Asian Americans backed Davis by nearly 2-1 margin

[achtungbaby]

By Gary Scott, Staff Writer
LOS ANGELES

Asian Americans in Los Angeles and Orange counties voted by an almost 2-to-1 margin for Gov. Gray Davis over Republican rival Bill Simon Jr., according to a study conducted by the Asian Pacific American Legal Center of Southern California.

The study also found that Asian Americans locally favor the Democratic Party as a whole although less so than African- American and Latino voters and choose candidates based on their views on education, the economy, health care and views on immigrant rights.

The findings were presented Wednesday at a press conference held at APALC's headquarters on Wilshire Boulevard. Stewart Kwoh, executive director and president of APALC, said a more comprehensive look at the exit polling data will be released early next year. At that point, differences in socioeconomic status and nationality will be evaluated.

full story (http://www.sgvtribune.com/Stories/0,1413,205%257E12220%257E977765,00.html)

[VV o n g B a]

how much of this is due to the 80-20 initiative do u think?

[ChinaLama]

80-20 has a strong presence in California, especially LA and somewhat in San Francisco.
However, since the national organization is focused on the Presidential election, I'm not sure how active local chapters have been in campaigning for or endorsing any candidates. If the LA chapter had endorses Davis, then I think 80-20's track record shows that it is can effective garner the vote for Davis.


When 80-20 had only been in existence for about a year, they got Gore a 70% of the APA vote in 2000 among the APA community in CA, and 66% of the APA vote in the country as a whole. The APA community, before 80-20, had voted close to 50-50 for Bush in '92 and Clinton in '96.

Anyway, if anyone's interested in learning more about 80-20, their site is:

www.80-20initiative.net

Basic principle outlined in: http://www.80-20initiative.net/explain.htm

and achievements in: http://www.80-20initiative.net/unity1.html

[Hito]

I wonder if it wouldnt be more effective to support a thrid party option like the Greens?

[ChinaLama]

I don't want to sound cynical, but my personal feeling is to ALWAYS go for either Dems or Reps. Third parties are never going to achieve national power-- at least in the forseeable future or unless one of the two just becomes total dipshit (which i doubt because both modern parties have impressive machinery in place). And if as a minority we want politicians to pay attention to OUR concerns, then we need to be able to entice them with our votes, and hold out the implicit punishment of voting for another party. If we consistently vote for a small party, then Dems and Reps will have no incentive to go for us (i mean, if we're not gonna vote for them anyway, why should they bother?)

Then again, perhaps just demonstrating we have the ability to bloc-vote may get the attention of the major parties, so perhaps my analysis just now is dumb. :(

I used to believe it'd be "cool" to vote for small parties, and i used to feel it was insulting and antithetical to our individualistic, Jeffersonian ideals to tell people they're "wasting" their vote. But I realize as a member of a minority politicians don't care THAt much about, I can't afford to just vote for my personal preference, because with all of our different preferences, our votes will all be split, and no politician will pay attention to our common concerns.

[loserbutt]

I seriously seriously considered voting for the green party this election because I was so pissed off at the democratic leadership. These guys were a bunch of pansies, they gave in to everything bush wanted, tax cuts, war on iraq, you name it bush got it. Then I went to the voting booth and there were no green party candidates running :) oh well, if the dems don't shape up by 2004 theres at least Nader

[VV o n g B a]

in my state (AL) i was gonna vote for the liberatarian candidate for governor, but i didn't register in time. he was actually my micro econ teacher at auburn.

i also live 15 mins away from baldwin county. those jokers couldn't get the vote count right even after seeing what happened to florida and now we're stuck w/ both reps and dems claiming victory. bunch of worthless do nothings...

[Hiroshi2]

I also live in Alabama, and I would've went for Siegelman. No way would I have went for Riley, he's too....well, I don't like Republicans anyway. Riley doesn't have a plan for this state, he's just one of the good 'ol boys.........

[ChinaLama]

one of my hs classmates dreams of running for prez. even tho hes a GOPer, i'd vote for him if he does end up running.

[mrazntre]

I didnt' vote for him. Look at what he's done to California for the past 4 years.

