non stereotyped roles

[loserbutt]

who are some asian English speaking actors/muscians/writers who do not take on martial arts/ethnocentric/exotic temptress roles? ie jackie chan, bruce lee, lucy liu don't count because they're in stereotyped roles, or for that matter joy luck club doesn't count or any books by asian females about sex. what I'm looking for is the asian al pacino or robert deniro or vidal. blah

[angel nympho]

Joe and Mike from Linkin Park :) Ohh Joe, how I love you...

Lisa Ling on The View
Ming-Na Wen on ER
Michaela Conlin on MDs
BD Wong on Law and Order: SVU

Umm.. I don't feel like thinking. :(


These are news people....
Virginia Cha, NBC correspondent
Juju Chang, 20/20, World News Tonight w/ Peter Jennings, Good Morning America
Denise Dador of ABC7
Rob Fukuzaki of ABC7 <-- Yum :)
Ted Chen on NBC4
Gordon Tokumatsu on NBC4

[bluecollarjap]

i remember lisa ling from when i was forced to watch channel one at school. her and Serena Altschul on mtv. both were annoying and both picked annoying shows to host. but any asian males out there in entertainment with the presence of pacino or deniro?

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by bluecollarjap@Oct 18 2002, 10:05 PM
i remember lisa ling from when i was forced to watch channel one at school. her and Serena Altschul on mtv. both were annoying and both picked annoying shows to host. but any asian males out there in entertainment with the presence of pacino or deniro?
I'd have to say no. But given the number of Asians in America and the number of whites in America, it's statistically pretty hard to prove that somebody would have the presense of a movie great like Al Pacino... who is like one out of a billion white people in america. I think that kind of presense is really really rare. And it makes sense to me that it is emcompassed by more whites than minorities in America... seeing as how there are more of them. I know you didn't wanna mention martial arts movies, but I think Jet Li's got a pretty good presense. When he steps on screen it's like... a hush goes over the audience.

[deez nuts]

I think for mainstream Asians in US cinema, Chow Yun Fat kinda carries himself in a Pacino'esque way.

[karizma]

>> chow yun fat is almost sexy in some of his roles...too bad he's not too attractive =/

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by karizma@Oct 18 2002, 06:50 PM
>> chow yun fat is almost sexy in some of his roles...too bad he's not too attractive =/
You're the pickiest.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Oct 18 2002, 06:51 PM
Originally posted by karizma@Oct 18 2002, 06:50 PM
>> chow yun fat is almost sexy in some of his roles...too bad he's not too attractive =/
You're the pickiest.
well the dude IS old enough to be her father. hey karizma, you should see him when he was younger.

[karizma]

>> i thought jet li was sexy too and he's not that bad looking for an old guy...though he is a lil short =P...he's got soommmee movves

[kimpossible]

Originally posted by karizma@Oct 18 2002, 04:06 PM
>> i thought jet li was sexy too and he's not that bad looking for an old guy...though he is a lil short =P...he's got soommmee movves
I agree. Though I think it's because he's like all-China champion or some title like that. I heard he knows some pretty obscure styles too. At least that's what my FIL says.

[loserbutt]

chow yun fat? no way, he isn't eloquent enough

so apparently it appears that in the forseeable future of 10 years or more that there will likely be zero asian males in dramatic roles on tv and movie world? what a farce. this makes me want to go into theatre

[ChairmanMah]

i can't think of any. Chow yun yes, but he's not American/Canadian. I don't think there's many real world am/can asians. :(

[wylin]

candian moose hunter mountee warrior!

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by loserbutt@Oct 19 2002, 02:05 AM
chow yun fat? no way, he isn't eloquent enough

so apparently it appears that in the forseeable future of 10 years or more that there will likely be zero asian males in dramatic roles on tv and movie world? what a farce. this makes me want to go into theatre
I wouldn't say that. I listed a few up there. The guy on SVU particularly. I like that show a lot. And I know there's more, I'm just too exhausted to rack my brian right now. One of these days, when I'm watching TV, I'll start compiling a list. I definately think there's a lot more Asians, men and women, in dramatic roles than we give the media credit for.

