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Faithless
04-14-2005, 07:51 PM
No, not me -- the person who wrote the poem that became the centerpiece of this story: :rolleyes:

Mother upset, believes teacher's lesson will 'spread hate' (http://www.khou.com/news/local/stories/khou050414_gj_poem.1da49d7d3.html)

05:49 PM CDT on Thursday, April 14, 2005

From Carolyn Campbell / 11 New

A mother wants the Spring School District to punish her daughter's high school English teacher. The mother said an assignment was nothing more than an inappropriate lesson in hatred.

The teacher found it on the Internet. From there the poem became part of a high school senior English lesson.

"I hate your generation. I'm going to give you cause to hate mine," Dana Cook read from the poem.

But Cook thinks "I Hate Your Generation" is an inappropriate poem for high school students.

"This document is not poetry. It is a hate letter about adults and parents," said Cook. When she found out her 17-year-old daughter Bethany was studying it, she contacted the school district.

The Spring I.S.D. teacher said part of her goal was to show poetry doesn’t always rhyme. She went on to explain in a letter to Cook, "I believed it was relevant because it was written by a 17-year-old and it expresses some of the feelings that they have. As we discussed it, we talked about the angry tone of the letter and that often people write poetry to express their feelings, both good and bad."

"But there's too much school violence. There's too much, no prayer in school, no God in school. But then their going to pass out trash like this and, you know, spread hate," said Cook.

Dr. Scott Poland is a nationally recognized psychologist and author. He was sought out after the Columbine shootings and most recently in Minnesota after the Red Lake High School shootings.

"It was not explicit. It did not have specific steps, specific violent actions. I would view it as summing up frustrations that children often have with interactions with adults" Dr. Poland explained.

"And when you read through it you don't understand what this has anything to do with poetry," said Bethany Cook, student. "You just kind of wonder, is this what poetry is all about?"

The teacher did apologize to Cook and while the poem was not part of the curriculum, the district said teachers to have leeway to use supplemental materials. A spokesperson said the district did address the parent's concerns teacher who in no way intended to promote hate.

Hiroshi2
04-14-2005, 07:53 PM
Well, I have to admit "hate" is a very strong word that people just kinda throw around too often. Perhaps "I dislike your generation" would've been a better title?

John0101
04-14-2005, 09:32 PM
In what context was the teacher trying to teach the poem by?

If the teacher just wanted to show that poems doesn't rhyme well I think she could of used another poem.

Aside from that I don't think its really a big deal. We can talk about sex in sex ed, read about death/sucided in our english books, etc etc. This isn't really a big deal IMO.

nonamerasian
04-14-2005, 09:59 PM
You can't say something isn't poetry just because it doesn't give you a warm fuzzy feeling.

I don't think it's inappropriate just because it's about hate, either.

We analyzed a poem about the opposite in my school. A piece on a parent dogging her daughter's generation for being lazy and ungrateful of the sacrifices of those before.

There were other heavy stuff like those on death.

I can't remember names off hand, but there was a poem about a soldier describing the feeling of mustard gas slowly killing him. Stuff like that.

A piece on inter-generational conflict is not too heavy for a high school student. A senior, especially.

Faithless
04-14-2005, 11:31 PM
Someone's version of I hate your generation:

http://home.cogeco.ca/~rayser3/hategen.txt

your generation made the mess we're in right now. you used to
always talk about anarchy and free love, and peace in the world
and be yourself. where is your free love now? the world is
full of hatred and there are more wars going on right now than
there ever have been in history. where is your free love? aids
is killing people all over, and teen pregnancies are at an all
time high. when i try to be myself you won't give me a job
because you don't like my hair or you are afraid that everybody
under the age of 20 is a thief or a drug addict. where is your
be yourself now?

i hate your generation. ban the bomb, my ass. there are more
nuclear bombs in the world than there ever have been, and their
destroying the world by accident or because of wars gets more
possible and scarier every day. air that's unbreathable because
of your generation driving their volkswagen campervans all over
creation, and insisting on 1 bmw for every person with a single
driver and no passengers. you buy your kids clothes from roots
and polo and spoil them rotten and you wonder why they don't
respect you. you have forgotten what it is to be young and you
punish us for the thing you wish you still had and can never
have. maybe that's why you hate us, because you're jealous.
well we hate you too. when you retire it'll be us paying your
old age pension and we are going to remember how you treated us
when we were teens, how you stamped on our rights of freedom of
expression, and how boring and banal all your conversations
about your cars and your babies were and we won't pay. i hate
your generation and i am going to give you cause to hate mine.
when the world is going to hell you can eat your bmws and polo
clothes, because we won't pay.

i hate your generation.

written by a 17-year-old boy

hooligan
04-15-2005, 08:26 AM
I like it, yeah, I agree with nonamerasian. Poetry isn't there because you like it. Poetry is there that makes you think and acknowledge something. Usually, does some tricky stuff with language.

SunWuKong
04-15-2005, 08:47 AM
I like it, yeah, I agree with nonamerasian. Poetry isn't there because you like it. Poetry is there that makes you think and acknowledge something. Usually, does some tricky stuff with language.

sure. but the concern here is the message the poem sends. i mean, one can argue that Mein Kampf is a book worth reading to better understand WW2 or Nazi Germany, but that doesn't necessarily mean they should be taught to high school kids.

not that i'm agreeing or disagreeing with the parents who are complaining about the poem, but i can understand their concern.

John0101
04-15-2005, 09:27 AM
sure. but the concern here is the message the poem sends. i mean, one can argue that Mein Kampf is a book worth reading to better understand WW2 or Nazi Germany, but that doesn't necessarily mean they should be taught to high school kids.


Teaching and brainwashing are very two different things.

I think the real question is... was the teacher teaching the students to analyze poety or brainwashing them into believeing a certain message.

hooligan
04-15-2005, 09:28 AM
Teaching and brainwashing are very two different things.

I think the real question is... was the teacher teaching the students to analyze poety or brainwashing them into believeing a certain message.

Yeah, that's what I want to know. Besides, this parents probably has a big, fat W sticker on the back of her SUV.

In fact, with poetry that doesn't rhyme, I just finished Charles Simic's The World Doesn't End. It's some great prose-poetry, I'm still trying to understand a lot of his references.

Are Russian cannibals worse than the English? Of course. The English eat only the feet, the Russians the soul. "The soul is a mirage," I told Anna Alexandrovna, but she went on eating mine anyway.
"Like a superb confit of duck, or like a sparkiling littleneck clam still in its native brine?" I inquired. But she just rubbed her belly and smiled at me from across the table.

deez nuts
04-15-2005, 10:08 AM
overreaction. probably understandable due to the past school shooting incidents i.e. columbine etc etc etc. but, still overreaction, nonetheless. it's just teenage angst voiced in the form of crappy poetry.

i like my hapa poem better.

Hiroshi2
04-15-2005, 10:19 AM
you have forgotten what it is to be young and you
punish us for the thing you wish you still had and can never
have.




That is so true.

Faithless
04-15-2005, 02:54 PM
BTW, I think that the poem I linked is the one being discussed in the news story. I went to the link for the news article then clicked its link to the video segment, and sure enough, a portion of the poem was displayed.

If that is the poem, I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. It reads like a point well taken indictment.