Do Indians feel they are asian?

[stillocean]

I must say in everyday life I don't feel Indians are 'real' asians. I know this is not right. But today to my surprise that one of my Indian co-worker said when she first time came to this country about 6 years ago, in LA airport, she found "surounded by asians, not a single Indian". So even Indians don't feel they are asian?

[LaiSteve66]

They're South Asians, so technically they are Asians it's just people associate the word Asian with East Asians.

[stillocean]

I know technically they are Asians. Question is do themselves feel they are? I used to think I was biased even insulting no to feel so, now I am kinda relieved. BTW South East Asian people also relate themselves as Asians, not just East Asians. Gee you are more biased than me! :rolleyes:

So Arabs are Caucasians, even they live in Asia they are not considered as Asians, right?

[Craig]

Isn't this the wrong message board to be asking this question as there are very few regular 'desi' posters here ? I have definitely seen and dealt with 'desi' people that think of themselves as Asian as well as quite a few that don't. Obviously the ones that I am friends with are likely to see themselves as Asian (and hence have a basis of commonality for the friendship), and those that don't probably aren't going to give me the time of day.

[stillocean]

Do not be over-reacing mate. I meant literally what I said. I am just amazed that Indian people don't think they are asian, and that's all. It's a rising of awareness of cultural difference in me.

[robotic]

east asian and south asian cultures are different, but how does that make south asians un-asian? :tongue: oh well. yeah. people have differing opinions.

[tvbdude]

they're not. they called me chink before

[Anaestacia]

^Chink is derogatory for Chinese, as far as I know. Not asians as a whole.

All of my Indian friends consider themselves Asian. There is however debate on caucasoid strains, is there not?

[stillocean]

Some times Koreans also feel offended remember the story about that Philly restaurant? Well this is an unpleasant topic lets just stop it here.

[ahsingjai]

What is this philly resturant story here?

[stillocean]

A restaurant in a dominantly white neighborhood was protested for being named Chink's Steak House. The name had been used for 50 years and came after the Jewish owner's then dead father who founded it and reportedly had slant eyes. The protest was launched and led by a Korean girl, supported by few local organizations most of which Chinese student associations. The protest was fruitless. The restaurant is famous of its cheese steak it's name can be found in several Philly's local tourist guides.

Why Rant Room? People see the title will think I hold something against Indians.

[mr. x]

i think the skin color thing is a big factor, though obviously distance is too considering east asian countries are literally close.

I mean while we do have a lot in common, the whole tradition vs. westernization thing and parental pressure to succeed, I think Indians tend to stick to their own. On the whole I think we mingle here and there but its definetely not wholesale mixing

[grimfan]

On a related note, do Polynesians consider themselves Asians?

From my experience, most Indians consider themselves black. =)

[robotic]

WE ARE ASIAN (enough) HUZZAH

i received much backlash when i questioned a group of south asians if they classified themselves as asian. "KAPOW, THIS IS D'OH" D; so yes, end of discussion.

[haplesshobo]

Isn't this the wrong message board to be asking this question as there are very few regular 'desi' posters here ? .

I would have to agree with this since the sample size of responses is going to be skewed. Of course, most of the Desi posters are going to say that they do feel they are asian. Otherwise, they wouldn't be on a forum like this. And, the Desi posters who don't feel they are asian wouldn't post on a site like this and so we wouldn't hear their responses.

[robotic]

-__-` this discussion will be the death of asian-america.

[Anaestacia]

^Can you explicate? You make it sound like it's detrimental.

i think the skin color thing is a big factor, though obviously distance is too considering east asian countries are literally close.

I mean while we do have a lot in common, the whole tradition vs. westernization thing and parental pressure to succeed, I think Indians tend to stick to their own. On the whole I think we mingle here and there but its definetely not wholesale mixing

From what I've seen, they don't seem to like each other's cultures and food. You mention Indians sticking to their own. I think East Asians tend to do so just as much if not more. I understand this is an incredibly basic generalization.

There were only a scarce few mixed east asian and south asian children that I've seen in my lifetime - one of whom is the daughter of a family friend. Their situation is unique however and both parents were born and raised in Singapore. That country, as most people know, is already an amalgamation of different cultures - so much so that the citizens bond with each other pretty much regardless of ethnicity. There seem to be derogatory remarks about the darker skinned though, still, and distinct issues that come from interracial unions. The gap is still not as wide as putting a group from India and a group from China together where they would have to live and work side by side. - unless there was a very strong goal to work towards and they are a specialized team, I doubt they would naturally gravitate towards each other.

