Yellowworld.org

[artsfartsyjanet]

Maybe it's just me, but when i say go check out yellowworld.org, my Caucasian coworker thought it was only for "yellow" people. =) How do I tell people that its not about the label but the content that matters.

[ChinaLama]

just point to our lovely white residents. :)

[hormiga]

You just answered your own question--'its not about the label but the content that matters'.

[artsfartsyjanet]

Actually, my intention is to ask all of you out there what you think. That's why I opened up this forum in the first place. Of course, I have an answer to my own question. That's what I tell people when I see them, but what are other reasons out there that you use to tell people who aren't Asian about our site?

[artsfartsyjanet]

Originally posted by ChinaLama@Nov 4 2002, 10:41 PM
just point to our lovely white residents. :)
Ah, I'll just write about yellowworld.org in my university newspaper like I do everything else.

[seryb]

I think telling people of other racial ethnic backgrounds about yellowworld.org would be a good way to show that there is more on Asian/Asian American minds than just studying for class or the 9-5 grind. It might even show that there are relevant and (gasp!) vocal Asian American political voices out there. <_<

[kasia]

Originally posted by artsfartsyjanet@Nov 5 2002, 01:33 PM
Actually, my intention is to ask all of you out there what you think. That's why I opened up this forum in the first place. Of course, I have an answer to my own question. That's what I tell people when I see them, but what are other reasons out there that you use to tell people who aren't Asian about our site?
actually, the site is a place for asian-americans to come and discuss matters. non-asians are welcome, of course, but the site isn't tailored to them.

[tapestrybabe]

Originally posted by kasia@Nov 5 2002, 11:10 AM
actually, the site is a place for asian-americans to come and discuss matters. non-asians are welcome, of course, but the site isn't tailored to them.
right on...
i agree...

[igcognito]

why didn't the title scare me off...? I am far from yellow. Hmm . . . oh well. I am an idiot.

[thaite]

:: looks at his arms ::

I'm kind of reddish-yellow... which I guess would make me orange.

Can I still come here, or do I have to leave now?

:(

[Hanuman]

My roomates joke about this. I leave the forum up some times (I'm on it so much anyway) that when my Caucasian roomate first saw it, he goes "man I didn't know you were like a militant asian". I laughed it off, but I didn't want to explain, so I just gave a swift side kick to the ribs sending him to the floor and freeing my chair up for my yellow ass.

[kimpossible]

Originally posted by buoywonder@Jan 27 2003, 09:28 PM
:: looks at his arms ::

I'm kind of reddish-yellow... which I guess would make me orange.

Can I still come here, or do I have to leave now?

:(
dude... I'm green. unless it's summer time. then i'm brown.

[ism]

Honestly, the name sounds pretty militant. It's akin to something like "Whiteplanet.org" -- brings visions of a world dominated by one race. Many of the topics raised in the forums cannot accept input from non-Asians, in terms of "as an Asian what is your view on this" or "as an Asian what has your experience been." This exclusivity would put a lot of people off. I can only think of a few cases where a non-Asian would participate:

1. They are trolling, trying to cause pointless debates and agitation
2. They honestly want to learn about Asian cultures and offer their point of view
3. They want to hook up with Asians

If you are really intent on getting non-Asians to participate, then offering it as a cultural resource would probably work best. Show the friendliness YW has to offer. Tell them their perspectives would be beneficial. I don't see anyone lasting too long though.

[kasia]

Originally posted by ism@Jan 27 2003, 11:48 PM
Honestly, the name sounds pretty militant. It's akin to something like "Whiteplanet.org" -- brings visions of a world dominated by one race. Many of the topics raised in the forums cannot accept input from non-Asians, in terms of "as an Asian what is your view on this" or "as an Asian what has your experience been." This exclusivity would put a lot of people off. I can only think of a few cases where a non-Asian would participate:

1. They are trolling, trying to cause pointless debates and agitation
2. They honestly want to learn about Asian cultures and offer their point of view
3. They want to hook up with Asians

If you are really intent on getting non-Asians to participate, then offering it as a cultural resource would probably work best. Show the friendliness YW has to offer. Tell them their perspectives would be beneficial. I don't see anyone lasting too long though.
well, there's www.blackplanet.com. i've visited their site on a couple of occasions, haven't been kept out by the name. of course, i always feel like a visitor there, but i don't think there's anything wrong with that.

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by ism@Jan 27 2003, 11:48 PM
I can only think of a few cases where a non-Asian would participate:

1. They are trolling, trying to cause pointless debates and agitation
2. They honestly want to learn about Asian cultures and offer their point of view
3. They want to hook up with Asians

Exactly. Obviously, the site is open to non-Asians, but it's also pretty clear that the site is distinctly for Asians, not just a site about Asians for non-Asians. And, IMHO, that whole theme is implicit in our name.