[Andrew]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 19 2002, 08:18 AM
Originally posted by loserbutt@Oct 19 2002, 02:05 AM
chow yun fat? no way, he isn't eloquent enough

so apparently it appears that in the forseeable future of 10 years or more that there will likely be zero asian males in dramatic roles on tv and movie world? what a farce. this makes me want to go into theatre
I wouldn't say that. I listed a few up there. The guy on SVU particularly. I like that show a lot. And I know there's more, I'm just too exhausted to rack my brian right now. One of these days, when I'm watching TV, I'll start compiling a list. I definately think there's a lot more Asians, men and women, in dramatic roles than we give the media credit for.
One is not "a few." (Linkin Park and local TV news personalities don't count as "dramatic roles.") If the number of Asian American men in dramatic roles on TV came anywhere close to their percentage in the population, you wouldn't have to "rack your brain" to think of more examples. (I assume that was a misspelling. What you do with "your brian" in the privacy of your own dungeon is your own business. :P )

Very conservative estimate: suppose there are 100 weekly series in prime time on the major networks, and suppose each show has 2 male leads. That's 200 male leads. Our 4 percent of that should be 8.

If you stretch the definition of male lead to make B.D. Wong a male lead in SVU (I'd say Christopher Meloni and Richard Belzer account for SVU's 2 slots, and that's even without Ice-T), that should boost the numbers even further.

I look forward to seeing this big list.



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[Green_Circle]

"I look forward to seeing this big list."

I think you may be correct. I don't really see too many serious Asians on the boob tube either. But I only have cable1, I'm sure cable2 would open a whole new world chock full of Asians, no?
:blush:

[Arex]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 19 2002, 01:18 AM
The guy on SVU particularly.
Now I don't watch SVU religiously--I maybe see it once every three weeks or so--but I've never seen B.D. Wong even once.

Alex



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[Andrew]

Originally posted by Green_Circle@Oct 19 2002, 12:16 PM
"I look forward to seeing this big list."

I think you may be correct. I don't really see too many serious Asians on the boob tube either. But I only have cable1, I'm sure cable2 would open a whole new world chock full of Asians, no?
:blush:
Will cable2 provide programming on demand from 50 years of network television archives? That would be cool. We could gather round for an "Amazing Chan and the Chan Clan" marathon.

[Shuriken]

Originally posted by Andrew@Oct 19 2002, 09:00 AM
I look forward to seeing this big list.
http://www.manaa.org/videoguide.html

[loserbutt]

SVU?

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by Andrew@Oct 19 2002, 09:00 AM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 19 2002, 08:18 AM
Originally posted by loserbutt@Oct 19 2002, 02:05 AM
chow yun fat? no way, he isn't eloquent enough

so apparently it appears that in the forseeable future of 10 years or more that there will likely be zero asian males in dramatic roles on tv and movie world? what a farce. this makes me want to go into theatre
I wouldn't say that. I listed a few up there. The guy on SVU particularly. I like that show a lot. And I know there's more, I'm just too exhausted to rack my brian right now. One of these days, when I'm watching TV, I'll start compiling a list. I definately think there's a lot more Asians, men and women, in dramatic roles than we give the media credit for.
One is not "a few." (Linkin Park and local TV news personalities don't count as "dramatic roles.") If the number of Asian American men in dramatic roles on TV came anywhere close to their percentage in the population, you wouldn't have to "rack your brain" to think of more examples. (I assume that was a misspelling. What you do with "your brian" in the privacy of your own dungeon is your own business. :P )

Very conservative estimate: suppose there are 100 weekly series in prime time on the major networks, and suppose each show has 2 male leads. That's 200 male leads. Our 4 percent of that should be 8.

