kung fool and other stereotypes

[sardonic kitten]

In light of the Kung Fool and Abercrombie thing recently, I am curious as to how the stereotypes they're posing are any different than the "got rice" one featuring the slanty-eyed, conical hat wearing, rice eating man. The latter of course being "OK" and even revered in the Asian community - at least as far as I know.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to justify Kung Fool or Abercrombie, but I'm also not a fan of hypocrisy... so please tell me I'm wrong.

[angel nympho]

I thought I posted almost the exact same thing in another thread? Hahaha, s'all good. I agree with you. It's this kinda stuff that just confuses people.

[deez nuts]

I don't even know of a got rice t-shirt, nor have I seen people in NYC wear them. Maybe post a link to where I can see one?

[DaBestSpooner]

Originally posted by sardonic kitten@Oct 18 2002, 03:49 PM
In light of the Kung Fool and Abercrombie thing recently, I am curious as to how the stereotypes they're posing are any different than the "got rice" one featuring the slanty-eyed, conical hat wearing, rice eating man. The latter of course being "OK" and even revered in the Asian community - at least as far as I know.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to justify Kung Fool or Abercrombie, but I'm also not a fan of hypocrisy... so please tell me I'm wrong.
its also called picking and choosing your battles that bring the most exposure, and PR to the Asian American cause.

No one in Asian American activist community will go out and protest A Mag, Yolk, or whatever piece of shit "Asian lifestyle" rag that sold or designed those tshirts.

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by DaBestSpooner@Oct 18 2002, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by sardonic kitten@Oct 18 2002, 03:49 PM
In light of the Kung Fool and Abercrombie thing recently, I am curious as to how the stereotypes they're posing are any different than the "got rice" one featuring the slanty-eyed, conical hat wearing, rice eating man.  The latter of course being "OK" and even revered in the Asian community - at least as far as I know.  

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to justify Kung Fool or Abercrombie, but I'm also not a fan of hypocrisy... so please tell me I'm wrong.
its also called picking and choosing your battles that bring the most exposure, and PR to the Asian American cause.

No one in Asian American activist community will go out and protest A Mag, Yolk, or whatever piece of shit "Asian lifestyle" rag that sold or designed those tshirts.
Once again DBS, breaks it down on the real for ya.

Us NYC cats, we roll tight, pick our fights so others can know the plight. :D

[angel nympho]

I know there was a company called "Fellow Yellow" or "Yellow Fellow" or something like that. I don't think they made much money. They probably don't exist anymore. But yeah, they made T-shirts and sold them online.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by DaBestSpooner@Oct 18 2002, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by sardonic kitten@Oct 18 2002, 03:49 PM
In light of the Kung Fool and Abercrombie thing recently, I am curious as to how the stereotypes they're posing are any different than the "got rice" one featuring the slanty-eyed, conical hat wearing, rice eating man.  The latter of course being "OK" and even revered in the Asian community - at least as far as I know.  

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to justify Kung Fool or Abercrombie, but I'm also not a fan of hypocrisy... so please tell me I'm wrong.
its also called picking and choosing your battles that bring the most exposure, and PR to the Asian American cause.

No one in Asian American activist community will go out and protest A Mag, Yolk, or whatever piece of shit "Asian lifestyle" rag that sold or designed those tshirts.
not to mention that there is a difference between making fun of yourself and your own, and making fun of other people.

if a chinese friend called me a chink in jest, i would probably laugh. if a white friend called me a chink in jest, i probably would not laugh. the difference - my chinese friend had probably been called a chink in true racist manner and been looked down upon for being asian.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 18 2002, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by DaBestSpooner@Oct 18 2002, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by sardonic kitten@Oct 18 2002, 03:49 PM
In light of the Kung Fool and Abercrombie thing recently, I am curious as to how the stereotypes they're posing are any different than the "got rice" one featuring the slanty-eyed, conical hat wearing, rice eating man. The latter of course being "OK" and even revered in the Asian community - at least as far as I know.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to justify Kung Fool or Abercrombie, but I'm also not a fan of hypocrisy... so please tell me I'm wrong.
its also called picking and choosing your battles that bring the most exposure, and PR to the Asian American cause.