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I'd like to know about the Polynesians too. Not settlement theories and experimental raft floatations (thanks Thor Heyerdahl), but what the people believe. They're incredibly rich in their oral histories and from the little I know, they're very aware that they arrived or originated from another land mass. I must read more.

[power puff girl]

when we have such discussions, we're just being used and divided by white people to sow divisions cause they know how strong we would be if we were united.

just read the thread about all those indians aborting girls. who says indians aren't as asian and sexist as the chinese or any other asians.

[mr. x]

well i really do think the skin thing plays a lot into it. as much as us east asians hate being treated interchangeably our similar skin tone helps explain things like the korean wave

[Filiprish]

WE ARE ASIAN (enough) HUZZAH

i received much backlash when i questioned a group of south asians if they classified themselves as asian. "KAPOW, THIS IS D'OH" D; so yes, end of discussion.
Hahaha, settle down. Agreed.

[tapestrybabe]

OH man, if anyone knows
anything about newport/pavonia area
in jersey city, nj...
OH man, ppl will know how
populated that place is with indians...
billboards advertising about living there...
target the right audience...
by placing an indian woman on the cover...

anyhow i had been out with a bunch of ppl for dinner...
the crew consisted of koreans, vietnamese and indians...
and one of the indian guys...
who lives in the pavonia area...
he was talking about the development of the place...
saying-- look at it now...
it being just populated by asians....
indians just taking over the place...

so yeah, indians do feel like their asian...
well, at least that one guy does...

[BestChinese]

India are not Asians! They are a complete different people! I personally do not have any India friend and I don't associate with them!

[kuilong]

Wow, people getting into such a debate over a word. Definitions are our slaves, not our masters.

[Filiprish]

Indians are Asian b/c the UK says so. :smile:

[BestChinese]

Indians are Asian b/c the UK says so. :smile:

No they are not! And FUCK ENGLAND!

[yuuteya]

WE ARE ASIAN (enough) HUZZAH

i received much backlash when i questioned a group of south asians if they classified themselves as asian. "KAPOW, THIS IS D'OH" D; so yes, end of discussion.

-__-` this discussion will be the death of asian-america.

im wondering why you are concerned about death of asian-america, when you are from canada arent you? how is pan-asian situation outside america? is it better or worse than america? the canadians, british, australians, new zealanders, and other parts of british commonwealth are conceded to consider indians as asians, isnt it?

so i think this discussions is existing in this site because it is a United States of America site with USA ideas about the world. but there are substantial non-american minority presence in here since it is internet, so maybe the other countries dont have the same categorization system as the USA. is this really about an asian categorization problem in and of itself, or is this really about an american way of looking at the world contrasting and conflicting with other countries ways of looking at the world.

[DragonKnight]

Sheesh, I guess all those Buddhists aren't practicing an Asian religion if Indians aren't considered Asian (Siddhartha Gautama, those 'true Asians' no longer consider you Asian). Nor are those practicing Hinduism. With this in mind, curry is no longer an Asian dish.

...so, what was the use of this thread again? :rolleyes:

[kasia]

in los angeles, south asians consider themselves as part of the asian community. especially after the support that we gave the south asian community after 9/11, they've become a powerful political voice for us.

[Filiprish]

...so, what was the use of this thread again? :rolleyes:
Agreed. Saying Indians aren't Asian is immature.

stillocean, are you saying East and South Asians aren't kindred, not like-minded?

Actually I always considered SE Asians links between East and South Asians.

[haplesshobo]

the canadians, british, australians, new zealanders, and other parts of british commonwealth are conceded to consider indians as asians, isnt it?

.

My understanding is that the British make a distinction between Southeast Asians such as Indians vs. other asians. They call Indians Asians, and call Chinese, Japanese, etc.. Oriental.

[ColinB]

India are not Asians! They are a complete different people! I personally do not have any India friend and I don't associate with them!

There are 12 Indians in my immediate team (one from Uganda who is now of Swedish nationality) who think they are Asian. I will let them know they are mistaken.

[soapzen]

Anthropologically, Indians and Pakistanis are traditionally classified as "caucasoid" (of the 3 skull classifications) or caucasian.