If you stretch the definition of male lead to make B.D. Wong a male lead in SVU (I'd say Christopher Meloni and Richard Belzer account for SVU's 2 slots, and that's even without Ice-T), that should boost the numbers even further.

I look forward to seeing this big list.
I never mentioned anything about leads. Jeeeze, I don't give a shit if they're not lead roles. I think the presense of Asian faces helps (subtly, perhaps, yes) put into viewer's minds that Asians are out there, they are in the same industries we all want to be in. I never said there was a huge list of leads. I said there's enough roles, leads and supporting, in the media, however, to compile a list.



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[luv]

I know I'm reaching a little, but does anyone remember Russell Wong in Rising Sun or Sammo Hung in Martial Law...

but then I just realized you were asking about Asian leads that are not martial artists. Hmmmm...in the future?

Well, I dunno if anyone pays attention, but there are a lot of American Asian Actors/Actresses making careers in Asia (well Hong Kong, at least). If only their talent will be recognized in the US (because their Chinese really sucks in the Chinese films).

[Shuriken]

Originally posted by luv@Oct 26 2002, 03:37 PM
I know I'm reaching a little, but does anyone remember Russell Wong in Rising Sun
Russell Wong wasn't in Rising Sun.

[Arex]

Originally posted by Shuriken@Oct 26 2002, 11:43 AM
Originally posted by luv@Oct 26 2002, 03:37 PM
I know I'm reaching a little, but does anyone remember Russell Wong in Rising Sun
Russell Wong wasn't in Rising Sun.
Yeah, wasn't that Vanishing Son or something?

Alex

[Craig]

Those dudes were only able to come to the USA and get roles due to their prior success in HK. This is especially disconcerting considering Russell Wong (and others) grew up in America. Also, Russell Wong doesn't exactly look that Asian.

[Green_Circle]

OK, maybe this isn't news but I have to conclude that Hollywood is racist to the core!

:angry:

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by Green_Circle@Oct 27 2002, 06:18 PM
OK, maybe this isn't news but I have to conclude that Hollywood is racist to the core!

:angry:
I wouldn't say they're RACIST themselves. I think, however, that they focus their energy on the biggest market in America: White people. That doesn't mean they're RACIST. That means they're money-hungry. I'd probably do the exact same thing in their position. I'm sure they themselves, as individuals, are just normal people.

[Shuriken]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 27 2002, 08:26 PM
I wouldn't say they're RACIST themselves.
Whatever their motives, the powers that be behind Hollywood cater to a racially discriminatory viewer. And the effects of their decisions are certainly racially discriminatory. Everyone needs to look at the best ways to countering these effects. If we keep rationalizing the reasons why Hollywood makes the kind of decisions that it does, hardly any progress at all will be made.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by Shuriken@Oct 27 2002, 10:36 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 27 2002, 08:26 PM
I wouldn't say they're RACIST themselves.
Whatever their motives, the powers that be behind Hollywood cater to a racially discriminatory viewer. And the effects of their decisions are certainly racially discriminatory. Everyone needs to look at the best ways to countering these effects. If we keep rationalizing the reasons why Hollywood makes the kind of decisions that it does, hardly any progress at all will be made.
I think it would be NICE if there were more Asian leads, but I'm trying to be realistic, here. There will never come a day when we dominate mainstream media. I am more concerned about getting rid of discriminatory images or stereotyped roles rather than increasing the NUMBER of Asians in the media. I, personally, am pretty content with the number of Asians in the media. I never watch shows or movies and say "Dammit, I wish they had an Asian person in that show..."