No one in Asian American activist community will go out and protest A Mag, Yolk, or whatever piece of shit "Asian lifestyle" rag that sold or designed those tshirts.
not to mention that there is a difference between making fun of yourself and your own, and making fun of other people.

if a chinese friend called me a chink in jest, i would probably laugh. if a white friend called me a chink in jest, i probably would not laugh. the difference - my chinese friend had probably been called a chink in true racist manner and been looked down upon for being asian.
What if a really white-washed Asian called you a chink in jest? What if a Korean called you a chink? What if somebody who's never been looked down on in a truly racist manner called you a chink... but they happened to be Chinese as well?

I see your point, but allowing somebody to say something and condemning somebody for saying the same thing on the basis of race seems like racism to me.



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[thaite]

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Oct 18 2002, 01:55 PM
I don't even know of a got rice t-shirt, nor have I seen people in NYC wear them. Maybe post a link to where I can see one?
right here. (http://www.YOLKshop.com/category.cfm?Category=14)

I have one. It came with my subscription. No "slanty-eyed, conical hat wearing, rice eating man" picture on it. Just a rice pot.



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[deez nuts]

Originally posted by buoywonder@Oct 18 2002, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Oct 18 2002, 01:55 PM
I don't even know of a got rice t-shirt, nor have I seen people in NYC wear them. Maybe post a link to where I can see one?
right here. (http://www.YOLKshop.com/category.cfm?Category=14)

I have one. It came with my subscription. No "slanty-eyed, conical hat wearing, rice eating man" picture on it. Just a rice pot.
Thanks BW, ya closet freak ya.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 18 2002, 05:17 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 18 2002, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by DaBestSpooner@Oct 18 2002, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by sardonic kitten@Oct 18 2002, 03:49 PM
In light of the Kung Fool and Abercrombie thing recently, I am curious as to how the stereotypes they're posing are any different than the "got rice" one featuring the slanty-eyed, conical hat wearing, rice eating man. The latter of course being "OK" and even revered in the Asian community - at least as far as I know.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to justify Kung Fool or Abercrombie, but I'm also not a fan of hypocrisy... so please tell me I'm wrong.
its also called picking and choosing your battles that bring the most exposure, and PR to the Asian American cause.

No one in Asian American activist community will go out and protest A Mag, Yolk, or whatever piece of shit "Asian lifestyle" rag that sold or designed those tshirts.
not to mention that there is a difference between making fun of yourself and your own, and making fun of other people.

if a chinese friend called me a chink in jest, i would probably laugh. if a white friend called me a chink in jest, i probably would not laugh. the difference - my chinese friend had probably been called a chink in true racist manner and been looked down upon for being asian.
What if a really white-washed Asian called you a chink in jest? What if a Korean called you a chink? What if somebody who's never been looked down on in a truly racist manner called you a chink... but they happened to be Chinese as well?

I see your point, but allowing somebody to say something and condemning somebody for saying the same thing on the basis of race seems like racism to me.
if an asian person who has never experienced racism called me a chink in jest, i would probably not find that funny either. it's not just the basis of race, because as you know as well as i do, alot of time race also dictates what life experiences one has gone through.



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[angel nympho]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 18 2002, 10:33 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 18 2002, 05:17 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 18 2002, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by DaBestSpooner@Oct 18 2002, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by sardonic kitten@Oct 18 2002, 03:49 PM
In light of the Kung Fool and Abercrombie thing recently, I am curious as to how the stereotypes they're posing are any different than the "got rice" one featuring the slanty-eyed, conical hat wearing, rice eating man. The latter of course being "OK" and even revered in the Asian community - at least as far as I know.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to justify Kung Fool or Abercrombie, but I'm also not a fan of hypocrisy... so please tell me I'm wrong.
its also called picking and choosing your battles that bring the most exposure, and PR to the Asian American cause.

No one in Asian American activist community will go out and protest A Mag, Yolk, or whatever piece of shit "Asian lifestyle" rag that sold or designed those tshirts.
not to mention that there is a difference between making fun of yourself and your own, and making fun of other people.

if a chinese friend called me a chink in jest, i would probably laugh. if a white friend called me a chink in jest, i probably would not laugh. the difference - my chinese friend had probably been called a chink in true racist manner and been looked down upon for being asian.
What if a really white-washed Asian called you a chink in jest? What if a Korean called you a chink? What if somebody who's never been looked down on in a truly racist manner called you a chink... but they happened to be Chinese as well?

I see your point, but allowing somebody to say something and condemning somebody for saying the same thing on the basis of race seems like racism to me.
if an asian person who has never experienced racism called me a chink in jest, i would probably not find that funny either. it's not just the basis of race, because as you know as well as i do, alot of time race also dictates what life experiences one has gone through.
My idea is, however, that not everybody is aware of this *double standard.* People think that what is okay for one person should be okay for anybody. If you allow one friend to call you a chink in a joking manner, then it communicates to the rest of the world that, as long as it's in a joking manner, they can call you a chink.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 18 2002, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 18 2002, 10:33 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 18 2002, 05:17 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 18 2002, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by DaBestSpooner@Oct 18 2002, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by sardonic kitten@Oct 18 2002, 03:49 PM
In light of the Kung Fool and Abercrombie thing recently, I am curious as to how the stereotypes they're posing are any different than the "got rice" one featuring the slanty-eyed, conical hat wearing, rice eating man. The latter of course being "OK" and even revered in the Asian community - at least as far as I know.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to justify Kung Fool or Abercrombie, but I'm also not a fan of hypocrisy... so please tell me I'm wrong.
its also called picking and choosing your battles that bring the most exposure, and PR to the Asian American cause.

No one in Asian American activist community will go out and protest A Mag, Yolk, or whatever piece of shit "Asian lifestyle" rag that sold or designed those tshirts.
not to mention that there is a difference between making fun of yourself and your own, and making fun of other people.

if a chinese friend called me a chink in jest, i would probably laugh. if a white friend called me a chink in jest, i probably would not laugh. the difference - my chinese friend had probably been called a chink in true racist manner and been looked down upon for being asian.
What if a really white-washed Asian called you a chink in jest? What if a Korean called you a chink? What if somebody who's never been looked down on in a truly racist manner called you a chink... but they happened to be Chinese as well?

I see your point, but allowing somebody to say something and condemning somebody for saying the same thing on the basis of race seems like racism to me.
if an asian person who has never experienced racism called me a chink in jest, i would probably not find that funny either. it's not just the basis of race, because as you know as well as i do, alot of time race also dictates what life experiences one has gone through.
My idea is, however, that not everybody is aware of this *double standard.* People think that what is okay for one person should be okay for anybody. If you allow one friend to call you a chink in a joking manner, then it communicates to the rest of the world that, as long as it's in a joking manner, they can call you a chink.
and that is fine. if an individual's intent is not racist, i would simply tell him that it's not funny, that whatever he did is actually racist, and that he should not do it again.

[kimpossible]

wow, 2 threads? you guys are hardcore. I'm already looking forward to the next holiday that hopefully eclipses all this.

:huh:

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Oct 18 2002, 06:15 PM
wow, 2 threads? you guys are hardcore. I'm already looking forward to the next holiday that hopefully eclipses all this.

:huh:
Yeah it's like they rolled out of the rant room and straight into the whatever.





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[angel nympho]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 18 2002, 11:13 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 18 2002, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 18 2002, 10:33 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 18 2002, 05:17 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 18 2002, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by DaBestSpooner@Oct 18 2002, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by sardonic kitten@Oct 18 2002, 03:49 PM
In light of the Kung Fool and Abercrombie thing recently, I am curious as to how the stereotypes they're posing are any different than the "got rice" one featuring the slanty-eyed, conical hat wearing, rice eating man. The latter of course being "OK" and even revered in the Asian community - at least as far as I know.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to justify Kung Fool or Abercrombie, but I'm also not a fan of hypocrisy... so please tell me I'm wrong.
its also called picking and choosing your battles that bring the most exposure, and PR to the Asian American cause.

No one in Asian American activist community will go out and protest A Mag, Yolk, or whatever piece of shit "Asian lifestyle" rag that sold or designed those tshirts.
not to mention that there is a difference between making fun of yourself and your own, and making fun of other people.

if a chinese friend called me a chink in jest, i would probably laugh. if a white friend called me a chink in jest, i probably would not laugh. the difference - my chinese friend had probably been called a chink in true racist manner and been looked down upon for being asian.
What if a really white-washed Asian called you a chink in jest? What if a Korean called you a chink? What if somebody who's never been looked down on in a truly racist manner called you a chink... but they happened to be Chinese as well?