BASTID!

[Reinhard H.]

Didn't Arnold Schwarzenegger want to run for governor of California in 2006?

[ChinaLama]

Originally posted by Reinhard H.@Nov 10 2002, 06:49 AM
Didn't Arnold Schwarzenegger want to run for governor of California in 2006?
"Didn't?" I think he's still considering.

Well even tho Arnie always plays dumb heroes or heroes who are only smart at fighting, I don't necessarily think he's too incompetent to be governor. The Foreigner aspect may kick in, though. Even tho he plays macho American heroes, he's also associated w/ a heavy Austrian accent. But whatever, Arnie should follow in the Gipper's footsteps. First an actor, then Cali governor, then the President!

[Hiroshi2]

Originally posted by ChinaLama@Nov 10 2002, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by Reinhard H.@Nov 10 2002, 06:49 AM
Didn't Arnold Schwarzenegger want to run for governor of California in 2006?
"Didn't?" I think he's still considering.

Well even tho Arnie always plays dumb heroes or heroes who are only smart at fighting, I don't necessarily think he's too incompetent to be governor. The Foreigner aspect may kick in, though. Even tho he plays macho American heroes, he's also associated w/ a heavy Austrian accent. But whatever, Arnie should follow in the Gipper's footsteps. First an actor, then Cali governor, then the President!
If President Bush can be *ahem* appointed to President of the United States, then ol' Arnie can be governor of Cali :P

[gargamehl]

Sorry to sound selfish, but I care about MY life, not some random person's in Iraq. If it really would stop someone fr having the potential ability to kill ME by warring w/ him, then I'm all for it.

Doesn't this line of thinking excuse people for killing you as well? If the U.S. presents itself as a threat to the preservation of other nations then couldn't those nations use the excuse of "First Strike" to launch attacks on the U.S.?

Our safety is not determined by our ability to strike first. This is evident in the number of guns in the U.S. Do you really feel any safer?

It is easy to make war and lob a bomb at some unseen enemy. To see them as humans is the difficult part and requires our courage. Yes I live on the west coast, but proximity to some threat supported by unfounded fears lead to the incarceration of 120,000 Japanese Americans during World War II. That way of thinking shouldn't be acceptable in a Democracy.

The same language is used to incite fear in our citizenry to support any policy that the government sees fit. The most absurd part about the discussion of war is that it's being debated before we even know if there is a threat. Let the weapons inspectors do their jobs. Freedom and democracy are a slow process for policing. It has to be. There is a faster way to do it. It's called fascism.

No doubt that Saddam Hussein has to go, but regime change in the Bush administration's eyes only means leadership change. That means that the Iraqis will still be under the rule of an oppressive government. Replacing one dictator for another doesn't solve anyone's problems except those whose pocketbooks get lined from the "cooperative dictator's" national policies. Look what happened in Indonesia, Chile, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Iraq... Our policy to support dictators in these regions has led to the suffering of the innocent civilians.

It's time for the U.S. to think critically before it acts. All we ask is for Bush to either show us the proof of the weapons or show a proof of action after the war that would lead to the improvement of the lives of Iraqis via some sort of Marshall Plan. This is the same problem we face in Afghanistan. Noboby asks how the people of Afghanistan are now that we've replaced the Taliban with a coalition of warlords. This could go on and on and the result is a world that is even more unsafe.

[Chris]

I think for the most part 80-20 was a great set of voting block for Davis. But there was a lot of disgruntle voters otu there this year like me. Hence I didn't vote for governor.

[MellowDrama]

Originally posted by ChinaLama@Nov 10 2002, 12:02 PM
"Didn't?" I think he's still considering.

Well even tho Arnie always plays dumb heroes or heroes who are only smart at fighting, I don't necessarily think he's too incompetent to be governor. The Foreigner aspect may kick in, though. Even tho he plays macho American heroes, he's also associated w/ a heavy Austrian accent. But whatever, Arnie should follow in the Gipper's footsteps. First an actor, then Cali governor, then the President!
One technicality: To be President, you must be a native-born American citizen. Arnold became a citizen by marrying a Kennedy! :lol: