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Dei Wong
11-09-2005, 10:06 AM
I would like to hear what everyone thinks about Rap and Hip Hop in general. I know lately
Rap and Hip Hop have gotten a bad label but with some of the fools out there its not surprising.
Don’t mistake the mainstream crap on televison and the radio fool you into believing shooting people, showing off money, wearing jewelry (bling), and pimping is all Rap and Hip-Hop have to offer. Truth be told that stuff started with west coast gangster rap. Rap and Hip Hop back east wasn’t like that. They do that stuff because it sells most a lot of them who spit it don’t believe it.
There are a lot of idiots out who take the stuff too far. I know people who say “I know black people who say Rap and Hip Hop make all people look bad” . Well I got news for you either you are talk tp a complete Dumb-Ass, A black person who does know what real Rap or Hip Hop is, Or you are lying and just saying your know an African-American so you can dis the art. Believe it or not that crazy stuff you see on mainstream entertainment Suburban America 65% to 75% of that stuff most of you won’t believe but that stuff out there is 1.5 billion a year industry be corporations have their hands in it. Dude think about with all the complaining going about it don’t you think they would try and stifle it. But it is making to much money and that happen to any art or anything for that matter that corporation get their hands in they currupt it. Those guys are doing the art that way cause it sell is right does it excuse it no but don’t confuse it with real Rap or Hip Hop.


A form of popular music developed especially in African-American urban communities and characterized by spoken or chanted rhyming lyrics with a syncopated, repetitive rhythmic accompaniment.

Our Living Language The culture of hip-hop has been the source of dozens of words and expressions in American English, of which rap is one of the most familiar. The word is probably a development ultimately of rap meaning “to hit.” It shows up in the early 1900s in the extended meaning “to express orally,” as used by so notable a figure as Winston Churchill in 1933. Over the next few decades it came to mean “to discuss or debate informally,” a meaning that was well established in the African-American community by the late 1960s. A decade later the word was applied to an evolving style of music characterized by, among other things, beat-driven rhymes of an often improvisatory nature. The slang that is integral to the lyrics of rap continues to be a source of borrowings into colloquial American English; recent examples include chill, meaning “to calm down,” and dis, meaning “to show disrespect to.” These are but the latest examples in a long series of such borrowings from Black English stretching back a century or more, many of them directly from popular music lyrics or from musicians' lingo.

Hip-Hop has influence american society in a big way from how we talk “Lays get your smile on” to fashion designers styles many brand name stated that some of their most popular and mainstream style come from Hip-Hop and this all over the world as early as the early 90’s. Hip-Hop has also drove African American and urban entertainer to reach out to help their thirst for expression and help evolve a their art borrowing from Capoeira and Kung Fu ( from their love of Hong Kong martial arts films of the 70’s and creating a new form called Breakdancing. Hip-Hop should be seen as a culture that bring any and everyone togther to express their creativity in a inovative way.

Here song I like people don’t do it as much now just talk about blowing away in east it still got some great MC that under that blanket of mainstream rap their can’t be hear or well known rap artist force the bend with the industry and stuff they rather not.

It ain't hard to tell, I excel, then prevail
The mic is contacted, I attract clientele
My mic check is life or death, breathin a sniper's breath
I exhale the yellow smoke of buddha through righteous steps
Deep like The Shinin', sparkle like a diamond
Sneak a uzi on the island in my army jacket linin
Hit the Earth like a comet, invasion
Nas is like the Afrocentric Asian, half-man, half-amazin
Cause in my physical, I can express throuh song
Delete stress like Motrin, then extend strong
I drank Moet with Medusa, give her shotguns in hell
From the spliff that I lift and inhale, it ain't hard to tell

The buddha monk's in your trunk, turn the bass up
Nas, stories by Aesop, place your loot up, parties I shoot up
Nas, I analyze, drop a jew-el
Inhale from the L, school a fool well, you feel it like braille
It ain't hard to tell, I kick the skill like Shaquille holds a pill
Vocabulary spills I'm Ill
plus Matic, I freak beats slam it like Iron Shiek
Jam like a tech with correct techniques
So analyze me, surprise me, but can't magmatize me
Scannin while you're plannin ways to sabatoge me
I leave em froze like her-on in your nose
Nas'll rock well, it ain't hard to tell

