opteron

[loserbutt]

think it will succeed? if so may start loading up on amd stock

[himura-dono]

it'll definitely succeed. start buying while they're where they are now. if the sutis against intel succeed, i'd buy stock in intel as well, just to make money on their loss cause intel = teh evil after their p4 pos.

[kimpossible]

I can tell you that Intel stock is the lowest it's been in YEARS but I wouldn't count on Intel folding.

[loserbutt]

what about the chances of amd folding? they're really taking a beating right now and are resembling 3dfx more and more

[himura-dono]

amd will stick it out in one form or another. they've still moved up from the numbers they had long ago. besides, they ARE who got intel where they are. but everyone tht's obsessed with clock cycles and not work per cycles is ignorant of the difference in the new chips.

the p4 is like taking a p3, a decent chip, and piping the shit out of it to get more clock cycles (raising the frequency) but doing less work.

while the amd architecture in the athlons and xp's is more centered around work per cycle. thier PR rating system, although supposed to be measured off of their original athlon, it's fairly close to being very accurate in terms of xp vs. p4 clock cycles. however, although the p4 users will say that the p4 overclocks like a mofo, it's not really improving itself that much. what they're achieving is just throttling the chip, which is only raising the cycles, but not in actual work. while the amd chips oc less, they can oc like fire demons too, and their clock cycles whoop the shit out a p4.

amd is good competition, but joe sixpack knows the name of intel, but not really amd. computer enthusiasts and overclockers know and love amd. besides, without amd, those who like the p4 would be paying out the ass even more than they are now.

give me amd or give me death.

current dually status: 2 modified XP1600+ (1.4ghz) running at xp2300+(1.9ghz; pr doesn't exist, but is exact middle between the 2200+ and 2400+). after water cooled peltiers installed, i hope to hit 2400+ and beyond. all from 2 $53 chips. best part of course is the silence. ^_^ no loud fans.

[ren28]

I don't think AMD will fold. They beat out Intel in performance for the first time this year. The Clawhammer will attempt to do this once again at the end of the year. As long as AMD does not make another mistake like the K61, they can only get stronger. Corporate sales are key here. I hope AMD will get 50% of the market share. Then we'd have two strong companies that will battle it out with the end result being a better product for a cheaper price for us consumers. Go AMD! I'm sick of Intel and their anti-competitive practices!

[ren28]

Originally posted by himura-dono@Oct 23 2002, 06:58 AM
^_^ no loud fans.
Cooler Master has been coming out with some good products lately. Their certification with some AMD products really helped their company and therefore their line of products. I have a couple smart fans but have yet to hook them up. I also have the quiet CPU fan on my XP2200 (I got it free!) but it's not copper :(.

[himura-dono]

if i were to go air for actual overclocking, i'd go with thermalright. they keep topping not just everyone else, but themselves. the slk-800 actually has equal performance to water cooling if you can stand a 120 cfm vantec tornado on it, lol.

but i'm happy with my dually, i can hear my hdd's over everything else, lol.

although i'm thinking of doing a psu mod, and maybe drop my case temps a lil. it should drop a good 7-9C. or maybe just swap out the fans, do a little solder and walla, better psu cooling. hmm.... anyway.

the amd user = :nerd:
the p4 user= :retard:

[ren28]

Originally posted by himura-dono@Oct 23 2002, 09:24 AM
if i were to go air for actual overclocking, i'd go with thermalright. they keep topping not just everyone else, but themselves. the slk-800 actually has equal performance to water cooling if you can stand a 120 cfm vantec tornado on it, lol.

but i'm happy with my dually, i can hear my hdd's over everything else, lol.

although i'm thinking of doing a psu mod, and maybe drop my case temps a lil. it should drop a good 7-9C. or maybe just swap out the fans, do a little solder and walla, better psu cooling. hmm.... anyway.

the amd user = :nerd:
the p4 user= :retard:
120cfm for a cpu fan?!? <img src='http://images.mr2faq.com/images/smilies/omg.gif[/img]

I can't hear my WD drives. They have quieted down DRAMATICALLY since the old WD drives. The CPU and case fans are loud.

[ren28]

Oh yeah. The Opteron. I forgot to comment on that. Intel does not seem to have anything up it's sleeve to combat the AMD Opteron, unless news has changed recently. I'm REALLY hoping that the backwards compatibility of the 32-bit OS's will catapult AMD into the corporate environment. After all, who wants a processor that requires a new OS to run? I bought AMD stock before and I'm really thinking about getting more now. It's so cheap (well, it was REALLY cheap at $3.XX last week) that I'd like to take a gamble even at $5.XX.