I think it's important to acknowledge the realities of cyberspace. There are a gazillion more Asians sites out there that cater to non-Asians than the opposite. I remember having this discussion on one Asian forum a couple of years back, and all the Asians were lamenting that there just weren't enough places online where yellow people could discuss things from a yellow perspective, without having to bother with trolls insistent on proving to us that racism doesn't exist.

[achtungbaby]

Oh, and in case anyone's wondering, yes, it's a reference to Yellow Peril:)

[MellowDrama]

The title is RACIST!!

:rolleyes:

[kitty]

Originally posted by MellowDrama@Jan 28 2003, 09:13 AM
The title is RACIST!!

:rolleyes:
:lol:

seriously, i looked at the title more as saying "here is a safe space for Asians, Asian Americans, or even non-Asians, to talk about Asian/Asian American issues"... like "this is my world".

[Napoleon Chynamite]

A lotta my white friends always ask me why I call myself yellow simply b/c my skin is as pale or paler than theirs, so I hafta explain to them that it's a different tint altogether, not just a measurement of lighter or darker skin or whatever. They're always like...'You are not friggin yellow! Look at yourself. I don't know why Asian people call themselves yellow' as if we were the ones who came up with the label (did we??? I dunno).

[kasia]

Originally posted by FrozenPizza@Jan 28 2003, 09:29 AM
A lotta my white friends always ask me why I call myself yellow simply b/c my skin is as pale or paler than theirs, so I hafta explain to them that it's a different tint altogether, not just a measurement of lighter or darker skin or whatever. They're always like...'You are not friggin yellow! Look at yourself. I don't know why Asian people call themselves yellow' as if we were the ones who came up with the label (did we??? I dunno).
the white man.

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Originally posted by kasia@Jan 28 2003, 05:34 PM
the white man.
uh yeah, the white man came up with that label. that definitely explains why the Chinese word "huang zhong ren" (yellow-type people) has a pre-European-contact etymology ...

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Jan 28 2003, 11:34 PM
uh yeah, the white man came up with that label. that definitely explains why the Chinese word "huang zhong ren" (yellow-type people) has a pre-European-contact etymology ...

LOL! I don't know the entymology of that word, but is it possible that it refers to northern chinese based at the area where the yellow river empties into the yellow sea, rather than their skin color? It would be hard to believe that Chinese or Asian people considered themselves Yellow before seeing White people.

As for the topic in question, when I first got here, I thought YW was another site akin to Korealink or Asianavenue where some Asian people just sit and talk about how White people are evil and are the reason for all their problems, and how Asians are superior. You have to stay a while and get to know the people here in order to see what it is really about. I definately don't see myself as a visitor here, tho I find that in many cases I cannot agree with some of the prevalent attitudes or perceptions of some of the people here, but that's what debate is all about.


Some Non-Asians who were to come here, well for a lot of questions or discussions, would find that they have nothing intelligent to say, or that they simply don't know enough about the issue at hand. Others come here because they are in love with Anime and Japan and find that this site is more political than everything else, and they go back to animeturnpike, or whatever site they live in. I seriously doubt anyone goes searching for real asian poon on the net, just porn.

The name is good, but it really drives some people away, because they are under the perception that Yellow is a racist term or something. I honestly can't see why, so I think we need to start a movement to get rid of Asians or Asian-Americans, because Yellow is much more descriptive and succint, while East-Asian Americans is too confusing, and no one likes Oriental because it is a Eurocentric term.

[Erendani]

Hmm, this reminds me of an exchange between a white courtroom judge and Denzel Washington in the movie "Cry Freedom."

"Why do you people call yourselves black? You are more brown than black."

"Why do you people call yourselves white? You are more pink than white."


...So you see, everyone has the color wrong. So be happy :)

[Erendani]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Jan 29 2003, 01:09 AM
when I first got here, I thought YW was another site akin to Korealink or Asianavenue where some Asian people just sit and talk about how White people are evil and are the reason for all their problems, and how Asians are superior.
Is this what these other sites are all about? I hope you are exaggerating...

BeTheReds, as a hapa, do you feel like you get a lot of racism from "full" Asians?

[kasia]

Originally posted by Erendani@Jan 28 2003, 05:25 PM
Is this what these other sites are all about? I hope you are exaggerating...

BeTheReds, as a hapa, do you feel like you get a lot of racism from "full" Asians?
no way. i thought that ppl just went on asian avenue to hook up. they can care less about issues like racism and so on.

[kasia]

Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Jan 28 2003, 03:34 PM
uh yeah, the white man came up with that label. that definitely explains why the Chinese word "huang zhong ren" (yellow-type people) has a pre-European-contact etymology ...
but how can that explain why koreans and japanese were referred to as yellow?

[Erendani]

And does the fact that the term "yellow" means cowardly correlate somehow? I've often wondered about that... images of gunfighters in the wild west saying things like "whatsa matter? you yeller?"