This rhythmatic explosion, is what your frame of mind has chosen
I'll leave your brain stimulated, niggaz is frozen
Speak with criminal slang, begin like a violin
End like Leviathan, it's deep well let me try again
Wisdom be leakin out my grapefruit troop
I dominate break loops, givin mics men-e-straul cycles
Street's disciple, I rock beats that's mega trifle
And groovy but smoother than moves by Villanova
You're still a soldier, I'm like Sly Stallone in Cobra
Packin like a rasta in the weed spot
Vocals'll squeeze glocks, MC's eavesdropT
Though they need not to sneak
My poetry's deep, I never fell
Nas's raps should be locked in a cell
It ain't hard to tell


Just to let you know everything he said is a Metaphor and should not taken just as it is read
Just meant to paint you a picture he is another.

Microphone checka, swingin sword lecture
closin down the sectar supreme neck protector
Bet I won em kid Mr. Metha warmin pot
about to blow his lid from the pressure, too hot for TV
but cheesy, Too many wanna be hard be easy, is all in together
going all not together it don't take much to please me
Still homes are never satisfy like the stones
we don't condome bitin in the sellin crossbones
protectin what am writin don't clash with the Titan
who blast with a liscence to kill rap presitence
C'mon, in the zone with ya nigga from the Group Home
TICAL!!(Fuck your lifestyle!!) (Blew wind)...put your lights out
got the shit the crackin got you fienin with your pipes out
time for some action, surfin the avenue
mad at you, where I used to battle crews
back when Antoinette had that attitude
Cover me I'm going in, walls closin in
got us bustin off these pistols
my niggas got issues...again, same song
armed with the mega bomb
Blow you out the frame and I'm gone.

[Verse Two: Redman]

I was going to Buck-we-romes, cellular phones
Doc-Meth back in the flesh, blood and bone
don't condone Spent bank loans and homegrown
suckers break like Turbo
in no zone, when I, grab the broom
moon-walk platoon hawk my goons spark
leave you in a blue lagoon lost (true)
three nines and a glove with masu di die in the car
right behind on the boss
Haters don't touch, weigh us both up
now my neighbor doped up
got the cable hooked up. All channels
lift my shirt all Mammal
you ship off keys and we ship Grand Pianos.
sawed of shotgun
hand on the pump, sippin on a forty
puffin on a blunt
bust my gun and Red and Meth gettin jumped
La la la la, la la la laaaaa

yeah c'mon, Red and Meth gettin jumped
La la la la, la la la laaaaaa

See these guys are just having fun and painting a picture.
So what do you guy think?

Hiroshi2
11-09-2005, 01:38 PM
Yeah, a couple of classics right there.


I'm getting tired of Atlanta rap. Not all of it - the Dungeon Family (OutKast, Goodie Mob, Killa Mike, etc) are some of the best ever, period. But my roommate's from Atlanta, and he listen to a lot of underground ATL shit that's.................................I'm telling you, i'm from down here and I've heard some crazy shit, but the stuff he listens to, you would not believe how garbage these folks are. You would not believe how wack these folks raps are. I mean, anybody can grab a mic and cut a track nowadays. ANY-fuckinbody.....................

hooligan
11-09-2005, 02:37 PM
Except for me, and that makes me sad.

I like hip hop. What else is there to say?

Dei Wong
11-09-2005, 02:51 PM
Yeah, a couple of classics right there.


I'm getting tired of Atlanta rap. Not all of it - the Dungeon Family (OutKast, Goodie Mob, Killa Mike, etc) are some of the best ever, period. But my roommate's from Atlanta, and he listen to a lot of underground ATL shit that's.................................I'm telling you, i'm from down here and I've heard some crazy shit, but the stuff he listens to, you would not believe how garbage these folks are. You would not believe how wack these folks raps are. I mean, anybody can grab a mic and cut a track nowadays. ANY-fuckinbody.....................

I agree! Some of the guys down there are trying too hard to stick with a style that not working. They really don't try to experiment and try new things.

Hiroshi2
11-09-2005, 04:39 PM
It's not even that deep. They just get on the mic, say dumb shit that's not art or music, just dumb shit.



Like he has this one song on his computer with a cheap ass, badly sychornized beat where the chorus goes "I wanna fuck you, I wanna fuck you" and then the rest of the song's not that much more imaginative other than "I wanna fuck you". I don't even think it rhymed for real.

Flow to Live
11-09-2005, 05:45 PM
but saying dumb shit is where the money is at.

Dei Wong
11-10-2005, 07:15 AM
Thats true.

Shogun Empress
11-14-2005, 05:36 PM
Dei Wong you's a window shopper
Mad at me, I think I know why
Hiroshi2 you's a window shopper
In the jewelery store, looking at shit you can't buy
hooligan you's a window shopper
In the dealership, trying to get a test-drive
Flow to Live you's a window shopper
Mad as fuck when you see me ride by

http://www.hvrsd.k12.nj.us/Timberlane/students/soberkofler/images/50.jpg

Leinad
11-15-2005, 08:34 PM
I love it... can't wait for Fort Minor to be out in stores in NZ

thaite
11-15-2005, 10:34 PM
I heard a recent interview with Spike Lee and I really like and agreed with what he said, and that was about how rap had gotten it's start on the streets as early as the 50s as commentary about the state of people's and their daily condition. But in the last 15 years it has since transitioned into gangbangin, drugs and bitches and hos -- yet more commentary about the state of their lives, to the last five or 10 years where it has devolved into out and out bragging about nothing worthwhile, cars, money, etc. Not to say that there isn't any good rap being made, but that's not what's getting played.

Hiroshi2
11-16-2005, 11:40 AM
That window shopper is the shit, lol.



No seriously I don't care for 50. That first album was fire, but now.....................he's straight commerical.


But I'll listen to 50 before I listen to Jeezy........................



Speaking of which, has anybody heard the controversy about his "snowman" shirts (go to any hood and you'll see a bunch of dudes wearing shirts with mean-mugging snowmen). Obviously, when Jeezy calls himself the snowman he's talking about a different kind of snow, and a lot of people didn't like the idea of Jeezy screwing up kids' image of Christmas and snowmen with Jeezy's "snowman".......................first the controversy about the posters for the 50 Cent movie "Get Rich or Die Tryin", now this about Jeezy.................seems to be a real backlash against gangsta rap nowadays. And then the thing about is, today's gangsta rap ain't nothin compared to the shit folks was spittin back in the 90s (2pac, etc)........................maybe after last year with all of the "softer" rap artists putting out hits.................Kanye, Lil Flip, etc. not to mention the fact that for the first time in a long time, R&B artists like Usher and Alicia Keys have sold a lot more records and enjoyed a lot more popularity than any rap artist......................and even Murder Ma$e has gone "soft", that the black community, or at least people who buy black music, are simply tired of hardcore rap. It's interesting to see cause there was a time when the only thing you heard was hard shit. I grew up on Dr. Dre, Snoop, 2pac ("Hail Mary!"), Three 6 Mafia, 8 Ball, DMX, etc................................their hits were some of the first songs I ever remember hearing in my life. I felt like I could relate to "Gangsta's Paradise" when I was fuckin nine or ten years old ("been spending most of my life/livin in a gangsta's paradise"). And now in 2005, it's like people have had enough of that shit. Very interesting to me.

hooligan
11-16-2005, 01:26 PM
I heard a recent interview with Spike Lee and I really like and agreed with what he said, and that was about how rap had gotten it's start on the streets as early as the 50s as commentary about the state of people's and their daily condition. But in the last 15 years it has since transitioned into gangbangin, drugs and bitches and hos -- yet more commentary about the state of their lives, to the last five or 10 years where it has devolved into out and out bragging about nothing worthwhile, cars, money, etc. Not to say that there isn't any good rap being made, but that's not what's getting played.

Agreed.

Has anyone heard that Michael Jordan owns Good Records? The one that sponsors, I think, Kanye West and Common Sense?

