If I was conservative

[hooligan]

If I were anymore "white" than I am now, I'd be a sellout.

Is there just no way I can make you happy?

Just ranting about the matters of authenticity being APIA.

[SunWuKong]

If I were anymore "white" than I am now, I'd be a sellout.

Is there just no way I can make you happy?

Just ranting about the matters of authenticity being APIA.

no matter how "white" you are, you'd still be Asian American just by your race.

speaking of being conservative (from the title of this thread), can we also talk about whether or not an Asian American has "betrayed" the Asian American community if he is a conservative or he votes Republican?

[hooligan]

no matter how "white" you are, you'd still be Asian American just by your race.

speaking of being conservative (from the title of this thread), can we also talk about whether or not an Asian American has "betrayed" the Asian American community if he is a conservative or he votes Republican?
Sure?

[deez nuts]

speaking of being conservative (from the title of this thread), can we also talk about whether or not an Asian American has "betrayed" the Asian American community if he is a conservative or he votes Republican?

like i said before if we pledge our blind loyalties and adhere solely to either or just because it's the minority thing to do, we're betraying ourselves and the asian american community.

[hooligan]

like i said before if we pledge our blind loyalties and adhere solely to either or just because it's the minority thing to do, we're betraying ourselves and the asian american community.

Trends alone speak for themselves. Conservatives often seem to be against people of color issues regardless of background. Progressives and liberals are much more willing to listen. I'm not advocating against conservatives, but often times we simpley don't want the "people of color" lable because we'd be tied to the African American community and Latino/a community.

Surprisingly, when times get tough, it's often them and other minority groups that come rallying to the APIA community's side.

[deez nuts]

Trends alone speak for themselves. Conservatives often seem to be against people of color issues regardless of background. Progressives and liberals are much more willing to listen. I'm not advocating against conservatives, but often times we simpley don't want the "people of color" lable because we'd be tied to the African American community and Latino/a community.

Surprisingly, when times get tough, it's often them and other minority groups that come rallying to the APIA community's side.

but, on the flip side the liberal/progressive track record hasn't won me over enough to give them my unwaivering loyalty 100% of the time.

therefore until one of the sides win me over, i owe no loyalties to either side and my loyalties can be bought by the highest bidder. theoretically speaking, i, personally, don't see anything wrong with keeping either side on their toes and both of them bringing their "A" game to get my support.

[hooligan]

but, on the flip side the liberal/progressive track record hasn't won me over enough to give them my unwaivering loyalty 100% of the time.

therefore until one of the sides win me over, i owe no loyalties to either side and my loyalties can be bought by the highest bidder. theoretically speaking, i, personally, don't see anything wrong with keeping either side on their toes and both of them bringing their "A" game to get my support.
I totally agree, the liberal/progressive track record does not keep into account the APIA voice. They're probably never going to have your confidence 100% of the time. I think Banana pionted that out a few times in several of his posts. I do commend supporting APIA candidates when they work for the APIA community regardless of their party. Although, you're going to find that most of the APIA candidates/politicians who do work within their community are going to be Democrats.

As a matter of fact, I don't really like the Democrats or the Republicans.

[Tao]

like i said before if we pledge our blind loyalties and adhere solely to either or just because it's the minority thing to do, we're betraying ourselves and the asian american community.

yeah same with me. things like the death penalty, right to bear arms and aa, i'm pretty conservative. however, issues on the enviornment, i'm liberal. so it all depends. no one person is all liberal or all conservative.

so i wouldn't think a person who isn't a die-hard democratic party liberal is a sell out....unless i thought i was a sell out....which i'm not....uhh yeah.

[Yeahman]

speaking of being conservative (from the title of this thread), can we also talk about whether or not an Asian American has "betrayed" the Asian American community if he is a conservative or he votes Republican?
Asian Americans have traditionally been very Republican.
Asian Americans voted overwhelming for Reagan (twice), Bush Sr. (twice), and Dole. Gore was the first Democrat to win the Asian American vote since at least Carter (I don't know the figures for pre-Reagan). 44% of Asian Americans voted for Bush last year. So the tides have turned in favor of the Democrats but only out-of-touch liberals assume that Asian Americans are all Democrats.

[John0101]

Asian Americans have traditionally been very Republican.
Asian Americans voted overwhelming for Reagan (twice), Bush Sr. (twice), and Dole. Gore was the first Democrat to win the Asian American vote since at least Carter (I don't know the figures for pre-Reagan). 44% of Asian Americans voted for Bush last year. So the tides have turned in favor of the Democrats but only out-of-touch liberals assume that Asian Americans are all Democrats.