Indians DNA shares more traits with Europeans than East Asians. Their genetic variance is 3.3 times greater from East Asians than Italians, and 2.9 times farther from Chinese than English.

Historically, Indians primarily descend from ancient Aryan invaders from the NW and tribal minorities which are hard to categorize. The Aryans were caucasian.

Linguistically, Indians speak an Indo-European language, a linguistic family that English also belongs to. The debates of orgins of the language center around Eastern Europe or Turkey.

Geographically, India and Pakistani are on the continent of Asia (which also includes Syria, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Iraq) per universally accepted geographic definitions of the continent of Asia.
However, the Himilayan mountains (dividing caucasoid India from mongoloid Tibet) is one of the most effective geological divides in the world... one of the toughest barriers to intermarriages and cultural contact anywhere.

The US Federal Government's official racial classifications list Indians and Pakistani's as Asian. This due to 'social political' characterization, and the buddhist religion having originated in India.

Culturally, India has more in common with middle eastern cultures (cuisine, taste in music and movies) than East Asian cultures, according to Dinesh D'Souza, author of bestseller "What's So Great About America".

So they are one of the few 'groups' who really can classify themselves. They can be either 'middle eastern' (considered caucasian and thus not a minority), or 'asian' (identifying with their geographic region).

From personal observation, they appear 'split'. Some consider themselves asian, others do not.

[robotic]

why is it the death of asian-america? :biggrin:

- it demands exclusion of south asians from the asian community
- we've had this discussion many a time
- it's really okay to tell our indian folks what to identify with. right? RIGHT?!? :tongue: because it's pretty black and white, like i learnt from this discussion :wink: :tongue:

[ahsingjai]

I think some people just think that the cultural aspects of south asians are very different from east asians or even south east asians so their political goals might be different.

But I don't relate to the asian word much so I don't really care. Chinese got their own issues, while Indians, Vietnamese, Koreans, Japanese and etc got their own.

[robotic]

maybe this question arises because y'alls don't feel comfortable being associated - anywhere - near indians or south asians :biggrin: or maybe it's just a term for the elite which brown people have no right over ._.

[yuuteya]

But I don't relate to the asian word much so I don't really care.why not?

maybe this question arises because y'alls don't feel comfortable being associated - anywhere - near indians or south asians or maybe it's just a term for the elite which brown people have no right over ._.hypothetically speaking, as a non-american, if you had a choice to keep south asian americans in an iffy so-so situation inside asian america, or have south asians americans be their own clear independent political force apart from asian america, which do you choose?

since you are in canada, can you confirm, dont the indocanadians have a more independent poiltical power by themselves over there? they seem separate from chinese and japanese groups? they seem to be powerful enough on their own that they dont need so much influence from the east asian camp. sikhs, gujarati, punjabi, bangla, etc, even from the diaspora like uganda, trinidad, etc, they seem more cohesive independently? they have already achieve high national and provincial government positions as indo-canadians/south asians by themselves, without as much east asian influence, it seems. for example the provincial primier (ie. state governor) of british columbia was indo canadian from the left wing socialist party wasnt he.

could this be a factor of the commonwealth experience of indocanadians/south asians being in a more stronger position in british situation, compared to the american situation.

what about new zealand and australia?

[kuilong]

for example the provincial primier (ie. state governor) of british columbia was indo canadian from the left wing socialist party wasnt he.

Ujjal Dosanjh, yes. He's since left the NDP and been elected from some Vancouver riding as a Liberal, and appointed to the ministry. Health, I think.

Apparently he was still really popular, but everybody hated the NDP government. Parliamentary democracy at work!

[Chad]

maybe this question arises because y'alls don't feel comfortable being associated - anywhere - near indians or south asians :biggrin: or maybe it's just a term for the elite which brown people have no right over ._.
I agree.. this is basically what it boils down to. This has been debated over and over again.
Consider the "pan-Asian" identity debates where it is pointed out that many Asian Americans really have nothing in common with each other. How much does a Chinese American doctor in NYC have in common with a Vietnamese American fisherman in Alabama? If we're going to throw these people into the same category then surely people from South Asia will also fit.

[ColinB]

My Indian colleagues are of the opinion that they are Asian. Two are also of the opinion that they are also British and one is Gujerati and Swedish and European in that order. Her family was from Uganda originally.

