Panethnic Asians?

[MellowDrama]

I've noticed a lot more Asian kids of mixed ethnicity lately, i.e. Vietnamese-Thai, Filipino-Korean, etc. My little cousin is Filipino Chinese (dad's Filipino-Am, mom's Chinese-Am), and my friends (Vietnamese wife, Chinese husband) just had a kid. And I know some guy at school who's Vietnamese and Thai. I think I remember reading it somewhere in the SF Examiner that couples like this are a recent development in America (with all due respect to Hawaii, of course) and are growing. What are your thoughts on this? Good? Bad? And what are the long run implications of this?

[BeTheReds]

Rare.

But good.

[MellowDrama]

This is in the Hapa forum? I never thought of it like that, but yeah, you're right. :o They're sorta "hidden" Hapas I guess cuz people usually just assume they're just one ethnicity. :lol:

[deez nuts]

Chinese guy pratically engaged to a Korean woman, here.

Gah I can't believe I just said that. I think I'm gonna go cry now. :cry:

[seryb]

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Nov 7 2002, 05:11 AM
Chinese guy pratically engaged to a Korean woman, here.

Gah I can't believe I just said that. I think I'm gonna go cry now. :cry:
Hehe...I know what you mean. I'm Lao and I'm practically engaged to a Filipina. :unsure:

[deez nuts]

Yes that word engaged is very hard to say........gah I said it again!

[DaBestSpooner]

hong kong\toisan mutt-japanese couple here

[kimpossible]

I'm Irish/Japanese and practically married to Taiwanese for 3 years. Yeah, that was a goodnatured dig at you commitment-phobes. Don't hurt me.

[seryb]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Nov 6 2002, 11:40 PM
Rare.

But good.
You really think it's rare? I thought it was pretty common.

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by seryb@Nov 7 2002, 03:19 PM

You really think it's rare? I thought it was pretty common.
I don't know anyone like that.

[deez nuts]

I know quite a few friends in this scenerio. Not sure how common it is, overall. But it's almost 50/50 amongst my circle of friends that are married or getting married.

[lethal]

I think its a more recent phenomenon. My Aunt's married to a Chinese guy, so they have Viet/Chin kids. They do look completely Chinese though.

I'm practically engaged to my Chinese-Am gf (I'm Viet-Am).

I've seen it a lot more now than I used to. Perhaps it is because people now in their 20s are a bit further from their culture and don't feel the need to marry someone of the same ethnicity, but still relate better to a fellow Asian American than someone of a different race, possibly due to similar upbringings. Its hard to say and quite speculative unless someone wants to go do some social research on the topic.

[Chris]

Im still going through my family history to figure out if I got some malay in me. Chances are I might have some malay in me. But my family continues to say im hakka chinese. But my dad side of the family is a lot darker than my mom side. Most people agreed I am darker than most. Oh well. Im rambling.

[AliBabaIncorporated]

used to date a half-chinese half-japanese girl back in frosh year. she was pretty much americanized though. actually my school also has a half-chinese half-japanese guy who is entirely taiwanized and barely speaks Japanese, and a half-chinese half-japanese girl who is entirely japanized and barely speaks Chinese. kinda symmetrical, i guess. but we don't have that many other asian-asian mixed.

[Craig]

I have mixed Asian ethnic background and so do a few of my friends. Unintentionally, we may have found each other during our university days because we were too sick of the exclusive isolationist behaviour of others. However, since most of us are Chinese and some neighboring ethnicity, I don't think the intraracial mixing was too rare in the past.

[Arex]

I know a decent amount of "Asian mutts." One of my close friends is 1/2 Chinese, 1/2 Japanese. One of my other close friends is allegedly 1/4 Chinese, 1/4 Japanese, 1/4 Korean, and 1/4 Philipino. My ex is 3/4 Vietnamese, 1/8 Indian, 1/8 Chinese. I know a girl from law school who's 1/2 Korean, 1/2 Chinese.

Alex

[Hiroshi2]

I think it is somewhat rare. Or at least maybe not entirely tolerated. If you think back at all the years of Asian history, you will see that many Asian nations did not get along at all. So I think it is a bit interesting to see people who are mixed Chinese/Japanese or Korean/Thai or whatever.

I did know one person who was Chinese/Vietmanese, though.

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Originally posted by Hiroshi2@Nov 9 2002, 06:52 AM
If you think back at all the years of Asian history, you will see that many Asian nations did not get along at all.
Not much more recently than Russians were oppressing the Polish, Germans running over the Frenchies, etc.