Asian are generally apathetic especially immigrants and older Asians who cannot understand English. For example: my grandsma is a naturalized citizen but doesn't vote, because she can barely even understand the faint words she hears on TV. There are also many immigrants whose meaning of a "democracy" is totally foreign. If you grew up under a totalitarian government you would learn to question authority just to survive.

Therefore I think there is a sampling size error in your judgement.

[yoMAMA]

Asian Americans have traditionally been very Republican.
Asian Americans voted overwhelming for Reagan (twice), Bush Sr. (twice), and Dole. Gore was the first Democrat to win the Asian American vote since at least Carter (I don't know the figures for pre-Reagan). 44% of Asian Americans voted for Bush last year. So the tides have turned in favor of the Democrats but only out-of-touch liberals assume that Asian Americans are all Democrats.

yeah, i think asian americans only started to turn away from the GOP after the so called fund raising scandal by the clinton/Gore and the subsequent republican anti asian witch hunts.

[deez nuts]

yeah, i think asian americans only started to turn away from the GOP after the so called fund raising scandal by the clinton/Gore and the subsequent republican anti asian witch hunts.


but, a lot of chinese, especially those around my parent's generation that i know of also remembered clinton for 1)the wen ho lee debacle and the subsequent chinese spy debacles and 2)the blowing up of the chinese embassy in belgrade as a "mistake."

as a result, they did not vote for gore.

[Yeahman]

I think it has less to do with any political issue and more to do with the change in demographics. 2nd generation AA's are probably more likely to vote Democrat than their conservative parents. AA's like me voted for the first time in 2000 and it was for Gore.

[hooligan]

Asian Americans have traditionally been very Republican.
Asian Americans voted overwhelming for Reagan (twice), Bush Sr. (twice), and Dole. Gore was the first Democrat to win the Asian American vote since at least Carter (I don't know the figures for pre-Reagan). 44% of Asian Americans voted for Bush last year. So the tides have turned in favor of the Democrats but only out-of-touch liberals assume that Asian Americans are all Democrats.
From what I understand it's been 50-50 for some time now. I don't think presidential elections are enough to base the political scope of the APIA community.

[John0101]

From my personal experience...

Most city-folks are left leaning
asians are mostly city-folks
so most asians are left leaning.

[SunWuKong]

Asian are generally apathetic especially immigrants and older Asians who cannot understand English. For example: my grandsma is a naturalized citizen but doesn't vote, because she can barely even understand the faint words she hears on TV. There are also many immigrants whose meaning of a "democracy" is totally foreign. If you grew up under a totalitarian government you would learn to question authority just to survive.

Therefore I think there is a sampling size error in your judgement.

yeah but at best we can only say that we don't know which side they would vote for. and just in my own opinion, the fact that Republicans are more likely to lower taxes and probably better for small business would probably win a lot of newly naturalised citizens.

and i'm not really so sure that conservatives are generally worse for all minorities. i mean, nearly half of both Latino American and Asian American voters voted for Bush in the last election. you'd have to assume that they're all very uninformed if you think that conservatives are generally better for minorities. that's as patronising as conservatives labeling people as not patriotic if they don't support the Iraq War. it's really a simple matter of difference in opinions.

to be honest, if not for the Iraq War, the Patriot Act, and Bush's stance on gay marriage, i probably would have voted for Bush.

[John0101]

to be honest, if not for the Iraq War, the Patriot Act, and Bush's stance on gay marriage, i probably would have voted for Bush.

thats perfectly fine, you as a citizen of this country is entitled to choose your voter preferences.

Just a side note - Asian American issues are largely ignored in national politics (aside from issues like Affirmative action), because there is such a low voter turnout and because they make up a small voting bloc. Therefore no major issues targets Asian Americans. Isn't this like a catch 22? We don't vote because no issues are central to our cause while we don't vote because of the same reason.

[Banana]

I'm pretty conservative myself and would have voted for Bush if it wasn't for his evil sidekick, Chaney.

[Faithless]

To a degree, I equate conservative to an attitude about life in a useless, butt-in-sky kind of way.

You have your traditional conservatives -- fiscal, governmental. Whatever. I can see their points, some what.

But it is this social conservative that gets me. This ability to tell people what "thall shalt" and be lucky enough, these days, to have government enforce it. It's so wrong, in many ways.

[hooligan]

I believe social conservatism is really a mask for religious moralism, which because of the separation of church and state is called social conservatism.

[Yeahman]

Social conservatives would say that there's nothing wrong with legislating social ideas to better society. They value the quality of society more than personal liberties.

[LaiSteve66]

Social conservatives would say that there's nothing wrong with legislating social ideas to better society. They value the quality of society more than personal liberties.

How would legislating their ideas improve the quality of society?

[Yeahman]

Typo. I meant "social ideals."

[Hiroshi2]

My mother voted for Bush last time and I do believe she's asian, there's no doubt about that.