW life isn't always that far off from my real life.

[kyopojin]

I have met quite a few wannabe-Chinese Viets....but there was this one guy in h/s that kept telling me that Chinese were not able to be trusted and this and that and so forth. The Viet girls I know (not many) are dating Chinese and white d00ds, but they're pretty Americanized and the FOBs usually stick to their own. All I know is never to pick a fight with a Viet guy because no matter what happens he'll come back with like 300 of his homies.

Viet girls generally like to date or marry (literately throw themselves at) Chinese guys at any possible chance available,now they would consider white dudes as much.Of-course,mainland/HK/Taiwan Chinese guys overwhelmingly prefer Chinese girls plus a few exceptions would go for Korean chicks nowadays,but rarely take Viet girls seriously as marriage partners or datemates.

Viet guys have this " gangsta " mentality,it's deeply rooted in their culture.


Its funny because other Asians are slow to realize The Chinese are superior.


It's ONLY Viets not the Japanese and newly-found superiority complex-arrogant Koreans,other SE Asian couldn't care less.

It's Viets have unhealthy infactuation with " Chinese blood relation ".

kyopojin, you seem a bit too bothered by any suggestions of possible ancestral connections between Cantonese people and Vietnamese people.

I just want to get the historical records straight here and on Asian forums infested by these Viet-trolls.Yes,I make it my " noble mission " to clarify HAN Chinese and native Viet indigenous ethnicities WERE DIFFERENT ORIGINS.

Chinese men FATHERED a percentage of so-called Vietnamese-speaking ETHNIC Vietnamese population.Vietnam was one of SE Asian nations Chinemen sowered their seeds.

[LaiSteve66]

Viet guys have this " gangsta " mentality,it's deeply rooted in their culture.

This is a gross display of ignorance of Vietnamese culture.

[snailpoo]

Wow, this thread is still around?

How many times will it continue to circle the bowl before a good flush finally gets it?

[LaiSteve66]

Wow, this thread is still around?

How many times will it continue to circle the bowl before a good flush finally gets it?

I'm just as shocked as you are.

[Broomer]

THis thread is funny.
Its funny because other Asians are slow to realize The Chinese are superior.
BTW whats up with the mass migration of Mandarin speaking mainlanders over here. Chinatown use to be Cantonese speaking now everyone speaks Mandarin.



I personally know some girls that would agree with you completely.

I knew someone would agree with me. I should add that I never said anything about force though, rape is a very serious matter. I'd rather use the word "woo" where you dumped a sackful of gold and jewels that you've gatherered from the bodies of your dead enemies, a nice jug of vino from said enemies and then drink the night away (using the skulls of your enemies a cups).

Broomer

[SunWuKong]

alright i'm locking this thread down.