[wucifer]

NO, they are a superior race with superior religion! :eek:

[Filiprish]

I could've sworn we had this convo 5 times already. Same result everytime. :rolleyes:

[deez nuts]

indians don't use chopsticks; so no, they are not asian.

[yoMAMA]

indians don't use chopsticks; so no, they are not asian.

deez nuts' chopstick test.

[Teymour]

On a side not, is not the term "Asian" Middle Eastern in origin?

Etymology
The word Asia entered English, via Latin, from Ancient Greek Ασία (Asia; see also List of traditional Greek place names). This name is first attested in Herodotus (c. 440 BC), where it refers to Asia Minor; or, for the purposes of describing the Persian Wars, to the Persian Empire, as opposed to Greece and Egypt. Even before Herodotus, Homer knew of a Trojan ally named Asios, son of Hyrtacus, a ruler over several towns, and elsewhere he describes a marsh as ασιος (Iliad 2, 461). The Greek term may be derived from Assuwa, a 14th century BC confederation of states in Western Anatolia. Hittite assu- "good" is probably an element in that name.

Alternatively, the ultimate etymology of the term may be from the Akkadian word (w)aṣû(m), cognate of Hebrew יצא, which means "to go out" or "to ascend", referring to the direction of the sun at sunrise in the Middle East. This may be contrasted to a similar etymology proposed for Europe, as being from Semitic erēbu "to enter" or "set" (of the sun). These etymologies presuppose an originally Mesopotamian or Middle Eastern perspective, which would not explain how the term "Asia" first came to be associated with Anatolia as lying west of the Semitic speaking area.

Lastly, the name Asia is also derived from the Phoenician word "asa" meaning east, relative to the Phoenician word "ereb", the basis of the name Europe.

[Vikas]

In short: Indian culture, religion and migration is prevalant in SEA. Plus Buddhist in EA. Sanskrit was the language of scholars, court, priests etc. in SEA, Tibet, Mongolia etc. Large portion of koreans claim descent from an Indian princess. Japanese are quite friendly people and useful allies. We now have good economic and military ties with almost all asian nations now. People who complain about Indians are usually personal failures. We own a large portion of the economy in HK, Singapore etc. and Indian talent in various fields are recruited worldwide to Japan, America, Israel etc. Economy is booming at a fast pace and large portion of Silicon valley people are Indians.

I don't mind if Indians have a seperate political category cuz we'll soon be the biggest "asian" group in a few years. In short, India and Indians are moving foward while you still have this lame discussion about mongoloid unity and geography. Another disappointing forum with mostly chinese people in it, so I'm leaving this lame forum. This is why you don't have any Indians here, like that makes a difference. Bye Bye..:biggrin:

[kimpossible]

LOL. Chinese vs. Indian showdown!!

You guys have better music.

[haplesshobo]

Plus Buddhist in EA:

I never understood this argument, that since Buddihism arose in India and was adopted or influenced the other asian countries, that this necessairly proved that Indians and the rest of the Asian countries were somehow the same group of people.

First of all, every Indian I've personally known was never a Buddhist. They were always Hindu or Christian (you could usually tell by their last name). Sure, Buddihism originated in India, but its not as popular in India as it is in other Asian countries. Its not even among the three most popular religions in India. Hinduism has around 80%, Islam has around 13%, and Christainity is third most popular religion with only 2-2.5%.

Or, let's try to use that same logic to other religions. Islam arose in the Middleeast, and is mostly followed by Arabs. But, as I pointed out, there are many Indians who also follow Islam. Does that mean that Indians and Arabs are somehow the same group of people? What about Christainity, which arose in the Middleast. Does that make Europeans the same people as Middleastern, especially when the rest of the Middleast rejected Christainity.

[Go-Lee]

wtf, indians are arabs and blacks. And East Asia is Christian! There are no buddhists of that hindoo religion..

all asians are Chinese!

[kimpossible]

all asians are Chinese!

another draftee for Team BestChinese. report to captain deez nuts.

[Teymour]

I don't mind if Indians have a seperate political category cuz we'll soon be the biggest "asian" group in a few years. In short, India and Indians are moving foward while you still have this lame discussion about mongoloid unity and geography. Another disappointing forum with mostly chinese people in it, so I'm leaving this lame forum. This is why you don't have any Indians here, like that makes a difference. Bye Bye..:biggrin:



I agree with you 100%!!!