Hiroshi2
11-16-2005, 05:14 PM
Michael Jordan once said he hates rap. And this was back in the nineties when most of the classic rap albums came out.

Shogun Empress
11-16-2005, 07:34 PM
Michael Jordan once said he hates rap. And this was back in the nineties when most of the classic rap albums came out.He likes the Quad City DJ's.

*watches Space Jam*

A few tracks to check out from Japanese crew The Teriyaki Boyz - 'You Know What Time It Is' (http://www.spinemagazine.com/music/november/teriyakiboyz/youknowwhattimeitis.mp3) produced by DJ Premier and 'Baggy Pants' (http://www.spinemagazine.com/music/november/teriyakiboyz/baggypants.mp3) produced by Just Blaze, both taken from their new album 'Beef Or Chicken' (which also features production from The Neptunes, DJ Shadow, Mark Ronson and Dan the Automator) out 26th November on Def Jam.

Source: http://www.spinemagazine.com[/QUOTE]

Dei Wong
11-17-2005, 12:21 PM
Michael Jordan once said he hates rap. And this was back in the nineties when most of the classic rap albums came out.

You have no idea what you are TALKING ABOUT. You don't know anything about Rap or Hip-Hop do? Can I call it or what didn't I say someone would mention a black person so they can diss the art form.
Dude the 90's is when all this crazy gangsta rap shit came out. Like I said that is just for mainstream it sells and whole lot. Gangsta Rap is what MJ hates. That stuff isn't classic rap. Rap has been out long before the 90's. If you don't like it then say so why try hide behide a comment (which you got wrong) by a famous person.

Shogun Empress
11-17-2005, 03:48 PM
Kool G Rap and others was doing hardcore gangsta rap long before N.W.A. hit the scene.

Hiroshi2
11-17-2005, 10:24 PM
You have no idea what you are TALKING ABOUT. You don't know anything about Rap or Hip-Hop do? Can I call it or what didn't I say someone would mention a black person so they can diss the art form.
Dude the 90's is when all this crazy gangsta rap shit came out. Like I said that is just for mainstream it sells and whole lot. Gangsta Rap is what MJ hates. That stuff isn't classic rap. Rap has been out long before the 90's. If you don't like it then say so why try hide behide a comment (which you got wrong) by a famous person.



Rap's heyday wasn't in the eighties IMO.


I know gangsta rap remains controversal even today. But the reason the 2pac, the Biggies, the Ice Cubes, etc. etc. are considered "classics" is because even though they may in some way, shape, or form, put the wrong idea into kids' minds....................you gotta look at it from an adult perspective.........................their albums reflected an honest (for better or for worse) portrayal of urban life, at a time when America in general had a lot more violent crime (about twice as much) as it does today....................basically if you wanna see how the "reaganomics" era (stock market crash of '87, etc) affected poor urban blacks, listen to one of those rap albums.................the LL Cool J, Kool Moe Dee, and all that shit...................that was cool, but the gangsta rap was more serious, because for a lot of people, life got more serious.


If you think eighties rap was better than nineties rap, cool, fine, whatever. In the article I read, it said "Michael Jordan hates rap". It didn't make any distinction, and the article was written in 1996, when most of the shit you heard on the radio was gangsta shit, but still. The point is.........................all I could go by what was the article said.

And btw I know Ice-T and all these other cats were doing gangsta rap back in the late 80s (Ice-T's first album was in 1987, I believe)...................but I'm talking about when the shit got mainstream.....................like when I was little, they had Snoop Dogg and Coolio on fuckin Nickolodeon................you know, the "network just for kids"? Yeah. This was mid-90s-ish. Rap wasn't THAT mainstream in the 80s, not to the degree it was like 10 years ago.

Faithless
11-19-2005, 12:46 AM
To each his own, when it comes to rap.

Seems like every genre has its audience and fan base.

I like it when rap is used as political or social commentary. What's happening in France makes for some highly interesting social commentary. And apparently that's the way it's been, even prior to the riots -- even warning about the riots inevitability.