[Green_Circle]

Originally posted by Shuriken@Oct 27 2002, 10:36 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 27 2002, 08:26 PM
I wouldn't say they're RACIST themselves.
Whatever their motives, the powers that be behind Hollywood cater to a racially discriminatory viewer. And the effects of their decisions are certainly racially discriminatory. Everyone needs to look at the best ways to countering these effects. If we keep rationalizing the reasons why Hollywood makes the kind of decisions that it does, hardly any progress at all will be made.
Good points, both you guys. I don't care who, how many and why. I just want something done about these racist caricatures. Even if there are just a few, as long as they're positive and not the usual negative crap. BTW did anyone see that new Madonna video. Well there were Asians in it alright. Were they representin'? They looked so evil and sneaky. Was there a need to show us the same ol' same ol' for the umpteenth time?! I'm really disappointed in Madonna for this one.
:cry:

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by Craig@Oct 27 2002, 10:54 AM
Those dudes were only able to come to the USA and get roles due to their prior success in HK. This is especially disconcerting considering Russell Wong (and others) grew up in America. Also, Russell Wong doesn't exactly look that Asian.
i don't think russell wong acted in HK. however his brother michael wong has been relatively successful there.

[lethal]

There's the minor attorney in Girl's Club as well, Eddie Shin.

[BeTheReds]

Non-Stereotypical Asian male characters

The dude from That 80's show I don't watch it so I dont know anything about him

Ensign Harry Kim from Voyager

The Milf boy from American Pie (Josh Cho or John Choe, I don't exactly remember)
Milf boy was also in Bowfinger as a janitor and in a Chris Rock movie as a soul singer named Phil Kwan who black audiences at the Apollo adored. He's gonna be in a movie soon playing a Vietnamese guy I heard.

Rudy's Japanese friend from the Cosby Show

In the Brady Bunch reunions, Jan and her husband end up adopting a Korean baby.

Man, this is a lot harder than I thought.

How about Pat Morita on Happy Days? Wait, Pat Morita sucks. He was last seen doing that Asian Psychic Network thing.

This might be a little off topic but what did you guys think of "Bruce" in Not another Teen movie (playing a white dude who was trying to be Asian) I thought he was hillarious!



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[angel nympho]

^-- American Pie Asian dood is also on a TV show. Not bad.

And that guy who was in "The Debut" was in a few shows back in the day, too.

[wylin]

Originally posted by lethalweapon@Oct 28 2002, 10:28 PM
There's the minor attorney in Girl's Club as well, Eddie Shin.
he plays the role of male geisha for old white dusty poon

[kimpossible]

Originally posted by Bethereds@Oct 28 2002, 11:36 PM
This might be a little off topic but what did you guys think of "Bruce" in Not another Teen movie (playing a white dude who was trying to be Asian) I thought he was hillarious!
I didn't watch the whole movie because it was too stupid. Which is weird, because I tend to love stupid movies but this one was just too weird and stupid. Think I shut it off after almost chucking my breakfast all over the place when the chick made out with the 80 year old woman. Maybe bun boy will find that hot.

I did see the wannabe Asian white guy in the movie. The only part of that I enjoyed is when the Asian guy gets sick of him and kicks him in the face. That was pretty damn funny.

Overall that movie was just too stupid. I like Scary Movie 2 a lot better.

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Oct 29 2002, 12:41 PM
Think I shut it off after almost chucking my breakfast all over the place when the chick made out with the 80 year old woman. Maybe bun boy will find that hot.


80, too old. Come on I got standards too!

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Oct 29 2002, 05:41 PM

I did see the wannabe Asian white guy in the movie. The only part of that I enjoyed is when the Asian guy gets sick of him and kicks him in the face. That was pretty damn funny.

Overall that movie was just too stupid. I like Scary Movie 2 a lot better.
Well okay I have to admit most of the jokes with this kid were so lame, but my 2 favorite parts of it were the kick in the face, and also in the beginning of the movie where the 2 wiggers say something like

"Man that dawg be thinkin he be all Asian and shit"

"Dawg, that cracker is white caynt he see dat yo?"

His accent and all the references to his deceased grandfather were less than funny.

Some people I knew got offended because the Asian kids kicked him in the face, saying it was stereotypical to have normal Asian dudes who knew martial arts.

But I think that was going overboard.


Scary Movie 1 was good, but I thought 2 blew.