Amen to that...:wink:

Or, let's try to use that same logic to other religions. Islam arose in the Middleeast, and is mostly followed by Arabs. But, as I pointed out, there are many Indians who also follow Islam. Does that mean that Indians and Arabs are somehow the same group of people?



Afew points:

1) Most Moslems are NOT Arabic in origin. Only about 20% are. Last I checked, the biggest "Islamic" country was Indonesia...

2) Indians may not be Arabs, but nor are Persians, Turks, etc.

3) From the average American's standpoint, Arabs, Persians, Turks and Indians ARE Arabs...Don't ask me why.:rolleyes:

[hooligan]

Let's put it this way. Indians (or south Asians) were Asians/Orientals before east Asians were Asians/Orientals. The question would better be asked, should east Asians be considered Asians?

[raacluse]

To learn more about Indian Americans, read this report at the IACfPA website:

http://www.iacfpa.org/press/iacpa_census.pdf

(Don't know if there's anything equivalent for Pakistanis and other So. Asian groups.)

[robotic]

Let's put it this way. Indians (or south Asians) were Asians/Orientals before east Asians were Asians/Orientals. The question would better be asked, should east Asians be considered Asians?

heheh, i'm sorry dudes, but good point ^_^

you won't hear south asians questioning east asians "Asianity"

[Maru_chan]

my indian friends consider themselves asian. most of them dnt jus say asian theyll say im indian sumtimes and asian sumtimes or indian asian.

[ColinB]

my indian friends consider themselves asian. most of them dnt jus say asian theyll say im indian sumtimes and asian sumtimes or indian asian.

Or lots of other prefixes or suffixes, but all with Asian in there. Yes.

[draconisz]

I have spoken with one Indian-American woman. Now, this is only one woman. She said that for the most part Indians and other South-Asians don't feel like they are Asian. They don't feel like East Asians accept them.

I haven't talked to Indians much about this. I have spoken to a few who strongly believe in an African connection. I guess this is an interesting question to pose to my Indian friends.



I know technically they are Asians. Question is do themselves feel they are? I used to think I was biased even insulting no to feel so, now I am kinda relieved. BTW South East Asian people also relate themselves as Asians, not just East Asians. Gee you are more biased than me! :rolleyes:

So Arabs are Caucasians, even they live in Asia they are not considered as Asians, right?

[Filiprish]

Filipinos get along very well w/ Indians and other South Asians, even though Filipinos call them "bombais", which is both a derogatory and friendly term.

[draconisz]

I seem to remember that from college. We had a few Filipinos at the Computing Center. But twice as many Indians. We used to party often.

Filipinos get along very well w/ Indians and other South Asians, even though Filipinos call them "bombais", which is both a derogatory and friendly term.

[ColinB]

I seem to remember that from college. We had a few Filipinos at the Computing Center. But twice as many Indians. We used to party often.

The indians I know don't like to party. I thought everybody likes to party?

[draconisz]

Well, back in the old days, I worked with a whole bunch of Asians. Of the groupings most were Chinese, then there were Indians, then Filipinos, then Koreans. There were a smattering of "Whites" and "Blacks", though most of the "Whites" were in management positions. There were also a couple of Latinos.

So the place was always kind of jumping. We made up reasons to have a party every other week.

As for asking Indian friends. . .I have one friend who is half-Afghan and half-Indian. He ids as being Afghan. The other guy. . .well. . .the conversation was a bit confusing.

The indians I know don't like to party. I thought everybody likes to party?

[BBChinese]

In Britain when one refers to Asian - They actually mean Indian/Pakistani origin.

I know a few Indian/Pakistani people and although they do not feel as they belong to the same group the majority of them believe culturally we have many similarities. Afterall Buddism came from Indian!!

[draconisz]

The thing I don't understand is that in the original the Race Theory Indians were supposed to be caucasian.

But then there was like a landmark court decision that said that while Indians were caucasian, they could not be referred to as "White".

Man, racism is really freaky.

http://academic.udayton.edu/race/01race/White05.htm


1923 U.S. v. Thind not White common knowledge, congressional intent
1923 U.S. v. Akhaykumar Mozumdar not White legal precedent
1925 U.S. v. Ali not White** common knowledge
1928 U.S. v. Gokhale not White legal precedent
1939 Wadia v. U.S not White common knowledge
1942 Kharaiti Ram Samras v. U.S not White legal precede

In Britain when one refers to Asian - They actually mean Indian/Pakistani origin.