RPT-Rappers voice frustrations of France's angry youth (http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L16517433.htm)

18 Nov 2005 10:41:30 GMT * Source: Reuters * By Kerstin Gehmlich

PARIS, Nov 18 (Reuters) - Politicians caught on the hop by France's worst urban unrest in almost 40 years might have been better prepared it they had listened to some rap music.

French rap singers for years predicted violence would erupt in run-down suburbs and have a lot of influence on youngsters who see them as little less than the voice of truth.

The rap singers are now urging politicians to pay more attention to them and their music.

Rapper Rost, who grew up in a poor part of Paris, has been singing for years about the frustrations of unemployed youngsters with few opportunities which were widely seen as factors behind three weeks of unrest in poor neighbourhoods.

"Rap is a cry of anger, a cry for help. Politicians should listen to rappers, and their lyrics," said 29-year-old Rost, who is of Togolese origin.

"These people have nothing. Their brothers are unemployed. Their parents are unemployed. And when they apply for a job, they won't get it because they have the wrong address or the wrong origins."

Rost runs his own record label and has sold 250,000 records. He says rap is the voice of hope for many teenagers.

"Rappers are the real politicians. We see how people suffer and we are the most apt to talk about it because we have lived the same thing," Rost said in an interview in his tiny recording studio in a cellar in the northeast of Paris.

"I grew up with nine people in a 20 sq metre (215 sq foot) room. I used to spend all my time outside, because our place was so crowded. I was too ashamed of bringing anyone home," he said.

Many of his friends took drugs and had trouble with police for thefts.

"If I hadn't had rap, I'm not sure where I would be today," Rost said.

Sociologist Manuel Boucher said many conditions in France were similar to those in the United States, where the hip hop movement began in the 1970s, with African Americans expressing their anger over discrimination through music.

"With hip hop, France had to realise that contrary to what it was thinking, it had a lot in common with U.S. society," Boucher said.

"Hip hop emerged here because we have poor suburbs where many immigrants' children live, who want to make a link between the culture of their parents and the modern, multicultural, multiethnic but unequal society they live in," Boucher said.

He said French authorities had an ambiguous relationship to rappers, explaining that politicians often praised them as successful youths who had managed to overcome society's hurdles but also said some of their songs incited hatred.

The group Sniper, whose members come from a bleak suburb north of Paris, is under investigation for encouraging violence against police. In its song "France", Sniper sings of a "mission to exterminate ministers and fascists."

Azn Retribution
11-19-2005, 04:50 AM
Did all of you love them too when they rapped about shooting and looting korean owned stores? or portrayed killing the most fun stereotypes in about a million gangsta movies?

Political statement fo sho.

Kill da gooks!

Just curious cuz a number of them old school rappers were as racist as the people they claimed to protest against.

When questioned about the nature of the denigrating stereotypes and violent lyrics against APA
they denied any possibility of racism. They tried to rationalize and justify it and to this day I don't believe a single one of them gives a shit or has issued anything along the lines of an apology.

cuz you know. black people could never be racist.

I know all of you were big fans of these particular lyrics.

Every time I want to go get a fucking brew
I gotta go down to the store with the two
Oriental one-penny-counting motherfuckers;
They make a nigger mad enough to cause a little ruckus.
Thinking every brother in the worlds out to take,
So they watch every damn move that I make.
They hope I dont pull out a Gat, try to rob
Their funky little store but, bitch, I got a job.

Gotta love how the old school rap tries to appeal to the insecurity of
how black people think they are perceived.

Despite my criticism. I still like hip-hop and rap as
it is obviously not all composed of racist pieces of shit like Ice Cube

Irezumi Kiss
11-19-2005, 02:00 PM
Despite my criticism. I still like hip-hop and rap as
it is obviously not all composed of racist pieces of shit like Ice Cube
I agree wit' ya. I remember when that "Black Korea" joint came out and he was standing behind the First Amendment when he was catching flak over it.

I can't recall any other artists who are blatantly ragging on Asians specifically like that particular track. Every now and then I might hear a line or two referencing something Chinese-related. Although no group gets it worse in hip-hop than women. The unrelenting and brutal misogyny still trips me out to this day.