I see your point, but allowing somebody to say something and condemning somebody for saying the same thing on the basis of race seems like racism to me.
if an asian person who has never experienced racism called me a chink in jest, i would probably not find that funny either. it's not just the basis of race, because as you know as well as i do, alot of time race also dictates what life experiences one has gone through.
My idea is, however, that not everybody is aware of this *double standard.* People think that what is okay for one person should be okay for anybody. If you allow one friend to call you a chink in a joking manner, then it communicates to the rest of the world that, as long as it's in a joking manner, they can call you a chink.
and that is fine. if an individual's intent is not racist, i would simply tell him that it's not funny, that whatever he did is actually racist, and that he should not do it again.
But why is what they do considered RACIST, and the actions of your friend doing the same thing not racist? Even though the intent of both parties is the same?

[ChairmanMah]

i hate being called chink. i thik that's the most direct raist term. I've got into scuffles many atime over this b.s.

[wylin]

i hate being called a candian or korean.

[ChairmanMah]

Originally posted by wylin@Oct 19 2002, 02:43 AM
i hate being called a candian or korean.
i think you should be called what they call people that live where you reside. if you are a canadian citizen, then you should be called canadaian

[Craig]

Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Oct 19 2002, 02:46 AM
Originally posted by wylin@Oct 19 2002, 02:43 AM
i hate being called a candian or korean.
i think you should be called what they call people that live where you reside. if you are a canadian citizen, then you should be called canadaian
I think he lives in the Los Angeles area and is of Taiwanese ancestry. I may be wrong though, that's just the impression I got.

[Arex]

The difference I see is that groups (or individuals) will sometimes embrace certain stereotypes or characterizations or even racially charged terms created by outsiders. Yellowworld is an example of this. Use of the term "nigger" by African Americans is an example of this. If that group or individual adopts the use of that term or stereotype, I personally think it should be fair game for other groups to use as well, so long as it's not done in a derogatory or offensive manner. But you also have to be sensitive to the fact that everything's on a case by case basis. I myself have never called a fellow Chinese person a "chink" nor have I've clowned another Asian for having slanted eyes. As such, I really won't appreciate it much if you refer to me as a chink or make an issue of my slightly more squinty eyes. On the other hand, I acknowledge and celebrate that rice is a staple of my, my family's and my Asian friends' diets so I don't see the whole "Got Rice' thing as much of an issue, even if a caucasian makes a crack about it. But, with respect to this Kung Fool costume, I don't think I've ever met a single Asian who thought that particular slant-eyed, buck-toothed, dumbo-eared caricature was anything but highly insulting and degrading.

Alex



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[ChairmanMah]

ride your beaver and eat it too. moose are too hard to find.

[Reinhard H.]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 18 2002, 10:10 PM
I know there was a company called "Fellow Yellow" or "Yellow Fellow" or something like that. I don't think they made much money. They probably don't exist anymore. But yeah, they made T-shirts and sold them online.
There was also another clothing company run by Chinese Canadians called something like "Chink wares" or so, don't remember exactly.

[igcognito]

Anytime someone uses a racist word. Asks what it means, they watch as they look like this . . . :retard: . Then walk away. It works all the time.



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[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by Arex@Oct 18 2002, 08:32 PM
The difference I see is that groups (or individuals) will sometimes embrace certain stereotypes or characterizations or even racially charged terms created by outsiders. Yellowworld is an example of this. Use of the term "nigger" by African Americans is an example of this. If that group or individual adopts the use of that term or stereotype, I personally think it should be fair game for other groups to use as well, so long as it's not done in a derogatory or offensive manner. But you also have to be sensitive to the fact that everything's on a case by case basis. I myself have never called a fellow Chinese person a "chink" nor have I've clowned another Asian for having slanted eyes. As such, I really won't appreciate it much if you refer to me as a chink or make an issue of my slightly more squinty eyes. On the other hand, I acknowledge and celebrate that rice is a staple of my, my family's and my Asian friends' diets so I don't see the whole "Got Rice' thing as much of an issue, even if a caucasian makes a crack about it. But, with respect to this Kung Fool costume, I don't think I've ever met a single Asian who thought that particular slant-eyed, buck-toothed, dumbo-eared caricature was anything but highly insulting and degrading.

Alex
Thumbs up.