I know a few Indian/Pakistani people and although they do not feel as they belong to the same group the majority of them believe culturally we have many similarities. Afterall Buddism came from Indian!!

[Vedic_Warrior]

Culturally, India has more in common with middle eastern cultures (cuisine, taste in music and movies) than East Asian cultures, according to Dinesh D'Souza, author of bestseller "What's So Great About America".



I can't believe you would quote Dinesh D'Souza on anything having to do with Indians. For god's sake, D'Souza is the same guy who thinks India was better off under the British.......:eek:

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Man, all the Indian Muslims I know don't even like Middle Eastern food ...

[Vinit]

Just as Greece is the inspiration for the craddle of european civilization, likewise India is the inspiration for the craddle of asian civilization for language, culture, religion, martial arts, education and so on. In any case I consider myself Indian first and if orientals consider themselves asian or not is up to them.

[Teymour]

Man, all the Indian Muslims I know don't even like Middle Eastern food...



I imagine it has much to do with what parts of India they originate from as well. In Berkeley, California, there are ALOT of South Asian markets, and many try to sell a South Asian/Middle Eastern mix.

Most Indians I know, Hindu and Moslem alike, find Near Eastern cuisine to be insufficiently "spicey", and perhaps too bland for there taste. Likewise, most Middle Easterners find South Asian cuisine too hot for their liking.

Growing-up eating "Persian" alot, it was always amusing to me that Indians and Iranians use the same rice(basmati). It is what they put on top of the rice that is just so different.:biggrin:

Just as Greece is the inspiration for the craddle of european civilization, likewise India is the inspiration for the craddle of asian civilization for language, culture, religion, martial arts, education and so on. In any case I consider myself Indian first and if orientals consider themselves asian or not is up to them.

I would love to hear a Chinese take on that conclusion!:eek:

[ahsingjai]

India is the inspiration for the craddle of asian civilization for language, culture, religion, martial arts, education and so on.

lol wtf?

:rolleyes: We the middle kingdom.

[Paradox]

Just as Greece is the inspiration for the craddle of european civilization, likewise India is the inspiration for the craddle of asian civilization for language, culture, religion, martial arts, education and so on. In any case I consider myself Indian first and if orientals consider themselves asian or not is up to them.
It's true that indians influenced a lot of Asia with Buddhism and art however those things were in turn greatly changed by existing asian culture. You can see how much buddhism changed when it became intertwined with eastern philosophy. Asian martial arts is pretty unrecognizable from anything that exists in India. As far as art and writing goes the greatest impact india had was in SE Asian countries otherwise the rest of Asia developed separately from indo-european roots.

Most Asian kingdoms came about wholely separate from India unless you are talking about Thai history and the Ayuthuya Kingdom.

Btw, Greece was influenced by middle eastern civilizations too.

[robotic]

I would love to hear a Chinese take on that conclusion!:eek:

hey man, you spoke too soon :biggrin:


lol wtf?

:rolleyes: We the middle kingdom.

[Teymour]

hey man, you spoke too soon :biggrin:

Hey Bro!!!:wink:

They don't call me CAPTAIN OBVIOUS for nothing!!!:biggrin:

[robotic]

conclusion to this thread:

q: do indians feel they are asian?

a: no, they are asian. how rhetoric. :D



indians, chinese and every ethnicity in asia can still be asian, and live in peace. show them the fist powa.

[soulman386]

I don't think indian men want to be lumped in with "asian" men. If you haven't noticed there's no interracial dating disparity for them. White girls really go for indian guys. They've got the "asian" qualities of intelligence and good work ethic PLUS the chicks :smile:

[mr. x]

I don't think indian men want to be lumped in with "asian" men. If you haven't noticed there's no interracial dating disparity for them.
actually I have noticed :rolleyes:

[Vinit]

Most Asian kingdoms came about wholely separate from India unless you are talking about Thai history and the Ayuthuya Kingdom.