[Faithless]

Originally posted by MellowDrama@Nov 6 2002, 11:02 PM
I've noticed a lot more Asian kids of mixed ethnicity lately, i.e. Vietnamese-Thai, Filipino-Korean, etc. My little cousin is Filipino Chinese (dad's Filipino-Am, mom's Chinese-Am), and my friends (Vietnamese wife, Chinese husband) just had a kid. And I know some guy at school who's Vietnamese and Thai. I think I remember reading it somewhere in the SF Examiner that couples like this are a recent development in America (with all due respect to Hawaii, of course) and are growing. What are your thoughts on this? Good? Bad? And what are the long run implications of this?
It can only be good. How can it ever be bad? Unless you're some Asian purest or something. :frown:

[BeTheReds]

Well just as long as the person in question doesn't wrongfully claim to be an expert on both cultures or something. Or think that they are more unique than unique.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

I know quite a few Chinese/Japanese and a couple Chinese/Korean and a lotta Chinese/Vietnamese. A lot of Filipinos I know also have 1/4 or 1/8 Chinese blood. I knew a girl from Hawaii who was Korean/Japanese and my friend has two friends who are brothers who are Filipino/Japanese. These people are all about my age, give or take a few years.

[Faithless]

I guess it could be bad if one started mixing languages mid diatribe. Diu Bakatare Nei!

[myself808]

I think that it's a direct result of being born in America. As generations become more Americanized, it becomes less important to have your potential mate be of the same ethnicity, whereas your parents/grandparents would not be entirely pleased if you brought home someone not of your specific ancestry. Or look at it this way. You are an ABA, and you are not much attracted to non-asians. Since you are in the US, you are exposed to different asian ethnicities, as opposed to, say, being in Korea where its pretty much all Korean people. So the short answer to why mixed Asians occur in the US is: because they are there. And the attitude that Chinese should only date/marry other Chinese is a bit racist don't you think?

Long term effect? Mixed asians become the norm rather than the exception, (as it is here in Hawaii) further causing society at large to perceive "Asians" as one ethnicity, yet as each ethinicity tries to retain its culture, it becomes more open to allow for those who are mixed. (wasn't there a couple threads about this once, "Asian Community" or "having to explain your ethnicity") IMO the only ones who care about distinguishing between different types of Asians are the Asians themselves. At the very least you can tell your grandparents: "Hey at least he/she isn't white" (sorry myself couldn't resist)

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by myself808@Jun 10 2003, 12:01 PM
And the attitude that Chinese should only date/marry other Chinese is a bit racist don't you think?


How about the attitude that Asians shouldn't marry/date non-Asians? Oh, I suppose that isn't racist?

yet as each ethinicity tries to retain its culture, it becomes more open to allow for those who are mixed

Wouldn't trying to retain culture make it less likely to be open to mixedness?

[myself808]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Jun 9 2003, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by myself808@Jun 10 2003, 12:01 PM
And the attitude that Chinese should only date/marry other Chinese is a bit racist don't you think?


How about the attitude that Asians shouldn't marry/date non-Asians? Oh, I suppose that isn't racist?



Wouldn't trying to retain culture make it less likely to be open to mixedness?
1: last line of original post:
IMO the only ones who care about distinguishing between different types of Asians are the Asians themselves. At the very least you can tell your grandparents: "Hey at least he/she isn't white" (sorry myself couldn't resist)

2: yes it has the potential to be in conflict, my bad, I should have elaborated a bit:
yet as each ethinicity tries to retain its culture, for example trying keep certain traditions going, having a sense of the history, it becomes more open to allow for those who are mixed, because at some point Cindy Liu is going to marry Jon Soong, and although Mr ans Mrs Liu don't like it, they realize that americanzation is forcing acceptance.

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by myself808@Jun 11 2003, 10:36 AM
Originally posted by BeTheReds@Jun 9 2003, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by myself808@Jun 10 2003, 12:01 PM
And the attitude that Chinese should only date/marry other Chinese is a bit racist don't you think?


How about the attitude that Asians shouldn't marry/date non-Asians? Oh, I suppose that isn't racist?



Wouldn't trying to retain culture make it less likely to be open to mixedness?
1: last line of original post:
IMO the only ones who care about distinguishing between different types of Asians are the Asians themselves. At the very least you can tell your grandparents: "Hey at least he/she isn't white" (sorry myself couldn't resist)

2: yes it has the potential to be in conflict, my bad, I should have elaborated a bit:
yet as each ethinicity tries to retain its culture, for example trying keep certain traditions going, having a sense of the history, it becomes more open to allow for those who are mixed, because at some point Cindy Liu is going to marry Jon Soong, and although Mr ans Mrs Liu don't like it, they realize that americanzation is forcing acceptance.
#1 You still didn't answer.

#2 So basically what you meant to say is as Asians are removed further and further from their respective cultures, they are more likely to date and marry with each other.

The day that pan-ethnic Asian-Americans outnumbers "pure" Asian-Americans is the day that a solid Asian-American community will actually exist. Until that day...

[MellowDrama]

And what will this pan-ethnic identity be? I think that was what I was trying to get at. (I frankly have no idea. :blink: )

Myself808, what is the situation in Hawaii? Are there more mixed Asians than non-mixed?

[contra_diction]

i haven't met anyone like that. i'm kor-am, about to be engaged (!) to a mexican-italian-filipina. how's that gonna work out?