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Jan 28 2003, 08:09 PM

LOL! I don't know the entymology of that word, but is it possible that it refers to northern chinese based at the area where the yellow river empties into the yellow sea, rather than their skin color?
But that begs the question, why is it called the Yellow River? Looked more blue to me in the postcard, and it's probably more greenish-brown from pollution now. Probably has something to do with Huang Di. But that begs the question itself, why isn't he the "Green Emperor" or the "Purple Emperor"?

oh by the way entymology is the study of insects. :P

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Jan 28 2003, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by BeTheReds@Jan 28 2003, 08:09 PM

LOL! I don't know the entymology of that word, but is it possible that it refers to northern chinese based at the area where the yellow river empties into the yellow sea, rather than their skin color?
But that begs the question, why is it called the Yellow River? Looked more blue to me in the postcard, and it's probably more greenish-brown from pollution now. Probably has something to do with Huang Di. But that begs the question itself, why isn't he the "Green Emperor" or the "Purple Emperor"?

oh by the way entymology is the study of insects. :P
the "yellow" in Huang Di, aka Yellow Emperor, as well as Huang He, aka the Yellow River, refers to Huang Tu Di, or yellow earth. the earth (as in the ground, the mud, etc etc, not the planet) is often referred to as having the color yellow. especially when it is rich in nutrients. the Yellow River is given the name "yellow" because it is (or was?) very nutrient rich, and it is also supposedly the birth place of the Chinese people. the Yellow Emperor is given the name "yellow", my best guess is, because he is attribute to being the father, and thus the origin, of the Chinese civilisation. so in those two instances, the color yellow refers to life-giving earth.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Maybe the northern Chinese referred to in BTR's post saw themselves as yellow and then whites, upon hearing of this, automatically associated this term with all Asians out of ignorance or generalization?? I have no idea. Just trying to come to intelligent conclusions via the info I have been given so far from u people..... :huh:

[enygma]

hmm...i didn't think it was a bad name for the site, but then again, i'm asian so i feel relatively comfortable here. i guess i can understand non-asians feeling rather weird and out-of-place visiting this site, though.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by enygma@Jan 28 2003, 10:15 PM
hmm...i didn't think it was a bad name for the site, but then again, i'm asian so i feel relatively comfortable here. i guess i can understand non-asians feeling rather weird and out-of-place visiting this site, though.
well... no offense to the members that do not identify with being asian in any sense of the word, but this site was made for asian people, and if they feel unwelcomed here, they can always try sites like Asian Avenue (http://www.asianavenue.com).

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Jan 29 2003, 02:18 AM
Originally posted by BeTheReds@Jan 28 2003, 08:09 PM

LOL! &nbsp;I don't know the entymology of that word, but is it possible that it refers to northern chinese based at the area where the yellow river empties into the yellow sea, rather than their skin color?
But that begs the question, why is it called the Yellow River? Looked more blue to me in the postcard, and it's probably more greenish-brown from pollution now. Probably has something to do with Huang Di. But that begs the question itself, why isn't he the "Green Emperor" or the "Purple Emperor"?

oh by the way entymology is the study of insects. :P
okay antymology then.

If the name is related to royalty, isn't yellow a royal color?

Also i thought the river got the name from yellow dirt in the west.

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by Erendani@Jan 29 2003, 01:25 AM
Is this what these other sites are all about? &nbsp;I hope you are exaggerating...

BeTheReds, as a hapa, do you feel like you get a lot of racism from "full" Asians?
No, but whenever you tried to have any kind of political discussion in there the replies you would get...

"Shut the fuck up you white ass son of a Korean whore muthafuckah watch yo back you know chinese is the mazztah of Asia aZn 4 liFeZ!!!"

As for racism felt from Asians...

I have felt it. But i am intelligent enough to seperate individuals from groups. Anyway there is a wealth of info about that in the hapa forum.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

That's 'AzN Fo LiFe' to you.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Jan 28 2003, 10:28 PM
Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Jan 29 2003, 02:18 AM
Originally posted by BeTheReds@Jan 28 2003, 08:09 PM

LOL! I don't know the entymology of that word, but is it possible that it refers to northern chinese based at the area where the yellow river empties into the yellow sea, rather than their skin color?
But that begs the question, why is it called the Yellow River? Looked more blue to me in the postcard, and it's probably more greenish-brown from pollution now. Probably has something to do with Huang Di. But that begs the question itself, why isn't he the "Green Emperor" or the "Purple Emperor"?

oh by the way entymology is the study of insects. :P
okay antymology then.

If the name is related to royalty, isn't yellow a royal color?

Also i thought the river got the name from yellow dirt in the west.
yeah, yellow dirt, yellow mud, yellow earth.
it is possible that yellow is a royal color because of the Yellow Emperor.

[BaiginLong]

*points to himura-dono*
it ain't all yellow yo
we need to drive out the intruders :P
j/k
really i think that our label here is good and it doesn't seem to be the deterring the wai guo ren so it's all good
I mean really what's in a name
it just helps to distinguish YW and show what it's here for

[tapestrybabe]

*points to Reinhard H (http://forums.yellowworld.org/index.php?s=&act=ST&f=36&t=5047&st=30)*