Priests, traders, princes, administrators, settlers etc. migrated to SEA from India to set up the early kingdoms such as the Khmer union between an Indian Prince and Khmer Princess (most of SEA+Yunnan) Java, etc. You can even see the Indian features among the Elite members of the society on the stone statues with an almost exact copy of Indian art+architecture. Later Indian control of Malaysia, Indonesia and tributes from Burma, Thailand, Cambodia was attained until the 13th century.

Most people of SEA still worship Hindu gods and retain Hindu customs along with Buddhism. And unlike some nations, we're not making any territorial claims to them just because of history. :wink:

Then there was some Korean dynasty jointly founded by an Indian princess as some topic here mentioned...

[Napoleon Chynamite]

I don't think indian men want to be lumped in with "asian" men. If you haven't noticed there's no interracial dating disparity for them. White girls really go for indian guys. They've got the "asian" qualities of intelligence and good work ethic PLUS the chicks :smile:

Like I've been sayin' all along, it's all about the brown sugar. Not too white, not too black, etc. etc.

[pikachupacabra]

actually I have noticed :rolleyes:


Hah! You're in "Man" Jose, of course you'd notice it :biggrin:

[Paradox]

Priests, traders, princes, administrators, settlers etc. migrated to SEA from India to set up the early kingdoms such as the Khmer union between an Indian Prince and Khmer Princess (most of SEA+Yunnan) Java, etc. You can even see the Indian features among the Elite members of the society on the stone statues with an almost exact copy of Indian art+architecture. Later Indian control of Malaysia, Indonesia and tributes from Burma, Thailand, Cambodia was attained until the 13th century.

Indeed, I already mentioned that SE asian countries were influenced by India however you might want to change your post to "influenced" rather than controlled. The early Mon people were a mix of what we know as khmer, thai, indian, and burmese people who were united under the Dvaravati civilization which was influenced by indian culture and Theravada Buddhism. There were indian immigrants, settlers, and merchants but they did not enjoy any particularly elite position in the hierarchy compared with the other Mon people.

The Khmer civilization took over after a short period after the Dvaravati and Srivijaya. They were like their predecessors influenced by indian culture and religion but it was run by ethnic Khmer people who controlled the water and trade routes going through SE Asia from india and China.

The transition to the Sukhothai kingdom (11th-14th century) under the thai King Ramkhamhaeng was the first time a "majority" thai kingdom first came into power. That's when the SE asian nations started to divide themselves up more according to ethnic boundaries.


Most people of SEA still worship Hindu gods and retain Hindu customs along with Buddhism. And unlike some nations, we're not making any territorial claims to them just because of history. :wink:

No, but Indians certainly do kick up a big fuss over territorial claims with the Pakistanis. :wink:

[Vinit]

Dvaravati was only from 6th to the 10th century in Thailand. You did not read my post. :rolleyes:

Large part of SEA was directly controlled by Chola dynasty up till 13th century.

No, but Indians certainly do kick up a big fuss over territorial claims with the Pakistanis.

Again, you did not read my post and make such irrelavent cheap shots. :rolleyes:

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Wait a sec, you're chinese. Why the heck am I wasting time on you. Away I go...

[robotic]

let's not turn this into a indian vs. chinese thing ._. please.

why are we battling for superiority?

we're all asians ;D

(forgive me if this comes out sarcastically, because it wasn't meant to be :x it means just this: no strive for superiority!)

[grimfan]

I don't think indian men want to be lumped in with "asian" men. If you haven't noticed there's no interracial dating disparity for them. White girls really go for indian guys. They've got the "asian" qualities of intelligence and good work ethic PLUS the chicks

I don't know what bubble you live in, but where I live (Vancouver), where there are lots of Indians, their image is nowhere near as positive as you claim.

Indians are stereotyped as:

1) Parsimonious, maybe even crooked, businessmen

2) 24/7 curry eaters

3) the world's worst accent (second to maybe only Chinese)

4) young indians = gang members

5) surrey (a large suburb) = browntown... stay away!

6) interracial dating/marriage = death

7) arranged marriages

I don't agree with any of the stereotypes, but they do exist.

[kuilong]

So even Indians don't feel they are asian?

Hang on, I'll ask at the next worldwide Indian Meeting.

[SunWuKong]

are you all done with this dumb thread yet?

oh well, doesn't matter. i'm closing it.

[SunWuKong]

i'm going to keep this thread closed. but i wanted to post this up:

http://www.indiansareasian.com/