Chotto > You ever heard of a French rap group Suprême NTM? They were pretty good and did a lot of political shit. They had this one joint called "Le Fever" where they sampled a Crusaders' horn hook and it was real dope...I wish I could find that track now.

Suprême NTM
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Founded in 1989, Suprême NTM is a controversial French rap group, comprised of rappers Joey Starr and Kool Shen. The group takes its name from the French slang NTM, an abbreviation for "Nique Ta Mère" meaning "Fuck your Mother" or "motherfucker". NTM is known for their hostility towards the police, violent lyrics, and legal battles with the French authorities. Their musical style is hardcore rap with a strong hip hop influence as well as, in the later albums, funk, soul and reggae.
The group is outspokenly critical of racism and class inequality in French society, and while their earlier music is violent, some of their later work is explicitly anti-violent (such as Pose ton Gun: "Put Down your Gun").
In 1998, the group released its last album of original material under the NTM moniker, as both Joey Starr and Kool Shen started their own labels, pushing new bands and branching out in other markets such as clothing.
While officially the band still exists, and its well-known name was used in 2001 to promote a 'duel' album pitting the two label's artists against each other, Kool Shen was quoted in 2004 saying "on a fini avec NTM en 98" ("We were done with NTM in 1998").

deez nuts
11-19-2005, 07:02 PM
i like the beefs between rappers especially when it turns into a stabbing or better yet a bang bang shoot em up murder death kill blood bath. the biggie and tupac east-west coast feud was epic. i hope something comes along that will top that one.

Irezumi Kiss
11-20-2005, 11:16 AM
i like the beefs between rappers especially when it turns into a stabbing or better yet a bang bang shoot em up murder death kill blood bath. the biggie and tupac east-west coast feud was epic. i hope something comes along that will top that one.
I doubt it'll turn into an all-out killing spree, but the feud between 50 Cent/G-Unit camp and The Game/D-Block (Jadakiss, Styles & Sheek Louch) is on like gangbusters. So far it's been strictly magazine disses and verbal attacks in their lyrics, with D-Block making Fiddy and his crew look like little lost children in the wilderness.

deez nuts
11-20-2005, 11:32 AM
I doubt it'll turn into an all-out killing spree, but the feud between 50 Cent/G-Unit camp and The Game/D-Block (Jadakiss, Styles & Sheek Louch) is on like gangbusters. So far it's been strictly magazine disses and verbal attacks in their lyrics, with D-Block making Fiddy and his crew look like little lost children in the wilderness.

i thought they made up and that it was all a show to sell records with the game's debut cd? they're at it again?

the ja rule and 50 cent had the potential to be a great one.

i like 50 cent. i think he's a marketing genius. i even want to play as 50 cent in his new game.

Flow to Live
11-20-2005, 11:46 AM
^^^i think its the media trying to do something like tupac vs biggies again

Azn Retribution
11-20-2005, 11:50 AM
I think Eminem and Benzino's feud was far more entertaining.

Nail in the Coffin was priceless.

deez nuts
11-20-2005, 12:01 PM
i say more bloodshed and less of this "keeping it on wax" bullshit.

lethal
11-20-2005, 12:09 PM
Time to reignite the "feud" to get people to watch the 50 cent movie.

Irezumi Kiss
11-20-2005, 12:12 PM
i thought they made up and that it was all a show to sell records with the game's debut cd? they're at it again?

the ja rule and 50 cent had the potential to be a great one.

i like 50 cent. i think he's a marketing genius. i even want to play as 50 cent in his new game.
Apparently it was all copacetic until 50 made some sort of small swiping comment against Game in some magazine - I think it was FHM or something - and I think there was already a feud between D-Block and Lloyd Banks/Young Buck, so now it's turned into this big shebang. Game has this underground freestyle called "300 Bars & Running," where he does nothing but diss 50 Cent for almost 15 minutes over other people's beats, including 50's. It's classic. They're calling G-Unit "G-Unot."

I think 50's media saturation is hurting him a bit. The movie isn't taking off that well, but I did hear the video game is dope.