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by contra_diction@Jun 26 2003, 05:30 PM
i haven't met anyone like that. i'm kor-am, about to be engaged (!) to a mexican-italian-filipina. how's that gonna work out?
that means your children will be unique! best of both... err... many worlds!

hehheh just playing. :)
you know i love the hapa chicks.

[AliBabaIncorporated]

other half can be found here, also under Hapas:
http://forums.yellowworld.org/index.php?ac...ST&f=54&t=9588& (http://forums.yellowworld.org/index.php?act=ST&f=54&t=9588&)

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Jul 2 2003, 04:36 PM
other half can be found here, also under Hapas:
http://forums.yellowworld.org/index.php?ac...ST&f=54&t=9588& (http://forums.yellowworld.org/index.php?act=ST&f=54&t=9588&)
oops. you linked it before i moved it. it's no longer under Hello Hapas. i've moved it to Rant. if people think it still belongs in Hello Hapas, i'll move it back. let me know.

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Jul 2 2003, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Jul 2 2003, 04:36 PM
other half can be found here, also under Hapas:
http://forums.yellowworld.org/index.php?ac...ST&f=54&t=9588& (http://forums.yellowworld.org/index.php?act=ST&f=54&t=9588&)
oops. you linked it before i moved it. it's no longer under Hello Hapas. i've moved it to Rant. if people think it still belongs in Hello Hapas, i'll move it back. let me know.
well, only peripherally, in the sense that as long as the Asian-American community makes as the centerpiece of its identity the idea that they are oppressed by white society, hapas are always gonna continue to be excluded unless they fall into line politically.

Yeah, Rant's probably a good place ...

[BeTheReds]

Moving...

To Rant Room???

[ChinaLama]

how about Histories...back in your ball park, SWK. :)

[seanp]

my grandma is half chinese .... if that counts :P


there are a lot of viet/chinese mix because most of the chinese in saigon immigrate to the U.S when the south fail

[teaz0r]

there's a lot of people with mixed Asian ethnic background in my group of friends, come to think of it, i don't think i can recall anyone close that's pure thai, except for my parents' generation.

i'm half thai half singaporean myself, a close friend of mine is half thai half filipina, and all my other friends are half thai half chinese. but most of the people that are half chinese, are like 4th 5th 6th generation... does that still count?

i dunno what my s.o. is . his grandaddy moved from china like 50 years ago or something. his dad was born in thailand and ended up marrying another thai born chinese. so i guess he's like 2nd generation thai born chinese?

yeah we have a lot of thai born chinese people, most of my asian friends here are either thai born chinese, or half chinese.

[MellowDrama]

there's a lot of people with mixed Asian ethnic background in my group of friends, come to think of it, i don't think i can recall anyone close that's pure thai, except for my parents' generation.

i'm half thai half singaporean myself, a close friend of mine is half thai half filipina, and all my other friends are half thai half chinese. but most of the people that are half chinese, are like 4th 5th 6th generation... does that still count?

i dunno what my s.o. is . his grandaddy moved from china like 50 years ago or something. his dad was born in thailand and ended up marrying another thai born chinese. so i guess he's like 2nd generation thai born chinese?

yeah we have a lot of thai born chinese people, most of my asian friends here are either thai born chinese, or half chinese.

very interesting. I didn't know there was that much ethnic mixing in Thailand. SE Asia seems to have a greater history of mixing than the Northern nations. Is this just coincidence or are there cultural reasons behind it?

[SunWuKong]

very interesting. I didn't know there was that much ethnic mixing in Thailand. SE Asia seems to have a greater history of mixing than the Northern nations. Is this just coincidence or are there cultural reasons behind it?

i think most of the "mixing" she mentioned had involved the Chinese.
Thailand historically had a very friendly policy of assimilation for the overseas Chinese that lived in Thailand. some have even been granted royal titles and marriage to royalty. i'd say that Thailand is the southeast Asian country that is the most friendly toward their overseas Chinese people.

[mtso]

I know quite a few panethnic Asians.

My wife's friend (Chinese) has a Japanese husband.
My wife's aunt (Filipino) has a Thai husband.
My close friend (Chinese) has Filipino husband.
High school buddy (Japanese) has a Filipino wife.
Other friend (Chinese) has a Vietnamese wife.

As someone pointed out earlier, at least one person in these relationships is second generation or later.

I believe that a high percentage of the Vietnamese here in America are ethnic Chinese or are part Chinese.

I am mostly Filipino, but my Grandma is Chinese. However, her family had been in the Philippines for three generations and she lost her Chinese culture by then.

[ModernLogic]

Pretty soon, Asian Americans will all become mutts... like White Americans.

[John0101]

Pretty soon, Asian Americans will all become mutts... like White Americans.

I totally agree, I only tell people I'm chinese if they ask (which are other asians), and I call myself Asian American before I call myself Chinese American.

[Mo'Taka]

aren't many asians panethnic anyway? I know that through war and trade there's always been some asian/asian mixes. It's just that they forget it in the long run.