[himura-dono]

yeah, but you gotta remember i've got a water pump and the heater core of an 82 camaro in my case along with all the other shitz. i've got the pump sitting on a few pieces of sound dampener, and so the only thing making any noise is my hdd. it's barely audible, but i still hear it as it's the only thing that really makes any noise. the 2 intake fans i have to cool my drives are low dba moderate cfm sunon's and my rear exhaust is a quiet panaflo.

dude, if you think that's a lot of force, look for a comair rotron big bastage. i saw a 180mm that did 300+ cfm loud as a mofo and only for the deaf overclocker.

i want more dually power! -_- must have tec cooled. but all that condensation proofing and freeze proofing -_- .... such a hassle.

and i need to build a bleeder chamer to add some more watter wetter. no algae in my tubes and waterblocks damnit. x_X

[ren28]

You have got to be (or that dude you mentioned) the craziest o/c dude I've ever heard of. A 82 Camaro heater core?!? I'd think that would be outside the case but what do I know. I gave up o/c'ing a while back when I started to play games, etc. I'll have to hook up an Automotive fan like an SPAL 2400cfm+ if I ever get into it again. :D j/k. Do you have pictures of your setup?

I use Redline waterwetter in my car. Hmm... try some anti-freeze to keep things nice and clean inside the tubes. :D

[himura-dono]

LMAO! well, as far as dually's go, i'll be the only one i've come across with a watercooled tec (peltier) dually. it's still only on water right now.

no pix as of yet, but when i stop dumping money on my comp, i'll buy a camera, lol.

if i had a neslab chiller that would fucking rock, ^_^ but i think my planned h20 tec sys should be more than enough. i wanna make these xp1600+'s scream. right now they're teasing me cause i'm too lazy to flash my board for 2400+ support. until then i can only go so far, and with just water and limited to 150 fsb at cas2 (mpx chipset isn't set up for high ass fsb yet) i can't push the multi any higer. but once the cpu's are hittin close or under 0 C then i should be able to move a few more steps up. i want mpx2 on a msi board x_X. the iwill sux balls tho, gotta mess with the multi by yankin the water blocks and manually setting a multi through bridge connections. ew. i'd rather have insane cooling and control from bios.

*rambles about shit you probably have no idea about*

[ren28]

More than half of that shit I have no idea about. I got out of o/c right when peltier systems were starting to crop up. I think that's when I bought my games, and my dream mountain bike and started to build it from the spokes up. Oh yeah... that was about the time I got DSL too. :lol:

I'm so out of it these days that I don't even remember what Mhz DDR RAM is required to run what Athlon CPU. I've been too busy working on the computer in my car!! So many toys, so little time.

Btw, I've heard the Epox boards are pretty cheap and are very o/c friendly. My friend did not like it for some reason and returned his. He also tried the brand new Asus offering with the onboard 5.1, gigabit LAN, etc. Oh yeah! That's a P4 board on his other computer. Different topic. It sucked rocks. though. The Promise so-called ATA RAID was trash. It requires serial ATA to work! Serial ATA sounds promising though. Anyway, the P4 sux.

[ren28]

Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Oct 23 2002, 03:09 AM
I can tell you that Intel stock is the lowest it's been in YEARS but I wouldn't count on Intel folding.
Intel will not fold anytime in the near future, nor would I want them to. I only want their market share reduced to less than 50% with AMD taking most of that market share. :D

[kimpossible]

I think the survival of AMD is vital to Intel. They need more competition to come out with better products.

[loserbutt]

you see you guys are speaking as a bunch of fanboys. in my experience amd systems have been really fast but so unstable that right now I am fed up with it all. my current system should be stable as a rock, nforce 415D, radeon 8500, athlon 2100, seagate 80, tbsc, 300w psu. yet right now I cannot play a single 3d game because 10 minutes into it the computer will crash. and also sometimes it will crash while I am playing an mp3! and before win xp, the thing was crashing 5 times a day, even when I was merely websurfing! intel systems never had such problems.

[kimpossible]

True, but as a company Intel *had* really strayed from its core product - processors. Competition might be the shot in the arm they need.

[loserbutt]

processors are so fast now that it doesn't really matter. a 50 buck bargin bin celeron or duron is much more than enough processing power than I use in the general course of a day

[himura-dono]

loser butt,

that sound like it might be power issues. with your system and most amd systems in general, i always reccommend 350w+. very often it's not enough juice running through the system or it causes dips or surges if it's a bargain bin psu. when it comes to bargain bin ones, (which i wouldn't ever use on one of my comps, but will be on Cindy's) i get a higher psu than it should require.

seagate, bleech. i've heard they handle higher fsb without flippin out, but i've yet to have ever had a problem with my WD's. then again, i've heard all the same probs that some people have with seagate, maxtor and wd all happen to the other drives.

amd is hella stable and doesn't have that nasty SNDS like p4's.

[ren28]

My friend owns a computer consulting business and builds custom computers for doctors. Just about all the systems are AMD (90%+). After literally hundreds of systems, there was only one time that the AMD CPU combo with the AMD compatible mobo did not seem to be compatible with a custom application. Unless it was the fault of the person assembling the system or bad parts (like DOA cards, DOA RAM), the AMD computers have never experienced a single case where it reboots and does crazy things. The first time we experimented with the BIOS, we had problems when using the setting for "top performance" instead of using SPD because the RAM could not keep up. That caused the system to reboot.